If you value life, don't bother with this show. I don't care who the characters are and I don't care about whether they live or die. The premise is horrible. Some alternate universe where East Germany, is still under Communist rule, the war criminals, the Stasi, are the fascist secret police, and some little blonde teenager wants to defect from the West? What kind of insanity is this? I know the Japanese have a weird fascination with Germany, but this is too much.
I am simply not interested in anything that depicts Nazis, fascist communists, Stasi, or anything related as sympathetic characters. What will we get to see next? Pol Pot depicted as a loving leader of a Democracy? Red China leading the world in freedom and peace through oppression? Maybe a Hitler/Rommel buddy flick?
What poor taste in subject matter.
>conflating Communism with Fascism
Will this meme never end?
>>135989691
>the war criminals, the Stasi, are the fascist secret police
The Stasi were the heros we deserved, anon.
>>135989910
True, communism was a lot more destructive.
>>135989691
Thanks, MAL.
> Red China leading the world in freedom and peace through oppression
Threadly reminder that Red China/Blue China unified front is the best Asian Frontline Power, withstanding BETA onslaught for 30 years, while all other's fall.
>>135989691
I hate how Schwarzesmarken makes the Stasi into a Gestapo clone
>nazis
Holy shit sorry but you dont get to get mad at alternate universe shows if you dont even understand that the nazis are gone and over with when this shit happens you intolerable nigger
We can have processes that have a yield > than the Carnot efficiency.
>>135990046
>any German
>not a nazi
>>135989691
>Butthurt americlap
>>135990008
Fascism was? They wiped out jews, gypsies, disabled people pretty much if you did not meet the image u were killed.
>>135989691
So the anime proves beyond doubt that Beatrix is an irredeemable complete monster right?
>>135990091
>LOLOL IF YOU DONT HAVE BLONDE HAIR AND BLUE EYES YOU WERE SENT TO THE GAS CHAMBER I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I PLAYED THROUGH THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN OF WOLFENSTEIN NEW ORDER
nah ur a cunt.
>I have a huge victim complex and get offended by fiction, please ban anything that doesn't conform to my narrow ignorant views
kek
>>135990091
Köder Alarm.
>>135990021
>implying Arabs and Jews aren't holding the line the hardest
If not for them humanity would have lost.
How does she know this when she hasn't even bothered to perform a battlefield ATLS assessment primary survey let alone a full medical exam
>>135989691
so many Frodos in the previous thread,
when raw aired I was almost worried
>>135990141
Only blue eyed coupled got marriage licensees. If you didn't you weren't allowed to have children. You were discriminated for not having a Germanic appearance and if you were jewish/gypsie you were killed. Which is what they would have done to the world if they won.
I thought west Germany was best Germany?
>>135989691
>Some alternate universe where East Germany, is still under Communist rule
>1983
1990 was the reunion of germany and the ddr was socialist and not communist
>the war criminals, the Stasi, are the fascist secret police
The Stasi and the Gestapo was nearly the same
>I am simply not interested in anything that depicts Nazis, fascist communists, Stasi, or anything related as sympathetic characters
They don't.
Literally a b8 thread. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
>>135990217
>its 2015 and people still believe this absolute horse shit
pro tip. Jews could not get marriage licenses. Germans could. Hair and eye color not important
>>135990160
True, but the Suez-canal is a pretty narrow front which gives the humans some advantages.
Chinks of Both China and Taiwan contained a considerable amount of Beta from the Original Hive for 30 years through culling maneuvers involving close combat and active defense, since the front that they had to defend was far too big to simply cordon off.
This is why they always relied on those manually deployed seismic sensor-networks to early-detect BETA attacks and flank them with their very maneuverable J-10s and J-8s, before they reach any population centers.
Edge: The Anime
Makes Akame ga Kill look like Dostoyevsky
>>135989691
Hitler come back from Argentina to save the country from the BETA
Would you watch it?
>>135989691
>She was a complex character they said
>She's a cunt because she has to be, not because it's what she wants
>She's not a sociopath
>She has some good qualities to her
Yeah, I'm not getting any of that. She seems cartoonishly evil, almost like a younger, hotter, anime version of pic-related. She looks like the type to cackle as she burns babies in ovens.
Seriously, beyond being really good fap bait, what did you faggots see in her?
>>135990285
its 2016 and this guy still believes /pol/ fake pictures and propaganda pictures
>>135990268
>The Stasi and the Gestapo was nearly the same
Simply not true
Their methods were very different
>>135989691
Nazi-vampire can kill the BETA, discuss
Someone post some MGS memes.
>>135990330
Would watch if it was Hitler saving his country from the Betas currently ruling and ruining it.
>>135990400
lets keep mgs garbage out of these threads
>>135990268
>The Stasi and the Gestapo was nearly the same
Nah. The Gestapo would probably just beat your face in, break some bones, and execute you. What the Stasi did, Zersetzung, was far more subtle and insidious and would reduce you to a depressed wreck without you even knowing they were involved.
>>135990373
The only different was, that the gestapo was more cruel.
>>135990402
too bad hitler get nuked
>>135990359
You should actually look up the laws.
>>135990451
The Gestapo didn't come close to the amount of informants
>>135989691
This thread has done a great job of exposing the /pol/ Naziboo cancer on this board, I hope it continues
>>135989691
>Maybe a Hitler/Rommel buddy flick?
Rommel was an upstanding military commander who plotted to kill Hitler.
>>135990501
They don't needed to have those many
>>135989691
The nips are fucking retarded as hell sometimes
>>135990197
Because pic related.
Why does anything relating to Muv-Luv cause the entire internet to explosively shit itself into a gibbering, retarded mess?
If /m/ wasn't already burned down and beyond saving, I'd dread the threads and the Frodos. They're horrible enough already on /a/.
>your face we are gonna get TSFIA Anime next
>>135990091
Are you trying to make me like the nazis? All those 'people' you listed them killing are terrible sub-humans.
>>135989691
Is this bait?
I think it is.
9/10
>>135990512
>Everyone who wasn't blue-eyed and blonde was killed
>Who are Hitler,Goebbels,etc.
>>135989691
>I am simply not interested in anything that depicts Nazis, fascist communists, Stasi, or anything related as sympathetic characters.
http://www.cartoonforkids.net/schwarzesmarken-episode-1-english-subbed/
>Best watch cartoons for your kids. All cartoons have pedagogic content. Cartoon for kids number one!
>>135990640
She looks in bad shape but I still wouldn't write her off without doing a CABC assessment.
It's crazy that nobody was standing by with a field medical kit ready to rush into the cockpit when they busted it open.
>>135990742
Her guts are hanging out and I genuinely don't think they can move her in that condition. Not that she would survive the trip back to base anyway.
>>135990659
>mfw these get animated
http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_of_the_Artilleries
http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Bake_The_Enemies
Why is she so great?
>>135990742
>>135990650
Because the people who like Muv Luv are retarded or more accurately, autistic. No sane group of people in this day and age would ever look at it as nothing more than an inferior version of SnK with a poor understanding of global politics and military drama, notably their embarrassingly awful handling of PTSD in Alternative.
It's the most overrated /a/ related franchise out there which has barely remained strong solely due to a strong and dedicated fan base, and anytime it tries to branch out beyond that, the series crashes and burns because it lacks depth, has been done much better thousands of times before, and is filled to the brim with god awful writing that make people like Maeda, Nasu, or Butcher look like untouchable gods of writing.
>>135990812
>Burning Sand Grave
>TSFIA Version of the Assault on Yokohama
>Those 3 Chapters about what happened to humanity and the Valkyries after Operation Ouka
I almost teared up one of the guys infiltrating the Hives saw the Emblem of the Valkyries on TSF's flying past them.
>>135990300
Is this from the lns?
>>135990945
http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Tactical_Surface_Fighters_In_Action_%28TSFIA%29
soldier class just chillin underground in sm
>>135990913
>nothing more than an inferior version of SnK
See what I mean? Holy fuck, look at this shit.
>>135990091
I wrote "a lot more" not "as opposed to".
>>135990039
...the Stasi basically WERE a Gestapo clone, only with even more pervasive surveillance
>>135990913
>>135991030
I don't see what you mean? Their both edgy stories about the end of humanity with human politics fucking things up, only Titan isn't brought down by stuff like the shit OP mentions. Why do you think ML is practically dead but Titan is a massive world wide phenomena?
>>135991030
He's right though. The only reason I got into this series is because I heard it was the inspiration for the author of SnK, but this franchise has just been a poor facsimile of it the whole way through.
>>135991300
This isn't an inferior version of SnK, SnK is a superior version of this.
>>135991300
>Why do you think ML is practically dead but Titan is a massive world wide phenomena?
Becouse MLA is an eroge, nobody knows about, and Titans is shitty manga rip-off of it?
>people actually think there are evil people in MuvLuv
Name me a single named character that is Evil in the entirety of the MuvLuv Franchise.
Even Theodor had the best in mind for humanity by forcing them to fuck off off Planet Earth by initiating Alternative V.
>>135989691
It's kinda shitty anyway so I already dropped it
But you got a point
>>135989691
>Makarov
>not misfiring and/or hangfiring
0/10 for realism
>>135991424
Beato.
>>135991300
I'm actually pretty sure the main reason is the name "Muv Luv" is fucking terrible
"Shingeki no Kyojin" or "Attack on Titan" is a name you can say in public without sounding like a retard to anyone around you.
Posting in a bait thread.
Is Muv Luv finally relevant again?
Trilogy adaptation when?
>>135991448
>Beato
>Evil
>>135991424
>Name me a single named character that is Evil in the entirety of the MuvLuv Franchise.
Iris.
>>135991373
Titan was a new series by a new author in an unknown magazine that became a massive hit while MLA was an already popular VN by a company already famous for Kiminozo. Highly successful Eroge will sell better than most manga, which MLA still did at ~60K. It isn't really a huge disadvantage and if anything Titan was much worse off as far as starting points go.
>>135991424
Fucking Beatrix. She's like an AgK villain and gets off on splattering people's blood all over herself.
>>135991424
CIA
>>135991607
>CIA
>Named character
>>135991424
Beatrix is quite literally the most evil ML character to date.
>>135991424
Ketchup kun.
