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It's out.
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>dat tweeest at the end
Fucking glorious.
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this calls for some dramatic background music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXFSK0ogeg4
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>>135975818
Can you dump the chapter?
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>>135975818
Preemptive screaming
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What were your favorite lives so far?
I liked Vann the most as a character and Lafalle's life (and relationship with Lapis) the best.>yfw one of the twins is named Rei
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>>135976169
dumping
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>>135976481
Thank you
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>>135976544
That's Mari from Hoshi no Samidare, right?
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>>135976601
Yes. She also was in Mizukami Satoshi Tanpenshuu
>>135976609
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One or two chapters left.
It was a fine ride.
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>>135976741
>>135976774
crunchyroll i swear to god, can't you even open up paint and stick it together
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>>135976911
>One or two chapters left.
What? Seriously? February or March is the end?
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>>135976911
Those two better fuck.
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Anime adaptation when?
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>>135976981
>Mizukami work
>Anime adaptation
Anon, I have bad news
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>>135976998
>wanting Mizukami to begin mainstream pandering
I'd pay money so that he never gets an anime adaptation
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>>135977048
Fuuko a cute.
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>>135977048
>>135977068
This is beautiful, Fortuna jobbing.
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>>135977049
I have bad news for the anon, not for meEven so, I would check it out
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I feel like this manga could have used more rei
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>>135976966
sorry to tell you that 2 of these girls will die or Fuuta will get a harem ending which seems unlikely.
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Rune a cute
A CUTE!
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>>135977118
Are you retarded? Rune is basically his daughter.
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>>135977083
Rereading the manga Nono is a very serious competitor.
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>>135977105
The numbers are extremely interesting - do they imply that Koko lived her lives in a different order than Fuuta?
Or do they just keep changing language?
Probably the latter, actually.
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>>135977141
Rune is Fortuna's daughter. She clearly sees them as separate people by now. Still she's tied to his body, so she either needs to die, or he gets a harem end.
Harem end doesn't always mean sexual, just 2 or more girls living out the reminder of their days with a single guy.
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>>135977165
And that's all.
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>>135977165
>Twins
Huh. And here I was expecting Rune to end up as his younger sister.
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So February or March is the end ?
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>>135977165
dat tweeest. Seriously though, what the hell ? Why did Fortuna's prediction not come through ? Alternate world lines and shit ?
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>>135977165
Happy ending incoming.
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>>135977165
We did it!
We changed the future!
I'm not sure how.
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>>135977068
Can they have an orgy in there? With female Fuuta you could get some serious gangbanging in.
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>>135977068
>one for "take the bitch out!"
>two for "damn you suck"
>the rest for "enough of this bullshit"
love these guys
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>>135976948
That's just my assumption.
I can't image this title having more that two chapters. Three at max.
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It's Rei and Rune
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>>135977216
Probably because Fortuna interfered. The only change that has happened is Fortuna hijacking the body otherwise Fuuta would have been the one doing this fight and then getting the call. Fortuna turned this into an alternate world line from the original. Watch we'll find out it's because he skipped school or something.
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>>135977068
That guy is still angry.
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>yfw they name one of the twins Rei
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>>135977068
The past lives commenting is surely amusing
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>>135977239
I think three or four, we'll probably get an epilogue cooldown chapter or two.
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>>135977216
Fortuna only saw a possible future, remember the thing with Carol time machine.
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>>135977302
Oh shit.
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>>135977165
Rei and the fire bro
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>twins
So it's going to be more reincarnations yeah?
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God this mangaka has really lost his way since biscuit hammer
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>>135977354
One of the twins is Fortuna's teacher
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>>135977263
I hope they stay around for a while, Fuuta and Kouko's relationship would be interesting if both of them retain some connection to their past reincarnation.
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>>135977361
Biscuit hammer ended with the superior waifu leaving earth to have bestiality orgies in space...
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>>135977178
I think she will be reborn as one of the twins. Fate/rune die during the battle because of the destruction of the rings, and the twins are you know who.
>>135977216
Fortuna's understanding of the universe is wrong. It's not one river, it's likely many and his attempt to diverge his river to create his own lake just ended up diverging it into another river.
Meaning that they are in another possibility or very possibly always where.
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>>135977692
Time is like an ocean in a storm.
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>>135976609
>same person can exist even in the same age
>the twins are Fuuta and Kouko future reincarnations
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>>135976966
Witch a bunch of their past lives cheering/ranting in the back of their minds
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>>135978315
Or better yet, their minds become one and make love/hate fuck each other depending on the time period.
