Monogatari

Everybody already knows that dumbass. The thing is, a huge portion of this board is filled with otaku (their western wannabe counterpart) and those pathetic pieces of shit NEED to be pandered to.

>>135981734
Why is it bad?

>>135981734
finished reading your whole post. Now I can say you're a faggot. Tasteless thrash

>>135981734
You seem to imply that's a bad thing?

>>135981734
Is this skinnyfat for a girl?

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>>135981870
she should lose the last 5kg

>>135981734
You are an otaku i assume?

>>135981734
which anime isnt u son of bitch

>not watching Nise

Missed the deep plot then, bitch

>>135981734
Everything went downhill after Nise.

I bet you would also say tatami galaxy was boring and ping-pong was generic. Stick to you moe shit, shonen garbage, or where ever you came from.

>>135981822
Pandering towards the broad spectrum of otaku fetishes, it’s incredibly boring, thought that is subjective. No significant world building. Characters are just disguised cliché's. Japanese metaphorical animal bullshit, although fans of the series reach into it and dig out the tinniest of "deep" themes, but to someone who has grown tired of the constant bastardization of proper storytelling and characterization in anime, this was worse than a disappointment.

>>135981734
You could have said the same without wasting all those hours.

>>135982022
But Second Season has some of the best parts yet

>>135981734
>Otaku
oh god, thanks that people like you still exist. Because Weeaboo is not a word.

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>>135981734
Well I'm so sorry to tell you this OP. I'm not made for wearing clothes either and I absolutely hate having to wear them from time to time.

>>135981870
she needs muscles

>>135982090

Also some of the absolute worst.

>>135982072
Did you even watch Second season?

Dear Diary,

Today OP was a faggot.

>>135982151
Only Shinobu time is bad,

>>135982151
Nothing in SS comes close to Neko Kuro or Hana in terms of awfulness.

>>135982182
nigga you what

Am I the only one who watch this show just to see if Kaiki is around?

>>135982182
I liked the ending a lot

>>135982198
But its true.

>>135981734
>finished the whole series
Including wazamono???

>>135981870
Just skinny. Amazed she has oppai but that's the beauty of 2D.

>>135982022
>Everything went downhill after Bake.
ftfy

>>135982090
Some parts were good, but most of it was so boring I dropped it after Koimonogatari.

>>135982189

The whole Hana is bad trend is ridiculous. At worst the first half was way too slow especially with the uninteresting conversation with devil girl, but Kaiki and long haired Ragi are worth it.

>>135982243
Really, that was the only bad part? What about everything fucking else?

>>135981734
she looks fat

Bake> SS = Owari > Hana > Nise > Tsuki> Poop > Neko:Kuro

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>>135981734
People who hate monogatari are just autistic faggots who can't read quickly and can't appreciate art unless its in the form of moeblob circlejerking.
Lemme guess, you think Fate/kaleid is top-teir character and plot??

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>>135982189
>Not liking Hana
Your making these lessons I took go to waste anon.

>>135982312
>Not liking Kaiki arc

>>135982072
>Characters are just disguised cliché's

>Kaiki
>Cliche

>>135982466
>Implying being gay is bad
>Implying being autistic defines you as a person
>Implying Fate/Kaleid is bad
>Implying anime is for artistic purposes and not enjoyment
>Impyling moe is all bad
>Implying if you don't like monogatari your a loser

You make the fan-base of monogatari look bad.

Please kill yourself anon, because we need less judgemental retards like you.

>>135982539
I liked Shinobu time and Kaiki arc, I'm just not dealing with some degenerate who thinks Shinobu time is worse than all the other fucking shitty SS arcs, especially the first one

>>135982072
What do you like?

>>135982072
then stop watching anime


this is the best show japan has to offer, and it's clearly not on your level

Coalgirls releases use Commie scripts, right?

>>135982613
Why the fuck do plebs always act like "art" and "enjoyment" are mutually exclusive concepts?

>>135982572
I'll admit I liked Kaiki and Ononoki they didn't feel like cliches, a main reason I stuck with the series. Sorry for that mistake.

