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In genderbender series do you prefer it for the MC to turn into a loli or into a voluptuous girl?
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>>135804446
Always voluptuous girl, because that's what I want to turn into.
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Cute trap
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>>135804446
I don't mind as long as MC is easy on the eyes.

And pisses herself at least once. This is very important.

>>135804579
L O N D O N
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Translations never
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>>135804446
If he's a shota he turns into a loli. If he's an adult he turns into a voluptuous girl.

I mean it's basic logic
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Magical pantsu loli transformation is great.
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Ether, as long as there is a physical change I'm diamonds.
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>>135804519
Agreed. Better for the character to turn into a voluptuous girl since a very feminine appearance is best for a genderbent character.
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>>135804519
>>135805045
You guys just want to get railed.
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>>135804446
tity monster, TITY MOSTER
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I don't like traps or gender bending because it still focuses too much on the male aspects or past male aspects of the MC.
I just self insert as normal 100% female MCs.
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>>135804446
into an ugly guy
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>>135804446
A Tomboy, of course.
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a smelly one
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>>135805582
Gotdamn, she cray
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>>135804846
I think there's an OVA coming out this month with more Riko if I'm not mistaken.

Nurse Riko
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>>135804446
To not turn fucking gay, holy fuck I'm fucking tired of this shit, every fucking manga.
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>>135804446
Depends on what kind of man the protagonist was beforehand.
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>>135806014
It's not gay for a girl to fall in love with a boy.
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>>135804446
>tfw new chapter translations never
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>>135804800
This. Personally I'd want tits to play with. That's like half the reason I'd fantasize about getting gender bender.

Big breasts are great, but I respect all sizes. I could even see smaller ones being fun. Like the size of them in Goku Girl
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They should look like a female version of their older selves. If the guy was a shota, turn to loli. If he was a handsome guy, voluptuous girl. if he was androgynous, small tits+birthing hips; if he was a mountain of muscles, muscle girl.
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>>135806132
>Goku Girl
shit. meant Boku Girl
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>>135804800
I think the opposite might be better
>Shota turned into voluptuous girl but doesn't know anything about being one.
>adult turned into loli but still has the mind of an adult.
Hmm either is good.
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>pedo bait or slut

No thanks. I'll have my MC turn into a pure and modest girl please

As a side note I love it when they try on outfits, especially against their will.

This series is great. Anyone know if it's gonna continue?
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>>135805582
Why does that farting loli's pantsu ride so low?
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>>135806466
god damn man why do clothes look so nice in 2d but awful in 3d?
tunics look like shit, camisoles look like shit and literally nobody can pull off bunnygirl but this anime >girl has it perfect
what's the trick?
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>>135806671
Everything looks nice in 2d but awful in 3d.
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>>135806961
Oh shit, you're right
2d rapture when?
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>>135807118
No, any sauce that gets on her is mine to lick up.
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>>135807118
Sure:
http://exhentai.org/g/572471/6e09498083/
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>>135806466
Well-endowed girls can be pure and modest too you know.
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>>135804446
What's the one on the right from?
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>>135807197
Thanks
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>>135804446
Both are fine as long as it ends yuri.
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Hey anyone have a favorite gender bender manga/anime? I've been looking for ones I haven't seen.

Even if it's something like MtF Body Swap instead of a transformation
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>>135807528
Nozomu Nozomi was good, but too short. Boku Girl is fine too.
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>>135807501
I can get behind that
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>>135806566
The one that buy her clothes is a huge pervert, not even making shit up.
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>>135807528
Remix Heart is my favorite. Mai is a wonderful girl. (And I though that it did a good job covering Mai's adaptation to being a girl and I also liked the fact that Mai seriously grappled with the consequences of her transformation to her personal identity.)
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>>135807501
What's the point of seeking out genderbender specifically then? Why not go for normal yuri?

Half the fun is seeing her fighting her newly acquired female instincts and desires.
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>>135807197
what's the story here? also is there a translation for the visual novel?
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Girl not far removed from guy form.
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>>135807501
>>135807686
I think it's more interesting if the character is mentally affected by the transformation instead of them simply treating it as a disguise. A change in sexual preferences is a good way to illustrate that and one that is more clear-cut compared to stuff that could be chalked up to nurture rather than nature; e.g. having the character start crying more easily or suddenly taking a liking to pretty dresses (which are things I've seen in genderbender stories).

>>135805984
The raw is out for that:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=772052
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>>135807774
>What's the point of seeking out genderbender specifically then? Why not go for normal yuri?
Because you like the fantasy of becoming a girl and having a lesbian relationship?

>Half the fun is seeing her fighting her newly acquired female instincts and desires.
I don't see the fun in that, but it's very hot in porn.
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>>135805045
Mizuki from Boku girl disagree.
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>>135807935
I think both ways can make for good gender bender. But I personally I think the less mental change the better. Part of the fun for me is seeing how a guys brain copes with a woman's body.

Riko in to To Love Ru is a good example of what I mean. Speaking of which thank you for that I had no idea. You are a god.
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>>135806014
>Has a vagina
>Craves cock

>This is gay

What a world we live in
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>>135804446
Shit does anyone have a download for the VN the one on the right is in?
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A voluptuous girl, because that's what I want to be. I want to suddenly become a girl with sizable breasts and a nice ass and slowly seduce all my old friends.
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>>135806230
>If the guy was a shota, turn to loli. If he was a handsome guy, voluptuous girl. if he was androgynous, small tits+birthing hips; if he was a mountain of muscles, muscle girl.
This. I don't really like it when they practically turn into a different person entirely.
I mean, they don't have to look alike. But I like the idea of being able to tell that they can actually have been the same person.
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>>135807791
That series started out as an LN trilogy whose title is Mezameru to Itoko wo Mamoru Bishoujo Kenshi ni Natteita (After Waking Up I Became My Cousin's Beautiful Guardian Swordswoman). It also got an eroge end eromanga adaptation. There was also a 4th LN with a different set of characters.

The MC becomes a swordswoman whose mission is to protect her cousin, who she's in love with, from demons. She's not very good at it though and tends to get defeated and raped. In the nukige she gets raped by female classmates, male classmates, strangers on the street, a futa, demons and tentacle monsters. It has multiple mindbreak endings but no translation. From what I can gather the LNs have less rape, no mindbreak and a good end.
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>>135804446
Voluptuous girl if there is mindbreak. Loli if he becomes a slut willingly.
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>>135808291
Cool. Does a good end mean he changes back or like he accepts his form?
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How would you wear your cute 2d girl hair?
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>>135808189
That image is from an LN, but here's the nukige adaptation of the first LN:
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=215772

Here's the gallery of the nukige:
http://exhentai.org/g/561393/3ca96d20d6/

>>135808380
Good end: Switches back and fucks his cousin that he's in love with. (Though the scene at the end shows that he keeps switching forms.)
Bad ends: Gets mindbroken by demons and is used as their cumdumpster/human urinal.
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>>135808489
Thanks
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>>135808475
h i m e
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>>135808114
>A cup has all ugly women
>C cup are all shitholes(Yes, Canada and Aussieland are shit due to laws and shit internet)
>D cup and larger than D cup are too big

Guess I'll have to go with B and live in New Zealand or Greenland
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>>135807774
Because it can be cute. Suddenly the 'guy' can hang out with his crush, go shopping with her, try cute dresses and 'experiment'.
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>>135807528
http://exhentai.org/g/805313/1e9e00b490/

Not sure about favorite, but this is breddy gud.
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>>135808135
Fair enough. Everyone has different preferences after all. I like it more if the character's mind gradually changes to fit their body instead of staying the same. Though I wouldn't consider TLR a good example either way, since the MC rarely turns into a girl and doesn't explore living as a girl much.

By the way, apparently Riko can be turned hetero. If one is lucky enough, it is possible to win Riko's heart according to this official To Love Ru guide:
>Since she's actually a man inside, capturing her will be extremely difficult. However, if you get to help her when she's really troubled, maybe...!?

