NIHEI DISCUSSION THREAD!
Few months ago when they began reprinting BLAME! I heard many people saying it's weaker than the original print. Why?
Remind me what happened in this new version that makes it worse than the old one.
I saw some pictures with comparison of both versions. Care to share them again anyone?
Also Nihei thread.
Yeah, let me find them. I didn't get around to scanning the ones that I just took phone pictures with though - I might do that right now.
Beyond simple *changes* to the original print, a lot of pages have proven to be damaged. There are incongruencies, burns, and general shenanigans throughout. Those issues are not things you would notice upon reading through the volumes, though - you would have to be looking for them. Next picture I post will showcase them, if I can find my image.
Here we go. Like I said, the incongruencies and burns are very small and mostly in the early pages - not things you would notice if you were just going to read the volumes.
That's an exaggeration; there's not too much of it. The ones that are actually distracting are mostly near the end of the manga. That being said, 2 more unfortunate comparison pages are coming up in a sec.
People really hate Nihei's less gritty style? I think it is not that bad.
Nihei's "new style" is the worst thing to happen to art in general since Milton Babbitt.
too much white , the architecture stands out better with greys and blacks and his modern character designs make everyone look like fat yukkuris.
killy looked like he had been stuffing his face with one too many silicon food bars in those new blame covers. Abara was where his art was at his peak.
>Abara was where his art was at his peak.
I still prefer the final two or three volumes of Blame! to Abara. There's simply too many good pages in them to say Abara is better. Pic related is one of my favorite manga pages - it's simply incredible how perfectly he was able to use black and screen tone, and he just completely threw all of that technique out of the window for Sidonia and part of Biomega.
I have nothing against Nihei new style, yeah, he developes over the years. But he shouldn't redraw older titles of his. New covers, ok, but leave the insides as they were originaly drawn.
This barrier thing isn't the only thing that he redraw yes?
>This barrier thing isn't the only thing that he redraw yes?
There's some other crap - obviously you can see the massive redraw in my post here: >>135797040
He redraws/changes some other smaller things in the other volumes (and the same one), but that one was just absurdly fucking jarring when I was checking for changes. They also published many of the original colored covers in grayscale for some fucking reason.
Now, for those of you curious or anxious about the Abara reprint - this spread at the beginning is massively crunched down into two pages. Originally this was a 3-4 page spread, I forget which. Also, a painting that takes up a page in the original volume is shown only in a small box - I'll post that next. As I *recall*, literally nothing else has changed besides maybe some grayscale crap - the art in the Abara reprint hasn't been redrawn or computer modified like Blame! was.
Pic related comes in miniature form in the reprint for some bizarre fucking reason, and it's marked with a label in English stating the fucking date and publisher of the magazine in which it was featured, but does not actually feature the image itself. I have a photo of it somewhere; if I can't find it, I'll just take another in a second.
And here's our deliciously crushed spread! How wonderful.
Yes, yes it does, I'm glad we agree on that.
bumping myself because why the fuck not, I want a Blame thread for once in a month
that... doesn't look bad at all?
the Blame scans are really fucked up and they're not supposed to be as dark as they are; there's loads of clipping.
except for the stupid box removal, the new version looks fine.
Maybe. But this "box" is very importance for this scene so removing it is fucking retarded.
It's like taking off gag and rope off a character that you previously gaged and roped in the picture.
It doesn't make any sense that he have problems with moving his arms in this fight if there's nothing to bind him and yet he does. Why? Cause there's a barrier that we don't see and that is supposed to be there, what the actual fuck.
;_; people don't seem to understand how much those kinds of details matter to this manga
I don't know, and there isn't any.
He may not even *make* manga again. After the end of Sidonia, he said that he was "done with deadlines" or something, it's effectively the end of his manga career, and that he didn't intend to write anything that he couldn't do on his own chosen schedule.
His daughter. Not joking or being rude, she somehow cajoles him into making certain things happen in his manga.
Yeah. See: >>135799329
>it's simply incredible how perfectly he was able to use black and screen tone, and he just completely threw all of that technique out of the window for Sidonia and part of Biomega.
Agreed. Apparently he got to do whatever he wanted with Blame (due to a kindly sympathetic editor), which is why it turned out so well - I doubt he got any sort of freedoms comparable to that with Sidonia.
Some of Biomega's architecture was good, but it generally never struck me as particularly thematically effective, as opposed to how it was with Blame and Abara. There are a certain number of exceptional pages - obvious example being the missile page - but those few can't exactly tip the scales. His character/body designs were best in late Blame and Abara for certain, though.