But me saying the characters are cliches doesnt mean cliches are bad.

>>135982643

The classics.

Mononoke Hime
Baccano
Fate/Zero
Wings of Honneamise

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>>135982741
>Fate/Zero

>>135982613
It's like this is your first week on 4chan. Please go back to Reddit where people respect others opinions and you can be spoonfed the flase notions that you are special and others are nice.

>>135981734
>Monogatari
>Finishing
You must be new here

>>135982741
You should not be opening your stupid whore mouth when half of that shit are light novel adaptations.

Nise was good for the fan service, platinum disco, and the legendary tooth brushing if nothing else. You're aloud to say the series went downhill after Bake but that's misleading because it really goes downhill after Nise.

>>135982678
I didn't say they were mutually exclusive topics you "pleb".

Don't act as if art is a positive word.

"Art" is entirely subjective and some pieces of art can be interpreted as "bad" to a viewer. Just because it's art doesn't mean it's good.

>>135982798
Is it okay to masturbate to Karen moaning?

>>135982768
HA. Reddit? A implied better site? All "anime" discussion sites are bad. Don't make me laugh.

>>135981870
skinny fat would be thin, except she has love handles. in which she doesn't so no she isnt skinnyfat.

>>135982758
Fuck you, it was my first anime and still my favorite

>>135982838
Douzo

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>>135982885
>first anime

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>>135982885
>first anime and still my favorite

>>135982629
What didn't you like about the first one?

>>135982802
>>Implying anime is for artistic purposes and not enjoyment
How is this shit not drawing a clear fucking line between the two?

I happen to enjoy appreciating the craftsmanship and imagination put into anime just as with any other type of fiction. Therefore "artistic purposes" and "enjoyment" are largely overlapping.

>>135982629
>the other fucking shitty SS arcs, especially the first one
Tsubasa Tiger is fantastic you shitter.

>>135982629
Why is shinobu time good?

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>tfw no qt donut loli vampire

>>135982922
>>135982928
Why?

>>135982629
>especially the first one
Why? Hanekawa finally got character dev.

>>135983029
Fucking shaft....

I can smell the sprinkled donuts, god damn..

>>135983029
>pastel colors

based

>>135982072
>Characters are just disguised cliché's.
That is the point

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>>135981734
>Kirito: Wish-fulfillment uber-Gary Stu, worst MC of the millennium
>Ara-araragi: Best male MC of the millennium, cares about his women and just wants to help them, fucking earns his harem

How does this work?

>>135981734
fuck off, otaku is what makes this industry still running.

I have never understood people who say the series gets worse after bake. meme is the best thing that bake has to me. The other arcs have shinobu speaking, kaiki, kagenui and yotsugi, ougi, etc which all make for more interesting characters than most of the characters in bake. The fun for me is piecing together where the plot falls into place. I even enjoyed neko.

>>135983230
Aragari actually fucks up multiple times for one

>>135983341
This.

>>135981734
Bake was good. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?
I'm an otaku and it sure didn't pander to me faggot.

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>>135983341
Normally, people are referring to the director change. Oishi is one of the old team Shinbo guys. Only Bake is a must-watch for the style alone.

As far as the story itself goes, I personally think Nisioisin is a good writer by anime standards and don't mind this franchise getting dragged on forever.

>>135981734
>watching 80 episodes of something you hate

for what purpose?

>not realising monogatari is the closest thing to a contemporary "camp" anime

pleb

>>135981734
Bake is good, minus anything to do with Nadeko.
Nise is garbage.
Neko is garbage.
Tsuki is garbage.
Second season is overall good, with the best individual arc (the final one).
Hana is good.
Owari was dull.
Koyomi will probably be garbage.

Overall season one, two and hana are worth watching (and nise just to bridge the gap between seasons).

>>135986356
The first episode was really bad

Their world looks so empty. As if they are stuck in a dream world.

>>135986356
every arc is garbage. don't kid yourself faggot

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I love the pandering, the art, characters and dialogue. At least it's not all harem, fan service bullshit. There is good substance to the series.

