>>135999719 OP here. If you're all wondering where's your misaki at, i got bad news. She's not just gonna knock your door some day and help you out. But she's out there somewhere. You just gotta find her. You never will if you just kill yourself tho.
>>136000624 You realize her entire deal was getting the MC to man up and start taking control of his own life, right? It would be unreasonable to expect to wait until someone else makes you get your shit together. The world is yours, go out and make you life how you want it to be.
>>135999719 I started it. Was kind of prematurely excited because I thought it'd just be some neet shit, but it wasn't. A girl had to come into the picture way to soon, this fucking virgins ideals were wrapped up in impressing a FUCKING GIRL
FUCK THAT, THIS ISN'T WHY I WATCH ANIME, EVERY OTHER SHOW CAN BE ABOUT THAT BUT NOT THIS ONE so I dropped it and give it a bad review when I can. My neet shows should be about neets, not a fake story that's truly about winning a girlfriend.
>>136001718 Wake up earlier, eat healthier, clean your living space, exercise (not necessarily work out but stuff like walking, etc.) find a creative outlet, learn a new skill, practice your current skills, read a book, improve your vocabulary, practice your speech. Anything that will take away your time. Ease into a new way of living.
When you're feeling comfortable with that, take on bigger challenges. Find people with common interests (not anonymous, someone you can actually get to know, near where you live), do volunteer work or a part-time job. You'll definitely meet some people you can get properly acquainted with.
Point is, try to be a productive member of society and more importantly, make yourself feel like you're productive. It will make you feel better and generally more pleasant.
>>136002240 >>136002275 >>136002284 This is a fake meme that has literally zero consequences in real life. Nothing you can say or do will make your point any more correct. Stop being retarded or pretending to be retarded for some meme.
>>136002284 >never really looked much into it, seemed to be that it was just too expensive to handle for the host. what happened was that some fucker on r9k went on a rampage, people keep reposting the archived r9k link where he made his threat, reddit got their hands on it which put strain on the server but then major newsites started linking to it, completely overloading it.
living with chronic anxiety and depression is like being unable to sit still for more than a few minutes, and therefore unable to concentrate on anything that would help take your mind off how awful your life is and the constant thoughts of suicide
>>136002347 We've all been/are there, anon. It's hard to get through by yourself. Most of the time all we need is a good heart-to-heart with someone we love.
Though many of us have no loved ones, someone will eventually show up as long as you keep fighting. It will sometimes feel pointless and unrewarding but it's the way it works. It may take a long time, or it might only feel like a long time. If you are on the brink of escaping, if nothing else can keep you going, just think about how it would be if you found that one person you can rely on. How different things would be then. That will keep you fighting, it did for me.
>>136002233 >Find people with common interests Sure and when they'll get to know you, they will leave you.It's impossible to meet best friend by deus ex machina and other people have their circles closed. I wish i could meet everyone from /a/ and know their story.
>>136002576 What always helped for me was to either really exhaust myself, to a level where I'm spilling sweat everywhere, then take a shower and then focus on something that's indulging and relaxing (but also new and informative!) or something that's, again, productive and informative but not too strenous on the brain or body. Something that makes your brain absorb new information.
The other way is just to take a nap. Sleep it away. You'll wake up either feeling a bit more motivated or feeling just as shitty or more as before.
If those aren't effective, try saving up money. Want something you can't afford at the moment? Save up for it. Ration your supplies. It might sound a bit extreme but it shouldn't be too overboard. Try to cut down those bill prices. Saving up gives you a feeling of purpose to what you're doing. When you finally save up enough, you might even have enough determination to keep on going (and of course continue rationing as well). Save up for something even bigger. That feeling of anticipation and soon-to-be indulgement will leave you hanging sometimes, but, again, it will make you feel like you have something to look forward to and make things a bit less painful.
1. greatest in amount or degree. "they've had the most success" synonyms: nearly all, almost all, the greatest quantity/part/number, the majority, the bulk, the lion's share, the mass, the preponderance "she spends most of her time in London"
>>136003394 Where did she get them from? And yeah, I've saved the PDF which I'll start soon. I'm yet to read the novel, having read the manga and watching the anime.
It's thankfully faded into the background today, but, back in 2006-7, NHK was responsible for a lot of idiots on 4chan thinking that being a hikki was "cool," or that a hikki and a NEET were the same thing, or that you could be a hikki if you went to uni, worked at a part-time job, and did weeb things on the weekend at your house.
Although I realize that a lot of this is just the ignorance and stupidity of entry-level Japanese cartoon enthusiasts, it was still rather annoying.
>>136003472 >most >məʊst yeah yeah i get it. But it makes me curious about what you actually did to try to improve yout life, given that if it wasn't for misaki and yamazaki, satou would've never fixed anything.
>>136002233 People underestimate the power of working out. It helps with stress, depression, mood, etc. This isn't just about being more self-confident, your body at a chemical level will release endorphin after about 20 mins of exercise. In a nutshell Endorphin is a lot like morphine, it will make you feel better and lower pain sensitivity.