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Anime
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>>135977361
Sprit circle > Biscuit Hammer > Sengoku Youko
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>>135979392
Agreed. Sengoku Youko is just his shounen gig.
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>>135979402
shounen gig yeah
but I kinda liked it better than BH
probably the closest series to getting an anime
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>>135979554
If anything is, SY will, but I think BH is very close to being his best work. Had it not been rushed, it would have far and away been his best.
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>>135976911
I really hope not. Ending that soon would cut Fortuna short as a character, making it almost as shitty as Samidare's ending.
But then, considering how shitty Samidare's ending (and main antagonist) was I wouldn't be terribly surprised.
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I really hope there's a scene where all the past lives meet each other for the last time. Say, when the main characters stab each other and the other lives get to exchange words.
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>>135979960
>main characters stab each other
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>>135977068
Fortuna's dumb.
Dumbbbbbbbbbb.
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>>135979554
It's better if Sengoku youko get an anime instead of Spirit circle because of inusual way to fight
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>>135979837
what the fuck? Samidare ending was the best thing of this manga.
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>>135980187
As far as relationships go, yeah it was real sweet and believable. The only odd one out was blonde girl and neet man. But the final battle was silly.
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>>135978094
Does that mean neither soul can be destroyed in this reincarnation, or have I forgotten something?
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So, basically, Fortuna is a fucking keyboard looking idiot.
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>>135980374
Since the beginning it's been established that you can't destroy the cycle. Life in this manga is eternal, thus Fortuna did nothing wrong.
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>>135980392
Nigga don't know shit about mavis beacon
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This seems interesting, I think I'm going to read it.
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>>135977165
The thing the aliens gave Fuuko's soul are going to show up now right?
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>>135977165
Thats it? Fuck. I gotta say, it was a pretty funny and lighthearted chapter.Thanks for the dump.
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>>135977246
Rei feels like the most likely one.
I know Fortuna said they would never meet Rei again, but that's exactly why I think it will be Rei.
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>>135976609
>There's a universe somewhere where everyone is the same guy's reincarnation
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>>135980477
Rune and Fate.
Calling it now. They die after the circles are destroyed, everyone is sad, realize the twins are 2 blonde kids.
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>>135980528
Calling it even deeper, Rei turns out to be Rune
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>>135977165
Fucking hype.
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>>135980187
>main antagonist is just an overpowered manchild with no interesting or redeeming qualities
>Samidare's "betrayal" that was built of since the very first fucking chapter is basically addressed like an afterthought
>golems were ultimately never anything more than mindless drones
>in summary, there was ultimately no meaningful conflict whatsoever in the entire manga, aside from a struggle to survive
Samidare's ending was god-awful. The author delivering the promised OTP couldn't make up for that. Spirit Circle ending in 3 or less chapters would most likely not be sufficient to address why so much time was spent showing that Koko is a shitty person and that Fortuna's primarily just misunderstood. Also Fuuta is still a pretty massive hypocrite.
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Why Sengoku Youko is so slow?
Also, the mangaka is going to start a new manga?
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>>135981423
>that Fortuna's primarily just misunderstood
Fortuna please. Fuuta wants to live his own life and doesn't care about Fortuna's angst, and he shouldn't.
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>>135981509
>Why Sengoku Youko is so slow?
I mean the scanlation
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>>135980528
Something about the idea of the author explaining that multiple instances of the same soul can exist in the same chapter that the two not-spirits are reincarnated really rubs me the wrong way.
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Spirit circle is his best work, biscuit hammer went to shit near the end and I dropped Sengoku Youko out of boredom ages ago, in fact it's been so long I've forgotten what the main conflict was supposed to be, what every character besides human guy looked like and what the fucking story was even about.
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>>135981514
Fuuta's willingly thrown himself into the entire situation and has spent pretty much the entire manga brooding over his past lives. It's pretty damn late for him to suddenly turn into yet another "I just want a normal life" protagonist.
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>>135981729
He wanted to understand why Koko was mad as fuck. Now that he does I think he just wants to resolve it and move on.
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>>135981729
He was being attacked, even if he dropped the pursuit of the circle Koko would still try to kill him.
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>>135981724
I thoroughly enjoyed BH's happy hugbox ending because I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff. Although, it might have been a lot more meaningful and soul-crushing if Mizukami followed through with Sami destroying the Earth, depending on how he handled the core themes in the later chapters and the lead-up to it.
