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First episode of Bubuki Buranki aka BBK/BRK airs in roughly 30 minutes
It's first anime original production by studio Sanzingen
Just like Arpeggio it's CGI
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>>135881350
>Just like Arpeggio it's CGI
Into the trash it goes.
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> CGI
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>>135881350
I wonder between this and Divine Gate which one will be edgier.
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>>135881350
>CGI
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>>135881627
It'll be hard to top DG's "RAIN CAN'T FILL THE HOLES IN MY HEART, BAWWW" speech, but the CGI lends it a shit factor DG doesn't have.
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If the CGI is on the same level as Etotama's CGI parts it will be watchable, otherwise not so much.
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It's time.
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>>135881807

You can check the PV, it's going to be more like Arpeggio or Sidonia than that. It's highly unlikely they'll do character animations at 24/30 FPS.
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>>135882058
I saw it, but I'll watch a full episode anyway.
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>>135882058
>It's highly unlikely they'll do character animations at 24/30 FPS.

They need to take heed what video game developers do because it's such a bullshit they're cutting frames in a CG animation
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>>135882185
Not till studios see CGI as a true medium to bring anime to life, rather than a way to cheap out production
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I watched the preview already. CG is so good none of you >CGI blindfucks will actually notice it
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>>135882530
It doesn't look that good at all. It's also really easy to see it's CG,if you where implying it's not.
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>>135882530
>none of you >CGI blindfucks will actually notice it
The low-framerate animations give it away instantly though.
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>>135881527
>>135881578
>>135881641
>>135881694
>>135881807
>all these retarded faggots who don't realize that literally all anime is CGI and has been for at least the past four seasons
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>>135882651
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>>135882651
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>>135882651
Most of action shows this season also has 3 for action sequences but calm your autism
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>>135882651
Fuck off retard.
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>>135882651
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>>135882651
(You)

Are you titillated now? Has the thrill of acting like an idiot finally quenched your need for attention?
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I already watched the 0.05 episode or whatever that showed like first 10 minutes of first episode.

That was like a week ago or more.

It looked incredibly fucking shit, like beyond bad and I'm not even a CG hater.
It was that fucking bad.

Not even gonna watch the whole thing.
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The characters looks like shit
Dropped
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[Ohys-Raws] Bubuki Buranki - 01 (MX 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4
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>>135883065

Gotta go investigate this CG to see how bad it is.

If done right, I have no problem with it.
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>>135883148
It's bad. Worse than Sydonia
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>>135881350
I'll watch only for Subaru voice acting.
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It's actually pretty okay.
Part B's plot move very fast though.
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>>135883309
Chiyo?
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>>135883302

Yeah, it's awful. A few notches above fucking RWBY.

Discarded.
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>>135883442
I think you are forgetting just how disgusting RWBY looks.
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>>135883302
>>135883442
Can confirm.

While the models look good, the low-framerate animation is just awful.
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>>135883488
>low-framerate animation

So usual Japanese CG show, nothing new here.
And yeah, i already get used to that, at worse i can still use SVP to watch.
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Lots of cheap sounding sfx i'm afraid.
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>>135883634
If this and Ajin will be hits in Japan I have no hopes about future of anime. For real.
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When will CR release the sub?
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>>135884127
7:30AM PST
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Island? space ship?
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>>135884286
So now?
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>>135885949
Yes. HS is slow with first episodes though.
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It looks like Fire Emblem, especially the blue haired milf, she almost looked like Lucina.
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Why is there an onahola on her gun?
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>>135886610
Yeah, got the sames vibes from it, but FE's animations were done by Madhouse.
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>>135886610
Same character designer.

>>135886924
They newest one done by Tigger i think?
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[CReep] Bubuki Buranki - 01 [1080p].mkv
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>>135882651
>retarded
Anon, you're projecting a bit hard there.
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[HorribleSubs] Bubuki Buranki - 01 [1080p].mkv
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>>135887019
Wiki says it was Anima Studios.
http://www.studioanima.co.jp/project/project-989/
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>>135887290
Well i saw Trigger in the FEif ending staff, not sure what they done though.
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According to frenchies it's 2 cour
http://animedigitalnetwork.fr/news-anime-manga/275-nouveaute-bubuki-buranki-un-shonen-arme-jusqu-aux-dents
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>>135887019
Isn't character designer mangaka of Donyatsu?
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>>135887892
Same person too.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=33643

>BBK/BRNK (TV) : Character Design
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>>135887857
24? it's a bot inusual for a CGI anime to have 24 ep directly. Is it a split cour?
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>>135882651
Kill yourself and take all the other CG shills with you
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>>135888615
>bot
bit*
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>>135888615
>Durée :.24 épisodes (2 saisons de 12 épisodes)

Sounds like split cour.
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This was fucking great. It looks amazing for CG and they actually made the story and characters interesting despite it being somewhat generic.

Definitely going to be the underrated gem of this season
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When will this CGI shit finally die?
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The CGI clashes with the beautiful backgrounds so badly
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>>135889126
It will grow more with numbers
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>>135889194
This.

But I'll at least watch it all albeit skipping scenes every 30 seconds or so just so I could get caps and make stitches of the backgrounds.
Maybe it'll get better later on but I'm not optimistic.
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I was hoping the CG wouldn't be so bad, but it really was, and that just drags the show down so much. I liked the story, although the second half did move really fast, and it had some nice world building. The 2D backgrounds are especially beautiful, but that just makes the bad CG stand out so much more. The models themselves don't even look that bad, they just need to up the frame rate and make the movements less clunky, but as is it's just dragging everything else about the show down.
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Visuals and action are pretty nice

Twinsister when?
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>starts on some space rock with magic and mechs
>10 years later it's Tokyo shounenshit
Yeah fuck you Japan. At least this semen demon is cute.
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I didn't know this was CGI when I downloaded this, just sort of did it on a whim.