Anyways, I know it seems like an insurmountable task but you have to start somewhere. My advice, start small. Do some daily stretching, start cleaning up after yourself, Try exposing yourself to something new (break your routine/cocoon). I also recommend the book called "yoga sutras of pantajali" (its short), or any other good philosophy book
I've been slowly trying to climb out for the past 2 years and I can say I am seeing progress, I'm doing things now that I thought where impossible for me last year.
/a/nons saved me when I was in my own personal hell so I wish the best for you anons, it gets better.
>>136003623 >a lot of idiots on 4chan thinking that being a hikki was "cool," or that a hikki and a NEET were the same thing, or that you could be a hikki if you went to uni, worked at a part-time job, and did weeb things on the weekend at your house.
>>136002739 How do you know they will leave you? If they're someone you don't get along with well, then they'll leave, otherwise why would they? And for me, I had no idea where I would meet peoples off the net so I just started posting on a smaller forum and met someone else who browses /a/ also with no friends trying to find people to talk to, we best friends now after a couple years. Just think of places you'd go if you were really really desperate to meet people and maybe someone similar to you will also be really really desperate and looking in the same place. It does take time and shit though, but it's worth it long-run, at least it's practice socializing without the comfort of anonymity (if you've got anxiety problems like me this is a big one).
Pretty good, but the anime makes Misaki seem more angelic and perfect than the manga where her manipulation and general selfishness is much more prominent. However, I don't like the blogposting that it inspires in threads like these. I'm a hikki wizard but that is not something to talk about on /a/
I really like it because I can relate to Misaki blaming herself for everything in her life, even things that likely weren't her fault, her pessimism and wanting to be surrounded by people more broken than herself
>>136003843 >People underestimate the power of working out. It helps with stress, depression, mood, etc. This isn't just about being more self-confident, your body at a chemical level will release endorphin after about 20 mins of exercise. In a nutshell Endorphin is a lot like morphine, it will make you feel better and lower pain sensitivity. You can also take some vitamin supplements that you can aquire from your friendly neighbourhood sempai.
>>136003623 >NHK was responsible for a lot of idiots on 4chan thinking that being a hikki was "cool". I wouldn't say that the anime is completely responsible for that. At no point being hakki is represented as something cool in the anime or manga. Satou was suffering while being a hikki. But yeah, people can be rather stupid i guess.
>>136001256 Nope your partner in is only perfect until you get to know him/her then you realize is just as shifty as you if not worst and by the time you realize you already have kids that cant wait to get the fuck away from you, or even worst they turn into NEETs too. And you have to chose to either destroy your failure of marriage with a divorce (hurting your kids in the process) or be miserable for the rest of your life.
Do happy married for couples exist? Of course they do but they a minority because those couples are born from the love between two kind, decent human beings not two anons.
>>136004353 It starts off really good, but starts to go down hill in the later volumes. I hated the ending too and much prefer the anime's version. The off-line meeting ending is also different in the manga, hated that as well.
>>136004328 The subs from Osayumi would be the best if they weren't hard subbed. >>136004481 Someone told me that Misaki was a yandere. I tried to explain to him that she just wanted someone to validate her existence and make her feel better about herself, but they didn't get the point.
>>136003126 Not him, but who cares about love? I have depression and decided to read Oyasumi Punpun. It reminded me that I had dreams as a kid and was far happier then. Everything gets corrupted in our world, why would I care about love when it's corrupted?
I mean, maybe it's just me but even if I had some qt girl like Misaki show up and actually help me. I would still be left unsatisfied with a feeling of loss that would eat away at me. I have wasted my life until now, I can never get that back and I would always be left feeling "this isnt right, even if it's good think of how much better it could have been if I tried harder and didnt waste most of my current life".
All love would do would make me regret my actions even more by tempting me but not satisfying me due to my own idea of how much better things would be if I didnt take certain paths.
You know the funny thing? I actually beleive in God and I'm kinda hoping after death he will give me an option to go the atheist route and just vanish. I mean even if you got to an amazing afterlife, wouldnt you still be troubled by your experience here? Alas I cant go thorugh with suicide becuase I would feel guilt due to how it would hurt family/
>>136004977 I dont think there is reincarnation, I have no past memories. This is a huge problem as if I dont remember anything, then how the hell can I learn from my mistakes? The entire system falls apart without past memories.
>>136004728 Chill man, you're being too negative. The world was just a huge mess and then people somehow got created and now kinda tumble through life. I'm actually amazed everything is even remotely holding together.
>>136005082 >you're being too negative No I'm not. Look lets say you are really into sports and you start paying football at age 12 onwards. You go far and it's great. Now think of how much better it would bave been if you started when you were 6 or something.
TIme is something you cant get back. It's gone, wasted. For maximum results you would need to devote yourself to something. If you dont have much to show on here, and are old enough to post. You could say that around 18 years of your life (at least) have been wasted. I could have done so much more, and thats wahat eats away at me inside.
Fuck it, I'm going to quit anime, quit vidya and block this site for a year or so. I have been a neet 5 years, and if I dont find a way out soon I will lose my mind.