>>135991639
Pretty sure that one goes to Ikaruga in TDA
>Nationale Volksarmee officer
>wearing a cross
THIS IS NOT IN ORDNUNG
>>135991689
We don't know this yet.
>>135991689
Pretty sure your wrong.
>>135991424
>Name me a single named character that is Evil in the entirety of the MuvLuv Franchise.
Walken.
>>135989691
The show takes place in the 70s.
>>135991745
What a shame that she got wrecked by BETA in Alternative.
So why do some people dislike MLU?
>>135991690
she sold her brother for get the right of wearing that cross
>>135991791
Everything pales in comparison to MLA, it's not that people hate MLU, just when compared to something better it's kind of boring and redundant.
>>135991791
Because it goes nowhere. If take MLU + TDA it's pretty great though.
>>135991791
They don't know how to skip redundant text
>>135991753
Fagiri pls go
>>135991680
Beatrix is worse.
>>135991791
I love MLU. Especially it's ending.
Thread needs more best girl.
>>135992110
So why haven't you posted her?
>>135992110
Okay
>>135991791
Because it's just a filler story without any real value except existing to build up for MLA.
>>135992110
>>135992110
>>135992103
Best ending of something from entire franchise
>>135992284
>>135990021
>While all other's fall
There's the COSEAN and Evensk lines too. I'm really curious what the COSEAN line is like, we don't really much from that region.I just want more brown little girls.
>>135992284
Sumika is the best, so adorable.
USA would obliterate the BETA if they attacked today. All with almost no casualties, since we have drones.
>>135992551
Drones get shot down by Laser-class
>>135992535
Whatever's happening on COSEAN line I bet it somehow involves Malays with draft exemptions embezzling military funding to buy property in Australia while Malaysian Chinese and Singaporeans do all the dying.
>>135992551
Drones have really advanced computers. Lazor class would sense them before they are even in firing range.
>>135992551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lMPB5JweXs
>>135992551
Your drones would works only until Hives put Lux-class in production.
>>135992745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEXATrKzt9M
>>135992551
Even North Korean drones probably would have better chance getting near baters, since they aren't filled with hitech parts.
>>135992811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WDmJNVKOZQ
>>135992829
>North Korea
>Drones
They barely have Internet and you think they have the technology of droning?
>>135992811
>>135992855
Man I love these little things
>>135992883
They do, everything to look like a modern country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Air_Force#Unmanned_Aerial_Vehicles
>>135992699
>make a germanium drone
>put Siri on it
>the BETA hail it as their new overlord.
>>135992672
I'm sure it can't be that bad, COSEAN manage to get a testing team to Project PROMINENCE afterall so they're not total fuck up.
>>135992883
It is a type of country to develop weapons instead of other things.
>>135992811
I don't get it.
So what the fuck are the BR's and the entirety of South America even fucking doing?
Almost every Nation had it's moments in MuvLuv yet you never hear about the BR's or South America in general.
>>135992855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e1VzG_qWRE
>>135993037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk
>>135993069
nobody cares about south america
>>135993075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Edo2A_xXc
>>135993069
BRs:Playing football
Rest: pretending they are white and european
>>135992883
Here is picture of "drone" that fell in to South Korea some time ago.
>>135993113
Even African Nations are mentioned to help the war-effort via resource extraction.
>>135993093
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>135993069
Farming and housing refugees.
>>135993069
Petty street crime, dancing, making drugs do not aid in the defeat of beings of extra terrestrial origin which is Adversary of human race.
Have you seen them try to play video games or even speak to Portuguese people? They can't do anything right.
>>135993069
I would assume they're doing the same thing as the US and just produce supplies to sell to the Eurasian forces. Also taking in a bunch of refugees.
>>135992535
>Adorable Retard.jpg
>Retard
>>135993133
Please explain.
Reminder that humanity fought a war with baters on the MOON
>>135991689
There's nothing that paints Ikaruga as evil. Same with Sandek for that matter.
>>135989691
does this shit actually have anything to do with muv luv or do they just congregate in the threads
>>135993272
>does Muvluv Alternative: Schwarzesmarken have anything to do with muvluv?are you retarded?
>>135993272
>MuvLuv Alternative: Schwarzesmarken
>Literally about the fall of Europe
>Does this have anything to do with MuvLuv
Are you retarded?
>>135991424
Beatrix is one of the most evil villains in all of anime, so I don't get where you're getting that there isn't a single named character in ML that can't be called evil.
>>135993206
look at this kid hahahaha
>humanity
>trying to include his shit tier nation
first world countries fought a war on the moon son, not mexico
From ANN's series description
>>In an alternate universe where the fallout of World War II led to a global split that left East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth, the real war is only just beginning!
>>In 1967, the space race resulted in contact with the hostile BETA aliens hiding out on the moon, and their assault on a world too freshly divided turned the earth into a frozen hell!
>>Now specialized squadrons from East Germany, otherwise known as the German Democratic Republic, are dispatched to try and clean up the battlefields with mech-driven heavy artillery, the Robotic Assault Drones, RAD!
>>The 666th squadron, known as the BLACK REAPERS, are the strongest in the corp, but their integrity may be under threat of compromise thanks to infiltration by the evil Stazis, who want to turn the war into a vehicle for East Germany's supremacy.
>>Captain Theodore Ableback, fearful of such an outcome, begrudgingly enlists the help of West German transplant Catia Wallham to turn the tide of this global disaster and save the Earth from the alien threat!
>>135993375
>Black Reapers
what
>>135991545
Caution, hot opinion.
>>135993375
>WAR CRIMES ARE NOT REAL
>>135993375
Is this real?
>>135993375
ayy lmao
>>135993473
It's on ANN's winter 2016 anime preview guide but I'm not linking them.
>>135993375
>>135993473
Yes.
Also:
>I initially approached Schwarzesmarken with trepidation. I've heard mixed reviews of its predecessor, Muv-Luv Alternative (of which Schwarzesmarken serves as a prequel), and its setting in East Germany raised red flags that this could easily be more conservative propaganda masquerading as a military otaku harem show.
>The unit is where the anime takes its name which is the German word for “666.” This sort of “scary” Christian imagery will seem tired to Westerners where every B-level horror film about demon possession has invoked 666 at one point or another. That said, I can't help but associate military units and vague religious icons with Nazism, especially ones shown committing mass executions. Schwarzesmarken is just toeing the line
My autism is going off by why the fuck are they just calling it Schwarzemarken instead of Muv-Luv Alternative: Schwarzemarken? And why are anime casuals treating it as a direct prequel to Total Eclipse?
>>135993564
Triggered by the SS-Totenkopfverbände
>>135993564
>Schwarzesmarken
>the German word for “666.”
????????????????????????????
>>135993564
>I've heard mixed reviews of its predecessor, Muv-Luv Alternative
What?
>>135993564
The Pinko-Commieness this oozes is making me mad and I like it.
>>135993603
>Muv-Luv Alternative
Because it is not "Alternative". It is prequel to all of the other Muv-Luvs.
Tanks > Mechs
>>135993511
I don't see the parts about Robotic Assault Drones, Black Reapers or the fucked up names, but that doesn't make the text less awful.
Also
>Captain Theodor Eberbach
>>135993674
>>135993375
>Catia Wallham
Oh u
>>135993375
>>135993425
>>135993430
>>135993450
>>135993473
>>135993500
>>135993552
Dammit sheeple it's obviously edited.
This is the original. Which is still retarded and wrong, but in an understandable manner.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/preview-guide/2016/winter/schwarzes-marken/.97428
>In an alternate universe where the fallout of World War II led to a global split that left East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth, the real war is only just beginning.
>In 1967, the space race resulted in contact with the hostile BETA aliens hiding out on the moon, and their assault on a world too freshly divided turned the earth into a frozen hell.
>Now specialized squadrons from East Germany, otherwise known as the German Democratic Republic, are dispatched to try and clean up the battlefields with mech-driven heavy artillery.
>The 666th squadron, known as the Schwarzesmarken, are the strongest in the corp, but their integrity may be under threat of compromise thanks to infiltration by the Stasi, who want to turn the war into a vehicle for East Germany's supremacy.
>Captain Theodor Eberbach, fearful of such an outcome, begrudgingly enlists the help of West German transplant Katia Waldheim to turn the tide of this global disaster.
It reads like something written by someone who watched the first episode while stoned.
>>135993665
It is for all intents and purposes MuvLuv Alternative: Schwarzesmarken
>>135993674
Oh no you don't Mister Frodo, we've been over this a thousand times.
>>135993674
>I'm a fuckin homo
typical frodo poster
>>135993665
Its officially titled: MLA Schwarzemarken.
>>135993564
>>135993769
>in an understandable manner.
>>a global split that left East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth,
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>135993769
>entire left and right hemispheres of the earth
>understandable
>>135993665
>>135993769
Doesn't make it less wrong.
>>135993822
Germany won World War 2 but Rommel managed to assassinate Hitler which ended in internal power struggles.
>>135993840
>>135993799
>>135993771
Then the one who wrote that has no idea how timelines work in MuvLuv.
It is prequel to TE, Unlimited and Alternative.
>>135993603
Maybe they want new audience not familiar with the series.
>>135993674
Mechs>Literal shit>Tanks
>>135993900
Nigga...
>>135993840
That's wrong. The Alternative timeline is a split from where Takeru arrives. SM is a prequel to Alt, TE, UL, and even TDA.
>>135993854
No such thing happened in MuvLuv.
>>135993900
>Prequel to Unlimited
Clearly you dont either
>>135993775
Fuck you Sam, have some standards
>>135993908
Its aimed at fans of the series already established by the LNs and VNs or various manga and other side works. TE was aimed at bringing in new blood to the franchise and introducing casual viewers to the series.
Different strokes.
>>135993943
But it's still a prequel to Alternative just as much as it's a prequel to Unlimited, so it's not wrong to say it is.
>>135993926
Reality would disagree
>>135993989
It's not wrong to call it a prequel to Alternative, it's wrong to call it set in the Alternative universe because it comes from before the Alternative timeline even exists.
>>135994042
Fair enough, but >>135993665 makes it sound like it's a prequel to everything but Alternative, which would still be wrong.
>>135993822
It's possible to misinterpret the red/blue map at the beginning of the episode in this way, if you know nothing about the Cold War.
>>135994042
Shut the fuck up and suck on some dick because you are clearly to stupid to engage in timeline talk.