I've bought the reprints. Didn't even notice those defects until I stumbled upon a thread like this.
What I agree with is the fact that it's hard to look at the spreads without crushing the spine of the book. Also, I wish that they included the original covers inside.
Also the new covers are pretty nice. There are also the side views inside.
I assume those were the designs that Nihei did for that short that Polygon pictures did. Maybe the original plan was to do a full-length movie.
>Also, I wish that they included the original covers inside.
That was a big piss-off to me too at first, but I stopped caring eventually since the defects/changes made me become dead inside. I really don't want to believe that the covers we got were Nihei's intended/projected image for Blame art; it'd hurt my heart even more. Even if they were though, death of the author, blah blah blah.
By the by, I didn't notice this for the longest time and haven't had a chance/reason to bring it up in a thread: Nihei drew Killy's face to look relatively normal (in the originals) on one page in Volume 1: pic related. I don't know if he accidentally did it or what, but I thought it was a bizarre coincidence, what with everyone claiming he couldn't draw a human until later.
I think you'll find you won't even need a dictionary; the imagery tends to speak for itself, and where it doesn't, you'll remember the plot/basic lines. The brain skips over the lines that you already know or don't need to recall, because of how massively the art overshadows the talking. I didn't even notice I was doing it unconsciously for a good hour or two.
Oh, he knows how to draw people, but not at a very good level. His focus in art was architecture and other inanimate objects.
He also wanted to show that most characters have mutations and not entirely human anymore.
A lot of time has passed. Nihei said that Kirii was more than 3000 years old. So this is probably the reason why he looks more normal than most other characters. That is also the reason for amnesia and loss of functionality.
I know all that, I just meant that that page specifically had Killy look different; more normal than he usually did around that period. Compare and contrast.
Oh - and there's that one sketching of a guy in Digimortal. Does anyone know if that was something Nihei copied from a sketch of someone in real life, or if he drew it himself? It was bizarrely out-of-place in terms of human design. I'll post it next.
don't be mean to our dear friends
Anyways, this sketch is what I was referencing.
Yea. They are Kirri and Shibo.
Also it's "Toa" not "Toha".
Kinda reminds me of the last Russian Tsar.
>Kinda reminds me of the last Russian Tsar.
Huh, you're right. Nonetheless, the man in the sketch looks much more French/German than he does Russian, so I don't think it was poor old Nick 2.
Also, the only part of your other response that you got right was Toa
Replying to myself here - that also reminds me: has anyone got any lead on what the book is that Killy has in Volume 1? It's almost certainly a translation of *something*... I know people have been looking for a good while, and I haven't asked in a good while. Both these questions are going to bug the crap out of me until we get answers.
Fair. Still, I have this nagging feeling that I've seen a more congruent face before on someone else famous. My studies are primarily in European philosophy, industrialism and literature and those seem like areas that Nihei would choose to reference, given his education/writing. There's just simply too many faces and names for me to run a list of who it *could* be, if anyone at all.
I feel like it's not going to work. It will be better than we expect it to be, but it won't be something you'll want to watch more than once. While the character models and their movements don't look particularly great now, I'm sure it'll look more fluid/true-to-form later on in the production, so that shouldn't be too much of an issue.
The part that really frightens me about their trailers/previews for it is the music. Part of what makes The City so scary is the largely "present" absence of sounds. If they put music really *anywhere* in the film, it could have a very negative effect on the tone/themes of the film's premise. Maybe if we were seeing a camera panning around a massive space, you could have music for 5-10 seconds, but that would be the limit per event. I could never stand for hearing a distorted guitar roaring over Killy fighting Schiff or something; that would completely collapse any and all tension leading up to such a fight.
Please fix Sidonia's ending, Polygon.
It can't be done. The entire premise of Sidonia which was intriguing at first became a joke once the Gauna stopped being a real threat. Nihei scaled up the human technology much too far, making any number of Gauna under 1,000 seem paltry later; after many pilots had died fighting the first few to emerge within the manga's timeline.
It was still pretty interesting until Benisuzume's defeat though. Afterwards it was pretty much nothing but waifufaggotry until the end. I thought it was gonna become interesting again with the gauna-Sho part, but that went nowhere.
I briefly considered suicide when I opened up my volumes and saw the new style crap. I just don't understand where Nihei went wrong. Why does he think it looks good? Who told him that? His daughter?