I wasn't able to watch Sidonia due to CGI, but I think the character design and wonderful backgrounds are really helping me cope. I think I can deal, but I'd definitely love it if they heightened the framerate some.

I'll be tuning in next week.

Also, what >>135886322 said.
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I think it looks decent enough, honestly.
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the cgi didn't look as bad as I expected
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http://a.pomf.cat/iatykx.webm
audio version
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>>135882651
anon, there's a (big) difference between 3dcg and cgi

you fucking mouthbreathing idiot
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>>135882530
>CG is so good none of you >CGI blindfucks will actually notice it

True, as long as I keep my eyes closed I can't see anything.
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Honestly the 3DCG was pretty good, you can tell they put effort into it because of their anniversary. Give it 3-5 years and I don't think I will really care about 3DCG
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>>135890487
>I wasn't able to watch Sidonia due to CGI
But sidonia s2 was awesome, especially the 3 last episode.
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Wow talk about starting off with an interesting concept at the start then throwing it all away. Also the ending scene reminded me of some eva shit. Hopefully it advances fast and doesn't become boring as fuck with little kids being emo.

So fedora has a gun what do the other bosses have?
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>>135891837
I didn't really like the designs for those bad guys. Other than that it was good.
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>>135891589
How do you do that?
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>>135891837
black guy is going to have fists.

>>135891928
They all look boring as fuck
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Damn halfway through I gotta say
>not much retarded "molded plastic stabbed into an orange hair" design
>Some face detail
>Nice details on the clothes
>Good enough frames
>Some blur effect on the cg outline made it blend good enough with the background

Only bad thing is the soldiers/same models looked too perfect its kinda stand out.Now to see this quality in its entire season.
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>>135891837
>rwby_anime.jpg
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>>135883484
>>135883416
Is this fucking Fire Emblem?
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Besides the CG, how is it?
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>>135892428
Haven't watched it, but it's terrible.
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>>135892456
Narutaru tier

I for one, welcome our new 3DCGI overlords.
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>>135892428
Great. The story seems actually interesting and CGI is decent.
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>>135892371
No it's read the thread, faggit.
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Oneechan is actually worse than Hittler, MC is just plain.
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Is the show worth it despite the CGI shit?

Maybe I should watch this anyways to prepare for Ajin.
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>>135892606
3DCG in this looks much better than the Ajin trailer to be honest. I don't even like 3DCG.
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>>135892606
3 episode rule so far. Not the worst thing to air so far this season though.

It would have been better if they stayed on the moon rock.
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>>135891837
Throwing what away?

The story with his sister for whatever reason becoming the main villain (likely for the good of mankind) seems ok.
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>tips fedora
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This and Divine Gate are shows in exact same category. Both have handicaps (one is 3d and other just looks like shit), but both have intriguing stories. Lets see how it develops.
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It looks like Gunslinger Stratos if it were 3D, good and not written by someone with talent and not Storubutcher
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>>135892787
Shut the fuck up you retard.

Divine Gate is only good because its visually nice, everything else about it is shit.
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>>135892811
M8...>>135890598
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>>135890598
>>135892811
So Funi 1080p being superior isn't just a meme?
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>>135892874
>It looks like Gunslinger Stratos
>good
Does not compute.
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>>135892895
>Divine Gate
>visually nice
The only visually ok thing about it are Fairies designs. Otherwise, it looks like shit.

Its only advantage is that it seems to have actual story, unlike most of generic shit. Fujoshit bishounen generic designs of council doe not make it easier to watch though.
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>>135893001
Speaking as not much educated person on video quality, I think given enough filesize/quality ratio, the bigger one would be nicer. It is funi though? Its soft-subbed.
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Eh. It's anime original so I'll put up with the CGshit for the mean time.
I doubt this is going to be anything good but at least the backgrounds are fucking amazing.
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>>135893146
Nah, it's not Funi. I made a mistake.
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Hoping they give more explanation on what's actually happening later. It feels like I just watched a sequel of a series without watching the prequel.
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>>135890714
Thanks as usual based anon
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>>135894427
It's 2 cour show, don't worry i would say.
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>CGI
FUCKING WHY
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>>135894653
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>CGI
Fuck I was excited because it looked liked there were a few Originals this season and they're all shit.
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>>135894724
Thought it was an ouroboros.
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I cant say i didnt enjoy the episode.
The CGI clashes with the background quite a lot though and general CGI weaknesses.
I guess i'll watch it.
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>>135892371
Same chara designer more likely. I wouldn't be surprised if the studio that modeled the characters of the last fe game have worked on this too, though.
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>>135891928
I liked the main villain girl's design, fedora and glasses are a bit generic but not that bad, black guy's yellow jumpsuit just looks stupid, and I'm not sure what about it, but I don't really like rabbit girl's design either.
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>>135896597
Yeah, it's the same character designer, who's also the Donyatsu mangaka. I liked Kogane's backpack had Donyatsu on it.
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I'm confused.
Good story.
Decent characters.
Great music.
Attention to details and pretty solid tempo during the whole episode.
Yet it's the fucking CGI.
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>>135897780
This but will keep watching it. Plus the porn for this will be interesting if they can rip the 3d models.
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>>135898252
Sanzigen should be like Polygon and sell their models.
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>>135897780
I had small hopes since it's by the studio that did the EDs for Miss Monochrome, which are actually really good, but I guess it's too much to expect them to put more effort into their first original, and second full length show than in a minute long ED segment for a short.
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We Eva next week.
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And then people say that RWBY is bad.
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This thing looks like shit I fucking hope it bombs hard.
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Was actually a good first episode, the cg is always off-putting but giving this the 3 episode rule unlike Luck and Logic which won't be even given a chance.
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>>135897780
>dropping hints throughout the first episode
>nobody going HEY SEMPAI CAN YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHY THINGS ARE DIFFERENT FROM 2016 JAPAN?
>actual room for speculah
I don't know what's going on.
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>>135899333
The lack of forced exposition was nice. I imagine the twin sister waking all the Buranki up has something to do with why the world doesn't look too great.