>>135993989
Calling it a prequel is fallacious when its a side-work that can only be considered a prequel to other side stories set after it. Schwarzemarken itself is set AFTER Extra and has no direct connotations with the main trilogy.
Literal hours in Paint.
>>135990670
>They subhuman 'cause I say so lol
>>135989691
I genuinely thought this could be interesting and marked it as green instead of yellow. I was never so wrong in my whole life. Shittiest show of the season.
>>135994109
>arives
Credibility instantly gone.Seriously though hopefully that clears things up for people who don't understand.
>>135994137
According to your retarded logic Total Eclipse is a prequel to Unlimted despite it leading directly into the Alternative timeline up to Operation Ouka.
>>135993674
Yeah, but mechs look cooler.
>>135994187
Im sorry, i cant into engrish
>>135993908
They succeeded in that with me
>>135994208Are you retarded?
>>135994109
TE is set between September and December 2001. Also why not include Adoration/Euro Front, Resurrection, etc...while your at it?
>>135994279
The first episode was shit for Schwarzemarken.
>army
>every girl has ridiculously long hair
>is skinny as fuck
>huge tits
>over 80% of the army are girl
Will we ever get an anime where the army isn't made out of playboy models and actually has some real named soldiers?
>>135994282
Are you? You don't understand the flaw of your retarded timeline because Total Eclipse is completely Alternative because the events leading up to Total Eclipse lead up Alternative and have no chance diverging into Unlimited.
The same will happen with Schwarzesmarken.
>>135993968
But I do have standards Mister Frodo, I just don't start nitpicking every little thing when I watch a work of Fiction.
>>135994362
>I have no idea about why most of the cast in Muv-Luv shows are females but listen to me harp on as a dumb faggot
>>135994362
Jormungand.
>>135994375
That is because TE happens at the same time as Takeru creates the divergence into Alternative.
SM cannot have such a thing, because it is way into the past.
>>135994362
SJW shit go away.
>>135994379
The Shire must be a great realm Master Gamgee, where Gardeners are held in high honor.
>>135994483
But, the SJW actually believe female soldiers would be like the MuvLuv cast and not basically man-woman. Also SJW would hardly ask for less women.
/v/ please go.
>>135994379
These aren't just nitpicks, Sam. These are the very foundations of this setting, and need to be addressed
>>135994447
Explain.
Why are weak long haired girls the majority of the army?
Why does the army have no discipline at all?
>>135994478
No it does not, TE starts right before Takeru pops up. Hell half of TE happens before Takeru appears.
>SM cannot have such a thing, because it is way into the past.
Oh don't fucking worry, it will. Even if it's a short moment of showing what the remaining Pilots of TSF Squad 666 do during Operation Ouka.
>>135994109
Don't worry there's an official timeline out there
>>135994569
>Why are weak long haired girls the majority of the army?
Other girls are already dead.
>Why does the army have no discipline at all?
Because in corrupt comunist nations, discipline is not what they want from army. Just look at fucking China.
>>135994578
TE's main present story takes place before, during, and after Takeru disappears. You know, how it ends with Operation Ouka and Yuuya going Newtype Mode with Espers against Laser/Fort class?
The other anon is correct.
>>135994358
Yea so far it felt weak, but still enjoyable enough to atleast keep me interested in what's going onin the next episodes
>>135994619
So, exactly same as mine?
>>135990008
You mean that capitalism isn't destructive either? What magical land do you live in where there's a perfect peace with all ideologies and ruling methods happily living side by side and interacting?
>>135993674
Read the description of the BETA and if you conclude that a tank is the best weapon then I'm afraid you make lack reading comprehension or are mentally challenged.
>>135994578
I don't think Yuuko gives two shits about anyone from Schwarzemarken since most of them will be dead save Theodor/Master by the present time in TE and Alternative.
Besides we know in the LNs and novels that Yuuko sent the $1 million dollar Silvio cyborg-man to find Yuuya, Inia, and the Shiranui Nigata Phase 3.
>>135994656
>Other girls are already dead.
So you can't tell the long haired girls to cut their hair so it wouldn't get in the way during combat? Or how they don't need to train?
I have no fucking idea what you're trying to say with the second part.
I don't get how that excuses the commanding officer not punishing the people disobeying orders and talking back.
>>135994569
I don't know dumb faggot, maybe it has something to do with the fact that the majority of the population is now female since most of the males are dead.
I like how you changed your questions from your previous post though, retard.
>>135994695
I'm fully aware of that, what I'm saying is that Schwarzesmarken will go the exact same route come the VN.
>>135994789
I'm sure Kouki will find a way to shoehorn them and make them responsible of saving Takeru and his crew during Ouka. They did it with Yuuya, why not with the others? I feel that's the plan for any side-story, all are gonna tie into each other during that fateful day when Humanity launched a counterattack against the BETA.
>>135994769
But anon, you assume so much
Of course we would not send out tanks as they are now currently, obviously you would use the same technology found on the mechs on the tanks, or not bother with the mechs in the first place and save a lot of time and research making equipment purely for the tanks
>>135994619
So basically, the reason it's counted as Alternative is because the Alternative timeline is considered to be the "main" timeline and Unlimited a branch?
>>135994042
If anything, I think they officially use Alternative as the blanket term for the entire Muv Luv universe, basically all timelines with the Betas outside of Extra, and Unlimited only for direct spin-offs of the Unlimited timeline AKA TDA. While strictly canonically speaking this is incorrect, it's probably a simplification for marketing and promotional purposes and we really shouldn't bother arguing about it.
Why not just reverse engineer the alien species, such as the laser class, ala XCOM?
>>135994821
They aren't really changed. I just added all questions in one.
Why are they all long haired?
Why are they skinny and untrained as fuck?
Why are they a majority?
One question:
Why are weak long haired girls the majority of the army?
Also the main problem isn't really that they are mostly girls, but rather that not even the solider looks like soldier. The girls look like something I could get from Otto Strasse.
>>135990197
They could just check her vitals from the suit's tactical feed.
>>135994932
We are not gonna listen to dumb questions from a man that choose Exile instead becoming King.
>>135994885
Kouki has no direct involvement with Schwarzemarken, he didn't write it or create it for one as well. Number two, Yuuya is more important and relevant then anyone or anything from Schwarzemarken and we know the laser fire increases from Evinsk Hive when the Valkyries and their escorts are flying over East Russia in low orbit to Kashgar in Alternative.
Secondly, TE is more relevant then Schwarzemarken in the long run given how it explains the railgun technology, next-gen TSFs, and Yuuya basically being a reflection of a younger Kouki. There's nothing saying shit about a story set 18 years before TE and Alternative that they'll do anything.
Top Gun was special.
Bratty Savior was special.
Theodor is evil.
Why did the BETA not target the USA, the greatest country on earth, first?
>>135994932They did.
>>135994932
remember how hard it was to create an organic quantum computer?
I'd imagine it would be just as hard to reverse engineer the organic properties of a laser class.
You might be able to dissect and understand a bugs anatomy, but you'll never be able to recreate it's freakish strength
>>135995010
What makes you think we are not gonna see the Operation Trident side of events during Operation Ouka?
>>135993633
german word for 666 is
>sechshundersechsundsechszig
>>135995010
>Theodor is evil.
Beatrix makes him look like a harmless kitten in comparison.
>>135995042
They tried, but accidentaly hit Canada instead.
>>135995042
They tried but America in it's infinite wisdom nuked the shit out of the Hive and destroyed it's hat completely which saved humanity from getting pounded from two sides.
>>135994893
So you want an anime where they turn the tanks into mechs instead of fighter jets?
Please describe fully the tank you magically think would be better.
The fact it would be ground based alone is stupid (mountains, hills, forests, rivers).
etc.
>>135995060
They figured out that kinda shit back in XCOM: Apoc
>>135995069
>Sechshundertundsechsundsechzig
Fix*d
>>135994885
>I'm sure Kouki will find a away to shoehorn them
A) Just like The Day After, Schwarzemarken isn't by Kouki
B) TE was written by Kouki
C) Yuuya was stated by Kouki himself to be representative of himself when he was younger
D) TE is set during Alternative; Schwarzemarken is almost 20 years before it
E) Most of the cast in Schwarzemarken are long since dead; Jurgen, Beatrix, Irisdina, Sylvia, Pham, Walter, etc..
F) Theodor as the Master already has been involved in both TE and Unlimited/Alternative's stories given how he's responsible for attacks and terrorist incidents in both stories
G) Yuuya saved Takeru's life and we have no idea what Yuuya's ultimate fate is but it ties directly into the last arc easily as a retro-active story fix
>>135995066
Trident isn't Ouka so I don't care.
>>135995160
We got G-Bombs and the XG-70d
>>135995107
Anon, you don't seem to understand
Tanks are just as capable as using the mobility tech that the mechs use, even more so because they don't have limbs to throw off their aerodynamics
>>135995193
Trident was happening at the same time as Ouka in case Ouka failed.
>>135995066
>Operation Trident
>December 2001
The fact most of the 666th Squad are dead?
>>135995252
What if you throw the Original Hive into the fires of Mordor.
>>135990091
Facism/Nazis = Wiped out in a war of 5 years
Communism = Still here
Hitler forgot to mind his power level
>>135995252
This is what will happen. Happy?
When does Schwarzesmarken happen and when does Alternative III (The attack on the Hive with Espers) happen?
>>135995162
No, the other guy was right.
>>135994705
Capitalism is a lot less destructive and in fact it's mostly constructive, while communism is mostly destructive and not constructive at all.
>>135995252
Please stahp, and use your brain.
You want to devolp a TSF minus limbs with a 50.cal machine gun and cannon which always HAS to retreat from the beta meaning you can no longer have offensive sweeps because if the beta come near you HAVE to run or die due to lack of CQC ability.
You want a jet tank with none of the good points of a TSF or conventional tanks (which they still use when appropriate).
Please lurk more and read more if your actually interested and not just being a spaz.
>>135994963
The vitals would tell you her heart rate, BP, temperature, and respiratory rate, in this context they'd have been monitoring them for signs that she's going into haemorrhagic shock. Vitals alone wouldn't tell you that her guts are hanging out and she's beyond saving.
>>135995379
What kind of shithole do you come from that you spell 600 as Sechshunder and not Sechshundert.
