Sup /a/, just finished up watching the last episode of Eureka 7 and I need something to feel the void in my heart, and while we're on the topic why the fuck is AO hated so much? Just finished the first episode and it doesn't look too bad at all really.
How? I mean I'm reading these reviews and it looks like a bunch of retards over the internet just desperately wanted BONES to canonize some neckbeard's shitty EurekaXRenton fanfiction. Or they desperately try to compare AO to the original series when it's meant to be a deviation.
Fuck you Anemone and Dominic was so fucking forced it wasn't even funny. There wasn't even any building like there was for Renton and Eureka. Anemone was an unlikeable spoiled brat and Dominic was a beta bitch-boy. It felt like they just wanted to shove it in there at the end to please the fanfiction writers.
>E7 is AIGHT
You obviously cant appreciate true love fucking asexaul
God you don't know how bad I want another Eureka 7 show. AO was so bad and delivered in such an awful way that I feel like BONES really didn't do credit to Renton and Eureka as characters. They abandoned literally EVERY plot device from the original series that made it great and fucked with original concepts like Scub Coral and Seven Swells and made them all shitty and confusing. And don't get me started on fucking interdimensional time travel bullshit and Secrets, like seriously what the fuck?
>and while we're on the topic why the fuck is AO hated so much?
Remember the whole plot about how Renton and Eureka, a human and Coralian, falling in love to prove that the two species can come to an understanding?
AO retcons that and makes Dewey objectively right. All Coralian/Human hybrid kids turn to stone statues in E7's atmosphere
Don't watch AO. Or watch up to the midway point. I understand the impetus for a sequel to deviate from its parent but AO in its later episodes just shits on everything E7 tried to accomplish.
Eureka 7 music party
Yeah I watched the series a second time too, that doesn't make it good though. All I wanted was another series that focused on the aftermath of the second SOL, AO was a good character but he was put in an environment with characters that just felt dead, like they had no substance at all. Also wasn't it the point at the end of the first series that Renton and Eureka were supposed to prove that Humans and Corallians can co exist by having the Human-Corallian hybrid child? If that's the case then doing the whole "back in time in a different timeline" thing just kind of fucked over the original series in the most un-interesting kind of ways. I don't know, I don't know how I feel about AO but it's likely nothing positive. I don't have the same feelings that E7 gave me.
Time reset fucks every relationship Ao's ever built in the series in his own timeline, rendering them actually pointless - nobody remembers or even knows who he is.
The brown girl is going to be around 40 since she didn't time travel, and the blonde girl he'll likely never meet.
That and it's never explained who the fuck Johansson is, since he was supposed to arrive to Ao's timeline via time slip, but supposedly Ao "fixed" that by making it so the Scub never traveled to the past, thus making it impossible for Johansson to arrive in that timeline. Yet after all that, his book is still present in the past (somehow), either meaning BONES fucked up, or Ao fucked up as the time slips still occur.
And that's just part of it what I hated about it. I'd still watch it, but it certainly left a shitty taste in my mouth. I just treat it as an alt. universe that has no bearing on the original series any (like the movie).
I tuned out after episode 13, "phenomenon of the disappearing scub corals" killed it completely for me. I thought all the Scub Corals left with the Nirvash at the end of the original series? Just tiny changes that eventually tore the entire thing to shit halfway through made me hate the series and it's writers.
Well Dominic had feelings for her almost from the get go, Anemone only developed feelings for him after he left her side towards the end. My only problem is that it felt hella rushed in at the end with only a few eps, they could've done it much better if they give them a few more moments together earlier on. But I didnt really mind either of them and I have a weak spot for forced happy endings.
She turned me off permanently when she was licking that red Jam shit off all over her face, I don't know it just grossed me the fuck out and every time she appeared after that she was slobbering uncontrollably or had a manic look in her eye that made me worried that if she ever gave me head she'd bite my dick off like a rabid dog.
All Eurekas are best Eureka.
>makes Dewey objectively right
Well not really? Dewey just wanted to eradicated the Coralians because Earth was mankind's homeland and he didn't want to share. I don't think he ever got into his opinion of Human-Coralian hybrids.