Thus far, though, Spirit Circle is a lot more solid in terms of theme and world-building. I think Mizukami had trouble juggling all the characters in BH and didn't want them all to die at the end. In Spirit Circle, all of the characters in the past lives have to die by necessity, so there's less vital choice to be made here. But given the alternate timeline shenanigans being pulled off right now, it's really anyone's game for the finale.
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>>135980187
Animus was barely important in Biscuit Hammer. The entire point was to see Yuuhi's growth, which we saw and which culminated in his fights at the end. Not sure why anyone would expect more from Animus when the plot was basically just about the characters and their lives and how every so often they had to fight a golem.
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>>135977068
Seven lives later, he still mad.
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>>135981539
Is sengoku youko completed? I remember reading it when I was in middle school.
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>>135983744
Last week?
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>>135983796
Yesterday
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>>135983382
I don't even remember why he was angry anymore. She sacrificed his sister or something?
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>>135977165
Notice that Rune is conspicuously absent on that page instead of showing her absolute joy
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>>135984208
His gf was sacrificed and Kouko killed him when he tried to save her.
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>>135981423
Everyone knows the true final fight was between crow and lizard, everything else was a warmup.
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>>135983744
nop
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>>135977068
>>135977165
It was great the first time I read it, and it still is.
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which reincarnation was do you identified most with /a/? I vote the Greek guy
>never succeeded in making the thing I wanted to
>alienated from my family
>ultimately going to die without purpose
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>>135985554
But what about the part about him being wildly successful otherwise? He may not have been satisfied with himself, but he sure achieved a lot.
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>>135985676
>But what about the part about him being wildly successful otherwise?
Yeah I can't identify with that. Still he's the closest of those to be a NEET
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>>135975818
I was sure Mizukami wouldn't out-do BH, but this may even be better.
I love the themes in his works and the quirky but serious way he tackles them, and the characters are the best part, which isn't common.
I think it'll be his piromaniac of a brother and Rei who re-incarnate. I somehow feel there's more in store for Rune.
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>>135980434
What was it again?
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>>135984212
Would that mean the soul is incarnated as the baby is born? I am sensing a certain agenda in this...
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>the two reincarnations that actually know how to fight are talking about how much he sucks at fighting
>>135987855
A bugcatcher.
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>>135984212
She's behind Fuuta
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>>135976661
so much self healing
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>>135981857
That's because Koko is the one causing problems. Fortuna acts on a purely rational basis, with the sole purpose of preserving the well-being of himself and his friends. Every action he's made is with that clear purpose, without Koko's vendetta against him he no longer has any reason to become god.
Koko on the other hand is trying to kill him for the sake of revenge, and based on some poorly-defined sense of justice. She laments that Fortuna "became an enemy of mankind" but she is the one who put him in that position by foiling his attempt to lay low until the heat cooled off. The more hostile her actions the more Fortuna's actions escalate as he tries to find a way to repair the damage that she's done to their relationship.
Even in Fuuta's case. Him and Fortuna are directly at odds because Fortuna basically hijacked his body and left him to die, but the reason Fortuna did that in the first place was because he expects Koko to murder them both otherwise. Not just the typical in-universe death that will reincarnate them either, but an actual destruction of their soul that will permanently erase them from the universe, arguably a greater misdeed than any of the deaths that Fortuna has ever personally caused.
And don't even get me started on their reincarnations. Koko is a gigantic shit and much more of an antagonist to the series (as shown by Fortuna reincarnating into the goddamn protagonist) than Fortuna ever was.
Fortuna has done nothing wrong so far. Even Koko can't provide an actual reason why he is, and Fuuta hasn't done more than be a passive aggressive toward him. It'd be a really shitty conclusion if Fortuna just turns plain evil because it would directly contradict the entire manga's development to the contrary.
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>>135990214
Oh, and the entire "Stupidity is happiness/morally correct" thing they've been hinting at in recent chapters is quite possibly one of the worst messages I've ever read in a work of fiction.
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>>135990214
>Fortuna has done nothing wrong so far.
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>>135990214
I think that it's clear that Fortuna's wrong. He does nit respect human life in the slightest, perhaps because he believes it's not really a murder since on a large scale it's a tiny number of people that will eventually reincarnate. He's also.a very damaged person and a very lonely one, thus he thinks his way of "correcting" things is a valid one.