>>135808212
I agree that they should look similar to an extent, but I think that it's boring if they're too similar (as in e.g. Boku Girl). Better if the two forms to resemble siblings for example.
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>>135808291
a few years ago i bought the LN's thinking they were hentai mangas. so, now i have all the LN's. The art is good, but I'd rather have this http://exhentai.org/g/578279/ae61b67e77/

I'm surprised this hasn't been translated yet.
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>>135809309
Yeah, it would be nice to see that manga translated into English.
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>>135806071
Sauce? Google doesn't find anything.
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>>135809782
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=55455
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>>135810009
Thank you!
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>>135807852
Look at that hand-holding slut.
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I would like to be a voluptuous girl. There's a VR suit being designed, so probably 10 to 20 years people will be able to know what it feels like to be in another genders body. You can even be in an anime girls body. Too bad I was born too soon.
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>>135804446
A loli. My fantasy is to turn into a loli and immediately go to my local university to troll the undergraduates
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>>135804446
I have a gender bendig fetish and I don'tem want to be a girl. I'm starting to feel like the odd one.
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>>135804446
Either is fine as long as story interesting.
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>>135811858
I feel the same way.
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>>135811858
I guess you should be happy, since practically every genderbender story has the MC transforming against their will. It gives the story the protagonist something to grapple with, as well as a possible goal in trying to reverse the transformation.
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Recently started shishunki bitter change.

This shit is great.
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>>135811858
I just want to take a girls body for a test drive. Not be one permanently. Fuck that.

At least that's what I tell myself
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>>135814515
One of my favorites, I put it on hold for no reason and have been wanting to pick it back up.
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>>135814591
>I just want to take a girls body for a test drive. Not be one permanently. Fuck that.
What if you get to keep the dick?
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>>135814515
I didn't like the fact that the characters in had such difficulty in adjusting to living as the opposite sex even though they had spent years that way thanks to the timeskip and despite having changed while they were still children; i.e. before establishing a firm gender identity. Also it has been pretty slow overall. Though it does seem to be heading in the right direction.

>>135815215
I think that genderbending where the character keeps their dick kind of defeats the point of the exercise.
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>>135815215
No thanks. Not into being a freak.
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>>135815343
>I think that genderbending where the character keeps their dick kind of defeats the point of the exercise.
Genderbending and "Sexbending" should be distinct no?
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>>135815510
Call me when you've managed to change the search tags to accommodate that on all the major sites
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>>135815406
>freak
You say freak I say superior life-form.
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>>135816105
potato potato
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>>135815510
Stop tumblr
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If you split into two people, one remained the same and the other turned into a loli
Would you fuck loliyou?
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>>135817259
Who fucking wouldn't?
i'd honestly rather be the loli 2bh
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>>135804446
>In genderbender series do you prefer it for the MC to turn into a loli or into a voluptuous girl?

Id prefer for one of the MCs shota friends to turn into a voluptuous girl and then have him romantically court her.
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>>135806071
dat ending
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>tfw aside from the 15-min long TLRD OVA, there will more than likely be no genderbending anime this year
>Only notable manga is Boku Girl (which I'm not that much a fan of) and Ame Nochi Hare (which NEVER FUCKING UPDATES what the hell it already ended)
>tfw there will never be a TG anime/manga where not only does the protagonist's gender change, but so does reality so as far as the whole world is concerned, he was born a girl, and he goes into a whole "It's a Wonderful Life" spiel
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>>135804446
into an oppai loli
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>>135804446
loli
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>>135804446

Why not both, like the one in Twintails?
Has a flat form and a big breasted form.
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I don't mind it as long is something from this guy.
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>>135821457
Sauce?
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>>135821457
Or this other guy.
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>>135817259
Which one is the copy?
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>>135817259
>3D

No. I'm already an insufferable fuck god knows I'd probably choke my loli self out of sheer frustration.
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>>135821496
taniguchi
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>>135808672
Do you want to know how I know you're an American?
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>>135805582
>this somehow turned into a battle shounen
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http://exhentai.org/g/861708/efad2f1fbf/
Voluptuous
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>>135814591
Natsuru had a really sweet deal once he could control the bracelet, didn't he?
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>>135817687
Yeah, the ending of that manga was rather disappointing.
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>>135822602
The author ran out of ideas and threw in robot exsuits, magical girls and anything else he could think of. Ending it soon after was for the best.

>>135818859
Quite a few genderbender manga are only partially translated. That is the fate of manga with low popularity.
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tfw no gender bender this season
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>check new gander bender stuff on sadpanda
>get this
http://exhentai.org/g/891668/ec93f479f0/

YEAH BABY
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>>135827754
>that last page
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>>135806230

Agreed. Whats the point in a genderbender if they might as well be a different character?

Also bro.
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How come the best gender bender always comes from people who only do one shots and not people who do gender bender for a living
e.g. Shindol, Hisasi, Doumou
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>>135811858
This is the same for me and I realized its because I just have a fetish for girls being mindbroken and gender bender is the most reliable tag for showing the mental process in detail
While I was reading http://exhentai.org/g/887392/e7b477447f/ I realized I related more to the ugly guy that managed to create his own fuckbuddy waifu from scratch than the girl.
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What's the point of turning into a girl if I'm not soft and juicy?
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>>135804446
Turning into a similar body type that becomes more feminine is generally the easiest way and enjoyable way to do it. But, loli gender bending is actually fun and the only way I can fap to loli. I'd say loli gender bending is better because not just is there the constant identity crisis, there is also the fact the person will become childish from being in child's body, making it more fun

>>135827623
I've been meaning to ask for a while, but why exactly do you tripfag? You are pretty much the only tripfag I'm ok with, as you only trip in genderbender shit and aren't an annoying ego faggot. But for what purpose is it all for?
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>>135817259

of course
I'd also marry myself

dual income, no kids, no chance of getting divorced, unconditional love forever

the purest form of love
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>>135817259
As long as I'm the one who turns into the loli rather then the split, all is good.
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>>135829270
>unconditional love forever
I honestly wouldn't be able to stand myself.
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Will i be cute!?
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>>135804446
I prefer when they crossdress because I can't relate to magic/science garbage.
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>>135830330
That's the rule.
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>>135827754
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>>135828362
>people who do gender bender for a living

Because they're not right in the head.
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>guy turns into a girl
>gets raped by his best friend
>gets raped by his older brother
>gets raped by his younger brother
>teacher
>father
>grandfather
why japan?
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>>135830572

gonna need sauce on that senpai
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It depends on the genre.

If it's one of those "Oh no I turned into a girl so I must suck ALL THE COCKS" then it's fitting for him to become a voluptuous girl.

If it's a non-h centered around life as a girl, then I prefer loli. There's not only the aspect of adapting to being another gender, but seeing confused lolis is always cute, and you get to watch them face the possibility of growing up as a girl like I never could ;_;
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>>135831904
The source was given right there you dumb cunt.
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>>135831904
Use genderbend tag on panda. First page.
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>>135831212
You'd do it too fampai
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>>135832272
>fampai
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>>135832272
>>135832284
Fap sempai?
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>>135832224
oh fuck im retarded
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>>135832272
Fampai is also mahjong terminology and you seem to have confused a passing mahjong lesbian.
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>>135829082
Personally I don't like loli genderbending as much because in a more serious story the character is likely to end up surrounded by children (like in Ichinensei ni Nacchattara), who can't be very interesting as characters. Also I don't really care for their physique.

PS: One reason is it makes it easier for me to find previous posts.
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>>135829082
Just wonder, is there a problem for a tripfag to occasionally promote his one and only unpopular taste?
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>>135833089
Well, I did say loli bending is more fun. It's much harder to do it seriously, but it does add another layer of identity crisis. But, as you said, it has the problem of mostly revolving around children, which, unless its incredibly lighthearted sol or a comedy, its pretty boring

That's not a reason to trip you fucking faggot. But I'll let it past because you aren't annoying and only trip when its related to this

>>135833128
Tripfagging without a decent reason or contributing is just plain attention whoring. I don't actually have anything against him and personally actually like him a little, I just don't think he should be tripping. He is still leagues above the other tripfags and he has good taste as well
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>>135833362
I don't really mind him tripfagging because he's been very helpful to me in the past whenever I've had questions about gender bender manga or VNs.