I don't get it either. Could be because Sidonia got quite popular (enough for an anime adaptation), mostly due to manga being more mainstream than it used to be back when Blame! came out. Maybe he thinks this change of style is the key to his success. Who knows?
The eternal question that can be asked of Nihei for pretty much every decision he's made: Why?
Over time, I've gathered that the answer that he hasn't publicly stated anywhere is: "because fuck you".
Pic related - another "Why" image out of a series of "Why" images from Nihei.
That was kinda what I was getting at - when the Gauna ceased being a real threat, the characters became the real focal point of the manga, unfortunately.
It shouldn't exist at all, unless it's something like this:
While it is simply some guy's projection of what The City would sound like, it'd make a whole hell of a lot more sense than random techno popping in to interrupt what will soon and inevitably be shitposted as "Literally Walking: The Movie"
I can give you more of it. You know what, it's Nihei sharetime, dear friends.
Snikt, the Wolverine manga Nihei did for Marvel:
and Breaking Quarantine, the Halo manga Nihei did for Bungie:
and I'll just post the rest of Bitch's Life to bump the thread a little.
the rest of Nihei's contributions to Bitch's Life*
Nihei's great at drawing "architecturally designed" characters, though. Just take a look at Killy's suits or any one of the Silicon/Safeguard. Drawing characters may not be his #1 priority in manga, but he can certainly mix the two if he wants.
Half of the tags I used are in this guy description.
I think industrial techno stuff like this would fit action scenes pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iaa1LXOwNg and haunting drones like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZfHpR_Wodc accompanying traversing of the endless constructions sounds good to me.
Nice bandcamp project you've found there by the way.
Which is why I hope Polygon makes a third season with an original ending. They stopped at the perfect point for it. And considering the differences in the anime's story I'd say there is a chance they might do it.
You're not alone... I too think that Late Blame/Early Biomega/Abara was his peak. At that moment his style was the best.
Not as sketchy as early Blame and not as clean as Sidonia.
I tend to post a link to it whenever there's a "What to listen to when reading ____" thread. There's another bandcamp project album inspired by Blame, but it's not at all like what you'd expect.
I guess you *could* call it ambient drone or minimalist industrial or something but it's got a strange vibe to it in general, as it's focused around concepts within the manga and not the overarching concept of the manga. Not a bad album, but perhaps not the best choice for it.
Dumping Nihei's Sabrina because I still find it hilarious that it was ever published.
I have to go talk with my wife so I can't stay an bump the thread, but, is he ever going to finish BLAME!? I first started reading and was completely lost, but the art was so good I kept going, I'm still not entirely sure what I read, 3 times. Iv gone and tried to read all of his other spin off's as well, Sidonia was meh at best tho.
>is he ever going to finish BLAME!?
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're one of countless people who didn't realize this was the final page, and not just a "summary" drawing at the end.
Yessir. His unique style is what makes his art so intriguing.
The text on this picture is nonsensical garbage, but I still like the visuals.
The story on that one was pretty meh / dull. The art was great yeah.
Oh totally forgot he was Sidonia guy, and I watched that. Yeah kind of wished that it wasn't computer animation, so his art style would shine through. Like Aijin. Not that the computer animation of that studio is horrible, but i would prefer hand drawn.
>How do you interpret it?
I made a post about it a while ago, I'll see if I can find it in a bit, but the basic idea was that it doesn't really have a deeper meaning (you can probably find one for yourself, if you'd like, but I don't think it was intended to be a particularly metaphorical work with any deep themes), and that it was more of an experiment in how much a world can be fleshed out by such a simple manga, with minimal text and only a few panels.
In all seriousness, it's finished. So here's your entire story:
Killy is a surviving human legal authority from before the Netsphere disaster. The Netsphere disaster was an event in which the Silicon Life organization, hackers and businessmen managed to cause a massive error in the programming: instead of Safeguards only attacking people trying to utilize the Netsphere for malicious purposes, they now attack *all* humans. You saw the technology available in the manga - a million Safeguard units can spawn at any one place and butcher everyone. Just prior to the disaster, there was a change in protocol: only those possessing Net Terminal genes would be allowed to access the Netsphere. They, along with most other humans, were killed en masse, and possessing the genes and connecting to a terminal is the only means of re-entering the Netsphere and resolving the chaos. Those who survived the "purge", I guess would be the appropriate term, are the ancestors of the people Killy runs into during his travels. Everyone except him (and one other character, but that doesn't matter) from the time before the disaster is dead, and all the contemporary people know is that the Safeguards are bad and will kill humans.
