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>Studio decide to change things in the anime adaption to fit their episode quota
>Mangafags call it a shitty adaption

>Studio literally adapt the manga to anime, panel to panel with no changes at all
>Mangafags call it a shitty slideshow and bad adaption

How do you please these fucks?
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>OP doesn't understand
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>>135848681
>Everyone has the same opinion
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>>135848681
Most of them are bandwagon autists, if it has big enough hype and popularity they'll say it was ok at best but not as good as the manga.
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>>135848681
>How do you please these fucks?
You don't.
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>>135848787

Name 1 anime that's ever been better than its manga counterpart.

I'll wait, pleb.
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>>135848849
Sailor Moon
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>>135848849
Gintama
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>>135848849
JoJo
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>>135848849
Mahouka
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>>135848849
K-On!
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>>135848849
Hellsing Ultimate.
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>>135848849
Naruto pretimeskip
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>>135848849
Nozaki-kun
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>>135848849
Ashita no Joe
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>>135848849
Ghost in the Shell
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>>135848849
Sabagebu
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>>135848849
Love Lab
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>>135848849
Kaiji
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>>135848849
Mitsudomoe
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>>135848849
Sora no Woto
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>>135848849
One outs and Kuroko
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>>135848849
Rose of Versaille
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>>135848849
Amagami
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>>135848849
Sakura Trick
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>>135848849
Elfen Lied
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>>135848849
Nichijou
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>>135848849
Non Non Biyori
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>>135848849
Full Metal Panic
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>>135848849
Usagi Drop
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>>135848849
Girls und Panzer
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>>135848849
Oniisama e...
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>>135848849
Sakura trick.
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>>135848849
Upotte!!
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anon stoppu
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>>135848849

To be serious for a second, K-ON.
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>>135848849
>26 replies
>13 posters
wew lad
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>>135849009
Fucking this.
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>>135848849
Jormungand
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>>135848849
Kaiji
Nice stealth rec thread anyway
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>>135849365
Nice try
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>>135848849
Kaichou wa Maid-sama!
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>>135849365
Nope
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>>135849380
I'm just listing them as I remember them.
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>>135848681
Wow, it's like different people think different things.
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>>135849365
I only suggested K-On! and Ghost in the Shell. But even if it were a samefag, that still wouldn't change the fact that >>135848849 has been sufficiently proven wrong.
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>>135848849
Lovely Complex
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>>135848849
Koe de Oshigoto!
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>>135848849
Monster
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>>135848849
Planetes
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Wow this thread went to shit
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>>135848849
Nagi no Asukara
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>>135849655
It got good you mean. It was a shit thread to begin with.
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>>135848681
>add filler to fill quota
>don't change anything, pasta the panels
These are both retarded, you faggot. You have to change some things, but you should change things to make it work well in anime, not add incompetently-written plot because you want the series to randomly be longer than it is.
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>>135849583
>The listed anime is right
>Better call them a samefag instead

pic related is another one. The manga is interesting but the anime really made it shine.
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>>135848849
Plastic Neesan
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>>135848849
Cromartie High
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>>135849642
First one that's wrong.
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>>135848849
Seitokai Yakuindomo
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>>135849819
I knew when posting that someone would disagree, but if the anime removed the ninjas it would have been 10/10.
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>>135848849
K-On. The manga is one of the shittiest 4koma ever written.
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>>135848681
There seem to be a lot of people who just don't know the difference between a good adaptation and bad adaptation. Many people seem to think that any change being made to the story, like moving the order of things around, cutting stuff out, changing plot elements, make a bad adaptation. That changes to the source material are inherently bad. They don't seem to realise that the point of an adaptation is literally to CHANGE the source material from a manga into an anime.

Adaptations are fundamentally about changing the source material into something else. To do that well and be successful 95% of the time there will need to be changes. A good adaptation is one that makes as many changes to the story as necessary to make the story work in the new medium. A bad adaptation is one that sticks too rigidly to the source material and fails to introduce anything new or omit anything from the story/situation and thus fails to work in the new format.