So in a way, it's kinda nice to know he's around so I can ask questions, so I don't mind the trip at all.
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>>135833546
Really beautiful story but please put your trip back on.
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>>135833576
What the fuck are you on about?
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>>135833613
He thinks you are me taking off my tripcode in order to samefag. I'm just ignoring him now though since responding to him simply derails the thread.
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>>135833546
Well I did say I liked him a little. He's not a faggot, he has good taste, he doesn't shitpost and he's reasonable. The fact he spoonfeeds even some really stupid people bothers me a little, I'm not going to pick on him because I've actually added some of those suggestions to my backlog and he promotes good taste. He's just someone spreading his love for a genre, which I'm ok with. He's pretty much comparable to Daiz. He's a giant piece of shit who should kill himself for tripping his posts, but when it's about encoding, I actually like the trip because he knows what he's doing and promotes actual good encoding and actively encourages improvement for it.
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>>135833655
You need to improve your mind reading skills, dude.
I was just making a joke. I was under the impression that similar jokes are used here quite frequently but it seems I'm wrong since you, as a tripfag, don't recognize them.
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>>135806466
did the TL stop?
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>>135804446
I prefer them to stay boyish and confused about the whole situation.

Deviants and whores are trash, and men that immediately decide to become deviant whores when given the opportunity are worse than trash. They're straight garbage.
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>>135804446
Either is fine, but I somewhat prefer voluptuous because I like breasts. Seeing guy get turned into loli and the grow from there through further magic or just mundane time passage is great too.
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>>135834523
Possibly. There haven't been any new scanlations added here in a while:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ke4fg7r3xwgpp/Osananajimi_wa_Onnanoko_ni_Naare
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>>135820163
Surely such a thing must come with a cost. Would you really want to be like tailred and be sexualized by thousands of freaks that project their fetish on you? May as well be rhetorical. I know you guys would in heartbeat
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>>135837599
dibs on being the Gender bendan guildy
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>>135837649
This one?

>>135836803
I take it this is your favorite one from the series?
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>>135837890
I wish the volumes were fully translated.
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>>135804446
The second one so I can be the Onee-chan.
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>>135837599
>Would you really want to be like tailred and be sexualized by thousands of freaks that project their fetish on you?
All other things aside, somebody being blatantly and unwillingly viewed as nothing but a sex object is super hot.
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>>135837890
I suppose that if I had to choose a favorite I'd go with Yuno. Though to be honest I didn't like Ore Twintail. It was a harem/tokusatsu parody that gradually turned into a harem/tokusatsu. Neither are genres I like. Also the MC was a standard ultra-dense harem MC that every girl wants to fuck without him realizing it. The only thing setting him apart is a twintail fixation (a hairstyle I don't actually like). And as far as genderbending goes, there is little of it outside of combat and the way everyone worships the MC's female form is pretty over the top.
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By the way, someone had posted a list of at least partially translated reincarnation stories that people might be interested in: >>135792763

I searched for and found links to the translations:
https://darkfishoftherevolution.wordpress.com/
https://pirateyoshi.wordpress.com/gcr-toc/
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/a-wild-last-boss-appeared/
http://krytykal.org/alice-tale/
https://9ethtranslations.wordpress.com/harassing-thief-girl/
https://pirateyoshi.wordpress.com/dragon-bloodline/
https://thatguywhosthere.wordpress.com/le-festin-de-vampire/
http://www.novelupdates.com/series/isekai-ni-demodori-shimashita/
https://madospicy.wordpress.com/
http://azureskytls.blogspot.com/p/shinde-hajimaru.html
https://addnewtab.wordpress.com/sword-saints-disciple/
https://oniichanyamete.wordpress.com/index/tileas-worries/
https://henoujikun.wordpress.com/what-came-to-mind-during-my-third-time-in-another-world-was-to-for-now-get-naked-chapters/
http://skythewood.blogspot.com/p/youjo-senki.html
http://krytykal.org/only-sense/
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>>135821539
Sauce?
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>>135830480
Cross dressing is shit. I hate that it gets labeled as gender bending.
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>>135839322
I'll definitely save this list. Thanks a lot!

Good thing I already have Krytyk's site bookmarked thanks to AntiMagic.
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>>135839322
Are webnovels really easy to translate or something?
I keep seeing more and more each day.
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>>135839744
I don't hate it but I do wish they had separate tags. Just makes things more confusing than it has to be.
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>>135839859
I guess they have the advantage that they are easily available online in text format, so it's easy to stick difficult kanji in a translation program.
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>>135817259
Depends on the nature and aftermath of the split.

Funny that you mention that, I'm working on a story with a similar premise (a combination of clones, shared consciousness, and selfcest).
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>>135817259
No, I'd kill myself so that the only me will be girl me.
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>>135840280
I hope you let your loli-you kill you.
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>>135840325
Of course. If she does my consciousness might merge back with my other half in the loli me body.

Even if it doesn't, I'd rather die than be the one left in the guy body.
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>>135817259
>first day is rough sexual exploration
>almost everyday after that is like having some insufferable imouto who's as fucked up as you
I don't know man.
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>>135839859
>>135839961
Depends on the author but webnovels attract machine translators who generally don't know the grammar or colloquialisms enough to be doing so at all. Don't count on them getting the prose right or being anything more than maybe 90% accurate at best. Kanji's only one part of the challenge and that's easily overcome with the right dictionary program.

Incidentally, you might want to add Lady!? Steady, GO!!! to that long gender bender lookout list of yours if you haven't. Only skimmed through a bit so far but it is a gender bender series.
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>>135840280
To take a page from Descartes' book, how do you know that the loli telling you that she is you isn't an evil demon trying to trick you into killing yourself?
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>>135840669
Loli me, loli demon, doesn't matter as long as I die for a loli.
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not enough stuff where a girl turns into a guy
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>>135817259
There's only two ways this could go. Lots of hard femdom with no actual sex, or just awkward avoiding the idea until loli-me becomes becomes a slut.
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>>135840638
Thanks for the title.

>>135840830
There are some such titles. Mahou Shoujo Ore for example.
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>>135840402
You has problems.

Why I have to share my fetish with people who hate their sex? I am literally fapping to their dreams, and they always make unfunny or dramatic stories that aren'tem suitable to fap.
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>>135817259

I'm going to get teased. Maybe sumata if I'm lucky. But if lolime is the real deal then I'm sure as fuck won't be getting any aside from hardcore blueballing.
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>>135841248
I don't hate my sex but if half of me gets to be a little girl then I sure as hell will hate being the one left behind.
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>>135841394
You could snuggle and cheer upon your other self.
Be the big onii-chan to your clone-loli imouto, doing cute things together.
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>>135841959
I already have an imouto. I want to wear cute clothes too goddamnit.
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>>135817259

What? And have an extra mouth to feed who's going to laze around in my shit apartment all day as well?
Holy shit. Please fucking no. I've had enough trouble with my actual lazyass little sister, I don't need another one who has my horrible personality.
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>>135827754
That went in a direction I wasn't expecting.
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>>135830572
kek I made one as well
gonna be useful
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>>135821539
Haven't had any luck finding this one.
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>>135843300
http://exhentai.org/g/857830/37f10cd4ac/
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good, goods
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>>135844521
I love you
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>>135839884
I am a bit harsh on it because I'm tired if wading through it when I'm not looking for it (but if I am looking for it, it's plentiful). Separating the tags would solve all my issues.
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Live
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>>135845801
Post the original.
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>>135849348
no
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>>135839322
Reading a few of these, I've suddenly realized how shitty light novels are. Like, even removing the cliches, the prose and dialogue sound so wooden that it's hard to even take it seriously.