>>135994362
>Will we ever get an anime where the army isn't made out of playboy models and actually has some real named soldiers?
I hope not as that sounds just awful and it's certainly not something anyone would want to watch.
>>135995255
Yes, but that anon is saying that in context of Schwarzemarken's characters and cast in the story involved with Operation Trident. Which would be physically impossible since more then 2/3rds of them are dead before 2001.
>yfw next episode features a high budget outsourced sequence of Beatrix and her men fighting during a massive battle against BETA
>>135995325
I see that you struggle to read anon, I suggest you look over my post again.
The same VTOL technology could go right on that tank
Actually, it'd be significantly easier to create a jet/tank hybrid than it would be to create a giant biped mech
>>135995407
It's amazing how statically you anons think. The time put in to both make the mechs and make them battle capable was vastly wasted, when the same effort could have gone to creating a much more efficient fighting vehicle. Oh but it doesn't have a silly sword strapped onto it so you can't self insert into the tank.
>>135989691
I swear seen someone similar looking to her in other anime, I'm pretty sure I was some show not her form original material.
I'm right ? Or I'm just mixed up stuff?
>>135995456
I'm pretty sure that was a typo.
>>135995475
Cryska was dead and she participated all the same. Not even tama could match that
>>135995435
Look at this >>135990640 and inform yourself from documentaries (even of Iraq / Afghan wars) or read a book about the realities of trauma and you will discover the likelihood of recovering from even half the wounds she has.
Prognosisnot good, death imminent
For the first half, I kept thinking this episode would have been better placed in the middle of the series. Hell, it would have made a fine second episode. But a first episode? It just doesn’t serve that purpose well.
The obvious point of contention is that they made a big deal out of a character’s death, and I just didn’t care. She had only spoken a few lines, none of which seemed all that profound to me.
Perhaps her death was to give the world texture. This is the kind of place where you die defending your comrades. What’s more, mercy killing is just something people do. They might protest, sure. But at the end of the day, they’ll pull the trigger to spare their comrades a bit of pain. If that was the intent, it was hardly necessary. The intro scenes showed a bunch of nameless soldiers literally getting crushed by aliens, and that was enough. A series like this will eventually have to kill a character with a name.
The first episode, however, is more than too early.
>>135995643
Cryska was powered by dozens of identical clones, Yuuya's love, and Inia's psychic powers (strongest esper tied with Kasumi) and the special prafka system of the Berkut-E type installed in his Shiranui Nigata Phase 3.
I don't see that happening in Schwarzemarken.
>>135994493
>>135994533
>>135995042Why is lotr posting just the best?
>>135995726
What if they all die in the Borpal Hive during Alt III
Sumika a shit
>>135995770
Because of the anons who actually think mechs are a realistic and viable form of warfareand I like arguing (´•ω•`)
>>135995770
I am actually sick of frodo. I miss fighting the beatofags
>>135995579
What is your tank jet force going to do? Even with 10 times the number simple swarming will beat them. You think the Chinese didn't try having 100000 tanks vs beta and realise wow that was dumb it appears even the a group of the smallest variant of Beta can flip the tank over.
>ooooo duuur but mah tank is flying
you need to go beyond that for a compelling argument, what no. crew do it have what are the advantages and disadvantages to my flying tank which must always retreating and can never (never, ever, ever) attack the beta because if one solider jumps on its all ogre even with 10x more of these flying tanks
your silly idea has been discussed by more intelligent people than me and especially you before go read the archives
>>135995702
Inghilde is greatly elaborated upon in the LN. Did you know that she was a Junker who got picked on her whole life because of it. Did you know about her self esteem issues or that she was in the same class as Theo. Did you know that it was Annette who dragged her into the TSF core despite her being more suited for support, or that she fell in love with another pilot and traded letters with him.
Too bad, you don't get any of that in the anime.
>>135995325
>BETA tank is vulnerable to 7.62x39
In reality the BETA tank would never get close since it would have been moved down by the T-80BV co-axial gun or shot by the commanders 12.7mm gun.
Also when the Tank class trew of the turret, the commander and gunner would actually fly with it since
>lol soviet autoloader.
>inb4 thats a T-64
They use the same autoloader.
>>135995867
You a shit.
>>135995930
>>135996003
>>135995891
We're kinda tired of fighting you guys. The anime's too much. You'll just have to wait until the second VN.
Why don't they drop a a G-Bomb on the Original Hive and immediately launch a volley of nuclear weaponry into the exposed shaft? Even if they BETA shot them down in time anything down the shaft would get wrecked by the ensuing shockwave that would be unleashed by a single Nuclear Weapon.
>>135995938
And how do you deal with the 3000 destroyer? Or the other 5000 tanks? And fortress?
>>135993564
>German word for "666" - Sechshundertsechsundsechzig
>Schwarzesmarken
The fuck
>DDR
>Nazi
Come on
>>135995926
>you need to go beyond that for a compelling argument, what no.
Okay I won't if you don't want me to
>crew do it have what are the advantages and disadvantages
I think you might be having a stroke anon
> must always retreating and can never (never, ever, ever) attack the beta because if one solider jumps on its all ogre even with 10x more of these flying tanks
Where's your logic that it must always be retreating? And how is the fact an enemy could latch on any different than with a mech?
Another matter that should be discussed is the human casualty issue
Why isn't humanity making more use out of remote piloted vehicles? If humanity is down to such few fighters, it is infinitely smarter to minimize the amount of physical human involvement in the combat
>>135996123
Fort laser guns down G-bombs
>>135993769
>but in an understandable manner.
No
>In an alternate universe where the fallout of World War II led to a global split that left East Germany and West Germany in charge of the entire left and right hemispheres of the earth
>>135996193
Fort got wrecked by Yuuya and Zeta Shiranui Gundam.
>>135996144
Easy, I bring a army and fight.
I think you are confusing me with the LOTR poster.
Since this anime got mechs, im not gona argue they are useless since I dont want to. I would rather improve them with more firepower and pilot safety heuheuehuheuheuh.
>>135996123
Because they don't know that it's utterly centralized command instead of fully egalitarian decentralized command. And by the time they do know Murricans only want complete global saturation.
>>135996099
Come on, fight for your waifu! Anything but the tankfags! I was the one that said pre stasi Beatrix was great too...
>no Japanese Doll
What's even the point?
>>135996379
They literally bombed the fuck out every hive with all remaining G-Bombs. You'd literally use one G-Bomb earlier than the others in case Ouka failed regardless.
>>135996324
Why don't they just push the hives into the ocean?
>>135996403
Well, anything we bring up concerning her positives/BiS is going to be countered by the anime shoehorning in the execution. That's why we'll wait until the second VN gives us visual proof on which version of Beato is the correct one.
How do they even manage to die to anything besides the laser class?
Everything is so fucking slow and squishy, walking backwards and swinging your aluminium, katana folded 3 times would win the war.
>>135996324
In that case you know tanks are still useful just not the aces.
>>135996185
>remote piloted vehicles
What if the BETA countered by creating jammer class?
>>135996569
because nips couldn't open their eyes to see the BETA running at them
>>135996605
>>135996379
America's original proposed Alt V plan (early 90s) would've been greatly more strategically efficient and safer then the revised version in Unlimited/TDA with Operation Babylon or Alt IV with Operation Ouka.
>>135996409
Best girl.
>>135996569
The anime makes these little red devils clunky and slow as fuck. In the VN they always feel like Speedy Gonzalez on crack that flood you faster than ants a dead grasshoper.
>>135996626
But they are Germans and a traitor with a really good Japanese accent.
>>135996605
If they could surely they already would have, as it would severely cripple the humans war effort
Daily reminder that the mechs are basically piloted rockets IRL.
>>135996538
You know, I really wanted Beatrix to be a serious contender to best girl with Iris (like the Japanese polling shows), even if I'm an Irisfag, but the anime is making it really hard.
>>135995325
Is that real life tank from that era?
>>135996711
Liden's art style is awful
>>135989691
>I am simply not interested in anything that depicts Nazis, fascist communists, Stasi, or anything related as sympathetic characters.
>be on 4chan
ledditors out in full force today
>>135996569
Low budget can't portay BETA properly. Tank class has by far the highest number of kills of any BETA type.
>>135996737
Yes, it is a T-80BV.
>>135996693
They are blinded by their racism and nazi heritage then
Homu is best girl.
>>135996700
But wait why don't I just put a rocket onto my tank?!
I'm pretty sure tanks do well in wind tunnels. r-right?
>>135996746
You don't say. To be fair, some of those designs would be hard to adapt (especially a design like Beatrix), but there's no excuse for screwing a pretty uncomplicated design like Iris's up.
>>135996700
If they are like rockets, why do they engage the BETA from so close?
>>135996538
Fair enough. I hope her fanbase doesn't decrease much if SM Beato turns to be the correct one. I fear half the fanbase will abandon ship if she is really evil. Though I can say the same about Iris. Sharing the place with purityfags is pretty bad
>>135996746
It looks like a production from the early 2000's.
Accurate portrait of the DDR, I can confirm.
>>135996826
I want to say rule of cool, but damn a rocket powered Panzer would be cooler than any of the mech in the Muv Luv universe.
>>135996881
Theodor and Beatrix's redesigns are so bad.
>>135996934
2ch pls
>>135996826
>But wait why don't I just put a rocket onto my tank?!
The world has your idea beat by about 70 years
>>135996881
Theo in particular looks awful.
>>135996893
Because the MiG-21 is basically only useful in close range interceptions. It's radars were honestly Vodka-cooled and could only function as long as there was still unevaporated vodka.
>>135996881
>beatrix
You just need to put in some effort
>>135996934
The CGI certainly is 2000s tier.
>>135996826
>>135996996
Also if you meant a rocket powered tank, then the world still has you beat by about 60-70 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv0qg7zrjl4
>>135996601
The only problem we see tank models which are not that really great and not that logical.
Why do we see the T-64BV in 1983 when it was deployed in 1985? Why do we even see tanks with ERA when BETA dont use HEAT?
Why dont we actually see a T-72 with a 130 mm gun?
>>135997093
It looks like they didn't even bother with more advanced texture detailing or any sort of MSAA filtering with the CGI unlike in TE.