You will see all the time like with Boku Dake, the "secondaries" who don't read the manga will have thought that the episode was great and compelling, really interesting and be mostly positive about it. Then the manga fags will come along ad be like "its shit they made changes!" The "secondary" is able to enjoy the anime for what it is, an entertaining show, a successful adaptation, taking a manga and making it into an anime people like to watch. The manga reader has been blinded by his attachment to the way he thinks the story should be told because of the manga and has become obsessed with comparing changes rather than judging the anime as another way of telling the story in a different medium that as a result needs to be different to work.

I think an element of it is that people who read manga and post on /a/ like to shit on anime because it makes them feel superio. I mean the default position on pretty much everything on /a/ is "its shit", then if you are lucky people try to come up with a justification.
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>>135849760
If the manga's worse than the anime was, "interesting" is probably over-praising it.
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>>135848849
Tonari no Seki-kun
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>>135848849
Yuru Yuri
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>>135849892
>You will see all the time like with Boku Dake, the "secondaries" who don't read the manga will have thought that the episode was great and compelling, really interesting and be mostly positive about it. Then the manga fags will come along ad be like "its shit they made changes!" The "secondary" is able to enjoy the anime for what it is, an entertaining show, a successful adaptation, taking a manga and making it into an anime people like to watch. The manga reader has been blinded by his attachment to the way he thinks the story should be told because of the manga and has become obsessed with comparing changes rather than judging the anime as another way of telling the story in a different medium that as a result needs to be different to work.
I haven't watched the episode yet (I've been following the manga), so I don't know about Boku Dake in specific, but a lot of the time it's just that the anime is worse than the manga while still being good or okay, so the people who didn't read it will obviously be more impressed.
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>>135849882
I like the anime well enough but it's a bit too long and Ai is too much of a different character and for the worse.
I also like the manga's story better.
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>>135848849
Working!!
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>>135849760
>kekkai shiten
>failed original garbage and terrible animation
>better than the source material

lol fujoshits
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>>135848849
Vividred Operation
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>>135849979
The main complaint was "its rushed" because they got to the revival to his childhood by the end of the first episode to create a cliffhanger for the next one. As someone never having read the manga I got no impression of it being rushed at all, just seemed to keep a good pace and then come to an end that made you want to see more. Some of the manga readers on the other hand were mad about what was skipped to fit that in there. I can't see why you would be mad unless it was just for the fact there were changes seeing as from the perspective of someone with no knowledge of the manga it came off as working perfectly fine.
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>>135849987
Again if it removed ninjas it would have been shorter with better pacing. Fucking ninjas god damn.

I agree his character is different but I don't see it as better or worse.
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>>135850021
>Failed
>one of the 2015 top 10 in sales

wot
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>>135848681
Mangafags act like /a/ and animeonlyfags act like cancer, I would rather have these mad autists.
Also
>71 replies
>24 posters
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>>135850145
Oh shit, that's like 3 posts per person!
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Azumanga Daioh
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>>135850145
Not everyone comes in to a thread and posts just once.
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>>135850168
Yes, replying to one post.
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>>135850168
>>135850209
Didn't you know you're only allowed 2 posts per thread. Read the /a/ rules, faggots.
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>>135850212
>Reply
>Remember another series
>Reply again

Amazing. Didn't realize there was a rule stating you're only allowed to reply to a post once.
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>>135848849
Violinist of Hameln
Kurenai
Scryed
Giant Robo
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>>135850273
In terms of netiquette double posting is considered bad form.
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>>135850273
>I'll pretend I don't know I'm shitposting
Fuck off.
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>>135848787

Upotte
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>>135850322
>netiquette
>on 4chan
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>>135850335
>I'll pretend I don't know I'm shitposting
Fuck off.
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>>135850335
>Serious replies with correct answers
>Shitposting
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>>135850300
Scryed was a manga?
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>>135850322
He asked for people to name a series better than it's manga counterpart. This is a common reaction, which you'd know if you weren't so new.
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>>135850021
wew lad good meme
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>>135850383
Yeah, it was shit. Lots of nudity and rape tho
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>>135850415
Ah yes, "le ebin huge reply chain samefag" response, quite the meme friend, i recognize it from my meme research on kym.
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>>135850467
This is older than reply displays. This is how 4chan works.
Lurk more.
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>>135850505
>you'd get it if you were as much as an oldfag as me!

