the Bog arc fucking sucks. It's just thing after thing after thing, and predictable failure after predictable failure. Over and fucking over again. This is unbearably boring and unengaging to watch, really a far cry from the rest of the show
>just 10 episode
Nigger have you watched any shounenshit? The same arc drags for 20+ episodes
Also, each episode of the Bog arc had a new development
It's not like they were doing the same shit again and again
Don't defend the Bog, anon.
The Bog was the worst part of the show. Twice as long as it should have been. The should have just created a third challenge for Kaiji to solve in the time that it took.
>The same arc drags for 20+ episodes
Yeah, if you're watching the fucking big 3 ass face.
Filler this long is fucking inexcusable in a seasonal show. Next you're going to say that the Endless 8 was a cinematic masterpeice.
why are you trying to move the flag here? I've never watched bleach/one piece/naruto, and i don't really care how they go. I was having an absolutely fantastic time with kaiji up until the bog arc, most everything before that was suspenseful and well done. the bog arc just has none of it
Are you really defending the bolg?It's universally agreed that this arc has atrocious pacing, anon. Half of the episodes consist of the characters literally repeating the same things, the same intern monologues and of Kaiji losing and getting desperate 50500302 times. It's just the definition of boredom, repetition and drag and it happened because Madhouse decided to adapt just two arcs in 26 episodes.
I think that everyone can agree that Season 2 was worse than season 1 as a whole, but at least the first arc was decent, while the second(bolg)was just terrible in almost every aspect.
It's hyperbole, anon, don't take it to heart.
But yes, case in point. Much of the bog was painfully repetitive. Previous arcs of kaiji would deliver multiple plot points per episode. The bog would only deliver one every 20 minutes and then harp about the implications of that plot advance the whole time.
Like I said before every fucking episode of the Bog had a new development
There wasn't any episode where some new piece of information is encountered and the status quo changes
What do books have to do with anything?
Are you saying that reading too much somehiw made you incapable of recognizing poor pacing? I read a lot, and you're the only one with this problem.
So?The endless eight is the best example possible of something that dragged more than it should. Although Endless eight is arguably a worse offender, it's nonetheless a fair comparison to the bolg's arc.
Endless Eight was shit because they literally just used the footage of the previous episodes in the after episodes
If the subsequent episodes added a new development; the I would've been satisfied
Actually, endless 8 was fairly meticulous about not reusing footage and maintaining different camera angles even if the scene itself was the same. It's the one impressive saving grace.
The complete lack of any development and a wasted budget of reanimating the same scene over and over again was disgusting though.
I do like The Bog, but it could've benefited from one or two less episodes. Then the pacing would've evened out a lot.
>people who filler
I'll never understand this. It's like they hate story and character development. If you want flashing lights and high-speed action, then play some shitty video-game for Christ's sake.
The anime adapted the manga perfectly; it didn't leave anything out and also had no filler
Also, what does your argument even imply?
>Buraiden Gai never got an anime
>zero never got an anime
>Ten doesn't have an anime
>no zero anime
>no Gin to Kin
This is just wish fulfillment
>changing camera angles=new footage
But it was extremely faithful to the manga
I actually watched the manga and read the anime side by side
It had almost all of the scene the manga had
You cannot be serious. How can you watch that shit and not realize that it was purposely dragged by Madhouse to fill the 26 episodes?That's also the reason why there's a recap episode in the middle and also why it seems that the same thing is happening in half of the episodes. Next you are going to say that the last Akagi arc had good pacing.
And I'm okay with that.
But that still demonstrates how inconsistently the arcs were paced. One could have been solved in 5 episodes. Another takes an entire season.
because I read the manga side by side while watching the anime and I found that the anime didn't add any filler and it didn't cut anything out
well, it did cut out Hyoudou's prologue speech (that was alluded to in the OP), shortened Endou's encounter with Kaiji and removed a scene of Sakazaki showing Kaiji his old house
>Bog arc was consistent with manga from what I remember.
How does that make a difference?
If the pacing was poor in the manga, then it's natural that it would be poor in the anime unless the director made excecutive decisions to extend or limit it during adaptation.