Anyway, Killy is thousands of years old by the time the manga begins and his memory constantly deteriorates due to the limits of a human brain, hence he does not remember his cybernetic augmentations nor how to activate or use them. We watch him travel around the constantly expanding City, looking for someone with Net Terminal genes. That is the sole purpose of his quest, and he is heavily implied to be an extremely high-level legal authority: he is not allowed to lose consciousness or shut down without eliminating immediate threats to his existence, he has the most powerful GBE, and he is virtually impossible to kill due to his regenerative qualities.
There is a plague that is spreading in the air of The City, brought about by the Silicon.
>I made a post about it a while ago, I'll see if I can find it in a bit
Found the post I made a few months ago. It doesn't really add much to what I said above, and this was an OPT so it has a bit of added context that need not be re-stated in a Nihei thread, but I'll copy-paste the whole thing here anyway. Sorry if this isn't a very eloquent statement of my idea, but I think it gets the point across:
"It's essentially an experiment in how a world can be developed and fleshed out in such a short manga through carefully thought out panels and very minimalistic use of text. That's also something we see (albeit in a less concentrated, though by virtue of being much longer, ultimately more developed) in Nihei's later work, BLAME!
With Sabrina, and BLAME! as well, we see an interesting kind of storytelling by which the themes of a work are not conveyed through actions and events to be seen as metaphors for certain ideas, nor as ideas explicitly featured in the story itself, but as ideas implicit to the nature of the world depicted. BLAME! has been subjected to much analysis in this sense, but there isn't really much discussion of Sabrina online. When reading these works, I think it's best to consider what we can and cannot infer from what we see, and to do that we have to look into the details and consider what they mean.
At 6 pages, the world in Sabrina can only be explored in so much depth, but if you look at what we see there, you can see an underlying logic to the things that are going on."
The plague can and will kill any humans it comes into contact with. Humans of this era are wholly unfamiliar with the concept of disease - throughout the space of The City, there are nanomachines that actively eliminate all possible viruses, germs, etc. so that there is never any sickness. It is intended to prevent Killy from completing his quest of finding a survivor with Net Terminal genes, by killing any remaining humans that might have them.
Eventually Killy runs into TOA and gets a genetic sample from another ancient human, Seu. Seu then disappears into a spacetime rift with his waifu. Davinellulinvega, a hulking outcast Silicon with huge influence, wants to access the Netsphere just to see what it looked like. She employs brutal tactics in order to get the sample off of Cibo, because she has discovered a provisional terminal to the Netsphere with lax access requirements: you only need a human's DNA to enter the Netsphere in this terminal. Shenanigans ensue, Cibo does something fucking stupid, Davinel and Dhomochevsky die. Davinellulinvega, however, managed to access and start a download for a Level 9 Safeguard unit before her ultimate death. Being the only living person still hooked into the machinery, the download starts in Cibo's body and both the Safeguard unit and Seu's genetic information is transferred into her; the latter in an orb stuck to her stomach. Killy freaks the fuck out because he has no idea what the fuck is going on, much like most readers at this point, and shoots at this weird, morphed Level 9 Cibo-looking thing. It determines he's a threat, and teleports a CHUNK OF THE SUN into the room where they are fighting. As I said in the last post, Killy can't lose consciousness unless he eliminates threats: he briefly emerges from a pool of lava and shoots the now-vulnerable Level 9 unit, permanently crippling it and restoring some control over the body and mind to Cibo, but she has unfortunately mentally regressed to a child's state.
After 14 years in self-contained stasis embedded in molten rock, Killy wakes up. He has somewhat returned to a more human state for the time being, finds his gun, and starts firing it off at full-power in every direction, angrily/laughingly in the face of his nigh-impossible survival and involuntary imprisonment in an immobile body.