Holy shit. What a mongoloid.
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>>135850467
All of the replies are serious and have proper answers for the post they're quoting. This is literally all that matters.
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>>135850547
You know the reason they are in separate posts is to try create the impression that the person they are responding to is overwhelmingly wrong because there are many people who disagree with him rather than just one right?
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>>135850608
No they're in seperate posts because it looks nicer that way
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>>135850608
Actually a few of the replies are mine and I was simply posting them as I remembered.
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>>135850608
I posted mine separately because I wanted the titles to stand on their own.
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>>135850664
>nicer that way
Yeah, sure kiddo.
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>>135850704
>>135850673
>I wasn't intending to create that impression, it just so happens that it does
Really believable. About as believable as "I wasn't intending to steal that money, it just happened to slip into my pocket".
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>>135850762
What impression?
That anon knew more than one title and that others chimed in as well?
Because both of these things are true.
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>>135850705
It would be harder
to pick out a title
if they were all
written in one post
like this

Separate posts makes them easy to spot
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>>135850762
> "I wasn't intending to steal that money, it just happened to slip into my pocket".
It's more like you're saying "That man has money in his pocket, and because I was robbed he must be the culprit".
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I prefer anime adaptions or when the director changes the story to make the anime better like FMA. Its always sueprior even Kubrick did it when he was making movies on the steven king books
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nice recommendation thread
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>>135850819
>31 posts
>13 replies
>>135849359
Majority of them posts were made by one or two faggots, intentionally attempting to create the impression of being more numerous in order to make the person they were responding to look more wrong. It is obvious I don't know why you would even deny it with bullshit like >>135850822

>>135850840
No not really. It has nothing to do with me, it is just obvious to anyone who thinks about it for a second that the purpose of posting like that is to create an impression of more respondents than there are. Some may have been sat there thinking of a title more than once, but the majority of that work is one autist doing it on purpose to make a big reply chain to "prove" how wrong the other guy is.
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>post-2012 babies arguing
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>>135851064
>Majority of them posts were made by one or two faggots,
So?
80% of all posts on /a/ are made by 20% of all anons.
Same for this thread.

>intentionally attempting to create the impression
No, that's just you being stupid.
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>>135851146
I've been here since 2006. This is my post >>135851064
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>>135850547
> This is literally all that matters
No, it's not. Flooding the thread with samefag one-line replies is bad.
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>>135851146
>commie
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This thread is garbage. I blame OP for being an idiot.
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>>135851064
Most of the replies are me and I did it because I'd think of a title after I posted, plus single titles in a post look better than some long list no one will read.

I don't even care to prove him wrong. Manga is hands down the better medium, this isn't even up for debate. But there are exceptions.

Why does it matter how the replies are as opposed to the content of the replies themselves? None of them had bait replies.

>>135851181
It hardly matters. The thread was shit to begin with and basically boils down to "how do you please every single person on the planet".
The answer is you don't. It's impossible.
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>>135850866
I'm not disrespecting Kubrick on what he did with Shining but King's pretty shit so it was hardly a big feat in that regard.
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>>135851249
>some long list no one will read
You are literally doing it to draw attention to yourself and your posts and create an impression. What a faggot. Manga is shit by the way. It has none of the good qualities of anime, just the shitty stories.
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>>135851217
You have a problem with us? We are saving fansubs more than HS's translations.
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>>135851346
>Manga is shit by the way
>It has none of the good qualities of anime

Your opinion is factually wrong.
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>>135851348
Release more reliably, holy shit. You're almost as bad as FFF.
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>>135851399
>opinion is factually wrong
Great meme, not tired and played out at all.
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>>135851346
>You are literally doing it to draw attention to yourself and your posts and create an impression.
Just like reaction images, proper formatting, grammar and other stylistic details.
Things like that are not inherently bad.
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>>135851348
>we are saving fansubs more than non-fansubbers are
Only marginally.
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>>135851466
Spamming a thread to create an impression is inherently bad.
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>>135851503
The question here is what constitutes spamming.
Very few titles are repeated, (mostly K-On!, I believe). So almost every post includes new information.
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>>135848849
Gintama & Ouran High School Host Club.
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>>135851346
>Manga is shit by the way.
How?
Because it doesn't have pretty sounds and color? Because most of the series don't get proper endings or never get another season?