>>135996919
I was talking about her anime version. You can still see a glimmer of a good person in LN Beato despite everything, someone who used to love earnestly and be a pretty sweet girl. You don't get that at all from the anime's portrayal. I wonder if the anime will even cover the fact that she saved East Germany from nuclear annihilation in Vol VII Chapter III.
>>135996996
Tell me how well that would fly.
>>135996979
Where is the rocket fitted? It doesn't sound cool it sounds like it would be unbalanced as hell and flip the fuck out all the time.
The rocket on the back? The underbelly? BOTH?! for both vertical and horizontal thrust, ok try to manouver that through a valley.
It's not cool, it's fucking retarded.
It's like saying lets put a rocket on a truck and spend years trying to make a truck be able to fly. When we have something that can fly already (they are called planes fyi).
>>135991030
He's right, you know.
>>135996979
We got that in Panzerfront
>>135997075
I would've prefered something more like this.
>>135996796
So it is modern tank vs futuristic mecha desing.
I wish people would consider that having technology for mechs would mean better tech for other stuff too.
>>135997224
Are you kidding. Beatrix Brehme is extremely sexy.
>>135997180
We're talking about flying mech that are a million times less realistic than a rocket powered tank.
You can't question the plausibility of a rocket powered tank in a show that has giant humanoid bipedaled robots that can also fly.
>>135997147
In the LN, the DDR tanks were described as T-62M. I didnt watch closely enough to discern what kind of tanks were present in the episode.
>>135997350
>>135997224
She can also be extremely cute as well.
>>135997147
>Why do we see the T-64BV in 1983 when it was deployed in 1985? Why do we even see tanks with ERA when BETA dont use HEAT
I assume it's a different kind of ERA, one that explodes when little red fuckers run into it, like here
>>135997362
And how would it be useful? Stupid as they are, mechas in Muv Luv make sense
>>135997159
>these people are allowed to be pilots
No wonder humanity is losing
>>135997180
>Where is the rocket fitted? It doesn't sound cool it sounds like it would be unbalanced as hell and flip the fuck out all the time.
Where is your logic that the tank would flip all around? Anyways I am obviously no aerospace engineer, I am merely a hobbit. However even a wee Baggins like me knows that the human shape is in no way aerodynamic, and a tank chassis would be significantly better just for not having limbs
>The rocket on the back? The underbelly? BOTH?! for both vertical and horizontal thrust, ok try to manouver that through a valley.
I am sure the engineers can figure out the proper placement of thrusters as they do on planes, which I might add are more structurally similar to a tank than they are a mech, in terms of size and flatness
>It's not cool, it's fucking retarded.
That's rich coming from a mechfag
>It's like saying lets put a rocket on a truck and spend years trying to make a truck be able to fly. When we have something that can fly already (they are called planes fyi).
We know planes can fly, however by your own settings logic(which you seem to have forgotten), they have been rendered semi-useless because of high altitude attacks by lasers. Therefore clearly we should have a low flying vehicle with a smaller profile, something similar to a tank, and obviously not tall like a human
>>135997415
Animeonlyfag here, but who's the dude and why does she look so different than pic related. I thought she was supposed to be a sadistic mass murdering bitch.
>>135997147
ERA (if it's even called that in universe) is used for it's secondary effect of causing explosion and shrapnel which is upon impact of the BETA .
>>135997461
>And how would it be useful?
How are faster and deadlier tanks not useful?
The mechs make actually really little sense.
How can they make automatic rifles for mechs and, well, mechs in general, but their tanks are still WW2 tier tanks.
>>135997483
It's Beatrix's younger sister, Hilde and her BF. Beatrix tortured her sister's boyfriend to death before having Hilde raped like she did to Pham. Hilde then commits suicide.
>>135997539
>WW2 Tier Tanks
I'm quite sure you are incredibly ignorant on World War 2 tanks and Cold War Era tanks.
I wish these German bitches were real. Me and Ahmed would rape them in the name of Allah.
>>135997339
>>135997362
Oh my, two anons who actually can use simple reasoning, how nice
>>135997461
>And how would it be useful? Stupid as they are, mechas in Muv Luv make sense
>usefulness
Well, less resource intensive, less financially intensive, less research intensive, easier design, easier handling, can better handle 360 degrees of warfare, SIGNIFICANTLY lower profile, you can make them cute like hetzers, can fit larger arrays of weapons, can be more easily remote piloted
That's off the top of my head, feel free to think of more anon
>mechas in Muv Luv make sense
You've still yet to justify this, and things like this
>>135997159
Seem to agree with me
>Finally something I'd actually watch
>It's shit
Guess i'm just not watching anything this season
>>135997585
Wow, seriously? What a bitch.
>>135997468
>Therefore clearly we should have a low flying vehicle with a smaller profile, something similar to a tank
That's pretty much the Susanoo, minus the smaller profile thing. And that wasn't created until Alternative after using the alien elements to create the engine and even then it needed to be piloted by a quantum computer and all that jazz.
>>135997539
What will they make about grappler and fortress class? How will the tanks make it to the laser class? At least the tsf are faster and can fight in close range or out of ammo. And I am not even talking about infiltrating hives
They should've used Metal Gears, at least the designs are different. So we would have a MG for each kind of BETA.
Metal Gear Excelsus as an anti-core class, obviously.
>>135997449
>Anti-BETA ERA
literally the best invention since vanes, spikes and chainsaw-arms.
>>135997483
>Implying sadistic, mass murdering bitches don't make the best waifus
>>135995042
USA nuked canada for that
>>135997674
>What will they make about grappler and fortress class?
Shoot them would be my first guess
>How will the tanks make it to the laser class?
The same way a mech does
>At least the tsf are faster and can fight in close range or out of ammo
The tanks most definitely would be faster, since they have less mass
>close range
Wouldn't be a problem
>out of ammo
Just attach a blade to the turret
>>135997468
>No wonder humanity is losing.
Laser classes removes air superiority from humanity's advantage most of the time in individual battles, most of the male population is dead and human population is around 2.5 billion by 2001. Almost all of mainland Europe and Asia are lost save a small part of Eastern Russia and most nations on the frontlines are reduced to using teenaged pilots as their main military force.
And in pic related they were using outdated TSFs.
>>135997731
Yeah, cept you'd end up with your brains splattered on the wall when she got tired of you.
>>135997468
>>135997180
>Tell me how well that would fly.
It would not since that is actually a sherman with a multiple rocket tubes on it's turret, a T-34 calliope.
Mainly to bombard things.
>>135997339
Yes, that is the problem I have in this show, if we got mechs, why not super tanks?
>>135997378
The models in this episode were T-64's.
It's not that impossible that T-64's are under DDR control since the Soviet union got cut in two meaning any Soviet force still left in east germany will now be under DDR control.
Or DDR got rights to produce T-64's.
>>135997449
>>135997507
But that's not how ERA works. The mechs got some kind of explosive charges in their shield, activated when they punch something. It being called ERA is wrong since ERA works in a way like this.
>Get's hit by a HEAT ray.
>activates and then push a metal plate into the HEAT ray, meaning it get disrupted and decreased penetration meaning tank survives.
The whole "ERA is their for the red fuckers" is dead wrong since we got this>>135995325 and then it would mean there is somekind of sensor mounted on each tank which activates them meaning there is a wire going into each individual kontakt-1 box or group.
>Schwarzemarken first episode
>CGI for mecha is two step backwards from TE
>Some of the adaption's anime designs for a couple of the main characters like Theodor and Beatrix are awful
>QUALITY and low production values already apparent
Liden was a mistake
>>135997815
When I say close range I mean arm range. Like those two thing the grapplers have that shield them from the front and are useful to fight too.
>The same way a mech does
So they will fly above the hordes of grapplers and tanks just below laser class firing range?
>>135997599
If that's the only part you're going to argue over from my post, then we have nothing to argue here.
The mech make literally no sense compared to the other technology they have.
Even the crème de la crème of modern tanks, is shit compared to the mech. It makes no sense that they didn't invest even a single cent into tank development. Hell, they didn't even need to invest in any reseach, just adapt part of the mech tech to tanks.
Tanks are infinitely easier to use, require far less training and cost far less than mecha.
>>135997674
>grappler and fortress class
Shoot them dead like mechs do.
>laser class
Long range bombardment since they now have more money to invest in actually good technology.
Don't get me wrong, I love mechs. I just get annoyed when some idiots actually argues that mechs are more plausible and realistic than tanks.
Also never argued about removing mechs completely. Just to actually adopt mech technology into other parts of the military.
I want the /ak/fags to go
Jesus christ can we have at least one Muv Luv thread without the rampant autism.
>>135997842
Man, these anime only fags. Beatrix and Jurgen dated for years and stayed faithful to one another despite Jurg having to go off and fight on year long deployments. Excepting Gretel, that is way more loyalty than Iris or any other gril in SM has shown to her man.
>>135997920
seriously?
It was better than expected from Liden and for that budget.
The CGI looks better, the Lasers work as they should (they actually burn and not pewpew like in TE), the mech/BETA models actually have visible damage, and the music is a lot better.
Yeah, QUALITY is apparent in some frames, but nothing that's really important.
>Takes place in Germany
>No pilot with Middle Eastern descent
Who /yuimouto/ here?
>>135997972
>When I say close range I mean arm range. Like those two thing the grapplers have that shield them from the front and are useful to fight too.
Yes they would be just as capable here, probably even more so because the tanks don't have the disadvantage of being human shaped which becomes unwieldy at larger sizes
>So they will fly above the hordes of grapplers and tanks just below laser class firing range?
Yes, in fact it will do this task 10x better than any mech because a tank uses significantly less vertical space as a mech
So is this show worth picking up? I've never liked shows about war and politics so I don't know if this show will change my mind.
So, how good do mines work against BETA?
>>135997628
>less resource intensive, less financially intensive, less research intensive, easier design, easier handling, can better handle 360 degrees of warfare
hahahahahahahah
ok Einstein, instead of reverse engineering jets, which have significantly more combined genius tier engineers thinking about the problem since they were invented, than a truck with armour and a gun mount) we now have to spend the extra 30 years of tech jets have had into tanks and the earth has at this point died
read the archives you fool
and think about things a little harder, planes and jets have had more of humanity combined efforts directed towards them since before the beta
you need to prove that something which cannot fight CQC, has -30years of dedicated research, and which logically is not balanced for flight can somehow be a better fit than a fighter jet being enhanced
you cannot do that, gg sir
>>135998111
Immensely
>>135998070
Get your shitposting at least right. This is DDR, there should be a vietnamese.