>>135987247
Aren't we?

>>135982613
>Being gay is okay
>Autism doesn't completely ruin you character and make you an objectively worse human being than if you didn't have it

Looks like we're dealing with a delusional, gay autist, what an unfortunate double whammy.

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>>135981822
Clueless fucker.

>>135982314
>she looks fat
That's the bone of her hips, dumbass.

>>135981734
You really convinced me

>>135991051
Animator seems like a cool guy

>>135981734
>whole series
I really doubt anyone would put through the whole series so they could complain about it in chinese cartoon board.
If don't like Bake you won't gonna like S2 and the rest of the series, there is no need to keep watching something you don't like.

Stop lying, you fat fuck

>>135991051
The studio owner should just kill himself and hand over the studio to the animator.

>>135982072
>it's bad because I'm not the target audience
Mongatari does what it does very well.
You don't have to like it.
If you don't like it don't watch it.
Watching the full show just to be able to tell people that you don't know that you didn't like it is profoundly silly.

I'm willing to bet an arm op and all other the sperging faggots are retarded kyoanifags because really the whole monogatari serie is probably the most consistent and constant-high-quality set of stories i've ever seen in anime.

Also this muh fanservice anime is fucking retarded. Where do you even see this fanservice you speak about except for nise and the first bake episode?

Even so, why would fanservice be an inerently bad thing?

Why are you so retarded?

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>>135981734
>Finished the whole series. Now I can say it's bad. Otaku pandering crap.
I didn't finish the whole series. I can still say it's bad. Otaku pandering crap.

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>>135991950
>posts ayase
sausage

>>135991051
fuck me man.

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>>135981734
So basically it was to artistic and intelligent for you to understand then.

>>135981807
Then why did it take almost 8 years for people to finally stop acting like it's gods gift to anime and the deepest most involved and ingeniously written and directed thing ever?

One thing I hate about Monogatari is that it's incredibly pretentious, but it's also well-directed. As much as I want to say "HAHA BLANK SPACE SO CLEVER AND SMART HAHAHA," Monogatari has the type of cinematography that you don't even get from American cinema sans arthouse projects like the things at Sundance.

>>135992303
I know you're joking, but what's the pretentiousness that some people spout? I'm on Tsuki and I've yet to see any resemblance of that. Are there people so ADD they can't sit through 10 minute conversations to advance the plot?

>>135982072

Honestly sometimes I wonder why shows can't just damn well tell a story anymore and have to be all meta, cynical and pretentious as fuck about everything. It really seems to have started with the meteoric rise of light novel adaptations but Visual Novel scene influence can be about as bad too. I kind of want a return to before that shit started to just dominate the perception of how to tell an involved story.

>>135992503
>pretentious
More retards using words they don't understand, what a surprise

If anything in the show went over your head, you just might not be a smart person anon

>>135982613

Why are Monogatari fans seemingly all trolling shitposting assholes anyway and who put them in charge of taste and when?

>>135992641
Small minded people discuss other people

Big minded people discuss ideas

>>135992618
Are you stupid?

>>135982613
>faggots thinking that they're entitled to get recognition just because its [CURRENT YEAR]
Go back to watching Love Stage you mongoloid.

>>135991917
Kyoanifags are just anally devastated that their "deep and thought-provoking" series hasn't gotten a season three yet and their season 2 was just the same episode over and over again.

>>135982741
>Baccano
>Not shitty adaptation of shitty LN
>Fate/Zero
classics
Yeah, classics indeed
Kill yourself

>>135992842
fuck off faggot. at least kyoani never tried to be deep and failed miserably like the monogatari series did

>otaku pandering
>what is 90% of all the anime made

>>135992947
>not 100%
everything panders to otakus.

>>135992947
See
>>135991051

>>135992993
how was cromartie high or planetes otaku pandering?

>>135993028
I like planetes and love live so fuck off.

>>135993028
Who are you to say that not a single otaku enjoyed them?

>>135992940
>Kyoanus never tried to be deep
>implying Air wasn't pretentious 2deep4u bullshit

>>135981734
He has a bath with a naked vampire loli you could have pieced that together a little while ago.