Yeah I guess that's nice.
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>>135851406
We have a schedule on our site, go check it out and disable your adblock while on it, those extra money will make us release faster.
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>>135851348
>meme translations
>saving fansubs
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>>135848849
FMA
Bobobo
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>>135851667
You can get ad money from you when I visit you for some other reason than to find out why a release is 4 weeks late and if there is any mention of you ever finishing the show.
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>>135851667
I've avoided your subs because of the memes and unneeded offensive language thrown in to your subs which doesn't fit most series or characters.

Can you do less of that? That's really all I ask. I don't care if you add -kun or not or what color your subs are or what font you use. It can even be yellow comic sans.
I do appreciate more subgroups and options though.
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>>135848849
Natsume Yuujinchou
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>>135848681
>Studio decide to change things in the anime adaption to fit their episode quota
>Mangafags call it a shitty adaption
If the execution sucks then it sucks, if it's good mangafags can go eat shit.

>Studio literally adapt the manga to anime, panel to panel with no changes at all
>Mangafags call it a shitty slideshow and bad adaption
Why bother with the show? Just read the manga.
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>>135848849
Grenadier but that's mostly because they removed the awful later parts and made their own ending and put some effort into it.

Potemayo, the director understood what to bring into anime and how to do it.

NNB, with some excellent anime original stuff.
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>>135851662
I don't really care too much about the stories in anime, if I want a good story I would read a novel and do. All that leaves for manga is art. I can appreciate some of the art is really well done but that really isn't much to keep your interest as compared to anime. There is so much visual diversity there, in terms of direction, editing, storyboarding, post-production, animation styles and techniques, colouring, digital effects. All manga has is just the storyboarding part really. Then anime also has the OST and VAs which while less important to me give another point of interest.
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>>135851968
>I don't really care too much about the stories in anime
I can't even argue with you because this is so silly. You're basically saying you don't care about the content of a series at all, you just like animation.

You don't even like anime specifically.
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>>135848938
no
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>>135852045
No I don't like anime specifically, it is the type of animation I know the most about though, however I watch animation from all around the world regularly.
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>>135851788
In case you didn't know, not all of Commie's releases are meme tier. They just get a lot of hate because they gave shit anime troll subs 90% of the time. At most they might change one line or two to a meme in their best releases. Pic related is an example of a change they did.
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>>135848849

GATE
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>>135852136
fucking commie
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>>135852132
That's fine then. You can't really say manga is shit just because you like animation though. That's like saying books are shit because you like animation.
Which some people do say, but they're wrong because of it.
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>Studio decides to stick as closely to the manga as they can, including all major and minor events presented there, while preserving the original author's drawing style and aiming at fluid, consistently good animation
>Mangafags call it a good adaption
But we all know that scarcely any studio has enough money to fully meet all those requirements
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>>135852310
I was merely responding to a guy that said manga is the better medium and that is the only valid opinion. From my perspective manga doesn't really offer me much, anime is the better medium. It is really subjective to what you want to get out of it. People who try to act superior because they read or have read some manga are generally stuck in meme thought patterns.
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>>135852417
Yeah but you're not really enjoying anime or manga for what they are, story telling mediums. You're just watching for your animation boner.

The only reason someone would say one is better than the other is for storytelling. Obviously other factors come in such as how good the art is, and how anime can use music or sounds, but it all comes back to storytelling.
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>>135848681
>/a/ is just one person

Kill your self
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>>135848849
Mushishi

The manga is great too, it just works better as an anime.
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>>135848681
>manga isn't faithful to the original source material
>anime is faithful to it
>mangafags complain and bitch about "secondaries"

They're completely fucking retards, that's why. /a/ doesn't give a rat's ass about the source material, they've got no respect for it in the slightest. They just need that epic internet e-cred.
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>>135852493
Don't get me wrong here. When I was referring to stories earlier, I was talking the actual story, the plot and such. Not all the elements used to tell that story. It isn't solely about the animation. I mean I got into animation through watching international cinema rather than because I saw some picture of Kirino on /sp/ and thought it looked cute. The most fascinating thing about anime and animation generally is the amount of diversity it allows for in visual expression. The "camera" can do anything even the impossible. You can use colour however you want, frame your shot from somewhere you could never really achieve and so on.
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>>135852610
Depends, really. The anime is ponderously slow.
I for one prefer that and for me it's a big point of charm, but I hear equal measures of people criticizing the pacing since a chapter is always spread to one full episode, save for the specials.
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>>135852173
Ebin b8
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>>135852741
No, I understand. You have an animation fetish.