The whole toxic to hybrids atmosphere thing is such bullshit anyway. The fact that Renton and Eureka can even reproduce means that Eureka just has an altered human genome in her, where the fuck does "sensitivity to trapar that results in hardening insides" part come from?
God AO sucked. The writers were hacks to begin with but hacking up Eureka Seven to cobble together AO's convoluted bullshit is just unacceptable.
Actually come to think of it all Eurekas are best Eureka except for MILF Eureka who is bestest Eureka.
Though Eureka was a MILF from the get-go? Even through adoption...
Wild dogs need love too.
>I promise to protect you Eureka!
>No it's okay if I kill Eureka by doing some weird shit with this weird quartz gun shit thing because Eureka knew what she was signing on for
>Besides it's our responsibility!
>Okay dad, mom! I'm going to kill myself to save you!
>Oh by the way secrets will never have existed which means the Scubs will have never had any reason to enter my timeline to escape them!
>Meaning I will likely never have existed making the entire plot of AO completely pointless!
I hated AO
As is the case with sequels. If you're not pandering to the original audience then you might as well be making a new IP. But I guess that takes more effort. So why not just bastardize an old IP with some writer who isn't invested in the original story's script instead?
AO practically went out of its way to avoid anything that made the original likable, then took a big steaming apricot-jelly shit all over the original. Then it killed Chiaki Omigawa's career.
But at least we got Fleur, Elena and Noah
>When Ao is about to fly into the Scub Coral and Fleur is begging for him not to go
>Ao says he'll be back and they'll all celebrate or somet shit
>And he's about to say he loves her
>feed cuts out
M A D
>you will never lift with your qt coralian gf in the orange afternoon skies to this song
stop torturing me man reality blows
goodnight gotta sleep for a job i hate for shit pay then go to a shit school with shit teachers then come back here and shitpost
When it comes to entertainment I'm usually easygoing and don't get bothered too easily, but Ao left me pissed. Whichever wise guy had the bright idea of creating a sequel with none of the original production crew should be permanently ejected from the world of animation.
And that movie... ugh.
Why can't they just make proper E7?
Besides, I see another, proper E7 series coming fairly soon. Honestly the fan reaction to AO had BONES in a tail spin. In the poll the posted on their facebook page asking what fans wanted to see next the majority of people said they wanted an E7 series that focused on AO being raised with Renton and Eureka and had more of a "after the fact" premise with the old crew of the Gekko.
Everything that AO was not.
Seven Swell is a bust of Trapar Waves that occurs when the two pilots of a Nirvash with an Archetype come into an emotional agreement. It's basically just a giant burst of visible, colorful trapar waves. But AO made it seven pillars of light instead and made it that the Swells "take people back in time to other dimensions" and is how Renton had been travelling to other dimensions looking for Eureka and Ao.
Well buckle up buckaroo we just might see one in the next few years, but it'll probably be a while if ever. I can't imagine BONES not wanting to rectify that aborted pile of shit that was Astral Ocean.
Fat chance, anon. E7 always struggled to with their franchise efforts but AO has killed any chance of that happening.
Fuck you Bones for ruining one of my favorite series. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Final form > Milf > Movie > 1st form > cancer but I love them all
The movie is fine besides using supporting cast members as random assholes and at least has an interesting idea and some neat references behind it. It's not what people signed up for but it's an interesting movie to think about and fits with the ideas of the people who created the franchise.
AO is none of those things, it uses main cast members and existing terms in retarded ways as part of primary continuity, its ideas are all fucking retarded and don't hold up to any scrutiny (nor ever have a point), and the references are random and entirely nonsensical. It's like a -really- shitty version of Nadesico more than Eureka Seven.
The game sidestory was pretty good for the budget and development quality the games had, it was a nice bit of story within the universe with a slightly more military robot bent but at the same time some even more wacky hippy shit. Not sure how the manga version is.