Shit happens, Killy starts tracking down Cibo. He acquires a talking necklace along the way. Sanakan became an agent of the Governing Agency because they inexplicably had her data records, and were able to restore her to the physical world, so she's now working to help with the Cibo issue too; but she doesn't know if Killy is even alive, much less where he would be. Cibo and Sanakan spend a ludicrous amount of time traveling, fighting off increasingly powerful and deadly Silicon Life until Sanakan is overwhelmed and killed again. Cibo is taken in by the primary faction of Silicon Life for the orb; their intentions for it are unclear and never explained because they die. Sanakan demands the Governing Agency reboot her into reality once more - this time with a better fucking gun - and they comply, but warn her that if she dies again, they won't be able to resurrect her. She massacres her way through the Silicon alliance, slaughtering almost all of them (Killy kills one of them off-panel) and lands, wounded, with Cibo on a little bridge thing. The Exterminator Safeguard arrives, and prepares to push everyone's shit in. Killy arrives, and prepares to push the Exterminator's shit in. The Exterminator cheats and puts a box around Killy that prevents him from doing anything, and Sanakan saves him by redirecting its attack aimed at Killy towards herself. Killy sets the GBE to max settings and blasts through both the box and the Exterminator, completely destroying *all* of their environs, and probably was the reason Cibo died, but I can't say anything solid about that. Dying Sanakan tells Killy the secret:
She merged her own genetic information with Seu's, which resides within the orb affixed to Cibo. Seu had Net Terminal genes, and the orb-child will now, too. The only problem is that the orb cannot grow into a human until it is in a place safe/free from the plague altogether. Killy leaves the talking necklace with a representative of the Governing Agency, who takes its data into a virtual storage facility - that's where we get the weird, dreamy chapter. He was told by the representative that the journey he's now going to undergo will be even longer and even harder than EVERYTHING leading up to that point.
We timeskip forward an unknown amount of time. Killy is running out of power, out of motivation, out of even care to complete his task. He can't regenerate properly (or at least quickly) anymore. He's constantly demoralized by the fact that new Safeguard units have been created using the recovered design of the Level 9 (Cibo's face), and has to now constantly kill beings that wear her face. He reaches a level where it's raining, and lies down, knowing that his mission is close to an end: when the Builders are creating a new level, they flood the level with fluids beforehand. He has reached the edge of The City after God knows how many thousands of years of walking and fighting constantly. An extremely high level Safeguard - one with the exact same design as Killy - shoots him in the head before he can exit properly. Again, Killy can't lose consciousness yet, unlike any other individual: he shoots and kills the Safeguard and then collapses entirely. The fluids rise over a massive, slogging period of time, eventually carrying Killy up to the surface - the top, and the true, absolute end of the level: the edge of The City. He sees plants growing, and the orb beginning to change colors.
>He's constantly demoralized
I`m not shure that he has any feels at the end. Killy probably lost all his humanity (?) during the manga chapters. In early volumes he smiled, eat, frightened, but after second half he was turned into walking killing machine.
Our last page - the one here: >>135807374 - is another timeskip of sorts. Killy is leading the child, who is obviously of several years' age now and is wearing a sealed hazmat suit to protect from the Silicon plague, *back into* The City. His quest now is to find a terminal with which to connect to the Netsphere and finally, finally, finally resolve the chaos and allow the Governing Agency to regain control over the operations of The City (excluding those of the Safeguards). In Blame! 2, a one-shot sequel, it is revealed that Killy succeeded long ago. So much time has passed that people don't even believe he ever existed: he is a myth, a legend. The humans began to rebuild their respective societies throughout the Megastructures, and they also began to drive the Silicon Life out, exacting a genocide on the species. One Silicon survives and makes it to a different edge of The City - one with a door - where they are accosted by an unholy amount of Safeguards, one of which is an Exterminator. They are miraculously rescued as they begin to lose consciousness by Killy, who uses the GBE to destroy the Exterminator and to blast a hole through the "door" to the outside. The Silicon wakes up outside of The City, on a strange, sandy ocean shore. Carrying the genetic information of his(?) entire group of Silicon Life he flies off into the unknown space, searching for a new home for the species where they will not be persecuted.
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. That's our story. It's amazing that Blame! summarized is still like 10 paragraphs.
He goes apeshit when he gets out of the coma, he cries when Cibo dies, he bothers to pick up Mori and to hand her off to someone he can trust, he lies down flat on the ground in the pouring rain instead of doing anything after he blows up yet another Cibo replica. All examples of clear human emotion.
Track the manga with my summary and you won't be particularly lost. I left holes in it where things should be relatively clear, so you'll still need to figure those out if you're dumb.
I should re-read BLAME!, I've forgotten a lot of stuff. I'll probably wait until the rescans with a better translation come out for the sake of getting a better idea of things I was unsure of. Anyway, I agree with a lot of what you've put, though there are a few things I interpret differently. However, I just picked up on this:
Killy has both legs here, but in the bit just before and the bit just after, he has lost a leg. Is this bit something like a flashback to a similar event that had happened a bit earlier, or has Nihei made a mistake in the art?
