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What does /a/ think of Daicon IV?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTB9rzP2efE

Has animation become more lazy and CGI oriented over time?
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I think Anno should of grabbed the original film reels of Daicon III and IV whilst he was in the Gainax vault collecting the NGE masters before those bozos burn the building to the ground to collect the insurance money.
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>>135835061
>tfw you'll never see the original quality of Daicon IV
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Nowadays, not many interested working as animator in Japan when they got paid at slave rate. So they must make any animation as cheap (and easy) as possible.
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>you will never own the Daicon LD release
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>>135834977
I still love it. Twilight by ELO works really well with all the different references that were animated.
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>>135834977
>>135836269

Yesterday I was watching Metropolis again, and I was reminded of how pretty CGI animation can be if the director and animators are good enough to blend them in.

Metropolis has the best of both worlds.
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>>135834977
I fucking love it.
You can see the passion behind it, it's the epitemy of anime should be like.

Always meant to ask, does she have a name?
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>>135836419
>Always meant to ask, does she have a name?
Daicon IV
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>there are people on /a/ that weren't even at the Daicon 4 opening ceremony
Is there anything worse than people who haven't been into anime for the past 30 years posting like they know anything at all?

Get off my lawn, you little shits.
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>>135834977
Remember that time Anno did a really shitty 3DCG version of the Daicon IV OP?
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>>135836496

I don't think there's people on /a/ who were even alive before the internet became norm.

I don't think most people here know the joys and perils of having a group of outcast friends who are into obscure anime to exchange rare fansubbed VHSs with.
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>>135836646
>le pizzaface smiles
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>>135836646
I'm horrible at making friends so I'm fine with /a/
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>>135836269
I still miss hand drawn mechanical design. I can appreciate nicely drawn cars, tanks, planes, robots, power suits, whatever... I like hand drawn animation because it is moving pictures. And you can easily see animator's drawing skills when those things are moving. I don't care about super detailed 3D CGI models being rendered from every possible angle.

I also miss painted backgrounds. Today most shows have weird 3D CGI backgrounds or copy-pasted stock pictures (or both). Often the background doesn't really go well with drawing style of the characters. Sure, sometimes there still is painted or drawn background here and there, but is rather scarce on TV shows.
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>>135836269
This shit is so full of holes, goddamn
Budget has little to do with animation quality. Evangelion was drawn on recycled animation cels Anno got rummaging through Miyazaki's trash and OPM has a pretty typical budget for a seasonal anime.
OVAs simply do not exist anymore, which is why people use them as an example of good animation. OVAs are basically what DLC is to video games-- an extra episode with maybe some anime tiddies. The only exception I can think of recently is Carnival Phantasm.
Anyone who knows anything (read:not the dumb redditor who made that) knows that TV animation hit its peak in the late 90s, before getting sent back to the 70s again with digital animation. Animation the 60s and 70s was awful. Toei made bad animation their business.
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>>135834977
Uninspired shit. Daicon III is actually a nice watch.
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>>135836465
She is just Bunny Girl.
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>>135834977
I wonder if her design was based on Yukiko Okada
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>>135836646
>I don't think there's people on /a/ who were even alive before the internet became norm.
Are you implying that the most of the /a/ is underaged? Because I am pretty sure internet wasn't such a thing before 2000.
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>>135836814
The early 2000s had some great looking stuff like Planetes, Gankutsuo and Texhnolyze. The 70s also had some really nice looking stuff.

What I'm getting at is that there is always ana exception so trying to generalise why animation is good can't be done.
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>>135836646
>I don't think most people here know the joys and perils of having a group of outcast friends who are into obscure anime to exchange rare fansubbed VHSs with.
How does one even fansub VHSs?
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>>135836795

I like handdrawn/cel-painted because it just has that certain look that's given to it via the entire process and film. I think it also just might be my fondness for 80s character design branching off wildly from all the sameface of the 70s.
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>>135836828
There's quite a bit of quality in it compared to IV though.
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>>135836269
Something I would note though is that Cel animation has far better colour and texture and blends layers together better than digital animation.

Digital colouring always looks flat to me.

I've always wondered if you can make digital animation look like cel animation with filters, but even big budget Ghibli digital stuff suffers from flat colouring and background/characters not blending.

In terms of animation, while I think there is better animation today on average, I don't think its that controversial to say the OVA's and Movies of the 90s had by far the best animation anime has ever seen.
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>>135837060

cute
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>>135837034
Exceptions are what justify generalizations, though.
Good animation is the outlier nowadays because anime is produced cheaply by fanboy otaku who don't have technical skill. Back in the 80s and 90s there were a shit ton of high quality OVAs and movies, and studios like Sunrise were shitting out gold TV anime like it was nothing.
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>>135837112
Daicon IV certainly looks neater and has much better animation, but it's also too messy and over the top. Daicon III actually feels like a nice little piece of animation. I prefer cute story filled with references than some flashy extravaganza of references on acid.
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>>135837060
With a Commodore Amiga and a lot of patience.
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>>135837199
There's no shading on the characters in that still of Ponyo, that's why it looks flat.
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>>135837199
>blends layers together better than digital animation.
Hell no, layers are more noticeable in cel anime, especially on lesser productions. Digital composite is much more efficient and better, nowadays it's mostly a matter of proper art direction to make sure things blend together.
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>>135837062
>80s character design

Japan aesthetically peaked in the 80s, this is fact.