>>135997731
This. There is nothing better than a woman that won't show affection or kindness to anyone else than her beloved.
>>135998104
>I've never liked shows about war and politics so I don't know if this show will change my mind.
It won't. The MC himself even kills some of the girls personally.
>>135998058
>The CGI looks better
>QUALITY is apparent
>But nothing that's REALLY important
0/10
Kill yourself apologist
>>135998144
So why don't they just mine the hell out of everything that isn't controlled by humans, let the Beta suffer insane losses, strike back, take over territory and mine a new part?
>>135997911
>Yes, that is the problem I have in this show, if we got mechs, why not super tanks?
That's problem with most mecha shows, I choose to accept or ignore this and focus on story or rest of setting.
You niggas forget the flying tank
>>135998191
total shitclipse had worse QUALITY in ep 1
>>135998104
>So is this show worth picking up?
No.
But not because it's about war and politics, because it isn't.
It's about bad CGI mech with bad CGI tits and bad re-designs. The pilot episode is full of QUALITY. I can't even imagine what episode 6 will be like.
>>135998129
>
ok Einstein, instead of reverse engineering jets, which have significantly more combined genius tier engineers thinking about the problem since they were invented, than a truck with armour and a gun mount) we now have to spend the extra 30 years of tech jets have had into tanks and the earth has at this point died
Excusing how poorly that was typed out, you seem to ignored the massive issue of creating a working massive biped mech, and not only that, figuring out how to get the damn thing flying, and then the act of having to create weapons that only work with these mechs causes an abundance of issues
If these super duper scientists that figured all this out had better spent their time making a tank/jet hybrid, they would be significantly farther in their combat efficiency than now
>you need to prove that something which cannot fight CQC, has -30years of dedicated research, and which logically is not balanced for flight can somehow be a better fit than a fighter jet being enhanced
If you think mechs are logically balanced for flight then you need to go retake your highschool introduction to physics class
>>135998245
Not really. Looks like they also just ripped CGI sprites and plastered them into the animation, no rendering, no AA or any sort of filtering, two steps backwards from TE's CGI.
>>135998104
Why are you even asking?
>>135997973
>Also never argued about removing mechs completely. Just to actually adopt mech technology into other parts of the military.
Neither do I argue about removing tanks I amj ust tired of idiots talking about how holy tanks are superior.
Hell as I see it, tsf are better for getting to the laser class and allowing long range bombardment, and a combination of fortifications and tanks to hold the line in the meanwhile
>>135998258
>I can't even imagine what episode 6 will be like.
beach episode at sylt
>>135998235
>tfw you will never be a hindborn like that one anon
>>135998202
Because logic does not have any place in the mecha genre
>>135998191
You literally see this for less than a second.
Why didnt you post the QUALITY MPi-Ks in the hands of the NVA soldiers? You see them far longer than that frame.
>>135998235
>can fly
>can easily turn in place
>can fly over tanks and just under laser class detection range until they bring freedom to the BETA
>>135997986
BUT THEY WANT TO PIUT AFUASKNING RICKETS ON DA TANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm happy to see so many hobbits in these threads.
>>135998245
Keep telling yourself that.
>>135998332
It was multiple frames, dummy.
>>135998307
> tsf are better for getting to the laser class and allowing long range bombardment
Wrong, tanks have a lower profile which allow tanks much easier breathing room while flying above hoards and avoiding lasers
How the hell did Liden manage to not be capable of even matching the CGI of TE?
>>135998332
Why do the projectiles keep slowing down and speeding up randomly without an apparent reason?
Is Sylwia best girl?
>12 episodes
Oh man I love rushed anime.
>>135997972
Anon do you really believe that adding two huge mechanical arms and a sword is the most effective way to kill things at close range?
>>135998352
>wanting to put rockets on a clumsy giant human
lol
>>135998343
Won't work in hives. Out of that, just great
>>135998343
>First TOW kill be made against a BETA
>Vietnam wont happen
>>135998283
With rendering, it would look shit.
In SM, the mechs and CGI looks like they were drawn and blend in quite well. Unlike in TE, where everything was a badly blent CG-fest.
>>135998429
Hard to say. Theo sees her as a complete bitch, so we don't really get to see much of her pros.
>>135998202
Because thats what they do. They always mine the shit out of projected BETA routes.
>>135998467
Why are you posting a screencap that validates TE's CGI being better then Schwarzemarken's?
>>135998415
because the CG was the BD, most of the QUALITY was digital animation gone horribly wrong(that they later replaced with "meh" CG
also
>poorly lit dark scene
>indicative of quality when you can't make anything out
>>135998429
No. She's into old men with graying hair.
>>135998438
Do you really believe ramming a block against a grappler or fortress at less than suicide crash speed will work?
>>135998447
Why not?
Anyone got the webm of the TSF flying up to run from the laser?
>>135998519
Do you have cataracts?
>>135998447
>change the propeller with 4 katanas
>attack the same 4 katanas on the bottom side of the heli
>attack 4 mini katana propeler on the sides of the helicopter
>become Death, bringer of Pieces
>>135998447
>implying we have to go down there.
>implying we cant just remove the lasers and use deep penetrators
>people praising TE
>forgetting the occasional still images paired with earth quakes to simulate movement.
>>135998519
>because the CG was the BD
>>135998280
You are shifting the points of the argument.
My point is: Use magic SCIENCE to makes jets (light, already much more developed, already aerodynamic)
Your point is : Use magic SCIENCE to make a square truck with Armour and a gun mount (heavy, less developed, never designed to fly)
You want to use a rocket powered SPOON to cut a stake made of diamond, I'm suggesting and the creator of the show realizes that a rocket powered DRILL would make more sense.
>>135989691
I bet your last name ends with stein.
>>135998528
>place spear like weapon onto tank
>launch into BETA
>is actually an explosive
Bam
>>135998146
There's actually a Vietnamese.
And she's top-tier.
>>135998537
Mostly the wind inside the tunnels and BETA dropping from above. Hives are also full to the brim of BETA
>>135998612
Anon, mechs aren't jets, they're mechs
If you think the two are actually similar you might be insane
>>135996881
>>135998609
>>135998564
Go to bed Sagiri
>>135998527
You mean Sylwia pleases old men for free?
>>135998609
are you a baka, or just stupid?
>>135998653
Are these winds stronger than what the Mi-24 experiences at 208mph?
>>135998723
>>135998612
If this mech design is so superior to both jets and tanks then clearly the world powers should be using them to fight today
Oh wait
>>135998653
>Mostly the wind inside the tunnels and BETA dropping from above
That's why I'm saying to change the propeller for katanas.
Let them drop, let them die.
>>135998632
>spear hits grappler's arm. Explodes harming tank more than BETA
>tank tries to get close to fortress. Is squashed by its tail or legs even before finding the entire thing is harder than grappler's arms making spear even more useless
>>135998528
Why crash into him, just have some some short range 3 degrees of freedom gun.
And how is ramming a big sharpened slab of steel any better than ramming a tank into it? What to speed can a sword swing like this reach? How much kinetic energy can it deliver?
How many times can you swing that arm before one of it's many mechanical components gives out?
>>135998723
Yes, I suppose you could say that. Change the plural to singular and it's fairly accurate.
>>135998767
Why is Walter such a handsome man. He basically is the most germanic character in any anime so far.
I wished he was the MC, and not some edgy ginger cunt.
>>135998677
But the TSF comes from jet aircraft heritage / design philosphy. If they had used a square piece of steel, and tried to incorporate the square piece of steel heritage earth would of died before a flying square piece of steel could save us.
>>135998832
>He thinks anime is real.
>>135998756
You cant be serious with sending a attack helicopter underground?
>So I told Boris to fly underground into a BETA hive.....he actually did it the absolute madman!
>hahahhahahahha
>>135991791
I don't know, I like the TDA and the post apocalyptic feel it gives.
>>135998836
This anon knows what's up
Mech fags btfo, heli bros 4 lyfe
>>135998859
>thinks contact means boom when it comes to military explosives
lmao, no sense arguing with a retard like you
>>135998750
http://imgur.com/a/3AIUw
more proof, the entire later half is full of bad animation corrected by shitty CG
>>135998892
Jurgen and Walter are better than Theo, and also have better tastes in waifus.
>>135998911
>But the TSF comes from jet aircraft heritage / design philosphy
The only thing they use based on aircraft is the name, nothing else is similar
>>135998912
see>>135998836
>>135990091
>They wiped out jews, gypsies
Not good enough, some are still alive, unfortunately.
>>135998836
>sagiri intensifies
>>135998836
Nah, Takesushi is clearly a best option while invading hive, That fucker have blades everywhere on it's frame.
Yep, it's canon.
>[Commie] Schwarzesmarken - 01 [D9E9A000].mkv
Oh yes.
The imouto is kinda obnoxious.
>>135999111
There wasn't too much editing.
>>135999006
Ah your right, they used the designer of the T-70 when consulting on the new MIG TSF. But wait MIG was already adept at making things that fly and had many more top soviet talent working for it.
Nope you are right, they defiantly asked they creator of the MAZ-500 to help with designing the MIG.
Taking the size and shape of a tank into account, the tank can easily support a lot more powerful canons than mech.
Mechs being bibedaled can't handle any powerful force compared to tanks or they would just fall.
Seeing how the mech rifle shreds through everything, it's safe to assume that a single tank round would kill a huge amount of beta at the same time. A wall of tanks just shooting would kill everything and make mech redundant.
>>135998750
You are the only baka.
>>135998892
Do you waifufags never get tired hating on Theo?
Bitch deserved it, get over it.
>>135999131
Imouto is not a threat.
I don't like how the villains in this are pure evil. In previous ML's, they were just deluded or too patriotic. You know, very human failings compared to the sadistic mass murderers of SM.
So we all agree that the Hind is the way 4 life?
>>135999087
No. Berkuts are literally KNIFE armor all over, and were specifically made to be anti-Hive units, the Takemysushis are designed to be anti-BETA units.
>>135999180
Even fucking daesh has destroyed a tank. How many f-15's has daesh even scratched?
>>135999169
Bummer.
Did they at least change the Lieutenant into "Leutnant"?