Koko on the other hand is mostly driven by a sense of guilt, not justice. She believes it's her fault he escaped at that port city and became what he is. She's not a broken person the way he is and values life way more. Though multiple lives made her desperate.
I think that it's really all Rei's fault. It could all probablye prevented had she offered Fortuna more guidance, instead of banishing him which fucked him up the most.
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>>135990214
Oh and also, only bad thing Koko did so far was always exacerbating Fortuana's misdeeds, because by trying to stop him from doing a bad thing she made him more and more extreme. So really her only fault is failure to stop him time upon time. Though you could argue that she's innocent since there's no way she could stop him. It took direct intrusion by the planet's guardian for her to overpower him.
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>>135990736
>I think that it's clear that Fortuna's wrong.
There is no objective standpoint where he can be considered such. Even the fucking cafeteria lady who lived in the city he supposedly massacred clearly favored him over the one trying to kill him.
>He does nit respect human life in the slightest
[citation needed]
Fortuna has very clearly defined priorities, every time he's killed was with a clear purpose in mind. The only possible exception is the second town he attacked with skeletons, but he was directly driven to that point by Koko's attempt on his own life.
>He's also.a very damaged person and a very lonely one, thus he thinks his way of "correcting" things is a valid one.
Whose to say that it isn't? Fortuna is nothing more than a scientist. If his actions follow the same pattern as his intellectual reincarnations then the perceived wrongness in his actions is nothing more than his discovery threatening the established social order.
If it weren't for Fortuna, humanity would still be a tribal society sacrificing it's own peoples with elders that know it's effectively a scam. If that would have still ended without Fortuna, then you're effectively admitting that it's only a matter of time before someone else executes his plan successfully, and that it's the natural conclusion for humanity.
>Koko on the other hand is mostly driven by a sense of guilt, not justice
That's not what she claims. That would mean that she's not only poorly defined in her cause, but also downright dishonest about it.
>She believes it's her fault he ... became what he is.
Well she'd be right. What she's wrong about is thinking that trying to kill him has made the situation better for anyone whatsoever.
>I think that it's really all Rei's fault. It could all probablye prevented had she offered Fortuna more guidance, instead of banishing him which fucked him up the most.
She probably realized she was wrong, which is why she wanted to see him on her deathbed in the first place.
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You are trying too hard.
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>>135991389
Killing 20.000 people in order to heal your friend is in no universe normal, okay, or anything other than downright sociophatic.
Even if his purpose is scientific advancent on behalf of himanity, which it is not, killing literally dozens of thousands of people is not justified.
About humanity being tribal, we don't know if he improved anything. Fortuna is his last, 7th life in the timeline. It comes after the black hole bomb incident and near human extinction. He personaly stopped sacrifice rituals in a small Aztec village/country which in no way benefitted the humanity as a whole.
So really all his plan did was kill a bunch of people and fail to kill even more.
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>>135991225
Koko was morally inferior to Fortuna the moment she wasn't able to provide a valid moral reason for opposing Fortuna and then proceeded to do so anyway. Her own hysterical, irresponsible actions were what escalated the conflict to a universal scale, and caused the deaths of the people in the cities after the first.
This is further reflected in their reincarnations, where Koko rarely takes on the role of a corrupt social order. As a character she is directly opposed to the idea of progress in nearly every sense. She fell in love with Fuuta because he was too simpleminded to create the progress she fears so much, and yet would use that same window of mental, physical, and emotional (due to the news of his mother and brother dying) weakness to kill him.
She is almost completely and utterly morally reprehensible, and it would be a failure of the author if she isn't forced to face this.
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They are both miserable person inside but one is saving the current world, I'll take the latter.
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Why are you guys replying at bait?
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>>135991852
where Koko often takes on the role representing a corrupt social order*
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>>135991852
First of all his goal is not progress. Except maybe his own selfish one.
Second, she is not opposed to the idea of progress. She's opposed to the idea of killing so many(or any at all) people. You can see this as well in her life as that ninja for example. And she accepts progress in the form of Carol, a bloody superhuman more ingenious than Fortuna. She comew to even love her quite quickly.
You're claiming that Fortuna has a just cause for killing so many people, and that's simply not the case.
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>>135991728
>So really all his plan did was kill a bunch of people and fail to kill even more.
You know without love it can´t be seen.
You´re wrong.Even the definition of killing is vague in this serie.
Is turning someone into a living skeleton killing him?