I have an art fetish. I enjoy both anime and manga in that respect. But I find manga to be the superior storytelling format.
>The "camera" can do anything even the impossible. You can use colour however you want, frame your shot from somewhere you could never really achieve and so on.
These can be done in manga as well. Art in general has tons of impossibilities.
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>>135849892
Change isn't inherently bad, but extensive changes are generally disappointing for manga fans who were excited to see their favorite series animated, especially if those changes don't really improve anything. Just because they changed something doesn't necessarily mean the change was a good idea
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>>135852921
What I am trying to say is that while I don't really often find the stories hugely compelling, original or insightful, I do enjoy seeing how they are told and the techniques used to tell them. I don't watch anime for the stories themselves mostly, rather for the way the story is told and there are so many more options in how to tell the story in anime than manga so much more to be interested in.
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>>135849892
>Rushing sucks
>Filler sucks
>Anime original endings suck
>Incompetently fucking with the order of events sucks
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>>135852987
I'm not saying it is necessarily a good idea, manga fans do tend to be biased towards thinking it was a bad idea though just because it isn't like the manga they fell in love with. They feel betrayed almost. They get blinded by that and fail to consider the wider picture quite often I think.
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Gakkou gurashi was a shit adaption.
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>>135852990
But anime are mostly regurgitating source material, they aren't telling the stories in unique ways most the time. Or they have original endings which are god awful.

There are very few that actually use all anime has to offer to tell a story. Like all the hidden stuff that happens in Hyouka. Even though it was an adaption, it actually used the animation to tell the story in a way the source material never could have.

Problem is 99% of anime don't do this.
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>>135849760
many of them aren't. many of them aren't even manga originally.
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>>135852921
>But I find manga to be the superior storytelling format
This is a bit silly statement. Different formats and mediums have their own strengths on accomplishing interesting storytelling.
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>>135853261
You can enjoy one more than the other.
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>>135849892
sometimes it looks like we're being overly harsh, but bokumachi was fine for the most part. but once you see a scene that is worse than the source it's "worse than i expected" and it becomes very noticeable.
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>>135853193
There ten to be 2 or 3 shows that are really good at it a year, then maybe 10 or so that are competent but I agree most anime is shit. A lot of the time it is obvious the director and storyboarder have put little thought into why they show you what they show you in the way they choose to show it. They are literally just showing you what is happening. It is disappointing when that is the case but you can usually spot the series that will be like that a mile off and paying attention to things like staff, following directors you like, rather than studio usually really helps weed those out before wasting time on them. Things with odd art styles are often worth a try too, to have an art style that is far away from the mainstream you would have had to thought about the visual presentation in at least some way.
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>>135853261
Manga is able to do internal monologues which generally explain much more about a character and what they're thinking. Internal monologues don't work nearly as well in anime.

And since anime mostly adapts manga or LNs, they wont add new things to expand the characters as a person. Usually.
Sure, different formats and mediums have their own strengths, but are you going to tell me novels aren't the best storytelling format?

Now if we're talking about if all mediums had an unlimited budget, anime would be superior hands down. It'd be able to tell the full story without pacing issues or never getting another season. It'd have pristine animation, music, sounds, etc. Sadly we're not talking "what if".
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>>135853420
I was really surprised about how well Prison School was adapted. They did really well with the story boarding and direction. I don't normally care about scene transitions or direction in anime but it was good in that aspect.