>>135999180
B-but anon, they can't wield katanas!
S-so...um....they suck!
>>135999265
Nothing I posted is from the BDs, stupei. Majority of the fixes are background images, details, uncensoring the nudirty or gore, and lighting effects, you aren't fooling anyone.
>>135999262
It's a 99.9% better option than a tank with wings.
Shame we don't see a lot more of them in the muv-luv verse, they would be useful and literally counters everything these tank faggots are saying.
>>135999294
Nope. The edits I noticed most were the amount of 'fucks' that got added.
>>135999262
Of course, tovarish
>>135999221
>Bitch deserved it
She deserved way worse than justpenetration.
>>135999287
The F-15 is a jet
Not a mech.
>>135999352
But anon, a grappler could get on the hind, what then?
Only a glorious biped mech could withstand such a force
>>135998481
I'm increasingly skeptical towards Theo's taste in waifus.
>>135999352
You do know the "tank fags" were the one that brought up the Mi-24 hind?
>>135999255
The anime is already proving to be shit given how it introduced Beatrix as a cookie-cutter two dimensional generic edgy evil villaniness. She's not like that in the novels, although she is sadistic and cruel.
>>135999306
They can.
Make a katana that can just pop out and attack to the gun barrel.
And if I remember correctly, in Girl und Panzer they had a melee fight with tanks. Now imagine it with Katanas.
/ak/fags need to leave
>>135999266
>Takemysushis are designed to be anti-BETA units.
Wiki says that Type-00 also have blade edge armor.
Fuck it all, I'll leave the threads to the tankfags and go with the beatofags. At least till helicopters clean the faggots.
Hey guys! Do you have place for an irisfag?
>>135999444
Hopefully, they will add some more depth to her later on.
>>135998202
They do, but the BETA have really fucking overwhelming numbers, after you mine the hell out of a zone they would be ready for another attack, even after suffering "heavy" losses. Not to mention that if you bomb everything you cripple your capacity of researching your enemy since you destroy everything and render the terrain completely useless.
During Unlimited and Alternative (40 years in the future) they have G bombs which are basically nukes which they use to clear hives but even then the BETA recover their numbers easily.
Alternative V's plan was to evacuate the necessary people from earth then nuke the shit out of everything and it still didn't work and the people who stayed on earth were left for dead.
The anon that says that a flying tank would be useful is right, it would be. However you gotta take into account that in the muv-luv universe, humanity focused on other type of technology after the aerial advantage was rendered useless. For a flying tank to be effective, it would also need the ability to hover in the same place, for a complete six degrees of freedom, specially when you talk about trying to invade hives where the space is limited and BETAs are coming from all sides. At the time of Schwarzesmarken this is impossible with the technology they have available. The first instance of a hovering/low flying tank in the muv-luv universe is the Susanoo, which is created 40 years after and thanks to the new elements that were discovered in hives.
TL;DR: Don't complain about mechas in a mecha anime.
/autism
>>135999488
I know they do, my point was that the Berkut unlike the Takemyushi was designed SPECIFICALLY as an anti-Hive infiltration unit. Like the YF-23s were.
>>135999399
Sorry but tanks suck, always see their carcasses everywhere. Peasants with molotovs can defeat the best modern tanks.
And you want to get funding to engineer a tank into something better? hahaha
Helos and Jets are the only things worth investing time into in muv-luv universe (and they made the correct choice) they would be dead if they thought?!!? ?!"? FAUSCKING TANKS FLYING?>! YAAAAY
fuck off back to war thunder, tanks are shit tier military platforms and they are dead along with the battleship
Who wins the Theobowl?
>>135999507
No they won't. They've cut so much that fricken Gretel is now best girl.
>>135998202
Mines and fire-support, as well as defense in depth are basic staple in any anti-BETA defense.
Such a great thread, /k/ has come to spread it glory.
>>135999549
>Peasants with molotovs can defeat the best modern tanks.
It's funny because gravity alone defeats mechs completely.
>>135999548
Then...send fuckton of berkuts that fill whole diameter of average hive tunnel, and proceed until you'll get to reactor?
>>135999570
Nobody. The one girl he thrust himself into died because she couldn't handle him.
>>135999600
Or using natural obstructions, such as rivers.
>>135999570
Nobody wins, everybody loses, everyone is mad.
>>135999570
Katia
>>135999438
Your point is that investing humanities limit resources into flying tanks is better than mechs.
My point is that helo's or mecha jets are superior. A hind can wrekt shit in real life, WHILE flying. A tank can get destroyed by peasants, and you want to put wings onto this ?!
Anyway i'm done you idiots must not have played the games or read anything to do with this series if you still don't see how stupid you are.
Read the archives, im out.
>>135999653
>send a fuck ton of the most expensive TSF the Russians barely have a few squadrons of that take forever to make
Not that easy
>>135999570
None and only girl surviveHe personally kill 2 girls of the 666th
>>135999570
He kills his obsesssive imouto. He's friendzoned by his hot blonde boss for most of the series despite risking his life for her.
Theo's love life is pretty shit.
>>135999715
And they are still the most cheap of the top three
>>135999738He kills Beato and Lise actually
>>135999658
>no longer porn game
>still create characters made for sex but there is no sex because it is not a porn game
Into the trash it goes
>>135999673
>>135999549
>muh molotovs
>muh mechs
>muh muv luv
Gravity wants a word with you bro
>>135999708
Thank god, another retard purged from these threads
>>135999513
I only watched Alternative before this. How do BETA recover so fast?
Alternative explained nothing in that regards. Or any regards.
Humans still need Tanks to fight the BETA
Humans still need Artillery to fight the BETA
Humans still need Helicopters to fight the BETA
Humans do not need Jets to fight the BETA, as Lasers generally render them useless aside from specific circumstances.
What's a TSF? It's a Jet with legs and arms.
What military industry suddenly has an extremely low R&D priority and a lot of inactive production lines?
It's pretty simple.
>>135999787
Good lord do I know that feel. If this was an eroge, I could possibly side with Beato and sex her, but because it isn't. I'll be forced to kill her in Martyrs. These designs are pure trolling.
>>135999715
Then send random TSF with shield made from nano knifes, and form testudo, and proceed to reactor room?
Why try and navigate the tunnels in the hives when you can just dig?
>>135999760
No they aren't.
>>135999873
>What's a TSF? It's a very poor substitute to Jets that overall is a waste of time, and was clearly designed by a weeb
fixt
>>135999887
G element game is strong man.
>>135999787
My brother from another mother, I know exactly how you feel.
People really believe this is actual propaganda?
Incidentally check 'em.
>>135999795
>I only watched Alternative
You watched Total Eclipse, which is shit and should be ignored.
The BETA arebiological machines, so they just produce more of them
>>135999287
>>135999549
>>136000004
Close, but no cigar.
We just need more Raptors
>>136000020
Anon why did you post two of the same image?
>>136000020
Take a look at the back of it new-friend.
>>135999653
Who even cares at this point.
They started recapturing europe with regular TSF's. The BETA are losing their ground with each passing day since Ouka
>>135999928
All of the countries involved in Muvluv would love to make Jets, but they're utterly useless against BETA.
So no.
>>135999887
Because breaching the semi-organic hive walls requires expensive S-11 charges atleast.
S-11 are essentially mini nukes used by hive infiltration units, it's main purpose is of SD device.
>>135999690
A win by eliminating the competition is still a win.
>>136000126
With Berkut Wall Method you reduce casualties to minimum.
These motherfuckers
>>136000136
Bruh, these guys mine shit throughout space, I think they candle it
>>136000133
>All of the countries involved in Muvluv would love to make Jets, but they're utterly useless against BETA.
"Hey guys so Jets are fucked what do we do?"
"Hmm..."
"WAIT, what if we make a giant machine that is built like a human!"
"FUCKING GENIUS, call the world leaders right away!"
>>135990424
>>135990400
Too late; it's been made before the animu came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg75tvW_2ig
>>135999795
I remember reading somewhere that they could be created from organic material, as in recycled humans, which kinda explains why some of them have human-like features. Not to mention they can communicate with hives outside the earth and ask for a hive call-down. They are probably mass-produced by the creators.
>>136000201
Fourth Gen TSF's arent that easy to create nor would Russia hand them out for free.
Humanity is already planning future wars in a post-beta world.
>>135999262
They are actually pretty shit. Weak gun, bad selection of missiles and horrible agility.
Still much better than dumbshit mecha, but that's hardly an achievement.
>>135999790
>they use warships
>they use tanks
>they use jets
>they use mines
>they use TSFs
>they use Hinds
Why are people arguing again? it seems that they're using the best of military technology they have including giant robots.
Would you say Lise is a good imouto?
>>136000201
You forgot to metion the use of mass produced psycho esper in pods as Berkuts remote controlled pilots
>>136000338
They even use fucking orbital bombardemant and it's still not enough.
>>136000347
She'd go to any lengths to protect her onii-chan, so yeah, in a sense she kind of is.
>>136000338
Because retards haven't read the source material and complain about mechas appearing in a mecha anime.
>>135996569
Imagine like a giant hive of them (say, enough to completely fill your vision with nothing but tank betas), moving at 80km/h, right at you. Say you're focused on them and trying to back away... but then BAM: a destroyer-class hit you from the side at 170km/h (this is where you die). And you couldn't fly either because those fucking piece of shit lazer-class BETA are just waiting for you to even attempt a flying escape.
>>136000338
>Why are people arguing again?
They're arguing that TSFs are pointless. They're a giant waste of resources that could have been used to make anything else better. Giant flying humanoid machines aren't exactly practical.
>>136000338
Autism can't handle the idea of giant robots, even if the giant robots are part of an immense combined arms force and used for one particular purpose.
>>136000347
I like Theo but Lise is too good even for him
If we're going to make mechs, why make them like humans and not in an infinitely superior sphere form?
>>136000430
This.
The problem is there is a GuP thread atm so every spastic thinks the solution to all of lifes problems is via the ancient art of tankery.
>>136000452
On the money anon, thank you for making me a happy hobbit
>>136000327
>But it have 30mm
>carry troop
>ATGM
>250 kilo bombs
>>136000477
He was once a good niisan up until the stasi broke him.
>>136000347
Yes, definitely.
I pray for SM extra so I could see their shenanigans together.