>I read the manga side by side
There's your problem, retard.
The anime doesn't add filler, it just stretches out what's already in the manga. There's plenty of times you'd have to slow down on the manga reading to let the anime catch up
I don't think you have the right idea of what footage means.
Among the Endless Eight episodes, so-called identical scenes were composed and animated separately, and the voice acting was also separate.The script was very similar, but it was realized differently every time.
Reusing footage would have meant copying the video and/or audio tracks.
Ok then what about developments?
The subsequent episodes didn't reveal anything new to us.
It wasn't like Kyon kept the memories of his previous day of the loop
It's not that he tried doing things differently in the subsequent episodes
Compare that to Kaiji's Bog arc where every episode had a new development
Well, that's what proper direction and conversio to anime form will do
Just look at David adaptation of JJBA
They literally copy pasted panels from the manga and went with still scenes
Just look how half assed it was
Again, it's intended as hyperbole. Don't take the comparison so literally.
>Compare that to Kaiji's Bog arc where every episode had a new development
Keyword "A" development. As in one per episode, whereas previous arcs would introduce a wide number of developments.
If i can sit through the entirety of monster but had to skip parts of the fucking bog theres definitely something wrong with it. Its inherently less interesting than actual gambles since its just a machine and theres literally no skill involved,no mind games.the entire strategy consisted of shoving more balls in, which is far less interesting than the more dynamic battles before
I'm saying that no one is making serious comparisons between the endless 8 and The Bog. It's hyperbole. Everyone already recognizes that the Endless 8 had virtually zero plot development while The Bog continually developed.
But the criticism is that like the endless 8 arc, the bog arc was a massive change in pace with regards to its respective series. Previous arcs would deliver multiple plot points and developments per episode. The Bog limited itself to only one major plot point per episode, probably for the sake of extending the episode count.
what ending? the one where he gets fucked by endouh and goes back to being a bum in 6 months?
I honestly think Kaiji is one of the msot overrated anime in /a/.
-godawful character design
and people call it a 9-10/10
I kinda get your point
It isn't a problem of the anime, the source material (manga) is the same.
Maybe it is good because the payoff was really good and everything was concluded nicely
I kinda get why people complain
Thanks for clarifying
But still I believe that is not a valid complaint because >>135947385
The fuck are you smoking? The CGI, which was only used for showing the motion of the balls, was quite cleverly used; just look at how they drew the balls is in the manga
How else could they have done that
>godawful character design
No fuck off
At least ever character has a fucking nose unlike 70% of the rest of anime
Even though kaiji never did play Hyoudou again
Even though he got swindled by Endou and is now penniless
At least he is now debt free and has friends who wouldn't betray him
the manga is still ongoing and about the last line, you will find that a bit harder to digest after reading the manga
No shit it doesn't have a conclusion, the manga is still going and they could always (theoretically) make a new season if there's a third movie to promote.
It has tension unrivaled by most shows i've seen and has heart felt moments with insightful themes about the importance of basic human values vs superficial monetary possessions. I absolutely loved the art style and kaiji is a character i would root for as well
I don't really care that much about episode count. I just want a consistent rate of plot delivery. The bog could have (and should have) made two plot advancements per episode, one before commercial break and one after. But the few times it did this, the plot advancements were rarely staggering or had wide reaching implications.
The criticism either becomes
a) The bog's major plot points were too spaced out
b) The bog had a lot of minor plot points that failed to advance the plot
And the bog suffered from this dichotomy more than the other arcs.
Some stories are cyclical, ending up where they started, whether it's in the details or in the grand scheme of things.
The conclusion is that there is no conclusion - Kaiji will probably keep making the same mistakes indefinitely, though there's still the faint chance that he might find a way out of the cycle.
I love the series as a whole but Kaijifags sure are unrelenting in how flawless they claim it to be.
If the highest points are 10/10 then the lowest points during the bog are definitely 7/10.
I don't care what people say about the pacing. The tension and build up was worth it in the end.
Yeah but the Shinchiro-Arc is the shit. Ootsuki is best villain.
The first 10 eps of Kaiji 2 is the single arc I have rewatched most in all of anime, I always watch it while falling asleep.