The first volume's action scenes are fucking bizarre and you're absolutely right, are hard to follow: if you don't get it the first time you see it, you'll have to look at it a few times to get a better understanding. That being said, that is *only* the first volume. The rest of the fights are pretty simple, pretty easy to digest. Especially the one I posted at the top of this thread, provided the box is there.
Blame is called Blame! because it's the sound Killy's gun makes. Just thought you guys mind want to know that.
>tfw when bo Blame! game developed by From Software
May be it was Safeguard, which shot Killy at the end?
>Killy has both legs here, but in the bit just before and the bit just after, he has lost a leg. Is this bit something like a flashback to a similar event that had happened a bit earlier, or has Nihei made a mistake in the art?
That's not Killy, that's the high-level Safeguard tracking him.
If there's something you interpret differently, it's presumably something left largely open to interpretation, hence it doesn't really matter which way you read it so long as it's comprehensible. I kinda intended the summary to be more of a guide than a true summary.
It makes a "blam!" sound, dummy. Nihei misspelled it and they decided it looked/sounded cooler.
I'm 99% certain he's said on at least one occasion that his daughter coerced him into doing something. He'll deny it being significant to the death; much like he denied remembering much of Blame and Abara, right?
I've read all your paragraphs and I was shocked. I did read BLAME! few years ago and it was one of a kind manga. What you've written in your paragraphs schocked me cause I never thought about ending that way. You know, that reaching the edge of the Dyson Sphere wasn't the end. And that the last page showed Killy escorting the child from the Orb back to the Megastructure. I must have missed the part with Silicon Life virus murdering remaining humans that could end the chaos. I definietly need to reread BLAME! when I have time.
I reread NOiSE few weeks ago so it would be good to do it with BLAME! as quick as I can.
10 volumes but it's sucha great manga.
When do you get a little more explanation on what's really going on and who Killy is? I'm almost done with the first volume, and I'm really liking it. The art is great, and the worldbuilding is getting me hard. I can infer and read between the lines and speculate on what's happening (or maybe more importantly, what happened) to the world Killy and the other characters are in, and the motivations for people wanting to kill Killy, but do things start to piece themselves together, soon?
I'm not asking for a flat out wall of text explaining every last detail, but maybe some more hints that the readers could pick up on.
>I must have missed the part with Silicon Life virus murdering remaining humans that could end the chaos
It was literally mentioned one time and never brought up again, but it's still a huge plot point.
>When do you get a little more explanation on what's really going on and who Killy is?
On who Killy is? Never; at least not directly. On "what's really going on", I think Volume 3, when he picks up a hot chick in the big city.
>I'm not asking for a flat out wall of text explaining every last detail, but maybe some more hints that the readers could pick up on.
It takes a while to form a picture of whats going on. It feeds you little details all the way through, and some things that you dismissed might end up being really important but it's hard to know since you lack context.
It's the kind of manga that gets better with each reread.
He quoted Giger as a huge influence.
Not that true. Actually his editor for Sidonia, mr Suzuki, was a huge fan of Blame! when he was studying in college before becoming an editor, so he let a lot of liberties to Nihei. It's just that Nihei was tired of not being understood, not even by family and friends. Or at least that's what he said.
Oh fuck, yeah, I'm an idiot, it's the safeguard. Even has the logo on their clothes in the last panel, though it also has "PLAYFORD" on as well.
>If there's something you interpret differently, it's presumably something left largely open to interpretation, hence it doesn't really matter which way you read it so long as it's comprehensible.
Mostly, yeah. It's pretty easy to overlook stuff with BLAME!, since a lot of things are shown without any explicit meaning given. I'll try to go through the whole manga at some point and try to make a more detailed account of what I think is going on, and post it in a future Nihei thread or something to see what people think.
I swear I've seen a genuine Nihei scat doujin, but can't find anymore. Fuck.
>I'll try to go through the whole manga at some point and try to make a more detailed account of what I think is going on.
OP here. After plowing through this thread I think about doing that too. Anon writing what's going on in BLAME! in paragraphs sort of enlightened me to new things I missed or interpreted differently. This thread turned out better tha I've expected, I'm glad.