That one bit in the VN back when they were students warmed my heart.
>>136000452
Yeah, instead they argue that they should split Tank design, which is still very important, into two entirely different branches to do two radically different roles. One of which would require a radical and total redesign, instead of taking existing technology (Based off the lunar exoskeletons) and combining it with the industry that has been rendered useless militarily (jets).
It's not like strapping jet engines to tanks for high velocity low altitude entries is particularly practical either.
>>136000579
>A VNFag
So how's the anime doing it for you. Are the Beato/Katia/LNFags right to take a shit on it?
>>136000347
She's a ruthless murderess who completely lacks any sort of ethical fiber in her character.
>>136000532
You're so simple minded anon, us 'tankfags' aren't necessarily saying that tanks are the end all be all of warfare. We are using an already shown existing technology is infinitely better than wasting time making mechs
Are there designs other than that which would be superior? Very much probably
Is that design a bipedal mech?
Definitely not
If you're going to make a drama about humanity fighting its last breaths against an alien menace, at least try and make the humans look semi-capable
>>136000347
No, she was raped.
>>136000579
>>136000647
>Phamfag
>>136000430
The real problem is the fact that Muvluv mechas are really fucking stupid and make no sense in a setting that really tries to be dark and serious.
>>136000674
Read this is if you won't read anything else.
>>136000596
Lise needs more love. Actual love, not ketchup brand of love
So does TSF pilots only get issued pistols?
They seem to be dropping like flies the moment their mech is unable to fly or run and they are undergunned the moment they leave their mech.
>>136000430
Actually we started arguing against mechs when some moron started suggesting that mechs are more practically than tanks.
I can't say about other people, but I love mech. I'm just aware that they are only possible in fiction so anyone telling me how mechs are more practical than tanks pulls a nerve.
That and some anon asked why the tanks are from 83' and still use the ancient technology when they have mechs. Why not use mech technology on tanks. Which is a pretty valid question.
>>136000717
The actual problem is that all you do is shit up the thread and never read anything, whether it's replies from people who have read the source or the source itself.
Which girls in this show are pure? I don't wanna make a mistake and come to like used goods.
>>136000634
I think so, I was wondering why they would make the changes they did but in the end I'm just going to enjoy it for what it is,
my dose of Katia/Liz scenes and action sequences since I already know the plot but I haven't read the LN.
But the two that really bothered me was the rush for Katia's real objective and the change in it's tone as well as the addition of that after credit scene.
As well as all the characterization they're skipping for the characters
but I think they can still stick the in the remaining episodes
>>136000736
>Yeah, instead they argue that they should split Tank design, which is still very important
Well since the tanks in Muv Luv seem to have 0 advancement from when they were first created, looks like our plan still works
> One of which would require a radical and total redesign
So like mechs?
>Based off the lunar exoskeletons
Protip: Upsizing things doesn't mean they work the same as when they were smaller
>combining it with the industry that has been rendered useless militarily (jets).
...So just like mechs tried to do?
>It's not like strapping jet engines to tanks for high velocity low altitude entries is particularly practical either.
Much more practical than a bipedal mech
Okay I read and retorted your post point by point using logical reasoning, will you do the same to mine?
>TSFs
>designed using existing mobile walker technology used for space construction
>designed to leapfrog the masses of enemies to destroy the laser class BETAs at the back in order for the army to bring in their air support
>small enough to go through HIVE tunnels and be ready for all dimensions of combat (how do you aim above your head in an enclosed space in a tank?)
>Is a mobile weapons platform that is maneuverable enough to dodge the masses of enemies while firing
In the setting, the tanks are still there are excellent for their role. TSFs are just built for a specific role that's required in combat against the BETA. By adapting a tank using all the technology, you'll result in a TSF at the end of the day as well.
>>136000808
Give them rifles and they will still drop like flies.
>>136000777
Stasi dogs do not deserve love.
>>136000808
There's supposed to be a carbine in the cockpit, and their pilot seat can eject and function as a powered exoskeleton to improve mobility.
>>136000808
>even in universe the TSF are useless death traps
I'm amazed mech fags defend these so much
>>136000808
Later on they develop hardsuits that can be cannibalized out of the cockpits when they eject, but I dunno when they came out.
>>136000452
TSFs main purpose is to go into the HIVE, cause explosion and/or retrieval of new data (piece of BETA, more updated maps, etc), and if possible get out.
>>136000808
Even with bigger guns untrained playboy girls are just that, untrained playboy girls. They are useless. You already wasted enough money on impractical mech, why waste even more of your precious resources on giving them rifles when they are going to die anyways?
>>136000809
I blame frodo for trigger him and shiting the thread like always. And /ak/
>>136000924
The after credit scene shit all over Beatrix's character, and Katia admitting her connection to Alfred made her look like a retard. This is basically the KGNE anime all over again.
>>136000968
Shut up Pham
>>136001009
Can you at least read the source material?
I mean, considering that half of Unlimited is literally Basic Training: The VN.
>>136000947
>By adapting a tank using all the technology, you'll result in a TSF at the end of the day as well.
Yes, but they will be smaller, use up less resources, and be more expendable
Not to mention the benefit of not having 4 limbs to ruin your design
Now if only these retards could figure out how to remote pilot things and they'd be even better
>>136001009
>>136000808
They have more mechs than people to arm them.
>>136000947
>designed to leapfrog the masses of enemies to destroy the laser class BETAs at the back in order for the army to bring in their air support
This part still doesn't make sense. Why is a bipedal mech better at getting to the rear lines? Wouldn't low altitude missiles, helicopters, and planes be just as good?
>>136000808Nechronica anime when?
>>136001079
Even '83 in Europe?
>>136001082
Helicopters and tanks are primary anti-air attack force, read the fucking visual novel.
>>136000809
You were on the side of the tanks with wings guy, and considered it easier to make tanks with wings than more maneuverable jets? (ignoring mecha at this point) You seem kinda dumb anon
>>136001082
Laser class BETAs will hit all flying targets.
They don't aim towards their own kind so hopping and boosting in the air works as it fools their targeting.
>>136000809
Frodo fag here
I love mechs as well, and really enjoy them in a series that doesn't take itself too seriously
The problem with Muv Luv is it tries to be a dark and grim military drama but then throws in anime girls with giant titties piloting mechs
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised that the devs were originally against the mech choice but felt the need to insert them to get more sales
>>136001138
Not soon enough anon
>>136001223
If anything, the girls were added to boost sales
>>136000927
"Logical Reasoning"
>Well since the tanks in Muv Luv seem to have 0 advancement from when they were first created, looks like our plan still works
What do you even know about Muvluv tanks? They still have treads and guns, they must be the same! Or what? They're still the lynchpin of most ground operations against BETA, so what they're doing is clearly effective.
>So like mechs?
How can you redesign what wasn't designed in the first place? TSFs took the idea of the exoskeletons and mated it with the Jet technology that was going to be laying around doing nothing and built that from the ground up to fit a particular niche.
>Much more practical than a bipedal mech
Possibly, but this is anime. Both are wildly impractical in OUR world, but in the setting itself with their particular technical advances and the enemy they are facing they're reasonable enough. The basic impracticality of mecha in our world doesn't directly translate.
>>136001079
>They have more mechs than people to arm them.
Really?
So what's up with the gorillion footsoldiers dropping dead like flies during the start of the episode?
Why not equip everyone with a mech instead of letting them collect dust?
>>136001199
Nah, I was on the side of rocket powered tanks. Doesn't mean they need to fly.They just go fast.
Also I was joking when I made that suggestion but I didn't expect it to grow into all this.
Neue thread
>>136001286
>>136001286
>>136000961
Only as the infantry, if they actually have a weapon they can fight their way out of their damaged mech and have the chance to get rescued by other TSF or someone.
>>136000975
>>136000989
shit, why have we not seen this yet?
>>136001009
They are pilots.
>>136001079
Still dont explain why every dont pilot have a carbine and a chest rig.
>>136001279
Some people got buttblasted.
>>136001201
So why not design a giant bouncing ball or bowling ball instead? It's way easier, more practical, and more cost effective.
>>136001201
>Laser class BETAs will hit all flying targets.
So why didn't they shoot down the mechs while they were flying over the heads of their allies?
>>136001279
It takes time and money to train a competent pilot.
>>136001383
So better send them to die and let the TSF rust?
>>136001279
>Take alot of time to train a soldier who will likely not live for more than 10 minutes
>Or throw them forward out of desperation as mobile infantry
I dunno senpai.
>>136001279
When you show any enthusiam to these spics who haven't read the source and refuse to even read archives the threads become shit.
Btw I like the idea of the rocket powered panzer as a fun thing, but this is a thread about muv-luv and constantly gets shit up by frodo posters and autists like me who reply to them I suppose.
>>136001383
Then it's really shitty to lose them.
I mean they cant do shit the moment their mech is downed.
If only we cared more about their ability to fight their way out to extraction.
>>136000808
Their given sidearms to kill themselves in the case their injured or unable to return to friendly lines during combat with the BETA.
>>136001443
Or give them absolute basic training and send them in TSFs
>>136001437
No, keep the TSF for the next batch of trained pilots instead of wasting a million dollar craft.
>>136001508
Theoretically there's an ejection system and a whole field survival kit + powered exoskeleton in the cockpit. The story has never shown it in action for some reason.
>>136001443
>teach the soldier how to walk in mechs and have at least a tiny chance of being useful
>let them die in vain
Dunno kouhai.
I like the idea of mechs being rare more than the army being led by morons.
>>136001554
I would love to see it. I been waiting since unlimited
>>136001554
Dont tell me it was developed for the very first TSF?
And somehow we never ever see it in action?
That's fucking retarded.
600 for Iris?
>>136001606
>And somehow we never ever see it in action?
TSFs and pilots are cheaper to produce than paying for good writing and animation.According to captcha, palms aren't trees. I learned something new.
>>136001606
Even in Muv-Luv Unlimited there's a scene where MC and his cadet squad are in the classroom discussing a theoretical problem where it went something like
>your TSF has been downed, you have ejected and you're in your exoskeleton
>to get home do you go down this trench which is a longer route or do you just move exposed out in the open which is a shorter route
>muv luv defense force
>defeat any enemy on /a/
>won't stand a chance against beta
>just because they say so
and you thought OPM powerlevel bullshit was bad ?