I assume there's no massive forest currently at Shinjuku?
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Thought it was going to be Turn A at first. Not really enthused by it coming back to Tokyo.

Gonna watch next week, though.
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>yfw main villain girl is the twin sister
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>>135900806
She probably is, shes the one who killed their mother
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>>135901404
>>135900806
She is not, the redhead framed the mother and they went into exile.
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>>135901496
But what if the redhead is the sister?
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Really good first episode. Awesome backgrounds, nice 3D, good characters, MC is a weakling done right: has a goal and works toward it, no whining, fast thinking. If main plot will live fto the first episode goodness, this anime will set the really high bar for this year's original anime.
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>>135881350
I'm going to follow this, CGI looks beautiful for anime standards so far. It looks nice, something new at least. I liked Etotama too, guess I just enjoy new things.

Honestly I'm not a fan of CGI but i'm actually very hyped to see how it will turn out in the next 5-10 years. 3D anime won't replace hand-drawn but retards hoping 3D to fail are stupid, 3D well done can mix perfectly with hand-drawn anime and take a huge load off everyone, which means small studios won't be forced to have poorly drawn stuff to air and be doomed to fail because they don't have ANIPLEX funding them. So I hope japanese studios can improve themselves and by doing so improve anime itself, or at least working conditions.

Anime industry is flopping hard because of the current working conditions so this can say to people
>Hey you don't need to work 16 hours a day just to get paid with the equivalent of a meal.
Which means more people can get into it as an actual job.
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>>135901565
Are these guys bubuki?
Cause their teeth moving was gross.
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>>135901567
I liked everything else about the show, but the CG was terrible. Both L&L and Komugi-chan had way better CG, and that's just stuff that aired today.

I'm not entirely against CG, but that's if it's done right, which this isn't, the models look fine, but once they're in movement they're clunky with low framerate.
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>>135901567
Is CGI less time consuming and easier to make?
I always thought it was more expensive
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>>135881350
>All this CGshit airing this season
I'm dropping shows left and right. My backlog is going to love me this season with all this free time.
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>>135902130
I'm not an expert but once you are done with the model you only have to do the motions instead of drawing everything every single time.
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CG finally getting good?
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>>135902408
It got good
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>>135902408
>>10321810
Have you seen Majestic Prince?
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>>135902694
CG mecha always (can be) good, so i think he is talking about non-mecha CG.
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>>135902912
It still rarely is, even the other stuff by the same studio, while better than the rest, hasn't compared to Majestic Prince, which was truly an exception.
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>>135902694
>>135902912
CG is shit, and CG mecha is a crime against humanity.

>But studio orange!
Still looks like shit and will never approach good hand drawn mecha.
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Character animation still looks very clunky and robotic in 3DCG. It doesn't have to, but good CG animation doesn't seem to be possible within the limitations of TV anime production.

Some of the actions scenes like >>135892811 look pretty good though.
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>>135881350
So it's basically RWBY with an even more generic story and budget?
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>>135902408
Looks really great by the industry stands. Nice level of detail and the characters are rather expressive. Some webms and screens here could pass for cutscenes of a decent budget game.

I wasn't looking forward to it, but after this thread I'm ready to give it a go.
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>>135903587
ebin
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>>135903587
RWBY has a budget?
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>>135903608
The CGshilling is real
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>>135903676
How is it shilling fucker? I'm not saying they are putting PIXAR movies weekly, but I'm actually impressed based on previous experience with CG in anime.
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>>135903676
>shilling
You think people are being paid by CG animators from China? It looked good thats it.
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Daily reminder Sanzigen and Trigger are sister companies, you support one of them means also support the other one.
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>>135903800
>>135903809
>>>/3DCG/
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>>135903911
Same with Ordet and Yamakan.
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>>135903925
>>>/SUCKMYCOCK/

It's anime related. Stop with the needless replies. No one is forcing you to watch or discuss it. Close the tab and go share your highly insightful remarks elsewhere.
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>>135903503
I think it's some of the best 3dcg we've had for anime so far, it's not perfect but it's not as insanely jarring as others have been.
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>>135903987
Yamakan is Ordet's boss, should be Ordet and Lidenfilms.
All 4 companies are in same building, Sanzigen and Trigger are in 17/F while Ordet and Lidenfilms are in 3/F.
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>>135904080
>It's anime related.
Yes, and? That doesn't exclude it from being eye cancer inducing garbage.
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>>135904251
It's actually pretty good desu.
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>>135904308
Why would you just go on the internet and tell lies like that?
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>>135904251
You're exactly right.
It ensures it.
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>>135904251
Stop trying to fit in this much. No one is saying they would rather get CG than traditional animation, but all things considered this doesn't look as bad as all the previous attempts.

Much like >>135881807 it's actually watchable. It's not like 2D is immune to eye cancer garbage either. Every season is filled with badly animated off model shit. I'd take this over most modern Toei shows.
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>>135904440
>Stop trying to fit in this much.
>No one actually dislikes CG, it's all trying to fit in
Please fucking kill yourself.

>I'd take this over most modern Toei shows.
>Take large CG budget and make 2D shows
>Everyone wins
CG is cancer and should disappear.
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>>135904522
You have no idea how any of this works, stop posting anytime. This doesn't have a larger budget than your average show and killing won't stop cheap ass studios of outsourcing their shit to DA tier artists on the Philippines.

Feel free to keep with your tantrums as the leader of the anti CG crusade. This exists, there's worse first eps this season and discussion is on topic. Your anal devastation accomplishes nothing.
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>>135904691
>she sees your dick
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>>135904787
>You have no idea how any of this works, stop posting anytime. This doesn't have a larger budget than your average show
You're a fucking idiot. CG is more expensive than hand drawn. The animators get paid more on average, and the rendering process is expensive. Look up Disney's most expensive hand drawn movie, adjust for inflation and see how it completely pales in comparison to an average CG movies cost. Look at a an animators salary, and look at what CG animators get paid.