The manga had some nice highlights - expanded development of Dominic and Anemone is probably the best part of it - but otherwise it destroyed everything that made E7 good, much like AO. But in a massacred version of the main story, not a spinoff. For goodness sakes, in the manga the scub coral are literally coral from Earth's oceans that got twisted and sentiented via pollution and are now straight-up evil and want to wipe out humanity. Eureka vanishes with the coral in the end, leaving Renton forever alone. Dominic also dies, leaving Anemone in a wheelchair also forever alone. Pretty sure there's a bunch of other terrible crap like that as well, but I can't remember all the details.
Still, for a big fan of E7 I'd still recommend it, just for the expanded Anemone/Dominic development which you can cut out from the rest and treat as canon.
I'll never understand how they took the wonderful story from E7 and stomped on it the way they did in AO
They had a perfect opportunity to expand upon the existing lore and characters and went the ass backwards route instead
Oh, also Eureka and Anemone actually meet and spend some time hanging out in the manga. That was pretty interesting to watch. They never actually meet face-to-face in the entire show after all.
Ohh that one.
Funny thing, I bought that one with the main manga in english like ten years ago when I first started getting into anime/manga. Still haven't read it yet. Really wish I'd read the main series manga before buying it though, dang. Lesson learned.
Not that I've bought any kind of manga since then anyways.
Pretty good except instead of renton and eureka having a happy ending together
she dies and he's left as a lonely sad sack.Really did not care for that, not one fucking bit.
The art was defiantly the saving grace of the manga. Some pages are just amazing.
>mfw Naru just got worse and worse as a character
There's so many problems with AO that Truth alone is only a small part of it.
The only good thing about the entire show is adult Renton who looks like a combination of best personal traits of Holland without his midlife crisis and anger issues.
Yeah AO was bad but Fleur was a best girl
Anybody remember the days AO was airing and as it got worse over time we ended up having delusion threads? Those were fun
>Why is bones so utterly incapable of recreating any of the magic that the original TV series had?
Because there was no magic to begin with, you were just too young and new at the time to realize how derivative E7 was.
All I wanted to see is grown up Eureka and Renton going on an adventure on Nirvash V3 and doing wacky shit.
>The movie is fine
>Reused animation from TV series
>Plot makes no fucking sense >Unremarkable OST
>Ending is balls
It is funny to see the double standards applied here.
The orignal show was good but it seems like they stumbled into the plot that people liked. Her name was going to have to do with finding her memories that were scattered in seven places. During the anime run it seemed like they figured out the romance was going to be the main drive of the show.
The movie was awful
>and while we're on the topic why the fuck is AO hated so much?
They had 24 episodes to establish and conclude a plot.
They used about 3 episodes for that with the rest being battle of the week and every 4th episode having some mild bit of foreshadowing for something that gets dropped or resolved offscreen anyway.
Most people as it was airing assumed it would be 50 episodes again because it was going fucking nowhere and we didn't have an exact episode count officially until right at the end.
>Was the anime good?
If you mean the original series, you seriously need to watch it. Episode 50 is magic and entirely captured what the series was building up to from the very start.
If you mean Ao, no.
I think calling it "derivative" is a bit much. There's no problem with being unoriginal, there's nothing new under the sun and all. What's important is that you take some idea and implement it well. Eureka Seven did this, and the series has held up for me rewatching it after having seen many other series.
Even if you can easily compare points to sources of inspiration, it feels like its own work and that is what matters to me.
More like had key moments embedded throughout that made people forget what a slog it was, notice how people never actually talk about the plot in E7 just the characters. Its a perfect example of more isn't always better and had the series kept its grounded coming of age boy meets girl meets robot story rather than just another Evangelion-esque plot in the second half it would have been better. AO would have been better if they have just stuck with the MotW format they were going with originally instead of the Orguss-esque plot that it became it also had "too many cooks" syndrome when it was obvious that they had too much to work with on their plate which is why so many elements and characters wind up not mattering that and the lack of key moments to make people forget about the mess of the plot didn't help it much.
Agreed the parts that I like are all the characters mostly the Gekkostate.
Would have been much happier with a gundam style story instead of trying to do the whole alien intelligence part. It even might have been okay when they find they were on earth all along and all the metaphysical stuff could have just been meaningless junk. With Eureka and Renton facing the fact they don't have a greater purpose but just each other.