He evaded most questions about them by saying it's been too long and he doesn't remember, like when one guy asked about the girl with the dog in the first chapter and her answered by saying he didn't know who we were taking about.
What the fuck is the Netsphere, anyway?
How many times have you read BLAME! exposition anon?
And do you think reprint is worth buying? Changes happened only in few pages right? So comparing those changed pages against hundreds from the whole thing makes them little to no problem at all?
Yesterday they announced we will get Blame! and Knights of Sidonia in Poland.
Until now we only had Abara from Nihei.
Looking really forward to this since it will be 2in1, B5 and hardcover (pre-order only)
As for Sidonia ending was disappointing and manga itself wasn't all that good but I will probably buy it anyway if there will be some promotion.
>Why did Killy want the Net Terminal gene?
Past the point where he is told of its significance by the governing agency at the end of volume 2, the answer should be obvious. Reading some of the comments Nihei has made, and by considering the manga, it seems likely that he was working as an agent of some organisation prior to this, to find the NTG for them, though either he abandoned them for the governing agency at the end of volume 2, or he simply forgot about that organisation and simply focused on his task, which Nihei has suggested may be viable due to the vast amounts of time that pass during Killy's journey through the megastructures. Now, the organisation may have been the governing agency (or some smaller body within), and the scene at the end of volume 2 may have been to reveal details not previously given to him, or to remind him of his quest, since he had spent a long time traversing levels that the Agency could not reach. It seems likely that he worked for an organisation under the control of the governing agency, or the government that existed in Noise, given the line "Killy is a secret agent of a pre-safeguard system". A second option is that this organisation was one we haven't heard of, that may not even exist any more. A third option is that he worked for the Cyber Life Society, and the dog girl from chapter 2 was his correspondence with them, working under Cibo, to find the NTG. That theory is a little more far-fetched, though, and requires a lot of making shit up to get it to work.
Most likely, I think Killy was an advanced Cyborg tasked by a police-like body working under the government in Noise (or maybe independently after the collapse) to find and protect NTG holders from the safeguard, though was not given a reason why at that stage, and the dog girl was among the remnants of that organisation.
I want a 500-hour long Blame! game so fucking badly. Or just A blame! game. Somebody, please fucking make one and make it good.
So is the Netsphere a computer that's so fucking powerful that it can literally alter time, space and the concepts of physics?
It's happening, but it's mostly just a walking simulator. A action-based BLAME! game can't happen for a long time, because GBE damage would be too hard to render properly in real time right now, I imagine.
Dude, what. That's fucking crazy. Man, Blame's world is literally the best Sci-Fi world to ever exist.
The concept of a structure so big it actually envelops the moon, uses it as building material and then moves on is just so out there it's incredible.
I thought Davinel was killed before reaching the side of the river in the netsphere, and that's when Cibo connection kicks in, as she is the one that always wanted to see the netsphere (considering the experiments she was doing way back before meeting Killy).
>She merged her own genetic information with Seu's, which resides within the orb affixed to Cibo.
>Seu had Net Terminal genes
That is debatable. The whole "2 moms" was weird as explained in the virtual storage dialog.
>new Safeguard units have been created using the recovered design of the Level 9 (Cibo's face)
Aren't those Silicons? They had loli cibo for a while, so they would get its data.
Get the GTI versions for the first 3 volumes. They have a couple of flaws compared to Omanga, but the image quality is better, plus right to left. Omanga is right to left v4 onwards.
Nihei got his inspiration for the city from pic related.
I'd recommend it to anyone who likes Blame.
>secret club has the first three GTI volumes specifically
>and Omanga scans
Thanks anon. Never even knew right-to-left scans of this existed. Any of the flaws you mentioned major that I need to be aware of?
Reminder that Cibo is canonically unattractive.
Reminder that Cibo does not have any sort of libido.
Is it still possible to buy the old release? Japanese. I like the volume covers.
Reminder that Cibo lacks sex organs.
What. May be she isn`t typical moe-moe girl, but still pretty cute.
Also, Killy changed from from vol.1 ugly freak to sort of handsome... whatever he is, at the end.
I haven't actually read the Omanga versions in full, but the GTI versions were pretty fine. They pretty much use the exact same translation, word for word,only with shittier grammar (essentially, the GTI versions are a quick re-edit with better raws). I think they did try rewording a couple of lines early on, and although I haven't compared side by side, I think there's only one slightly more significant fuck up in what they did, which is within the very first few pages. "I think he wanted my bag Killy" was instead "Killy, I bet he wanted my cell" in the Omanga version. Omanga is better here, though neither are great. I'm told it should be more like "Killy, I think he was after my genes." That's about it, though. Enjoy.