>Feel free to keep with your tantrums as the leader of the anti CG crusade.
And feel free to be completely and factually incorrect about all the shit you're spewing while pretending to have a point.
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>>135904096
Sure, the 3DCG in this show is already surprisingly good and quite watchable. It's just not yet on the level of hand drawn animation and I'm not entirely sure it's getting there either. Will be interesting to see what quality of animation Sanzigen and others can produce in a few years. Either way, 3DCG is here to stay and I hope it improves.
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>>135905024
I don't really expect the same quality as hand drawn, I feel they both have slightly different metrics for exactly what makes them high quality anyway.
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>>135904906
The ones doing modelling, rigging, skinning and all the heavy lift get paid better, but they save it later in the process when it runs into basic posing and reused assets. A show like this hardly comparable to Disney level shit. Neither is the amount of rendering.

The only point you actually made so far is that you loathe CG on principle and that's extraneous.
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>>135905173
I think even mediocre hand drawn animation generally looks more natural and believable than CG for whatever reason. Pixar quality CG obviously doesn't have this problem but 3DCG in anime always looks kind of jarring. Perhaps it's just easier to make passable low budget animation in 2d than 3d.
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>>135905358
I think sometimes it's the outright medium differences, like under detailed cg models in a well drawn environment, plus small things like lighting consistency and matching color palettes.
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>>135905333
>but they save it later in the process
Right. That's why CG still costs more across the board.

>The only point you actually made so far is that
is that CG is more expensive and you've yet to provide a single number to show otherwise, just vague generalizations.

>>135905358
Pixar has an insane budget that doesn't even try to emulate 2D, and it doesn't juxtapose 3D models against a 2D backdrop. You can make whatever case you like for 3D as its own thing being good, but 3D models in hand drawn anime, or 3D backgrounds with hand drawn models look like absolute piss.
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While i dont have a problem with well done CG for mecha i dont really like using CG for characters.
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>>135905462
I think it wouldn't even be as bad if we didn't have such a contrast between the beautifully done backgrounds and the CG models. They just look so out of place.
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>>135904440
>somebody disagrees with me
>oh yes, this can only be because he is trying to gain attention, for nobody can disagree with me

Don't be that much of a homosexual, anon.
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>>135905477
>vague generalizations
Opposite to what? The numbers you provided?

Top tier CG might be more expensive, sure. Just as insanely detailed 2D with high pedigree key artists and a shit ton of key frames could easily top most moderate CG projects budget.

We have no idea what's the budget on this, but it's fair to assume giving the industry reality that it's not some exorbitant sum. They are not burning money here, just making most of what they can.
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The low fps kills it for me.
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>>135905891
The problem is not even his opinion. I share his preference for traditional animation. What troubles me is /v/ tier interjections like these (>>135903676
>>135903925) in attempt to deter the topic.

Or you are gonna argue that linking to other boards needlessly is not a herd mentality practice?
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>>135881350
Damn just watched this, those fights looked great fucking great.

And that ending got me excited as fuck despite not being anything "new"
>If I have Oubu I can make it back up to the sky!

But honestly what hooked me the most is the scenery porn/art and fights, it's gorgeous. Also The story doesn't seem bad so far at all, I'd like some explanations next episode though.
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>>135898962
Are the backgrounds hand-drawn? I'm happy, normally 3D gets used for budget anime but this isn't the case at all.
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That's what I said.

Anyways I thought it was pretty good tbqh. Although I'm hoping they bring back those evil robots from the beginning. They were pretty creepy.. Although the bad guys seem to be using their power or something since mr fedora had the same eyes on his bullets.

Where'd the sister go though? I'm guessing she's the evil red head now? I remember her power being red colored.
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>>135905916
>Just as insanely detailed 2D with high pedigree key artists and a shit ton of key frames could easily top most moderate CG projects budget.
Literally the most expensive 2D movie produced doesn't begin to touch CG budgets. You are objectively wrong.

>>135906201
>/v/ tier interjections
Post disregarded.
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Will this look less jerky with frame interpolation or some shit like that?
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>>135906569
It was definitely better than expected, seems like this season underdog so far. Future eps will tell if it's a underrated gem or just a failed experience.

>>135906700
Yes. There's some pretty good backgrounds too. Wish they could fix the fps and keep the animation smooth on all scenes. The fighting looks pretty great, but other parts are still jarring.
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>>135906791
>Literally the most expensive 2D movie produced doesn't begin to touch CG budgets
Again you are accounting for high level shit. Look at that generalization. Are you completely out of your mind? So going by your post this show just by virtue of being CG animated has a movie budget? And not just any movie, no any CG shit is inherently more expensive than a golden age Disney film.
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>>135907124
>Again you are accounting for high level shit.
>>135905916
>Just as insanely detailed 2D with high pedigree key artists and a shit ton of key frames could easily top most moderate CG projects budget.
Is what you said. You brought it up. You are objectively wrong. Do you even read your own fucking posts?
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>>135906700
The backgrounds are gorgeous and all seem to be hand drawn, but since some of them are so painterly it really jars with the CGI. It's not really bad CGI, but seeing CGI main characters in a hand drawn environment was strange since usually it's the other way around.
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>>135906828
If you torrent HS(8bit) then I'd recommend SplashPRO EX.

I always have problems with all those weird 60fps stuff but this player doesn't make them look wonky, I mean with the interpolation and stuff most programs accelerate the video or the interpolation goes to shit "fusing" frames.

This player doesn't really have that problem. I watched Sidonia with it and now I tried with this anime. Looks great.
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>>135906828

SVP seems to work all right with this
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Hand loli is best girl
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>>135907184
And you completely missed the point.
>could easily top most moderate CG projects

Key word there is moderate. Does this show looks anything like these?

http://www.therichest.com/luxury/most-expensive/most-expensive-animated-movies-ever-made/?view=all

No, it's just a lower tv budget take on CG animation, but this time around with more technical proficiency than most Japanese counterparts. That's why some are praising it here.