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>>135991728
>Killing 20.000 people in order to heal your friend is in no universe normal, okay, or anything other than downright sociophatic.
How many universes do you personally know? Any where reincarnation has been scientifically proven to exist? Even on this planet, do you realize how fucking often human beings do the same thing for equal or lesser reasons? If it were feasibly possible to do so, many civilizations would gladly destroy one 20,000 times their size for the sake of their peoples' well-being. Nuclear arms are restricted for this exact reason.
>Even if his purpose is scientific advancent on behalf of himanity, which it is not, killing literally dozens of thousands of people is not justified.
He uses scientific advancement as a means of establishing his own well-being, just like all scientific establishment in human history. Personal success is generally a better motivator than "the good of humanity", but it still drives progress and creates good for humanity regardless.
>About humanity being tribal, we don't know if he improved anything. Fortuna is his last, 7th life in the timeline. It comes after the black hole bomb incident and near human extinction. He personaly stopped sacrifice rituals in a small Aztec village/country which in no way benefitted the humanity as a whole.
So really all his plan did was kill a bunch of people and fail to kill even more.
And you've completely missed my point for bringing it up in the first place.
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>>135991907
I just binged the series and liked jt pretty much liked it so I feel like discussing it, even this way. Also keeping the thread alive.
I'm done though, this is so blatantly wrong I can't continue.>>135992236
>>135992339
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>>135992049
>First of all his goal is not progress. Except maybe his own selfish one.
Human society is driven by selfish progress. You do realize that science isn't charity work, right?
And Carol is the worst fucking example for you to bring up. Lapis spent Carol's entire life telling her to not use her superhuman abilities or genius, to hide her talents, and to be a "normal" person. Guess what? Carol told her to fuck off, ultimately sided with Lafalle on that matter, and decided to pursue her talents and interests.
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>>135992049
>She's opposed to the idea of killing so many(or any at all) people
Except Fuuta, the most innocent. Had she not threatened him with the spirit circle, he would go about his life happily.
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>>135990214
Why didn't Koko just say "I don't think saving him was worth killing 20,000 people"?
Literally this entire fiasco could have been avoided if she simply directly opposed Fortuna's opinion instead of going full retard and setting the town against him.
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>>135992777
He killed those before she found out what he was going to do. She met him returning from a city burning in the distance.
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>>135991728
Why do you keep acting like killing some arbitrary number of people is, on its own, inherent proof of evil? Are you naive enough to believe that all human lives are equal? That a serial child rapist's life is equal in value to the savior of mankind?
If you don't think so, then how do you think that whose life is worth more gets to be decided? Would Fortuna, as someone so intellectually advanced that he is even capable of singlehandedly wiping out 20,000 people in the first place, not be the most qualified person to choose that it's worthwhile to do so?
Whose to say that those cities wouldn't have just caused their own direction before long anyway, with their rampant consumption and destruction of environmental spiritual materials as pointed out by Rei?
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>>135992986
I'm referring to the image in >>135990214
Fortuna directly asked Koko's opinion on his actions, but she didn't take that opportunity to tell him that she thinks what he did was wrong.
She had a chance to set him on the right path on that moment, but she let it pass. She then proceeds to blame him for everything that happened, when she herself couldn't speak out against her actions. Koko is a hypocrite.
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>People think Laffalle was right but Fortuna is wrong
Irony
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>>135992777
Koko couldn't answer was because deep down she actually did agree with him. It would explain why she feels so abnormally guilty on the matter. It's not normal for a person to get that personally invested in the lives of complete strangers, and in their confrontation at the skeleton city she clearly felt more affected by "what Fortuna had become" than "the crimes Fortuna committed".
Koko is so personally driven to kill Fortuna because she believes he represents evil that exists within her own heart.
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This is some high level shitpoting.
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>>135994024
Lafalle
>blowed up the whole planet in an attempt to free souls, misguided good person
Fortuna
>tries to destroy the universe and become god, just a sociopath
There's one huge difference.
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>>135994374
Maybe I remember it wrong, but Lafalle wasn't the one blowing up the whole planet right?
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>>135994024
>Lafalle kills millions of people on a hypothesis that turns out to be false
>Fuuta still backs him up
>Fortuna kills a few thousand, successfully creates proof-of-concept for immortality
>Fuuta hates his guts
God damn it Fuuta.
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>>135994024
From Laffale's perspective he was doing the roght thing for others. Even though the author noted that it's wrong to live for others(strangers) in the last chapter, that was not an act of selfishness or malice.
