Finished the whole series. Now I can say it's bad. Otaku pandering crap.
Everybody already knows that dumbass. The thing is, a huge portion of this board is filled with otaku (their western wannabe counterpart) and those pathetic pieces of shit NEED to be pandered to.
Pandering towards the broad spectrum of otaku fetishes, it’s incredibly boring, thought that is subjective. No significant world building. Characters are just disguised cliché's. Japanese metaphorical animal bullshit, although fans of the series reach into it and dig out the tinniest of "deep" themes, but to someone who has grown tired of the constant bastardization of proper storytelling and characterization in anime, this was worse than a disappointment.
Well I'm so sorry to tell you this OP. I'm not made for wearing clothes either and I absolutely hate having to wear them from time to time.
The whole Hana is bad trend is ridiculous. At worst the first half was way too slow especially with the uninteresting conversation with devil girl, but Kaiki and long haired Ragi are worth it.
People who hate monogatari are just autistic faggots who can't read quickly and can't appreciate art unless its in the form of moeblob circlejerking.
Lemme guess, you think Fate/kaleid is top-teir character and plot??
>Not liking Hana
Your making these lessons I took go to waste anon.
>Implying being gay is bad
>Implying being autistic defines you as a person
>Implying Fate/Kaleid is bad
>Implying anime is for artistic purposes and not enjoyment
>Impyling moe is all bad
>Implying if you don't like monogatari your a loser
You make the fan-base of monogatari look bad.
Please kill yourself anon, because we need less judgemental retards like you.
I liked Shinobu time and Kaiki arc, I'm just not dealing with some degenerate who thinks Shinobu time is worse than all the other fucking shitty SS arcs, especially the first one
I'll admit I liked Kaiki and Ononoki they didn't feel like cliches, a main reason I stuck with the series. Sorry for that mistake.
But me saying the characters are cliches doesnt mean cliches are bad.
It's like this is your first week on 4chan. Please go back to Reddit where people respect others opinions and you can be spoonfed the flase notions that you are special and others are nice.
Nise was good for the fan service, platinum disco, and the legendary tooth brushing if nothing else. You're aloud to say the series went downhill after Bake but that's misleading because it really goes downhill after Nise.
I didn't say they were mutually exclusive topics you "pleb".
Don't act as if art is a positive word.
"Art" is entirely subjective and some pieces of art can be interpreted as "bad" to a viewer. Just because it's art doesn't mean it's good.
>>Implying anime is for artistic purposes and not enjoyment
How is this shit not drawing a clear fucking line between the two?
I happen to enjoy appreciating the craftsmanship and imagination put into anime just as with any other type of fiction. Therefore "artistic purposes" and "enjoyment" are largely overlapping.
>Kirito: Wish-fulfillment uber-Gary Stu, worst MC of the millennium
>Ara-araragi: Best male MC of the millennium, cares about his women and just wants to help them, fucking earns his harem
How does this work?
I have never understood people who say the series gets worse after bake. meme is the best thing that bake has to me. The other arcs have shinobu speaking, kaiki, kagenui and yotsugi, ougi, etc which all make for more interesting characters than most of the characters in bake. The fun for me is piecing together where the plot falls into place. I even enjoyed neko.
Normally, people are referring to the director change. Oishi is one of the old team Shinbo guys. Only Bake is a must-watch for the style alone.
As far as the story itself goes, I personally think Nisioisin is a good writer by anime standards and don't mind this franchise getting dragged on forever.
Bake is good, minus anything to do with Nadeko.
Nise is garbage.
Neko is garbage.
Tsuki is garbage.
Second season is overall good, with the best individual arc (the final one).
Hana is good.
Owari was dull.
Koyomi will probably be garbage.
Overall season one, two and hana are worth watching (and nise just to bridge the gap between seasons).
I love the pandering, the art, characters and dialogue. At least it's not all harem, fan service bullshit. There is good substance to the series.
>Being gay is okay
>Autism doesn't completely ruin you character and make you an objectively worse human being than if you didn't have it
Looks like we're dealing with a delusional, gay autist, what an unfortunate double whammy.
I really doubt anyone would put through the whole series so they could complain about it in chinese cartoon board.
If don't like Bake you won't gonna like S2 and the rest of the series, there is no need to keep watching something you don't like.
Stop lying, you fat fuck
>it's bad because I'm not the target audience
Mongatari does what it does very well.
You don't have to like it.
If you don't like it don't watch it.
Watching the full show just to be able to tell people that you don't know that you didn't like it is profoundly silly.
I'm willing to bet an arm op and all other the sperging faggots are retarded kyoanifags because really the whole monogatari serie is probably the most consistent and constant-high-quality set of stories i've ever seen in anime.
Also this muh fanservice anime is fucking retarded. Where do you even see this fanservice you speak about except for nise and the first bake episode?
Even so, why would fanservice be an inerently bad thing?
Why are you so retarded?
>Finished the whole series. Now I can say it's bad. Otaku pandering crap.
I didn't finish the whole series. I can still say it's bad. Otaku pandering crap.
So basically it was to artistic and intelligent for you to understand then.
Then why did it take almost 8 years for people to finally stop acting like it's gods gift to anime and the deepest most involved and ingeniously written and directed thing ever?