Put the costs of Bubuki Buranki against a anime movie or a 6 million traditionally animated film and it fucking pales in comparison. It's most likely not even among the most costly shows this season. And this shit is getting really sidelined with all these /co/ goalposts.
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>>135907751
>And you completely missed the point.
>Bring up the cost of top tier hand drawn
>"Oh, that's not what I meant."

>Key word there is moderate.
Define a moderate CG production and give an actual budget.

>Put the costs of Bubuki Buranki
Ok. Give me the actual cost. Go on, I'll wait for an actual number instead of "Well that wasn't what I meant. I was speaking in general and hypothetically."
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I think the whole "cg is more expensive" comes from a list with people in the anime industry and what they make and CG animators makes more than 2D animators ergo cg is more expensive.
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>Are 3DCG-based animes cheaper to produce?

3D modelling and rendering is often faster than drawing each frame, since all the 3D models can be reused and the 2D animation frames must be redrawn from various angles. Unless you're a cheapskate show that reuses the same poses and facial expressions over and over. This isn't a problem with 3D animation, since most of what it takes to do a different look is to change camera angle and rotate model's limbs.

It's supposed to be faster than 2D, but it may actually be more expensive, in theory.

we can compare differences in 2D and 3D process to identify possible savings.

First, lots of the anime creation process is same. Directing, writing, character design, screenplay, dubbing, marketing are all same. So there are no savings there.

Second, 3DCG has bigger up-front cost, because you have to create the 3D models. This is especially problematic for characters, if it is main focus of the show. It is less a problem for mechanical stuff and backgrounds, because they are easier to model and many shows already use 3D for those.

Third, the animation. Animating mechanical things is easy because you have low number of moving parts and their order of freedom is low. Humanoids on the other hand are hard to animate and even harder if you want the movement to seem natural. And the complexity goes up as character interact between each other and environment.

So if the show is primarily animating mechanical things moving around then there is big chance of saving some money. If the show is about characters and their interaction, then I guess there is no much saving and the primary purpose of using 3DCG is to maintain consistency.

I think that most of the success of 3D comes from the ability to change shots without having to completely redo the scene .
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>>135908006
And rendering equipment is extremely expensive.
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>>135908137

Thanks for reposting this.
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>>135908137
>Humanoids on the other hand are hard to animate and even harder if you want the movement to seem natural. And the complexity goes up as character interact between each other and environment.
then don't use it for this FUCK
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>>135907617
she's 16
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ITT: Autist wizards trying desperately to be cool by bitching about one of the top 5 animated shows of the season.
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>>135908554
???
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>>135908006
No CG is generally more expansive. Even in the western end, or better put specially in the west. Not even arguing that. It also takes less skill and saves time. It's easier to colorize, easier to light and revise.

But there's CG budgets and CG budgets shit like Tangled is in a entirely different world than How to Train Your Dragon the tv series or fucking Sidonia no Kishi. In the same way Aladdin or Akira can't be compared to a flash animated cartoon or a Manglobe production.

The other guy is going on circles and asking for insider perspective for a long time now because grasp this simple fact. This is not a high tier CG budget production. He keeps bringing up entirely different realities like Disney and Pixar films to deflect it.

This is just a regular tv show made on a regular tv budget, the japanese don't have the technology nor the public bias to justify expending way more on a CG animated series. It's simply not profitable otherwise. He can keep believing they could fund three other shows with the resources applied here and that CG shouldn't exist. I don't give a fuck anymore.
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>>135908137
>>135908163
The thing about CG is that you don't need to overwork yourself every single day for pennies. You don't need a lot of key-frame animators doing the same shit over and over.

One person working with 3D can probably do the same or more than 3 different hand drawing animators.
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As someone who has seen all the recent CG works, this one looks by the far the best. CG really has advanced quite a bit.

I should note I used SVP like I did with all CG works.
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>>135908821
Or you can just pull a Kyoani and learn how to budget and pay real salaries.

>>135908801
>I don't give a fuck anymore.
>I don't have a single hard number to back up a single fucking inane "point" I've made, so I'm going to go ahead and do some meta-complaining while still pretending anything I say holds merit
Kill yourself.
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>>135909144
>Every studio is KyoAni

Fuck off retard your bait is shitty.
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>>135909209
>Kyoani is the only studio capable of planning things and having decent working conditions
No
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>>135909144
I've made my point quite clear. You haven't refuted anything I said. Or backed any of your claims either. As the one arguing this has a higher budget than other shows this season the burden of proof is on you.

Since common sense is not your forte.
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This is interesting. Get generic in the middle but maybe the story'll get interesting again.

Also the CG is bad... because it try hard to look 2D. It's really the worst approach.
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>>135909144
You're retarded.

That said I do wonder why Kyoani are so awesome and why other studio can't pull that off.
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>Polygon Pictures

>Desktop PCs are lined up at the offices of Polygon Pictures in a manner similar to game production company. Its staff does not work on weekends, and overtime work is not done. In an example of its efficiency-oriented process, vacant PC stations are used to render videos overnight.
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>>135909366
>I've made my point quite clear.
Yes, your point is that you pull generalizations out of your ass and don't have a single number to back anything up.

>You haven't refuted anything I said.
Yes I have. You just wave it off with "Well I don't need to explain anything I said, it's intrinsically correct."

>Or backed any of your claims either
I've given more numbers than you have.

>As the one arguing this has a higher budget than other shows this season the burden of proof is on you.
CG artists get paid more. CG rendering is incredibly expensive. Traditional animators get paid peanuts. Now you go ahead and show that CG is somehow more cost effective with actual numbers instead of generalization. Remember, burden of proof means you need to give facts and numbers instead of pulling shit out of your ass.

>Since common sense is not your forte.
You don't have a shred of common sense.