Not to mention all of them have the hero reincarnate into a generic fantasy world a la Dragon Quest or some shit. What about reincarnating into a western world? Or a sci-fi dystopia?

It almost makes me want to write a light novel of my own, because I can write even a reincarnation story better than these guys.
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>>135849463
>light novels
Those are web novels. Sometimes they get cleaned up by an editor and published as (still comparatively poor) light novels. Think Fifty Shades of Gray.
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>>135849463
>Or a sci-fi dystopia?
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>>135849530
Valid point. From the few light novels I've actually read (Log Horizon, et al) the writing style is a mite bit better. Still, we got SAO and Asterisk as legitimate light novels, so yeah.

Also, I guess The Martian is also in the same boat. At least the movie was good.
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>>135849588
Yes please.
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Either is fine I just want to see how the character reacts and behaves. I mostly just don't like the super short one shots or the super long comedy series where a character becomes a genderbent for a day.
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>>135844605
>insane lesbian getting Takeru'd
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>>135807743
I really enjoyed that one too. Shame how short it was.
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>>135804446
Loli.
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>>135849656
There is also the fact that these are translated by amateurs, many of which has a very shaky grasp of both English and Japanese. I'm not saying that the originals are literary masterpieces, but I don't think that the translations do them justice in any case. In comparison, manga have the advantage of having less text and relying more on images rather than text, so it's easier to overlook a poor translation.

>>135850285
Yeah, I do wish that Remix Heart had lasted longer. Still, 4 volumes isn't that short and to be honest I think that a manga being shorter does have the advantage that certain aspects of the story can progress faster. For example I liked the fact that Mai went from starting to fall in love to recognizing and accepting her feelings in less than 6 chapters. Boku Girl for example has been stuck in the denial phase for over 90 chapters and is still going strong.
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>>135851819
I kinda want a manga where the main character accepts their change rather quickly and is actively trying to adapt, but finds that it isn't as easy as it might seem.

It'd be nice if they had a hard time fitting and didn't just go "BUT I'M A GUY" every single fucking time.
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>>135851902
You mean characters that want to change sex and live like girls? In A World Without Boundaries the MC's cousin is happy to be a girl. And I guess that the MC of Kashimashi sort of goes with the flow, though she had been pretty feminine to begin with so you can hardly tell that she had switched sex. The MC of Mao Marimo also seems to go along with it.

As for trying to adapt but not always succeeding, Mai does initially wish to become a boy again but she does consciously try to pass for a normal girl as she is concealing her identity from everyone around her. As a result she tries to imitate both the speech and behavior of girls. Her circumstances actually resemble those of traps trying to pass for girls as in Otoboku for example.
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>>135852698
Not so much want to, but kinda accept it rather quickly and don't keep staying in their "I'M A BOY" denial bubble.
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>no one posting Yuri Na Watashi To Akuma Na Kanojo manga
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>>135804446
What are some good series with female to male genderbends?
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>>135853012
good
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>>135853138
bad
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>>135853012
>Yuri Na Watashi To Akuma Na Kanojo
>Yuri
Pass
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>>135853854
Touchdown!
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>>135853854
It is basically a guy who crossdressesyes he has a dick and has to kiss a girl everyday or he will turn into a female.
Said girl is into yuri.
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>>135853951
Why doesn't he just become a girl?
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>>135852882
Most permanent transformations are against the protagonist's will. As a result the characters try to cling to their previous identity and are resistant to the idea that they should self-identify as girls. By the way, this is taken to a ridiculous extreme in Kakumen no Hi, where the MC's parents literally guilt-trip him into agreeing to have a sex-change operation so that he can still pull the "I'm really a guy" afterward.

The only series I can think of where a character chooses and wants to be a girl are A World Without Boundaries and Strange Mansion.
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>>135804446
Loli.

I dream often that I am a little girl. I bet I was one on my last life /blog
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>>135853999
Why don't you?
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>>135853999
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>>135854175
huh?
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>>135854150
Because I'm not cursed to turn into one if I fail to meet a semi-arbitrary objective
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>>135854244
Sucks to be you.
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>>135853951
Reminds me of the plot of Chu Shite Agechau, whose MC has a medical condition that will turn him into a girl if he doesn't have enough sex with women. You can choose not to have sex with them in order to trigger the transformation.
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>>135805123
Pretty much
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>>135854526
Put a shirt on.
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>>135854603
Not her fault. She was in her room, taking her clothes off in order to masturbate when people walked in on her.
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I can't be the only one here who wants to be a girl in virtual reality.
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>>135854711
I don't think I could do it, I can't change my voice like how trannies learn to speak in a girl's voice
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>>135854798
Voice changers will probably get better in the future and then you'd only have to change the way you talk a bit.
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>>135854851
They already are.
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>>135854711
Of course you're not. Where the hell do you think you are?
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>>135854533
Check, you would slut out?
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>>135854851
Depends on the language. English is fairly gender-neutral for example so it would be pretty easy to pretend that you're a woman, but other languages are highly gendered.
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>>135855050
I can't wait for when /a/nons can sit and eat cakes together as little girls.
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>>135808811
That one is great.
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>>135855070
I won't.
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Would you still do it if you became a unattractive girl /a/?
We're talking normal level since obviously anything uglier would be out of the question.
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>>135855070
Probably.
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>>135855317
Then you would bang one guy?
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>>135827754
half aroused, half upset
>if you become the little girl you can't resist
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>>135855494
>wanting to resist
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>>135855601
well ideally i'd work out a deal with the captors that i'd be their sex slave in return for going easy on my little girl body
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>>135827754
Neat
Disgusting
but also neat
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>>135854526
I've wanted to play more GB visual novels, but I haven't been able to find a good site to download then at.

I've got some, but the lesser known or not as popular ones seem impossible to find.
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>>135804446
I would just think the MC turned into a little boy again.
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>>135856420
So few are translated anyway.
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>>135856420
Have you tried searching sukebei.nyaa.se? Some have active torrents there.
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>>135856447
Machine translation isn't perfect. but it works.
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>>135855494
Why would you want to?
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>>135857982
Maybe to get the other party more excited?
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>>135854526
Any good reccomendations on the VN front even if it involves chiitrans?

It seems only nukige are translated
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>>135858031
It's literally the only reason, but it is pretty damn compelling.
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>>135817259
I'd just buy lolime some sweets and treat her like my daughter.
I'd also read her stories to sleep and hug her when she is scared.
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>>135858316
Is that what you'd like if you were a loli? To be stuck with normal you as your daughter?
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>>135858653
I think I'd make a pretty cool dad. The only problem is that I won't impregnate anyone and I doubt I could adopt someone (guy living alone).
But I'd love to be a parent, I think everyone would, really, specially since it's a loli version of you, so you don't actually have to raise a baby.
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>>135858052
I really liked this:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfY5u84AYS10N7I_cU2CJp-_UHdO4LysJ

In addition, Ai Mai Mist was surprisingly decent. Yumekoi Tensei was pretty good. Sekai wo Seifuku Suru Tame no 3tsu no Houhou was fairly good too.
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>>135856447
True, but like >>135856899 said, machine translated can get the job done. Having it entirely in Japanese doesn't bother me, it's actually finding them that's been tough.
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I really like manga that go a more "realistic" route.
Just finished reading this, I don't know how to feel about it in the end. The ending and last arc was kinda satisfying I guess but also kinda sad somehow.

Does the anime live up to the manga?
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>>135831212
Don't forget his lesbian friend.
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>>135853122
Fantastic.
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>>135856583
I have, but it has been awhile. I might give it another look through tonight to see if I can find anything. Thanks.
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>>135822288
Not the same guy, but i got curious. How?
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>>135853122
Mahou Shoujo Ore, CUTExGUY, Oyajina and Tomodachi Kara Yoroshiku Desu have a female MC that turns into a male. Danshi-ing Girl and Dou Danjo have bodyswapping from the girl's perspective.
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>>135861463
>Takako Shimura anime adaptation
Prepare to be disappointed.
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>>135808837
>Riko can be turned hetero.
She's not even real in an unreal universe anon.