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>>135994374
If one guy with a lot of free time can become god then it's pretty fucking inevitable anyway. Better Fortuna than some megalomaniac like the Biscuit Hammer villain.
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>>135994374
>sociopath
t. someone with no understanding of psychology whatsoever
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>>135994481
You're right it was that terrorist group, and it didn't blow up. They created that giant black crater from Fortuna's time.
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>>135994514
Literally the exact same thing can be said for Fortuna.
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>>135994725
>>135994481
Considering Lafalle directly cooperated with that terror group, he's still very responsible for what happened.
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>>135994802
That's true, but I'm sure he didn't want to destroy the whole world.
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>>135994802
Wasn't it rather that Lafalle cooperated with a group that tried to stop a bunch of people from using a black hole weapon in the first place?
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>>135994802
What the fuck read the fucking manga.
He collaborated with the faction in the group that was trying to prevent the disaster but failed.
>>135994747
He did everything for himself. Even saving East was recompensating for his failure in youth and fighting his inner demons.
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>>135994839
Are crimes committed through ignorance and irresponsibility somehow less harmful than the same crime committed intentionally?
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>>135994594
It's not one guy with lots of free time. It's a genius with the theories he invented himself. It took humanity more than 10k years to come up with electricity, imagine how long it would take to come up with a theory to be god. If it wasn't for Fortuna, it most likely would never have happened.
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>>135994941
>He did everything for himself. Even saving East was recompensating for his failure in youth and fighting his inner demons.
Not wanting to re-experience the same pain he did when he lost one of the only people close to him is "his inner demons"?
>He did everything for himself.
There's no basis to this whatsoever. His passion for science took a back seat to his life with East, Koko, and Rune, and he personally asks them several times about how they feel about his actions and is clearly troubled by it.
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>>135994952
Yes. One is not evil.
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How does one create a black hole bomb? CERN?
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>>135995547
It's the future.
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>>135995389
Technological advancement grows at an exponential rate, and Fortuna was born in an era that is unimaginably advanced compared to our own. Fortuna isn't the special snowflake you think he is. There's no indication that he's not just another period visionary like Fone.
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>>135994802
Lafalle didn't actually cooperate with them. He just knew they existed because of his brother and didn't report it to the higher-ups.
His own plans had nothing to do with the terrorist group and was just a collaboration with the other tower administrators.
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>>135995719
>unimaginably advanced compared to our own
They still use fucking swords to kill each other, the only difference is they're trying ti use spiritual power instead of electricity. He's clearly a genius.
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>>135995471
You didn't answer the question.
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>>135995706
How hard can it be? Hold the planet hostage or unleash death within the minute.
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>>135995822
If you saved a young Hitler, not knowing what he would become, would that still be a crime of ignorance? Because that's what you're arguing here.
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>>135995873
You do realize that's basically the entire plot to Monster right?
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>>135995873
That guy who didn't allow Adolf to enter Art School is worse than Hitler.
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>>135995925
Yes and?
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>>135994504
>successfully creates proof-of-concept for immortality
But he doesn't? It's shown time and time again that Fortuna's ideas are not perfect. Whenever it comes to his grand schemes, there is something he misunderstands or does not consider (such as Animus' interference, the ramifications of the existence of parallel worlds). There is no reason to believe his plan would actually work.
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>>135976504
Now I know what Fortuna was doing here. He's shitposting in this thread.
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>>135995976
bet he chased him down first?
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>>135995808
>They still use fucking swords to kill each other
What? Fortuna's civilization was peaceful as fuck until he happened.
Well, aside from the whole killing the planet and probably causing the disease that killed Rei and East thing, anyway.
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>>135995873
Wrong analogie.
Saving someone is Never wrong.
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>>135996016
How is East not immortal? He even survived fucking time travel.
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>>135996038
If not worse. I would.
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>>135996059
Peaceful yes, but guards were equipped with swords/spears/shields etc.
>>135996121
Exactly, and Laffale was saving souls of those unable to die or live. Even God came down and told him to do it, or rather not to pervert the concept of death, as humanity needs it.
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>>135995986
My point is the guy that saved Hitler's life very clearly felt responsible for his crimes, and didn't just say "NOT MY PROBLEM LOL I DIDN'T KNOW"
By the way, crimes of negligence and being charged damages for accidents is also completely standard in the real world too. You are considered fully responsible for your fuckups.