>>135909455
>why Kyoani are so awesome and why other studio can't pull that off.
There is literally no reason, you idiot. Nothing is stopping other studios from adopting their business practices.
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>>135909520
>Nothing is stopping other studios from adopting their business practices.

And yet they didn't.
Since you're an expert I'm sure you know why.
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>>135909455
Because KyoAni has money from their retarded sheep that buy every single moeshit they release, that's why.

Clear example is /a/, last season
>Battle haremshit
>Tasteless fanservice

This season
>GodAni
>This girls are so hot

Japanese are the same.
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>>135909510
Hand-drawn Studio animation

Overwork
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>>135909590
Japanese businessmen are just stubborn. There's nothing actually stopping them
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looks like a literal childs show
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>>135909625
Literally none of their anime sold that much, they're averaging at 8k lately, it's not a money problem. Beside they do interesting anime sometimes, fuck off.
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>>135909670
>T-they're stubborn!
>T-they don't want money because stuborness!!!

No fuck off, there's a reason they don't do it. The reason is that KyoAni has a permanent staff that gets backed up by the huge amount of money they make every year with their anime. Everything they do is a financial success, nothing KyoAni does sells lower than 5k
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>>135909520
>I've given more numbers than you have.
Common knowledge shit like CG animators get paid more on average. Without taking in consideration you also need less animators than in a traditionally animated shows.

Other than that all you brought up was Disney blockbusters which is really futile considering the topic.
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>>135909815
SHAFT shit and Sunrise sell 100k and the 2D looks like shit
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/me is a scrub for being late.
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Everything is okay other than the info dump device MC.

What has he been doing for the past 10 years to not know any single thing about his power?

>B-Bubuki?
>H-Heart?
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>>135881350
>nine minutes in
>cg looks like ass
>there is animation sometimes
Into the trash it goes.
If this is the future I can't wait for death.
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>>135909766
>They do interesting anime sometimes
As in? FMP? Haruhi?. I'd say Amagi was really fucking fun and that Hyouka was a hate it or love it anime but that's it.

Everything else they do is sameface shit. Unless you want to tell me fujobait, chunnidrama or yuribait garbage is interesting.
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>>135909948
>If this is the future I can't wait for death.
it sells
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>>135909956
>I rate anime depending on their faces
Fuck off, this isn't /v/
Also Euphonium was a masterpiece, like it or not.
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>>135909929
Maybe they will explain it next episode? When they explain EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENED DURING THOSE FUCKING 10 YEARS?.

Jesus one does not need to be a genius to know how storytelling works anon.


Anyways as for MC, he probably doesn't know the "name" of the powers, kind of like Goten shooting a kamehameha without knowing what it is. He's clearly only interested in going back to his mom and the rest we'll learn eventually.
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>>135909948
>If this is the future I can't wait for death.

Off you pop, then. Don't forget to stream it.
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>>135909872
They already sell a lot. Don't fix what isn't broken.

If KyoAni stops doing pretty looking anime their sales go down.
>>135910062
>Euphonium was a masterpiece

Fuck off.
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>>135891837
is the twist going to be that's his sister
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>>135909815
Nichijou sold nothing and was wildly expensive. A lot of their other works sell well because they're well animated. Guess why they're well animated? It's not budget, it's planning.

>>135909845
>Common knowledge shit like CG animators get paid more on average.
Which is still objectively more than the 0 numbers you've given.

>Other than that all you brought up was Disney blockbusters which is really futile considering the topic.
Which are also still real numbers you haven't refuted or brought up a counter-point against.

So, are you ready to give any numbers or facts yet, or would you prefer to keep talking out of your ass?
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So far the only things I really dislike are MC's face and the spearfag. Grass-eater a cute.
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>>135910175
Regardless of whatever shit tastes you have, Euphonium was amazing. Accept it already because you look retarded.

>Implying other studios wouldn't use Kyoani's production model as well if they could
KEK
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The studio that made the brs anime. Which means we can expect at least a few good looking fight scenes, and the ost isn't too bad.
But the CG during casual stuff like simply walking somewhere was so stiff I can't believe professionals were doing that.
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>>135910423
>I can't believe professionals were doing that.
They're saving money.
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Where the fuck is the twin sister?
Twincest is my favourite type of incest.
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>>135910456
That's beyond saving money, just making the animations smoother isn't that hard when the models are allready in place.
Even shitty amateurs on youtube are doing better jobs at this.
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Wait, how did he fall back to earth? He was inside the mech?

>>135910423
Because average 2D anime have also stiff casual movement and they somehow think it's a good idea to reproduce it.
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>>135910280
>>135909520
Here you go. A nice read low budget AS CG show that costs less than the regular cartoon network traditional animated series. Also serves as a reminder of how japanese are underpaid since animes average on $153,846 for ep.

http://www.awn.com/animationworld/cg-budget-zen-art

Way closer to the case at hand than the absurd Disney shit you were forcing. Adjust it to the japanese reality of budget saving and it's not inconceivable that this show falls in the outdated average of $153,846 per ep given proper adjusts.
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>>135911116
>Talk about average shows and cost vs benefit
>Pick bargain barrel CG that looks better than absolutely nothing
>Say that it costs less than American cartoons
>American fucking cartoons
Holy shit, you're an idiot.
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>>135911208
Are you out of mirrors? The irony palpable, your flimsy argument relied on American CG Blockbusters, you fucking dimwit. I got you a case of weekly low budget shows (by American standards) were CG is more costly effective than 2D. It hardly matters with Adventure Time and the likes.