Also 80s and 90s had the best character designs, this is because cel animation allows for much more detail in character design due to the hand done colouring process, while most colouring today is done with the fill tool, it's why modern anime designs have a lot of space and are very angular, so its easier to colour.

Hell even compare the design between Rebuild and the TV and you'll actually notice the design has been made simpler.
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>>135837533
>this is because cel animation allows for much more detail in character design due to the hand done colouring process
Digital or traditional colouring has no bearing on the level of detail in character designs.
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>>135837648
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>>135837666
Yeah, it's similar in detail. The real change is the colour contrast in lighter and darker tones. It's lesser in the digital version. Bear in mind that this is no limitation of digital colouring, but rather a conscious decision on the staff's part. Whether this is more or less visually appealing is another story though.
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>>135837326
As someone who actually LIVED through the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s this statement is absolute trash.

The problem you, and most everyone here has, is they watch only a slice of anime from those periods, almost always the most talked about (hint best) shows completely ignoring the heaps of shit we had to wade through during the 70s, 80s, and 90s to get to the gems.

Now you are faced with the same problem we oldfags had for decades, you need to wade through heaps of trash to find the good quality shit and you wonder why it couldn't be like it so obviously was 20 years ago, a period you only heard about from the internet.
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I think there is something we can all agree on.

Jpop peaked in the early 2000s.

Personal opinion: With this album.

Also modern Jpop is trash.
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>>135837199
>you can make digital animation look like cel animation with filters
Gundam Reconguista did that pretty well
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>>135836269
>budget
Stop reading right there.
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>>135834977
Inspiring and cool.
It's basically Gainax's best five minute stretch (and therefore one of the peaks of animation generally).
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The people making and directing the art are far more important than the tools that they have been given. This is a show from 2003, the fucking dark ages of anime art thanks to the rocky adoption of and adaption to digital technology. What you make it with and when you make it gives it a certain visual flavour and personality but it isn't the deciding factor like some claim.
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>>135837912
>Being a weeb I have to defend Japans honour against dirty coreans when all my friends are listening to Kpop
>Look through all new Jpop
>Only Nakushit or idoltrash

That said, Charisma.com are pretty fantastic, but they are the only good thing in Jpop these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDEl77WMY8Q
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>>135838197
>Nakushit
Care to elaborate?
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>>135838084
What is some shitty anime that you're referring to? For comparison purposes.
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>>135838233
Artists produced by Yasutaka Nakata.

Perfume, Kyary, Meg, basically any big Jpop pop star.
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>>135837912

Early 00s Jpop has way too many rhythm and blues influences.
I prefer 80s and 90s, and even current Jpop to early 00s.
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>>135838344
Any screenshots of shit art I had from that era probably went AWOL two or three computers ago, but the 'bad' examples in >>135836269 should convey the point. If anybody else has a few good examples of shows from that 2000-2006 span to contribute feel free.
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>>135838197
>>135838233
>>135837912
Get your Korean pop shit out of my thread!
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>>135837912
>>135838197

My niggers.

>meme artists like Eir Aoi can never dream of nailing a live performance like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwT9BFAi8ks

That said, Momoiro Clover Z, Especia and Shiina Ringo are still pretty based.

>tfw there will never be a Kinoko Teikoku or tricot OP/ED though
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Daicon IV is great.
I watch it once in a while.
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>>135838197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n00rW8ahb6k

Vaporwave is the savior of Japanese music.
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>>135838344
Gundam SEED is a notable example
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>le shitty hey newfags bet you aint seen this meme
please stop grandpa
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>>135839418
Funny, both it and Planetes are Sunrise shows.
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>>135837199
>digital stuff suffers from flat colouring and background/characters not blending.
Dude, there's even a slang termn for the unavoidable noticeability of elements over the background in cel animation. Google "Conspicuously Light Patch".
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I can't get used to full CG cars, but trains are ok.
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>>135837819
Having also lived through the 70's-80's-90's myself (and watched both anime and western animation, both European and American), I have to agree with you. I've seen gems made back the. I've also seen incredible crap. Amusingly, some series were famously BOTH at the same time (Go Nagai, I'm looking at YOU).In modern stuff, I also find a mix of gems and garbage.
I had a laugh watching Shirobako when they reference this very thing.
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>>135837819