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>>135996122
Because he isn't alive in the first place. He's a fucking ghost.
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>>135996239
Saving a kid is not a fuck up.
The only way he could've know what Johan was going to become was if he were omniscient.
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>>135996132
Hitler was spared three times you know.
>abortion
>nearly choked on gas in the trenches
>a soldier spared his life and thanked him later.
Shocking truth!
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>>135996239
Only if you are in power to change the situation.
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>>135996271
What is alive?
If i can´t move my body except my mouth and never age am i still alive?
If yes than east is not real different.
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>>135996202
A peaceful civilization has little to no need for advanced weaponry. Nobody calls europeans uncivilized just because their cops carry truncheons instead of firearms.
And besides, the spirit technology shit is clearly far outside anything human society is capable of anyway, making your point completely moot. Saying Fortuna is a one-of-a-kind prodigy is nothing but empty conjecture and directly contradicts the themes developed through the story.
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>>135996429
>you realise god saved hitler three times
Maybe it´s all a misunderstanding and he was the hidden messias of the jews.
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>>135996271
If something is sentient and capable of interacting with living beings or the physical plane then it is for all intents and purposes alive.
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I don't think I've ever seen this much bait and shitposting in a Mizukami thread. /a/ is dead.
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>>135996296
Tenma certainly didn't see it that way.
>>135996448
Are you implying Lafalle didn't?
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>>135996656
An intellectual society would have stuff similar to schools, colleges and other institutions to nurture talents like his.
In their entire city they had one expert on it and he became her apprentice, like a blacksmiths.
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>>135996777
I know right? 4 chapters ago Koko was hated. Where did all these fags come from?
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>>135996704
And Netanyahu changed his story claiming a Palestinian man told hitler to wage genocide.
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>>135996834
>Tenma
Yes, but it's just guilt. Objectively he was not wrong.
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Not enough hentai
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>>135996962
Hitler also believed he was doing the morally correct thing, you know.
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>>135997095
>Objectively
He was a doctor who performed an operation on an injured kid thus saving his life.
Then later started doubting it as it horribly backfired, though it wasn't his fault in any way that it backfired.
While Hitler was wrong and believed he was right. So a polar opposite of my example.
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>>135996709
>capable of interacting with living beings or the physical plane
East can't actually interact with the physical plan and anyone other than two specific people. He's no more alive than a shared hallucination.
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>>135996851
That depends entirely on the demand for educated individuals and technological advancement. If they were living in what they believed to be a low- or post-scarcity society then further development isn't going to be high in demand. Excess resources would also explain there being low enough competition to arbitrary ban entire branches of study.
And really, you're completely avoiding the point. Any civilization where it's even physically possible for a child to create a being with human-level intelligence from a fucking rock is not even remotely comparable to our own.
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>>135997234
Or maybe that very child isn't even remotely comparable to any other?
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>>135997295
What Fortuna did at the time, while impressive for a child, was in no way something new and revolutionary. It's heavily implied that people have done it before, hence why it became a taboo.
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>>135997158
Tenma didn't just save a child's life, he let someone die on his ignorant, subjective opinion that the child's life was more valuable.
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>>135997295
Rei immediately recognized what he did and expelled him for it. No "Fortuna is a special snowflake" there.
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>>135996917
People were waiting for Fortuna to reveal the reasons why he did everything.
They have all the information they need to shitpost about him now.
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>>135997400
Not really, he chose the child because the child was supposed to be operated next. Then the hospital director came and told him to operate the rich guy because he was more important to the hospital, which he refused because "his life is not worth more because of money" or something along these lines.
I'm not 100% that the rich guy died, but I honestly don't remember.
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>>135995547
More importantly, WHY would someone create one? To research such a thing requires a team of experts, not just a lunatic that wants to kill everyone. Why would a team of experts research something that the only purpose is to end all life on earth?
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>>135997618
I'm pretty sure he did die, because Tenma got badly punished, was left by the director's cunt daughter, and then he said the "if only that bastard were dead" line by Johan's bedside.
But really, either way, it was an arbitrary judgement call by Tenma to operate on the child against orders. A capitalist would probably argue that the rich man being able to pay enough to skip in line was in fact an objective indicator of his value to society, and that his well-being would benefit future patients through the hospital. The fact that the child Tenma arbitrarily chose to prioritize turned out to be the anti-christ was pretty much just poetic justice.
tl;dr Tenma was a dumbass.