I wonder if they'd ever make a To Love Ru game where you play as another man? Probably not, it'd just be a game of cucking.
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>>135863505
She's real enough considering that she appears multiple times in the series and also has a profile in the various data books.
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This was a neat TG cuz his best friend turned into a chick instead of it being the MC iirc
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>>135849588
>gender bendan with mechs
Instant 10/10
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>>135864325
Has that ever happened? I want it.
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>>135864487
It was the sub plot for a side character in Vandred it also kinda happened in Aquarion Evol
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I didn't like them at all.
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>>135864173
CAN'T YOU SEE THIS IS ALL A DREAM!? NONE OF THIS IS REAL! NONE OF IT! YOU'VE BEEN IN A COMA FOR 6 MONTHS ANON! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! Please... just wake up.
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>>135865498
CAN'T WAKE UP
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>>135864325
I don't think that what's in Muv Luv (or Steins;Gate) counts as genderbending. In both cases you have two parallel universes where one of the side-characters' sex is different. Both versions of the character have always been of that sex. There is no change from the perspective of those characters.
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>Read all of Gender bender thread
>decide to read some and jerk off
>cant find half of the great manga and VNs with Google
>To dumb to understand sad panda
>Now have blue balls
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I am so tired of this.
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>>135865889
I think it is about to end.
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>>135865777
well, your fault for being too retarded to use a search engine.
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>>135866020
nice manners
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So. Bad.
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And now any second now...
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>>135866704
Well it is slower at night.
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>>135866911
Check back in half an hour.
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This post does not contain sage
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>>135837599
I wouldn't. But I would like to be cute like Tailred.
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>>135867422
Why not?
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>>135867575
Some people are bad like that.
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>>135867575
Kidding, I did sage
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>>135867761
Thank you.
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>>135861463
Here is where we should have quit.
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>>135867927
No one ever quits when they should.
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>>135865777
Might as well paste these I guess:

Asuka Hybrid:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/kelas8ny9db99kx/Asuka+Hybrid+ch01-10.rar
Blazblue Remix Heart:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2lxw7h8bathoqrw/BlazBlue+Remix+Heart+v1.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/optcahwyt039ihu/BlazBlue+Remix+Heart+v2.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/4twddihncoqtujj/BlazBlue+Remix+Heart+v3.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/xeyykea2ypv5n0z/BlazBlue_Remix_Heart_v4.rar
Fukigen Cinderella:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u797qccc85s3xiq/Fukigen+Cinderella+v1.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/13jddv1k4q6513r/Fukigen+Cinderella+v2.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ogfctrlp4cxx7g7/Fukigen+Cinderella+v3.rar
Futaba-kun Change:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/a36a4qff6ffy4zf/Futaba-kun+Change+v01-04.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/4fp10l7ocq6s6df/Futaba-kun+Change+v05-08.rar
Idol Pretender:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/du9nwvhpnqhg9ad/Idol+Pretender+ch01-08%5BVexed%5D.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/xzt3uiufr7q70hv/Idol+Pretender+ch09-15%5BVexed%5D.rar
Kampfer:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/0bxrn73cu2w0qjm/Kampfer+Vol1-2.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/r441xqkhojwq32g/Kampfer+Vol3-4.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/y5v7l6rs2t7mvm6/Kampfer+Vol5-6.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wmlvs436es5271n/Kampfer+Vol7+c33-37.rar
Mao Marimo:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2w2irwrcgu1cc78/Mao+Marimo+ch01-07.rar
Nozomu Nozomi:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/2448aav2ma843yi/Nozomu+Nozomi.rar
Sai Taker - Futari no Artemis:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/92d6u9v2ha49555/Sai+Taker_Ch_00_06.rar
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>>135868025
Mein neger
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>>135868147
oh wow
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>>135868147
Are these all doujins?
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>>135868306
Click and see
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>>135868195
So different without the mustache.
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>>135868487
Shota Hitler a cute.
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>>135868579
nah
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He is genderbender?
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I sense trouble.
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>>135868720
No. Mari is simply insane and only thinks she's a guy in a girl's body.
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>>135868720
no
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>>135868796
Other way around.
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>>135868796
>>135868904
Which is it? I really want to read this manga, but if it's just about a delusional man, I'm not going to bother reading it.
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>mfw this thread has been up for an entire two days

Never change /a/
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>>135869036
It depends on the time of day.
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>>135869077
It should change. For the better.
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>>135869036
It stars an insane girl that thinks she's a man trapped in a girl's body. I don't consider it worth reading anyway to be honest. But I didn't like Aku no Hana either and there are people that swear by it.
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>>135869036
No, it's just about a delusional Woman.
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>>135869156
They all are.
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>>135869194
Yes, yes. Now head on back to /r9k/.
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>>135869077
Wrong thread anon.
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>>135869245
Everything I post there has already been said.
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uh oh
Here comes a group of faceless old men.
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>>135869245
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>>135869426
Not enough white.
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>>135869426
That's a pretty rude image. Not all "white knights" do it for sex you dumbshit.
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>>135868147
Thank you based Anon
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>>135869459
>>135869502
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>>135869502
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>>135869508
No base.
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>>135869502
they do it for free?
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Are you simply incapable of ignoring shitposters or are you just looking for an excuse to drive the thread into the ground?
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>>135869546
Thanks.
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>>135869608
I pity them and decide to give them (you)'s
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>>135869502
If they don't then the knight doesn't add a line. Think before you post.
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>>135869598
The sluts do.
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>>135869632
You are nice.
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>>135869775
Unlike everyone else here.
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>>135868147
>Sai Taker - Futari no Artemis
Is it really only 6 chapters long? I thought there would be more.
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>>135869915
yep
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>>135869915
None of the remaining chapters have been translated into English.
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>>135869915
You didn't buy so there isn't.
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you'd think with how great gender bender is there'd' be more good manga
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>>135870079
When will you do it?
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>>135814515
It hasn't been updated in a while?Anyone know if it's on on hiatus or something?
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>>135870140
it is kill
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>>135804446
Both. Both is good.
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>>135870234
One is better.
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>>135827754
>this gay fucker pulling this shit on me
Oh man this is great
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>>135870268
And we know which that is.
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>>135870325
loli
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>>135870366
NO!
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>>135804446
Wait a sec. Is that an x-rated shot?
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>>135870366
correct

>>135870585
YES!
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>>135868147
Got these. Need more.
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>>135870859
maybe?
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>>135870305

I enjoyed translating that line, too. :^)

She's constantly speaking in an aggressive tone, even after she's concluded that she's better off not pissing them off. Love that lack of self awareness.

Also never stops using 'ore' to refer to him/herself, even at the very end. Gap moe in full effect here.

Doesn't even think ahead, either. Even if he changed back, what in the world gives him the impression he could beat them up two-on-one? Guy's totally full of himself, or delusional. Or both.

Would love to see a version of this scenario where the guy isn't a complete idiot. The contrast would be immense.
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>>135870929
Any more?
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>>135804626
This. Especially the spoiler.
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>>135871070
I am not going to read spoilers.
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>>135871115
It was a bad troll anyway.
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>>135870831
Rey is perfect for anime.
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>>135871278
Anime Clone Wars and Rebels when?
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>tfw 1/2 Prince will never get another new chapter again
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>>135870831

These tumblr style pictures have become disturbingly common on /a/.
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>>135871309
>Rebel scum
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>>135871017

Might do Himeno Mikan's genderswap story later. First two chapters of this tank (the first of which sensualaoi did a joke half-translation half-rewrite of):
http://exhentai.org/g/854115/8927406215/

Neverland Alter is apparently a guy in a girl avatar for some VR game world being punished for attempted hacking:
http://exhentai.org/g/888635/dd98dfc4cc/

Btw, in case anyone here missed it, TS Panic is a more lighthearted take and serves as adequate mind bleach if you didn't like the suffering in Tsuitenai Shoujo (but is still pretty rape-y, par for the course here I guess):
http://exhentai.org/g/770283/625d5a3006/

But yeah, like I said, pretty much starved for loli genderswap stuff. Most of the rest is just either Tail Red or body swaps or swaps of established characters, which generally means ignoring most of the exploration of what the swap actually entails.