But I can see your point and definitely understand where you're coming from here.
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>>135853450
Objectively looking at composing narrative in general and encompassing everything, sure, novel is a lot of the time the best format because it is "easy" to form.
Visual mediums are trickier because they require partly the same kind of writing you'd do for a book and partly an entirely different approach which is "how do I incorporate the visual aspect to tell the story as well".
World has a history of some 100+ years of cinema to prove it works if a competent artist does it, just like a novel works if a competent artist writes it.
Just because most of anime is adapted from something, or is vapid, or not artistically meaningful in some way, doesn't mean something substantial cannot come out of it.
In my opinion this doesn't make any format inherently superior to others.
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>>135852921
>>135853450
>But I find manga to be the superior storytelling format.
I don't understand this view. Why is manga a better format? I like manga, and I used to think the same as you, until I actually started watching anime.
Don't get me wrong, I like manga a lot, and I've read some great manga, but I prefer the experience of anime. It has an immersive quality that manga lacks. And manga is one of the most limited formats there are. It has a lot of potential, like any medium, but most manga are written as if they were anime storyboards. And it's not a novel, it's panels with a sentence or two of text at most. It doesn't have extensive depth or nuance that's necessarily lost by converting it to anime. Of course things are lost, but that's true for any adaption, and not specifically because manga is a superior storytelling format.

Manga also takes a lot more work on the reader's part to really get the best of, in my experience. In say, an anime or any sort of film-like medium, you just watch the action, a book has pages and pages of text to draw you in. These things immerse the reader naturally. A manga is just a few words and still images, and in order to really appreciate a manga you have to read slowly and really use your imagination to bring it to life in your mind. A lot of manga readers fall into the trap of reading too quickly and skimming. I personally find this enjoyable, but I think complaints about this aspect are understandable.

Anime doesn't have to have perfectly pristine audios. visuals, stories and pacing to be a stronger medium to me. Manga doesn't reach this level of perfection either. When you say manga is superior, do you mean only manga adaptions, or originals too? Do you think manga adaptions of original anime are better than the source material? Either way, I don't understand why manga would be inherently a better medium.
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>>135854096
>until I actually started watching anime.
People actually read manga first? I watched anime and got in to manga way after, because I didn't like reading.

Once I started reading books I started reading manga.
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>>135852264
>Meanwhile at CR
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>>135854096
>A lot of manga readers fall into the trap of reading too quickly and skimming
I think this is why I find it difficult to enjoy manga thinking about it. I am one of the guys posting that prefers anime and even when I love the art style, the art and story of a manga and have no real criticism of it I end up just losing interest and giving up. I have tried reading all the works that are recognized as masterpieces of the medium pretty much and I could appreciate why they were, they just never capture my interest long enough to keep me going back to actually finish them.
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>>135854139
I got into manga first because I was a lazy shit and you can read a manga faster than you can watch an anime. Eventually I watched an adaption of one of my favorites and got hooked. I still read manga sometimes, but not nearly as much as I used to.
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>>135849760
it was so good it didn't even have an ending, woow
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>>135854096
>Do you think manga adaptions of original anime are better than the source material?
Most the time, god no. Manga adaptions are usually terrible and never adapt more than 1% of the source material.
In this respect, I'd say manga adaptions are generally way worse than anime adaptions. I'm not saying anime adaptions are bad, because that's literally all anime is anymore. It's just that they never do anything special with it being an anime.
The only one I can truly think of doing something special is Hyouka. I know there are others I just can't think of them.

I find manga better simply because of the constraints anime has. Budget being the source of all wrongdoings. But the worst is half the shit that gets adapted will never get another season and therefor never get an ending.
Yes, manga suffers from cancellations as well, but at least it ends for everyone. If you only watch anime you'll have a much larger handful of unfinished series.

A true patrician will read manga that doesn't have anime, and watch anime then read manga for more. Or if the anime adaption is poor just reading the manga instead. I may find manga to be more enjoyable, but I also like anime. I'll never understand people who only watch/read one or the other.
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>>135854096
I developed into reading manga, meaning I gradually came to appreciate art, composition, panelling etc. the more I read.
Additionally you sort of learn a "correct" way to read as you go, so to speak.
Go through quickly the bits where attention to detail is minimal, as it doesn't require thorough inspection since there is nothing much to look at anyway, and linger a while on the details when they do appear and/or when the scene warrants it.
I have a friend whom I've seen reading and he just glances over the most gorgeous of pages and spreads, moving almost instantly onwards since there is little or no text there.
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