Studios are extremely secretive with this shit. You asked for examples of low end CG shows. Now fuck off or do the leg work on this golden egg chase to bring up budgets of japanese animated series.
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>>135911605
*It hardly matters what you think of the style when it's competing with Adventure Time and the likes.
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>>135911650
Outside of The Venture Brothers has there been an American cartoon made after the 1990s that anyone should be willing to take credit for?
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Can someone use interpolation on this anime to make run at 60 FPS like >>135911003
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>>135911719
That interpolation looks like shit.
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>>135911605
>your flimsy argument relied on American CG Blockbusters
My argument showed that expensive CG will always be more expensive than high end 2D. All you've showed is that cheap 3DCG exists. Shows like Tekyuu and KMB cost next to nothing to make, so what does saying "cheap CG exists" accomplish? I want you to show me how a CG of comparable quality to a 2D show can actually save money, because all we've shown is that higher end CG is more expensive, CG animators and rendering is more expensive, and cheap animation exists on both fronts.

>by American standards) were CG is more costly effective than 2D
Completely irrelevant given the insane budgets that American animation has. It is in no way comparable to 2D animation in Japan.
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>>135912291
I think it's better stop now because we are on entirely different pages here. I'm not disputing your first statement that expensive CG will always be more expensive than high end 2D.

I'm arguing this show is closer to the second scenario. That americans have insane budgets is well known, all because their animators get a fucking living wage. But that also applies to their 3D animations so that a shit looking CG show cost less than a shit looking 2d show in this milieu is in fact substantial.

Of course we can't make a direct parallel because we lack hard numbers on the elevens side. But really just stop for a moment and consider what they have to gain here to justify spending more than average on this show? What interests would they have in this? How would it be profitable if it costed way more than the average show? Who is baking it? Isn't it more reasonable knowing the degree the japanese will go with the cost cutting practices and saving money on production that this is within the usual limits? Marginally above the really low end shows, but not costly enough to surpass high end seasonal stuff?
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>>135913178
>But that also applies to their 3D animations so that a shit looking CG show cost less than a shit looking 2d show in this milieu is in fact substantial.
American 3D costs and 2D costs are not comparable to Japanese 3D and 2D costs. Why would you use one as a stand in for the other?

>But really just stop for a moment and consider what they have to gain here to justify spending more than average on this show?
>"Oh man, look how much money CG makes in America and how popular it is! They have all this talent and technology they're putting out, we should get in on that to replicate their success!"
It was successful marketing by the jews in America.
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As expected a thread full of complaining about cgi. Well first episode got me curious at least
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Animation before the timeskip was really jarring and jerky, after the timeskip it was way more bearable and looked good in certain instances.

Seriously, everything with the little kids was dogshit.
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>>135913637
Who the fuck cares, did you like the anime or not retard, that's all that matters.
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>>135910365
>Euphonium was amazing

How can someone unironically say that some melodramatic high school club garbage is a masterpiece?
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>>135881350
This soundtrack is fuckin nice
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>>135881350
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>>135914129
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>>135913405
On a more topical example most of the AnimatorExpo shorts had similar budgets and time limits and the project had shorts consisting of both styles of animation and beyond if we include the stop motion made by Anno wife, but I doubt she had the same constraints of the others.

The bigger variable there was the talent.. If CG was that much more expensive on the anime industry you wouldn't see a significant number of 3D shorts in the mix.

Sanzigen is specialized in CG that's what influenced the call here, they are staying true to their guns and have a better grasp than most studios thanks to past experience.

It's still far from perfect and nowhere near the American multi million industry standards, but it's better than past ventures. CG is not my cup of tea either, but it's inevitable nowadays and at least the nips are trying to play catch up now.
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>>135914251
You should click on the "enable high quality mode"
Also the max limit is 3mb
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>>135914214
>On a more topical example most of the AnimatorExpo shorts had similar budgets and time limits and the project had shorts consisting of both styles of animation
Good point. So we can see that under similar sets of circumstances like time and money, we can get CG that looks like shit, or hand drawn that looks absolutely amazing.
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>>135914251
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>>135914294
I did all of them in a batch so they all got same bitrate. Longer ones reach 2.8 mb.

Honestly why do I bother, fuck off retard.
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>>135914352
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>>135903652
This comment actually put RWBY in a higher stand...
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>>135914664
It's fair to assume there is some GSC money on this. On their studio page there's mention to GSC, but I don't know the specifics. It's all in moon. They might do 3D modeling for their products.
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>>135914352
Megane bitch a best!
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Well, not bad overall. There were a few moments where the CG looked a little awkward but it was definitely step or two above Arpeggio or Sidonia, and far better than pretty much anything else that Sanzigen has done. Frame rate aside, the colors and lighting were done well. The background art is fantastic too. It's a shame that the sound effects sound so crap, just like Heavy Object and Comet Lucifer last season. Aketagawa Jin is a very experienced sound director, has he gone deaf or something?
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>>135914664
Expect figures on the next Wonderfest.
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By the way for all those complaining about frame rates, Sanzingen literally renders their 3DCG in full animation and then removes frames, along with other tricks like adding imperfections to the perfect lines 3DCG rendering produces to try to make it feel more like anime animation. They say that the Japanese viewer would find it jarring and not like it if they left it at the full animation rate because it wouldn't feel like the anime they are used too. So the low frame rate actually takes more time and effort than the high framerate stuff. They have to manually remove frames to achieve the effect of limited animation.