I generally prefer stuff that actually explores the societal reaction and reintegration part. The 'WTF?' reaction from everyone involved is a big part of the appeal for me.
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Having big boobs would be too uncomfortable after a lifetime of flatness.
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>>135873240
but that contrast is what make's it great
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Are there any good GB anime other than TSF?
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>>135805582
>tfw nuclear
>tfw wild
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>>135873854
ore, twintail ni narimasu is a recent one
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>>135873854
Define "good"
kampfer
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>>135839322
Fuck, I wish they'd pull their heads out of their asses and just translate Youjo already.
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I liked the direction this Yamada and t he seven witches Manga went, it's a bit too tame though.
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>will never be a girl for a day and experience that lesbian 69

they look so comfy
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>>135876463
Yamada started good, but became somewhat of a mess later.
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>>135864299
>cocoon
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>>135876648
yeah I felt pretty betrayed when they more or less abandoned any of the gender bender stuff with it rarely being a plot point
and even moreso when it should have finished after the first set of witches had been all discovered so they made a second set to replace. Should have ended then and there.
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pet peeves with manga tagging
>gender bender when it's crossdressing
>gender bender when it's one chapter only
>gender bender when it's one chapter and a very side character
please, It doesn't make it any easier to find the real shit when people pull this shit
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>>135877497
Agreed. I think the problem with Yamada was that it got too popular for its own good. The series was obviously meant to end when they performed the magical ceremony to eliminate the witches, but it sold well enough that the author pulled a new storyline out of her ass to keep it going. Same problem as with Fist of the North Star for example which in its second storyline had the protagonist fighting the against the twin brother of the villain of the original story who was even more evil and powerful that the original and in control of an empire of superpowerful evil martial artists. I dropped Yamada after there were suddenly even more witches.
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>>135877577
This for fucks sake
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>>135877605
yeah I had to drop it too then
it just stretched on far too much. If he wanted to continue it, it should have been a few more generations of students later
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>>135877577
>genderbender tag

>character just gets turned right at the end to 'teach him a lesson' and it's just his face as a female looking shocked
>THE END
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>>135807528
>>135808811
The best answer.
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>>135804446
>2 days ago
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>>135879554
/a/ is really slow nowadays
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Is it gender bender if the character is able to live through both his own body and the body of his ideal waifu?
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>You will never be molested by by your best friend, Gay Kamina
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>>135879657
It's not gay if he's cute and wearing a skirt
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>>135868147
Do you happen to have the link to >>135806466

What I find is all online reading websites.
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>>135879737
check the group's website it's not gay if he's cute scans or something
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>>135879737
Here: >>135836803
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>>135871878
If I might do a suggestion, there are still a few Ruuen Rouga stories that haven't been touched yet.

The one with the Knight will probably get picked up by whoever translated the first one but that still leaves
Maru Sankaku Shikaku and Trance-Trance (which, IIRC; hasn't had all chapters translated, whoever did the first one seems to have dropped it)
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>>135807852
MOTHERFUCKIGN SAUCE
GOOGLE ISNT HELPING ME
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>>135879849
>>135879875
I am an idiot.

Thanks.
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>Guy gets mindbroken in virtual reality through impregnation rape
>Wants to become a girl so he can get pregnant
>The story is about him investigating together with his rapists how to turn into a girl
>Artwork is like this

The perfect combination of fetishes for me, plus a plot. Now, if only Ruuen Rouga would draw faster...
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>>135879965
I don't understand that development
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>>135878075
I've kept up with it. Not sure why at times. The story gets even worse towards the middle of the second arc. Not to mention, it seemed like there were some plot points hinted at, but never brought up or elaborated on.

The third arc is starting now. So far, I'm more interested in it than the second one, but there's only been a few chapters.
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>>135864299
This one is too good.
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>>135853951
>>135853999
He's almost certainly just a fag pretending
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>>135879587
You say that like it's a bad thing homeslice
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>>135876524
as a unexperienced girl I'd rather be dominated by a veteran lesbian
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>>135879965
Oujo a best.
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>>135883183
>Not getting off to the idea of turning other girls into lesbians
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>>135883391
>Not getting off to the idea of onee-sama turning you into a lesbian
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>>135883391
>>135883559
>not doing both
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>>135883391
>>135883559
>>135883622
>Not getting off to the idea of an onee-sama accidentally turning you into a lesbian but she's not a lesbian herself, and then you turn her into a lesbian
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>>135851819
Perhaps you're right. Maybe I'll read through it again. I enjoyed every bit of it but I couldn't help but wanting more at the end.
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>>135884682
I agree it would have been nice if there was more of the manga. Have you watched the following by the way? They are two side-stories that take place between chapters 4 and 5 of the Remix Heart manga:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfY5u84AYS10N7I_cU2CJp-_UHdO4LysJ
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>>135884879
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfY5u84AYS10N7I_cU2CJp-_UHdO4LysJ
No I hadn't! Thanks. I honestly do a pretty terrible job of keeping up with things like this.
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>>135885091
It's pretty similar in tone to the early parts of the manga, which makes sense since it's by the same people, before Mai got used to being a girl. I think they're worth watching if you enjoyed the manga. One also gets to hear Mai's voice (as provided by Hayami Saori).
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We all know the truth.
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>>135885182
>One also gets to hear Mai's voice (as provided by Hayami Saori).
The English voice wasn't too bad either.
I believe I said this last thread but the English one sounds more tomboyish while the Japanese feels neutral "girl-ish". You can kinda get a feeling of the voice actor trying to play up the whole "trying to sound like a normal girl" a thing but there being something slightly off in the intonation (trying a bit too hard).

I don't remember right now though if the inner monologue was dubbed in English.

>>135880330
>I don't understand that development
What part of it?

>>135883288
>Oujo a best.
Agreed

>>135880238
>Now, if only Ruuen Rouga would draw faster...
I think Farfalla doesn't really have much more room for character development at this point.
I like the new story with the Knight's captain, he just released the second chapter and it just looks amazing in the way it sets up the third chapter.

Now if people would just translate the other stories that remain untranslated to this date (to some degree even the non-genderbender ones even though I prefer his genderbender stuff)
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>>135883288
Prove it.
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>>135885446
Voluptous midget?

>>135885668
Forgot my picture.
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>>135885717
More of her!
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>>135885768
I'll only post until it gets lewd.

You can find it at your usual eromanga provider.
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>>135885828
You can spoiler after that.
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>>135885828
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>>135885711
I just love the archetype, ringlets, the laugh all of it
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>>135885852
Not interested in a ban, bro.
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>>135885828
>I'll only post until it gets lewd.
She starts lewd.
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>>135885942
And after a lengthy training session...
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>>135822042
Can I get a sauce on this one? It's the only one I can't get with reverse image search.
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>>135885958
>She starts lewd.
I like bellies but I don't consider them lewd by themselves.

Fun fact: according to the author the story takes place in the same universe as his other fantasy stories.
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>>135884879
Tsubaki is cute!
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>>135885999
google taniguchi's works and sort by latest it's a sorta new one
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>>135886044
Who is the maid?
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>>135886044

>soul chain
that takes me back
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>>135886131
From a Drop of Alchemy, one of his oldest works (and one of the first to be translated into English). I think it's from the early 00s?

tldr: (male) Apprentice to a mage is forced to exhange his body with that of a female golem and work as a servant/maid before he is allowed to actually learn significant amounts of magic.

Shaenanigans (seuxal or not) ensue.
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>>135885668
Yeah, and as we had said, in this web radio episode about Mai, Sugita said that Mai's voice sounded similar to that of a boy, though Hayami Saori said that she tried to make Mai sound more like a girl than a boy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTUHCYzYtmQ

Mai's inner monologues weren't voiced either in Japanese or English.
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Ame Nochi Hare scans never.
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>>135886178
>that takes me back
IIRC someone reuploaded it recently with better quality (though it may have been just a regular reuploard).