One thing I hate about Monogatari is that it's incredibly pretentious, but it's also well-directed. As much as I want to say "HAHA BLANK SPACE SO CLEVER AND SMART HAHAHA," Monogatari has the type of cinematography that you don't even get from American cinema sans arthouse projects like the things at Sundance.
I know you're joking, but what's the pretentiousness that some people spout? I'm on Tsuki and I've yet to see any resemblance of that. Are there people so ADD they can't sit through 10 minute conversations to advance the plot?
Honestly sometimes I wonder why shows can't just damn well tell a story anymore and have to be all meta, cynical and pretentious as fuck about everything. It really seems to have started with the meteoric rise of light novel adaptations but Visual Novel scene influence can be about as bad too. I kind of want a return to before that shit started to just dominate the perception of how to tell an involved story.
Kyoanifags are just anally devastated that their "deep and thought-provoking" series hasn't gotten a season three yet and their season 2 was just the same episode over and over again.
>Then why did it take almost 8 years for people to finally stop acting like it's gods gift to anime and the deepest most involved and ingeniously written and directed thing ever?
It didn't. You would have known that if you had caught up sooner.
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>It's a bait thread
I like it for the girls. And Araragi. And Kaiki.
Yeah but at least it's funny most of the time. Just don't take them too seriously.
>Psycho-pass is my favorite anime
i don't think anyone can claim haruhi is or intended to be deep with a straight face tho.
>monogatari failed to be deep
i don't know about deep but that kaiki fucker alone was enough to provoke my philosophy glans on a self debate on whether or not a fake can be superior to an original.
Moar fedora pics
Can't be any deeper than Cats endless vagina.
If you questioned your thoughts over the bullshit Kaiki says, which is basically Nihilism 101, then you have no right to complain about reading comprehension.
I'm sort of in the same boat OP
Having OCD - which causes me to force myself to finish anything I start;
is how I ended up on the Monogatari ride.
I recall myself watching Bakemonogatari back when it still aired, without having any prior knowledge of it.
Admittedly I didn't quite enjoy it. But I decided to give it a shot due to the somewhat unique style it had to offer.
And then as Nise came out - I naively thought that it may have something more to it. only to find myself enjoying it even less than the previous season.
That was the point where I swore I wont ever touch this franchise again.
Which held true until just a few months ago - as I kept hearing of the "Second Season" to be worth giving a shot for. Even for those who disliked the prior titles.
So here I am (after swallowing the bait) currently halfway through the said Second Season - failing to discover any improvement whatsoever.
I keep returning to it every other month - just to find myself struggling to finish even an single episode;
as my mind diveded with searching for a some kind of merit to the series within the episodes, and questioning myself for my repetitive poor decision.
Having all that said - I do have to note that Kaiki does redeem the series a little for me. Seeing as how I simply can't bring myself to like any other member of the allegedly unique cast the series offers.
And on the bright side of things - the Monogatari series taught me to never pick an airing anime ever again.
I loved the earlier seasons, but all I watch it for now are the characters. In the newer seasons the characters haven't really been doing anything interesting. I wish the occult stuff was focused on more.
You didn't need to watch the whole thing to be able to say that. The reason we make judgements about a series' worthiness is so we can AVOID wasting our time watching every episode.
Same here... well, not the autistic crap part, but just got to the second season, like 3-4 episode. The same shit over and over agai with over sexualized scenes, like everything the characters do had to be lewd stuff.
What a flop.
>spending dozens of hours watching a Vietnamese stop-motion film purely out of spite
Monogatari is pretentious garbage OP. You only have yourself to blame for spending hours watching this shitfest instead of just dropping it. The author gives no fucks about his characters and that makes him a complete hack.
I really enjoyed Bake, Nise and most of the Second Season. However, after that, things just got stale. I tried watching Owarimonogatari but couldn't finish it because I just didn't care anymore.
Really looking forward to Kizu though.
During Owari I really felt like it was falling to a lot of cliches that I feel like earlier installations would have made fun of. The really shitty locked room mystery, the taking anything regarding the name Heart Under Blade seriously, it felt like I was watching an actual generic LN adaptation instead of something meta and humorous with occasional legit touching moments.
Monogatari isn't pretentious at all (you could definitely argue that parts of it's fanbase are though, sure)
how can a series be otaku pandering and pretentious at the same time anyway, make up your minds about why you dislike it before deciding why everyone else has to dislike it as well
Yeah, maybe it's always been like that. But in the first few installments, it still was fresh. I could actually convince myself that the autor was just fooling around with a bunch of anime stereotypes. However, as it dragged on, the novelty got lost and with it the appeal. Call it nostalgia if you will, but this is how it was for me.
>Not being a perfectionist with unrealistic self-standards which results into having absolute zero animu backlog and transmitting the same trait into real life in order to obtain actual unprecedented achievements.
> what is masochism
actually enjoying your mediocre chinese cartoons.
Saying that you dislike X and then demanding that everyone else must also dislike X with no actual discussion being had is practically an ancient tradition on /a/ by this point, it's always been around
I'm not gonna argue with you on whether it's bad or not because that's entirely subjective and impossible to win an argument. However it being Otaku pandering crap? That's just rediculous. SAO is otaku pandering crap. What kind of self-insert character almost never wins fights and gets fucked up every single time? What pandering show is 90% dialogue?