See picture related, President of Sanzingen being interviewed about how they made the 3DCG for Black Rock Shooter TV.
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>>135915728
>Implying shitposters care
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>>135915728
Hopefully they get to let loose the full animation stuff some time soon.
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>>135915854
I'm sure some people will find it interesting and informative, and even counter intuitive that the low frame rates actually mean more budget, time and effort has gone into it rather than less.
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>>135915728
Sounds like the reasoning for keeping the standard framerate of film, but there's gotta to be a way to improve it on their case. While on most action ones they achieved a nice balance it looks a bit stilted on some scenes.
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Some of the imagery is pretty decent
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>Read description
>Sounds good
>Download it
>Settle down with some food and get ready to watch it
>Full CGI
Dropped less than 30 seconds in
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>>135916013
I think that they can definitely improve in making the 3DCG not so obvious by paying more attention to adding imperfections, a lot of the time in this show the 3DCG really stood out against the painted backgrounds because the lines were just too sharp, sometimes they got it right but that takes time and effort. They could also get better at timing the frames they remove I think. You know paying more attention and getting more skilful at choosing which ones to remove. Like how a good traditional animator can vary timing to achieve certain effects.
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>>135881350
>3DCG for action show
Maybe it works for arpeggio since the characters barely move. But this is pure garbage
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>>135916013
Also the character acting in a lot of CG stuff just seems to come off as very mechanical. I think they could put more time and effort into that to make it feel more believable. Especially when it comes to expressions, maybe it is just how the lines move so perfectly in the same way every time where as with hand drawn the specific animator will draw each expression slightly differently each time.
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>>135916013
Also looking at stuff like
>>135914129
I think some of the stuff that makes it obvious is there is just too much detail in the shading. Most anime would never have that level of smooth changes in shading in response to light, look at how the shadow moves as her arm reaches up for example, it moves across the arm way too smoothly.
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This feels weird. 24 episodes for an anime original, a 3D one no less.

Now don't get me wrong I loved this first episode but we all know Japanese don't really like 3D. So it feels off a studio would pay so much effort into something that will without a doubt flop.

I'd be happy if it's good an gets nice sales though
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Will there ever be something that surpass Etotama?
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>>135881350
It looks ok for CG, still not great though.
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>>135916556
Production Committee is huge and KADOKAWA head it. Doubt the studio is pouring too much into it to be honest.
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>>135916926
>>135916556
The studio isn't even listed on the production committee but Ultra Super Pictures is the second one down and they are the holding company for Sanzigen.
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>>135881350
Man this was better than expected. Who would have known. Pick the fuck up
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>>135882651
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Might be a hidden gem.

That being said, holy shit the CGI clashes so much with the wonderful backgrounds.
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>>135881350
Fuck the anime. I'd rather play a game of this instead.
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>>135916972
Studio that under Ultra Super Pictures always use Ultra Super Pictures in production partner.
Arpeggio, Kill la Kill etc, and they all at least list in 2nd.
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>>135903987
We call this building "The Tower of Anime Salvation."
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>>135922693
Meant to link to the >>135904100
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>>135916235

Also in that video (if it's the NHK imagine-nation one), they talk about how they varied the CG line thicknesses in BRS to mimic hand drawn animation part of the show.
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How hot will Kaoruko look now?
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>>135913858
Characters mattered
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>>135921799

This.
It's perfect RPG material.
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Is this good?
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>mfw CGI is the future of anime.

Etotama was enjoyable as fuck, Sidonia and Arpeggio being clunky can be forgiven because they are early works by Sanzigen. It's like early 2000 again.
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This man is your friend. He fights for freedom.
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>>135915728
That's a load of bullshit reasoning

Freakin' Studio GOONEYS who did the CG in Show By Rock had the right idea; follow their example!
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>>135922787
I assume /a/ would think its all downhill from that point.
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>>135922934
>not spectacle brawler
Please.
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What a talented slut
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>>135922787
>Kaoruko.
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The mum was a right cutie.

Fucking Kaoruko, ruining everything.
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>>135925396
I'd rather watch a nice SoL about her.
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>>135890323
Between her going 'YOU KILLED MY FATHER' retard and enemy troopers not shooting at spearboy even though he's at point blank distance I just can't take the show seriously. Will probably watch non-seriously and end up dropping, like what happened with God Eater.
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>>135902408
Not Xrd levels of good yet, but we're slowly getting there.
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>>135923046
Show By Rock was easier to execute though, because the character designs and world setting were completely different between 2D and 3D it makes it easier to get away with.
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>>135922787
Sex goddess
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>>135883997
is better that way, the more the invest on it the faster we will get past the uncanny valley
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>>135915728
Sidonia action scenes suffered from this so badly. They were choppy and nearly unwatchable.
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>>135881350
Was actually pretty exciting. I wish more anime had openings that weren't nonstop awkward exposition.
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>>135932590
But people need to be spoonfed from the very first minute or everything will be too confusing. It's not like you can just subtly explain the world little by little to the modern ADHD crowd.
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>>135932590
This so fucking much. I'm so ungodly sick and tired of

>As you know
>You sure are [adjective] as usual!
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>>135932764
>>135932590
>Everyone know it, but I'll explain anyway!
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>>135932590
Nah they do explain, but it's explain and pushing the plot at the same time which is a better way to move the story.
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>>135923025
>Sidonia
>Sanzigen
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>>135933770
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inb4 the sister joined the bad guys despite being the one responsible for all this shit
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>>135934175
Inb4 the sister is actually the good guy and MC is the bad guy unintentionally
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inb4 their parents are actually the bad guys, them using the thing actually hasten the inevitable invasion of earth but launching only one of those robot lessen the destruction earth might be having thus saving humanity and give them time to prepare.
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Watching this show is like watching a Fire Emblem anime. I'm sold.
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Maybe I'd like it more if it wouldn't be shitty CGI.
Rest was kinda mediocre, neither bad nor especially good. Guess I'll watch the next two episodes even if if's ugly.
>>135891837
Those retarded 3D designs remind me of RWBY shit.
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>Good guys have blue power.
>Bad guys have red power.
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>>135935189
Nobody cares
>RWBY
go back to /co/
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>>135935468
>nobody cares about Buranki opinions in a Buranki thread
Seems like the fanbase will be as shitty as I expected them to be
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CGI is meh but not too bad. I worry more about the generic-boy-finds-awesome-mecha plot. But maybe it will contain a few surprising twists or something.
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>>135935536
No, nobody cares when you post the same thing being posted since yesterday.
>Muh CGI

>the fanbase is shitty
So now we're starting with memes
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>>135935606
>>135935606
The Mecha was his in the first place I don't think finds mecha fits here.
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KID
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This has a certain "Saturday morning cartoon" feeling. Is this shonen or seinen?
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>>135937111
Shoujo
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So everyone's in agreement that is sister is the villain right?
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