One of the earliest works that got me into the fetish (outside of stuff like Ranma and its doujins).
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>>135886226
But is there a name to google search?
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>>135806252
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>>135886256
Why don't you do them?
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>>135886255
Yeah, it's really in that limit/boundary.

Admittedly I am not fluent at moon so I am not sure if this is my own misperception or if Sugita had a bit of a bias going on as he knew the secret behind Mai.

Also, I still giggle like an idiot at the section where they get up in arms about "Mai is NOT a trap"
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>>135886408
Because I don't know Japanese.
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>>135886330
>But is there a name to google search?
Feel free to reread my post, this time applying reading comprehension, I am not going to repeat myself
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>>135886388
Almost looks like Naruko
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>>135886441
It is rather annoying when people confuse the two. It makes finding stuff more difficult and on /a/ you can have trap fans come into genderbending threads and derail them.
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>>135886388
Pretty hot desu
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>>135886556
Blame mangaupdates and similar sites, they use genderbending as a "mother tag" - meaning that all things related to crossdressing, futa, transgender (magical/sci-fi) or transsexuals (realistic with transitioning) gets all thrown together.

This isn't completely unreasonable/illogical to do but pretty much the rest of the internet (pixiv, sadpanda, 4chan, most actual scanlators who do the damn work of the translations) do actually distinguish between those categories leaving those mangareading sites in the minority of how they categorize that stuff.
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>>135886849
Who stole her nose?
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>>135886556
Am I reading this right?

>Trap
>A guy so cute you'd assume he's a girl.

>(Male-to-Female) Genderbender
>Someone who while still feeling that she's a guy at heart has been transformed into a female body
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>>135886556
You have such a tough life. Don't give up!
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>>135886441
>>135886556
Oh Arcsys
Bridget when?
but seriously though Zappa when?
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>>135806466
When they first wear the girls school uniform, that's always the best.
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>>135886936
Traps also often involve crossdressing, but yes. Genderbender also often include bodyswaps and possession.
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>>135804446

I'm a beliver in the conservation of mass, so it depends on how much of a skinny manlet the subject is.
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>>135886920
Who stole the soul?
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>>135887021
Bridget
Oh god, yes, please. Especially now that the game is on PC.

>>135887097
>Traps also often involve crossdressing, but yes
I meant the moonrunes in the picture. That's (apparently) the Japanese definition and I think it fits, you have characters like Hideyoshi who fit the description even while dressed as guy/not crossdressing.

>>135887097
>Genderbender also often include bodyswaps and possession.
Most Japanese sites disagree on that and a lot of sites like sadpanda have started making a distinction in that regard - which you may or not disagree with though I don't find it completely unreasonable I think it should feature both unless they start also distinguishing between Rule63 doujins and actual genderbender doujins (though sometimes both apply, Kyonko certainly has both varieties)

>>135887188
>I'm a beliver in the conservation of mass, so it depends on how much of a skinny manlet the subject is.
So tiny penis = flatchested?
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>>135887362
>Especially now that the game is on PC
How much?
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>>135887021
Mai when?
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>>135887565
Last Thursday
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>>135887021
Bridget actually got second place when ArcSys ran a poll on who the next playable character should be, so he is still very popular. And in a popularity poll for male characters he had actually gotten 2nd place after Sol. It seems likely that they'll add him again. Zappa got 10th place so don't hold your breath.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/oct/16/dizzy-set-join-fray-guilty-gear-xrd-revelator-after-placing-1st-fan-poll/

>>135887362
Yeah, that's pretty much it. The problem is that the terms used in Japan and in the English fandom have slightly different meanings. "Otokonoko" simply means boy that looks like a girl. It doesn't carry the baggage that "trap" has about having to deceive the viewer into thinking that the character is a girl. Hideyoshi has no problem fitting the definition of otokonoko even if he dresses like a boy.
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>>135887362
>Most Japanese sites disagree on that and a lot of sites like sadpanda have started making a distinction in that regard - which you may or not disagree with though I don't find it completely unreasonable I think it should feature both unless they start also distinguishing between Rule63 doujins and actual genderbender doujins (though sometimes both apply, Kyonko certainly has both varieties)

Yeah it's a pain to search doujin sites since I really don't like mind swaps/possessions.

>>135887756
>Yeah, that's pretty much it. The problem is that the terms used in Japan and in the English fandom have slightly different meanings. "Otokonoko" simply means boy that looks like a girl. It doesn't carry the baggage that "trap" has about having to deceive the viewer into thinking that the character is a girl. Hideyoshi has no problem fitting the definition of otokonoko even if he dresses like a boy.

Trap is just a really dumb term.
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>>135887862
What would you call them? Besides freaks I mean.
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>>135888094
Cute!
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>>135887756
>>135887862
>has about having to deceive the viewer into thinking that the character is a girl.
Actually, at least from what I see on 4chan, that's not how it is used in the west either, rather that the veiwer is suffering from selfdeception (into their own trap so to speak) due to their expectations. The trap doesn't need to be trying to actively achieve it for it to be true, which matches the Japanese definition.
The only difference I see lost in translation is the pun aspect of the word.


>Trap is just a really dumb term.
I disagree, I think it is a very clever way of summing up into a word what would otherwise require severral other tags/lengthy discriptions.

Androgynous and Bishounen comes to mind though they aren't really perfect equivalents, people can look androgynous without being confused for the opposite gender even though most of the time traps tend to be androgynous people (only on the part of the spectrum where you'd assume the opposite gender to be)

The Japanese word for them "Male Daughter", though the pronounciation results in it sounding like "boy"/"guy" (wink wink nudge nudge), is just as "dumb" or "clever" depending on how you look at it.
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>>135888094
Since language is ever-evolving, one could actually take a loanword from foreign languages.
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>>135849463
>sci-fi dystopia
That would be needless.
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>>135888184
Such as?
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>>135888292
otokonoko
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>>135888184
English doesn't have loanwords. English takes them and owns them and the other language is never getting them back.
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>>135886849
To be fair, the term genderbending is used in literary analysis to refer to the subversion of gender norms rather than what we use it for (characters actually changing sex). So traps and crossdressers do fall under the traditional definition. However I think that having a specific word for the latter is much more convenient.

>>135888094
One could just say otokonoko. People in the anime fandom have no problems using other loanwords from Japanese. Though of course trap is established so I see no point trying to change the word used.

>>135888152
Sure, the trap has been extended to cover everything falling under otokonoko, but there are still people using it in the more restrictive "character the viewer thinks is a girl" sense. This does result in some ambiguity. Not that I think it's worth doing something about it, but that ambiguity is there.
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>>135852698
where I can download the visual novel?
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>>135888394
How about we call them ohnononos?
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>>135888496
It's actually a fighting game but whatever it's for PS3 and 4 get it wherever you get those
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>>135851819
Some of those translations are just plain "Keikaku means Plan" level. One of them kept Nisemono no Ken untranslated, which is just baffling. Fake sword not weeb enough?
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>>135888394
>>135888420
Otokonoko is problematic though given that there is a non-fetish use of the word originally. It's not like Tsundere or Zettai Ryouki that have no other readings in Japanese.