I think even garbage anime can be easily watched if it's released remastered on BD. Sure the story is still bad, but maybe just the act viewing it is made easier because shit quality + shit story just makes people want to quit.
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>>135839467

who are you quoting, junior?
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>>135834977
fun!
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>>135834977
Daicon is the reason why I got into ELO or the other way around, I don't remember.
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Direly needs a remaster.
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>>135842576
>Remastering copyright infringement, the short
Not going to happen. Also I think the only way to see it in its original form is to see it at the studio as a visitor, if you could.
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>>135843041
Whatever happened to the principle of fair use?
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>>135836290
I will never love it.
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>>135839043
>Vaporwave

That "music" is not even japanese, and is made by Trans-genreded omnisexual hipster individuals that browse tumblr and it's supposed to have some half-assed anti-capitalist message,

I don't understand how that garbage bacame a thing here, maybe because most /mu/tants are actually tumblrites like half the anons at /co/mblr
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>>135843968
>fair use

laughing RIAA.jpg
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>>135843968
Playboy threatened to sue, Gainax pussed out.
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>>135844666
>suing over references in pop culture

It's like they hate free publicity!
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>>135837199

I would imagine it takes more effort to make less flat looking digital animation.

At least that's what I tell myself to keep me from crying when looking at all the flat looking anime these days.
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>>135845238
Things looked just as bad before.
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>>135845367

Background more detailed than whole season of anime now.
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>>135845480
yap
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>>135845480
There are still good backgrounds in some shows.
Pretty much anything studio pablo is on. Try WIXOSS.
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>>135836419
Daicon Bunny Girl
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>>135837060
you spent 10 grand on one of these babies.
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The flying swords in Daicon IV are still incredible to me.
So smoothly animated. Same with the terraforming scenes and the explosions.

I'm usually lenient with CG in anime, but the way that special effects and explosions are so lazily done nowadays with it is pretty sad.
Hand animated destruction is so beautiful.
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>>135834977
I hate this bitch
she has a man's face and her hair looks like a rug
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>>135846876
Did you expect any less from Itano?
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>>135846436
>fansubbers
>spending 10k on subbing equipment that won't even let them shitpost on usenet

It was Video Toaster for the Amiga.
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>>135847259
Go back to drawing Tiger Skunk non porn Eric
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>>135847431
sauce?
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DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIICOOOOOOOOOOOOON
V!
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>>135846876
Though wasn't the blood done like this because of NGE? Not saying it looks good, but I remember when in Ep 16 Eva 01 broke out of Leliel, it looked weird as well.
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>>135848265
HOT
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Are Daicon I and II even a thing or did they skip right to III?
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>>135836229
But I do.
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>>135835061
Shot on super 8. A modern scan wouldn't be that great.
Better than laserdisc yeah, but temper expectations.
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>>135850272
I think an Anon worked out that a 4800dpi scan of the original film would give you a video resolution that was only just above DVD level
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>>135850361
I don't know the math for 8mm, I've only read one paper (and skimmed a couple others) and it was on 16mm and 35mm.
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>>135834977
Remember when Gainax was the top of the food chain?
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>>135850655
What a ride.

Who is it now, Shaft?
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>>135850741
I'd say three way between PA (on their good days), KyoAni and Madhouse.
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>>135850213
I could explain, but it would be faster for you to google it.
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Goddamn, hearing that music is pure nostalgia
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>>135850774
For production values I'd say Kyoani but their work (visually) is rather insipid in my opinion.
>Madhouse
Madhouse was brain drained ten years ago let alone now.
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>>135836646
>>135836916

I think he means before the internet was the norm for anime. Most people were on dial up or something shitty, hindering the ability to share anime.
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Old Gainax was nuts.

Shame they're gone
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>>135851490
That looks damn good for 24p.
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>>135844475
wow way to let tumblrites define what a genre means to you. they're already over vaporwave, you're just ignorant enough to stick with a shitty first impression
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>>135851490
>Old Gainax was nuts.
Like what?
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>>135851490
>Old Gainax was nuts.

>The Chocolate Panic Picture Show
>Jaw-droppingly racist musical in which grossly caricatured Africans Manbo, Chinbo, and Chonbo causes chaos in civilisation despite the efforts of their pretty tour guide/bedmate to tame their zany, grass-skirted cannibal ways.
Yep good times.
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>>135837199

pretty sure top picture isn't even a movie frame but promo art
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>>135851648
I doubt any studio these days could get away with making Otaku no Video or keeping that depressed autist Anno on payroll, let alone let him direct anything.
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Non-anime comparison. I feel like digital doesn't have the same 'life' that older animation had. It obviously can, but with a far higher budget than what a regular animated series can afford.
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>>135852107
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>>135851490
Needs more PC game CG rips.
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TWIIIIIIIILIIIIIIIIIIGHT
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>>135852138
okay
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>>135851490
Holy shit this quality.
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>>135852304
I was blown away the first time I saw that.
There's so much happening on the screen at any time, it's incredible.
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>>135852107
I don't have any clue about animation, but bottom one looks horrible. Stuff like Marge's hair wobbling, her relief give an immediate summary of her character, as well making the scene somewhat goofy. Bottom one just looks mechanical.
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