>>136005381 >I could have done so much more That's where we disagree. Unless you had seen the future, you'd most likely be the same person making the same choices. It's good that you're trying to change for the better now but don't be hard on yourself. Your choices back then were mostly determined by factors outside your control.
>>136005488 Senpai I mean if you made a huuuuge mistake, such as mass genocide like Hitler did, it'll be recorded in history books so people will learn from his mistake. >"hollocaust wasn't real"
>>136005381 Jesus christ, who gives a fuck about what you did or didn't do. Just try to be happy from now on with what you have. Try to stay positive from now on and i'm sure good things will come out of it. Stop thinking about the past.
>>136005776 >it'll be recorded in history books so people will learn from his mistake. No one ever learns from history. Ever. http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded. Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.
>>136001903 I also didn't like that arc, but I think it's pretty important.
The whole point of the novel/anime is to show how modern Japanese society can make you like MC, and how different people cop with it (phony pyramid schemes, religious sects, videogame or anime addiction, etc.).
It also hits harder outside of Japan, since pyramid bullshit is actually pretty common outside of Japan, unlike some of the other stuff.
>>136005877 Ah fuck, it's not too late I hope. This excessive white guilt/political correctness feels like something leading towards female dominated society. That being said, the recent feminist movement feels like it's dying so thank fuck for that.
>>136005935 >Just try to be happy from now on with what you have >with what you have I know what you mean anon. But unless you committed a crime and are posting from your prison cell right now. You still have your freedom and an uncertain future. So instead of just feeling pity for yourself try to change your life. It's probably not too late.
>>135999719 I tried watching it, because people were like "this is Way Too Close To Home: From Animation", but then I watched it and I was jealous of Satou. Yeah, he was a Hikki, but he had two hot girls pretty much fall into his lap, he's actually pretty attractive, and he lost his virginity at a socially acceptable age to the prettiest girl in school.
I couldn't believe it. This guy is supposed to be the absolute bottom of the barrel and he's still better than me.
>>136004728 The key is to try to not focus on the past. Which is of course impossible to do completely, but I've managed to go from dwelling incessantly on minute details of my highschool behavior to only thinking about them a few times day. You may have wasted life till now but the longer you continue to sit the more you'll think, "christ, why didn't I do something earlier?" later on.
The past already happened, focusing on that is just going to ruin your future and make the past repeat itself. Memory is there not for dwelling on your past mistakes but for learning from them and improving your behavior for the future to live a better life.
>>136006350 He was basically raped by his sempai and was an emotional wreck way before that. All the girls that interact with him only do so because they wanna use him to "solve" their own issues. Everyone but his kohai treated him like shit.
>>136006774 It sounds like he didn't get the moral of the story.
""Let's look forward in life"? Are you an idiot?! We have dreams, so we're okay? We don't have any kind of dreams!
I wondered if I would have to go on living every day, whispering to myself, I can't take it anymore. Is that okay? What do you think? I worried back and forth about this for a little bit; in the end, though, I just signed the contract. "
It's an endurance test, the mental fatigue might not ever fully dissipate
>>136006239 >But unless you committed a crime and are posting from your prison cell right now. You still have your freedom and an uncertain future. So instead of just feeling pity for yourself try to change your life. It's probably not too late. I no longer see the friends I grew up with, the girl I had a crush on since I was a kid (who is now probably a single mom like someone from my class I saw last year) and I probably cant take up certain hobbies due to age (I could have done gymnastics as a kid, I saw all the girls and felt like I would be made fun of so I didnt do it. I could have been fit as fuck, and had great fun).
Yes you have freedom. But oppertunities are now diminshed.
>>136006366 I wish I could forget my life until now anon, I really wish I could. I knoiw what you mean, but again it's hard to see some stupid decision I made that could have taken me on a happier path (I highly doubt growing up is heralded by thoughts of suicide), that path is now gone. While I cant change that, I do still hate myself for the choices that put me where I am. I dont know how to handle regret.
>>136007806 welll she was kind of his motivation to start changing in the beginning. Then it all reverted back and Sato decided to change on his own. Interpret that how you want to but I think the overall message was that only you can ultimately fix your shit while reaching out to others for help will also help you
>>136008061 Well the point of the ending os that there is no happy ending for outcasts and "broken" people. The best they can get is to live.
In the anime Sato get a job (working on the roads), in the novel I think he goes back to college with Misaki, and in the manga (who has a much more bittersweet ending) he goes back to his parents home and try to become a creator.
I haven't read the novel and the manga, just the final chapters and the last pages.
>>136005130 I'm pretty sure the girl's still in high school, studying for college exams? They made life pact at the end, so it's up to your imagination as to how their relationship will evolve as time passes. I think the manga has a more straightforward confession, but kissing in either one.
>>136008162 The anime is way different in tone. Remember when he took pictures outside the school? In the anime it was comedic, in the novel it's pathetica and pitiful, you can see he's having a mental breakdown. The Anime did te eding beter stating being a hiki was itself a luxery, because it required support. But aside from that the anime is better. Oh and I dont remember the start of the anime having him talk about blowing up the NHK because he was delusional.
Fuck I want to get the Japanese version of the novel for practicing my moon, and to read it again.
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