Given how 90% of western fandom already uses trap as pretty much the equivalent I find it silly to just try to change it now like some pages are trying to do forcing "tomgirl" for political correctness reasons coming out of nowhere.
Then again, I don't see how the trap has ever been problematic, given I have only seen it used here and on porn sites. Unless it's something like "femboy" being specific to porn in which case, congratulations, they have only moved the goalpost as soon people will associate tomgirl with porn aswell and start looking for a new politically correct way to describe what people have been calling a trap ever since Bridget started showing up in random threads (funny how these things always end up going back to Arcsys)
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>>135888574
Coming to the PC soon apparently (hopefully also in EU regions instead of us having to randomly wait 4 years for an outdated version for no good fucking reason in 2016).
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>>135888777
Didn't Xrd come out for EU on steam?
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>>135888394
>>135888420
Too similar to mononoke and nekokoneko
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>>135888648
Welcome to the world of manga translation where you'll find the scanlators often know less Japanese than your random hentai translator (because unlike shounen manga hentai artists don't bother including furigana to make it so you can read them just knowing hiragana that you can punch into google translate but you actually need to know kanji).
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>>135888821
All the fighting games ArcSys announced for Steam are coming out in EU too but there is no word on BlazBlue yet for some reason.
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>>135868147
At least half of those were shit
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>>135888496
>>135888574
>>135888865
The game is actually coming out on Steam in February, so it will be available on PC:
http://gematsu.com/2015/12/blazblue-chrono-phantasma-extend-melty-blood-aacc-under-night-in-birth-exe-late-coming-pc-steam
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http://exhentai.org/g/129815/9dfa9b8815/
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>>135888821
>Didn't Xrd come out for EU on steam?
Thankfully yes, but previous Blazblue (+ the persona game for PS3) got regionblocked for no adequately explained reason.

I am still pissed at Arcsys for that which is why I have refused to buy Xrd so far (given that it came out late on PC).
I might even skip Blazblue for the same reason, at this point I am pretty fucking burned with their bullshit and won't just accept scraps, I moved on long ago.

If they decide to up the ante I might be willing to give it a shot again but Arcsys is right now on the same list for me as Konami, Ubisoft and EA as far as "companies that treat PC like shit - do not buy" (in the case of Konami all of gaming).
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So, are any of these good for anything but jerking off?
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>>135888572
How about noohnos?
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>>135889043
That doesn't specify if it'll be out in EU.

>>135888865
>All the fighting games ArcSys announced for Steam are coming out in EU too but there is no word on BlazBlue yet for some reason.
I'll believe it when I see it. It's still a dick move regardless, those games run on windows PCs in the arcades to begin with and yet PC players are the last to get them (if we were talking about them not coming out of Japan even on consoles like happened with Melty for a long time, that would be a different discussion)
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>>135889166
>>135889321
That game was also released to the EU close to a year ago. Since both CT and CSE are sold in the EU, as is Xrd, one imagines that the same will apply to CPE.
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>>135889226
>So, are any of these good for anything but jerking off?
Most of the manga linked here have legitimately decent stories worth reading (either because they are funny, well-written or if you like fanservice depending on the genre).
If you like genderbenders that just happens to be a plus.
Also, Ame Nochi Hare isn't directly linked here but to me that one is the gold standard right now (though it is a slice of life manga so it doesn't have as many exciting things going on)

This also applies to the porn stories recommended to some extent. Ruuen Rouga is one of the most competent writers and artists when it comes to porn (regardless of him focusing on genderbending).

From there you can decide if you try out some other stories involving genderbenders which are quite honestly not really as good.
Sometimes people discuss them because they are trainwrecks and other times because they sadly got derailed while having a nice early start (the Kämpfer manga has nice art and early on the MC isn't as dense as his anime/light novel counterpart, though he eventually catches up).

Also, there are separate threads over at /d/ for the porn but the standards in storytelling are obviously lower, though sometimes they'll post/recommend stories which have shit story but great artstyle.
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I don't really care as long as I'm cute.
Both of them are great.
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>>135889405
CT came out 3 years late and CSE was delayed by a year compared to NA releases IIRC (not even counting the delay between console and PC).

Arcsys has frankly not just a terrible track record but a downright insulting one when it comes to how they treat EU customers regardless of PC or not, as discussed with the Persona fighting game they also implemented region locking being one of the few companies to do so on PS3 (where most games were regionfree) delaying the game almost a year.

Honestly, they are Konami-tier at this point in my view, they need to do a lot of fucking goodwill at this point for me to view them as anything that isn't scum.
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>>135879965
Best path

I wish the sequel was translated
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>>135889829
>>135889405
So I looked it up and it was half a year for CSE, which is still unacceptable IMHO given we are talking about digital releases.

It's not like they translate into languages that aren't English last I checked and if so just release that as a patch half a year later
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>>135888648
Yeah, I looked through one of those translatations that was really awful. Still, the links are there if people are interested. Their choice if they read them or not.
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>>135889940
There's a full sequel?

I know there were spinoffs but I had no idea there was a sequel.
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I want to become a girl and find my onee-sama.
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>>135804446
Can someone give me source on right?
http://exhentai.org/g/841317/f31fd19034/
http://exhentai.org/s/5853e57bb5/833282-1
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>>135807262
>Well-endowed girls can be pure and modest too you know.
Implying a lewd body can be modest.
Implying her hips wouldn't move on their own.
Implying you're waifu isn't a slut.
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>>135888740
Nobody uses otokonoko in the western fandom for something else though, so it could theoretically be adopted. Hentai has a completely different meaning in Japanese, but that hasn't really posed a problem. Not that I think it's worth trying to replace the word trap, since its usage is too well entrenched.

>>135889226
Depends on your tastes I suppose. Quite a few genderbender manga have little to no fanservice after all so they aren't meant for that.

>>135890448
Use google image search.

>>135890621
Having a voluptuous body doesn't mean that one shares is around. We aren't talking about character living in the World State from Huxley's Brave New World after all. Mai is a pure and chaste girl, who's only romantically interested in one man.
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>>135890830
>Use google image search.
I did with OP, but your pic did the trick thanks.
http://exhentai.org/g/774767/ce87dc1a30/
I've had a rough month with medical problems and had to skip sleeping today. I'm gonna go relax in a chair with some gender bender animu, thanks.
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>>135890830
>pure
I know the definition of that word is muddy enough but would you mind not using it?

It's not like Mai is an innocent Maiden either who is unaware of sexuality and sexual preferences (which is what I believe the context of the word "pure" originally implied").

And as for chaste, a girl can lewd as hell and be a chronic masturbater while never having had sex in her life. It's the default for pretty much any girl and most (non-hentai) genderbenders so Mai isn't a special snowflake in that regard.

It's more of a difference between hentai and non-hentai publications.

Ranma can be lewd/flirtatious at times but technically she falls under the same definition of "pure and chaste"
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>>135891106
While I know the show has some magical bullshit is that actually possible (the lesbian sex experience) according to the shows canon?

I thought they were just bodysuits not actually something that transformed them into girls
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>>135890290
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/875838/627122a08a/
There's also the alternate take, with Souji is swapped instead
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Is there a site that keeps track of genderbender manga releases or focuses on scanlating them like Hachimitsu does for traps?

>>135890830
>Nobody uses otokonoko in the western fandom for something else though, so it could theoretically be adopted. Hentai has a completely different meaning in Japanese, but that hasn't really posed a problem. Not that I think it's worth trying to replace the word trap, since its usage is too well entrenched.
Regardless, the point that it is a pointless exercise and not really necessary given that trap is already a perfectly valid equivalent stands.
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>>135891433
But anon according to exhentai the right term is tomgirl.
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>>135891186
Being unaware of what sex is past the age of 10 is probably an indication of mental abnormalities. There is that image that gets posted sometimes on /a/ about girls that know what a dick is being sluts, but that is (hopefully) a joke.

If anything, from a real world perspective Mai is unrealistically innocent. We never see her thinking or discussing sex, which doesn't exactly apply to real world teenagers. Of course that is the case with the majority of girls in otaku media, so Mai doesn't stand out in that respect. But the fact that she has never been in a relationship or had intimate contact beyond kissing (which didn't occur because she wanted it to) does mean that she's pretty innocent.
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>>135804446
both are fine, mfw no mc shrinking and having a loli/milf play with MC
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>>135891433
Not really. I guess you can search for the Genderbender genre or the Gender Transformation tag on Mangaupdates, but the former is too broad and the latter doesn't always get added:
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?genre=Gender%2BBender
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?category=Gender+Transformation

PS: I agree that replacing trap is not worth trying and that many use it as a synonym for otokonoko, but I do think that in the minds of a number of people trap simply means "boy that you mistake for a girl".
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