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>>135997965
Same thing like manhattan project.
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>>135997965
Warfare. Warfare is arguably the single largest driving force behind technological advancement. That applying to weapons technology as well is a given.
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>>135997984
I just read what happened during first 2 episodes to remind myself.
In ep1 he listened to the director and saved some opera singer instead of a Turk who later died. Due to guilt he refused to do the same later when the Mayor arrived after Johan and thus saved Johan while the Mayor died.
It's a moral argument if he was right or not, but a doctor should not make such harsh decisions and simply do his job, and that is operate the first critically injured patient without giving any advantage due to social status.
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>>135997984
>Tenma was a communist.
Fixed
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>>135998206
>and that is operate the first critically injured patient without giving any advantage due to social status.
A doctor's job is the same as anyone else's job: To do what your employer fucking says.
If Tenma wanted to play by his own rules then he should have found an employer that would allow him to do so or self-employed.
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>>135994952
Is there no difference between 1st degree murder and manslaughter to you?
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>>135998008
>>135998056
It is very different. You can size a nuke, but not a black whole. Once it i active, it will just destroy everything, including the one who activated it. So it is more like suicide bombing. It is hard to imagine some organization with the expertise to develop such a thing actually wanting to do so.
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>>135998335
The only difference between 1st degree murder and manslaughter is the assessed level of future threat that the defendant presents to society should they remain free. The crime is functionally identical, setting aside things like cruelty of the methods used.
Learn2law, anon.
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>>135998506
Plenty of cases where someone will likely never kill again, but it's still 1st or 2nd degree murder. Plenty of people also don't go to jail for accidental deaths and continue to cause accidents.
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>>135997488
But we've known his reasons from the Fortuna flashback. The only thing new from recent chapters is seeing how Fuuta responds to his story.
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>>135998934
He's one of the >did nothing wrong
characters. I guess that's to blame for this amount of shit.
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>>135998354
I just googled around and found out that the CERN experiment could create some blackholes too but they didnt stop doing the research.
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>>135977257
>>135983382
Now I want to see Koko's past lives comments and see if the Witch is as salty as the hothead
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>>135998809
Nobody said that it's executed well.
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>>135999092
The black holes they'd create at CERN wouldn't affect anything.I know that isn't really the point you're making but it flagged up my autism
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>>135999036
Sounds about right. The hiatus after 38 probably caused an abnormally large influx of new readers and the level of discourse went completely to shit.
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>>135999187
How so? a black hole is a black hole. If shit gets too big we are dead just like if a black hole bomb research gone wrong or tested.
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>>135998354
>You can size a nuke, but not a black whole
>black whole
>whole
>can't be sized
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>>135999398
Because without an already existing enormous mass the black hole will be unstable and vanish in a matter of nanosecods. It's physically impossible to create an actually dangerous black hole on Earth.
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>>135999499
Well there you go, researching on how to build a black hole bomb seems safe small scale but if they made one, I assume we already got some way to get the fuck out of the way first hopefully and the scientist probably got dibs on it.
If there is another place humanity can go, black hole as a weapon isnt that bad.
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>>135995873
But Hitler did nothing wrong.Like Fortuna:^)
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>>135999776
You should consider that "small scale" in the cosmic context means. A black hole with the mass of Earth would be the size of a marble and also vanish within seconds. Unless we got to BLAME! levels of bullshit tech and could compress fucking stars or find some way to create a singularity that sucks in mass from another dimension, a black hole weapon is impossible.
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>>135997965
Same reason most bombs are developed: They were originally a constructive technology that was weaponized.
Sort of like how Fortuna created the spriit circle to save East's life, and Koko decided to use it as the first weapon in history capable of entirely obliterating a soul.
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I have a really bad feeling about this "multiple instances of the same soul can exist" shit. On one hand, it makes a good end with Fortuna/Fuuta/Koko/Koko all alive feasible. On the other hand, it also makes all sorts of really wonky bullshit like Rei and Koko being the same person possible.
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>>135998354
Perhaps they feared the perversion of life threatened by recent scientific progress to the point that complete obliteration was preferable to it coming back.
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>>136000661
Koko being Rei was hinted a lot already and this basically confirms it, if anything.
>Koko was originally named Rei
>living with Koko is how Fortuna got over Rei's death
>the moment Koko bails on him he falls off the wagon again
>Vann has a good life raising Rei
>Rei is the goddess of war, and Koko is always trying to kill him
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