>>135993051
>>135993053
i dont think you know what pandering means in this context.

>>135992466
>Then why did it take almost 8 years for people to finally stop acting like it's gods gift to anime and the deepest most involved and ingeniously written and directed thing ever?

It didn't. You would have known that if you had caught up sooner.

>>135993176
Pander means to make something that people will like

>>135992466
>acting

>>135993228
>pander
>1 a person who furnishes clients for a prostitute or supplies persons for illicit sexual intercourse; procurer; pimp
>2 a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others

>>135982629
I didn't like Hanekawa's arcs at first, but after rewatching them, I just don't like her. The only one that is bad from Second Season is Hana.

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>It's a bait thread

>>135993311
So making something people will like

Is there ever a case when companies will not appeal to consumer weakness or vices?

>>135981734
OP, are you expecting us to believe that you watched around 75 episodes of a show you didn't like?

>People say Monogatari is only liked for the tits

>Fairly small percentage of the show is tits

Okay

>>135982182
That's the best part.

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>>135993490
I like it for the girls. And Araragi. And Kaiki.

>I hate X
>i will now proceed to make a thread telling people how much I hate X
Is this some new epic meme or something? I'm seeing this shit a lot lately.

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>>135993659
Yeah but at least it's funny most of the time. Just don't take them too seriously.

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>>135982741
>Fate/Zero

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>>135993748
>liking mushishit

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>>135993866
>Psycho-pass is my favorite anime

>>135992842
kek
i don't think anyone can claim haruhi is or intended to be deep with a straight face tho.

>>135992940
>monogatari failed to be deep
i don't know about deep but that kaiki fucker alone was enough to provoke my philosophy glans on a self debate on whether or not a fake can be superior to an original.

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>>135994002
>kaiki is a deep character

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>>135993866
>>135993935
>>135994146
Moar fedora pics

>>135994146

>i don't know about deep
Really you should fix your reading comprehension before you comment on characters.

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>>135994146
Can't be any deeper than Cats endless vagina.

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>>135994308
If you questioned your thoughts over the bullshit Kaiki says, which is basically Nihilism 101, then you have no right to complain about reading comprehension.

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>>135994272
Only if you call me Euler.

>>135994665
>you have no right pointing out the fact i cannot read properly if you x
You're silly.

>>135994872
eulers buckling equations a shit

Monogatari just dragged on too long. Kizu is amazing, Bake/s2 were decent and Nise was good fap material but nothing after s2 was good.

>>135981870
maybe for a japanese girl

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>>135981734
I'm sort of in the same boat OP

Having OCD - which causes me to force myself to finish anything I start;
is how I ended up on the Monogatari ride.

I recall myself watching Bakemonogatari back when it still aired, without having any prior knowledge of it.
Admittedly I didn't quite enjoy it. But I decided to give it a shot due to the somewhat unique style it had to offer.

And then as Nise came out - I naively thought that it may have something more to it. only to find myself enjoying it even less than the previous season.
That was the point where I swore I wont ever touch this franchise again.

Which held true until just a few months ago - as I kept hearing of the "Second Season" to be worth giving a shot for. Even for those who disliked the prior titles.
So here I am (after swallowing the bait) currently halfway through the said Second Season - failing to discover any improvement whatsoever.
I keep returning to it every other month - just to find myself struggling to finish even an single episode;
as my mind diveded with searching for a some kind of merit to the series within the episodes, and questioning myself for my repetitive poor decision.


Having all that said - I do have to note that Kaiki does redeem the series a little for me. Seeing as how I simply can't bring myself to like any other member of the allegedly unique cast the series offers.

And on the bright side of things - the Monogatari series taught me to never pick an airing anime ever again.

>>135997036
How do you live with crippling autism?

>>135981734
except we're pandered otaku

>>135981734
I loved the earlier seasons, but all I watch it for now are the characters. In the newer seasons the characters haven't really been doing anything interesting. I wish the occult stuff was focused on more.

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>>135981734
You didn't need to watch the whole thing to be able to say that. The reason we make judgements about a series' worthiness is so we can AVOID wasting our time watching every episode.

Fucking dumbass.

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>>135997036
Same here... well, not the autistic crap part, but just got to the second season, like 3-4 episode. The same shit over and over agai with over sexualized scenes, like everything the characters do had to be lewd stuff.

What a flop.

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>>135981734
>spending dozens of hours watching a Vietnamese stop-motion film purely out of spite
Sasuga /a/

Monogatari is pretentious garbage OP. You only have yourself to blame for spending hours watching this shitfest instead of just dropping it. The author gives no fucks about his characters and that makes him a complete hack.

>>135998753
that GoT fag doesn't seem to give a fuck about his characters either, does that mean he's a hack too?

>>135998870
Probably. I don't care about GoT but if he's as bad as Nisio then he's probably a hack too.

>>135991051
dat Senjougahara figurine around the K-On! trash.

>>136000696
But K-on! is really good, anon.

>>135982064
>Implying Monogatari isn't moeshit

>>135995151
This.
I really enjoyed Bake, Nise and most of the Second Season. However, after that, things just got stale. I tried watching Owarimonogatari but couldn't finish it because I just didn't care anymore.
Really looking forward to Kizu though.

>>136002379
During Owari I really felt like it was falling to a lot of cliches that I feel like earlier installations would have made fun of. The really shitty locked room mystery, the taking anything regarding the name Heart Under Blade seriously, it felt like I was watching an actual generic LN adaptation instead of something meta and humorous with occasional legit touching moments.

Honestly, retrospectively it's been worth watching for Hachikuji and Kaiki. I also had some hopes for corpse, but it didn't convince me to watch the series beyond Hana

>>136002718
It's always been like that you autist. Monogatari has always been otaku pandering trash. You're just one of those nostalgia faggots.

>>135992503
>>135998753
Monogatari isn't pretentious at all (you could definitely argue that parts of it's fanbase are though, sure)

how can a series be otaku pandering and pretentious at the same time anyway, make up your minds about why you dislike it before deciding why everyone else has to dislike it as well

>>136002736
I guess that makes you an intelligent, nihilist and with a wicked sense of humor pedophile. Kill yourself.

>there are people who unironically believe Monogatari has good characters

Go watch Mad Men or the Sopranos if you want actual good characters.

>>136003014
You can't kill what's already dead inside. Regardless, your /v/ meme is beyond awful.

>>135997036
>ocd
>not proofreading your post 20 times before hitting submit
Pick one.

>>136002897
Yeah, maybe it's always been like that. But in the first few installments, it still was fresh. I could actually convince myself that the autor was just fooling around with a bunch of anime stereotypes. However, as it dragged on, the novelty got lost and with it the appeal. Call it nostalgia if you will, but this is how it was for me.

>>136003111
>>>/tv/

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>>135997109

>Not being a perfectionist with unrealistic self-standards which results into having absolute zero animu backlog and transmitting the same trait into real life in order to obtain actual unprecedented achievements.
> what is masochism

Keep actually enjoying your mediocre chinese cartoons.
:^)

>>136003318
That doesn't change the fact that your generic haremshit has terrible and derivative characters.

>>135993659
Saying that you dislike X and then demanding that everyone else must also dislike X with no actual discussion being had is practically an ancient tradition on /a/ by this point, it's always been around

>>135981734
I'm not gonna argue with you on whether it's bad or not because that's entirely subjective and impossible to win an argument. However it being Otaku pandering crap? That's just rediculous. SAO is otaku pandering crap. What kind of self-insert character almost never wins fights and gets fucked up every single time? What pandering show is 90% dialogue?

>>135981870
>>135981929
>>135982130
/fit/ pls

>>135982928
>>135982922
i wish you too could stop eva with this line

>>136005499
>bumping this thread from page 10

Nice falseflagging OP

>>135982213
After the first season I only watched episodes with Kaiki on them.

>>135993549
I stopped watching because of Araragi. He was too much generic harem MC for me.