Reminder that sexual reproduction hasn't existed in the Blame! universe for thousands of years.
Nihei mentioned the characters being androgynous in his artbook.
I don't really know any Japanese, so I can't say, but from what I've picked up from people who do know Japanese, it should be a good enough experience, and the translation does convey the meanings properly for the most part. I want to avoid putting you off, but I won't lie and say it's immaculate. So, on a 1-10 scale, where 10 is practically the same experience as you'd have in Japanese, 1 is JoJo Part 5 original translation and 5 is a typical scanlation group translator, maybe like a 7 or an 8?
That's acceptable then. Above-average works for me since it'll be better than average group translation so I shouldn't get something stupid like
weekly mangastream/mangapanda One Piecetrans, and it'll be far far above DUWANG tier.
I'll dump this because why not
well I supposed it's more sensible just to go to the pixiv and look at it rather than for me to dump it here
It's all the same shit. This pattern can be seen in most of his works. Nihei starts off strong with a series, his interest in it rapidly deteriorates, and it ends abruptly rushed with nothing but asspulls to accompany it.
everything is out of order but I'll do it for you
What is Toha Heavy Industries?
How much influence do they have in the building of the megastructure in BLAME! or are they an entity that adapted to the megastructures around them? It's so weird that this Japanese company exists/survives in such a harsh world where cultural traces of humans are almost wiped clean.
It seems like they are a faction of a long, long-gone era (capitalistic origins back on Earth?) that somehow managed to operate separate to the megastructure.
I think his "new style" fits well for Sidonia most of the time as the mains characters give a pretty lighthearted tone to the manga.
When the story is more dark and gritty, his old style would have been a better choice.
I think he should alternate between the two instead of forgetting how good he was with blacks and grays.
In Biomega, the change of style follows the story and makes the new world really different. I was hopping at the time that it would be just for the sake of the story and it wouldn't become the way he draws all the time. Sadly, I was wrong.
They came into contact with the City long after it started expanding. Toha's AI negotiated a mutual "don't touch our shit" treaty with Safeguard whom act somewhat sane because they aren't mandated to eliminate AI's.
I heard theories that they were some kind of dimension travelers thanks to their gravity furnace that could warp space and time.
Meanwhile BIOMEGA Universe:
- Holy shit man, zombies everywhere, they're taking over the world let's get the fuck away from here using this new experiment devide of ours.
After dimensional jump to BLAME Universe:
- Where the fuck did this device threw us to, now there's a shit ton of hostile androids trying to kill us and get in here!
He's such a motherfucker. He went back and explained Abara like 2 months before your thing in Italy, didn't he? I know he knows the answers.
Well over 100 times, each time looking for something I might have missed the last time.
Reprint is worth buying if you're not a "seasonal fan" kind of person, and will actually read the manga at a later point. Yes, changes only happen on a few pages, they're just upsetting changes.
>I thought Davinel was killed before reaching the side of the river in the netsphere, and that's when Cibo connection kicks in, as she is the one that always wanted to see the netsphere (considering the experiments she was doing way back before meeting Killy).
Nope, the Governing Agency explicitly says that Davinel was the one who stuck his hand into the Netsphere.
>That is debatable. The whole "2 moms" was weird as explained in the virtual storage dialog.
Think of it like a surrogate pregnancy, but super-future. The 2 genetic samples that are mixed - Sanakan and Seu's - are implanted into the orb which is "carried" by Cibo. It's Sanakan and Cibo's child by virtue of the fact that Cibo is the one in physical possession of the child, but Sanakan and Seu's child by genetics.
>Aren't those Silicons? They had loli cibo for a while, so they would get its data.
We see at the end that the Safeguards are pursuing Killy with more and more force; the Silicon Life group that was involved with Level 9 Cibo was completely exterminated by Sanakan.
Consider that his face was removed at least once.
>end came too fast
pls go away
Toha is literally just a massive company conglomerate that existed before the Netsphere disaster. They closed all entrances/exits when they realized shit was coming down hard, and the people living in it are the descendants of the people who got locked in. Safeguards can't invade it because they had a legal agreement with Toha, made presumably immediately after the disaster began.
pls go away
you can come back when you've solved this puzzle
When Killy saw lv9 Cibo for the first time, he shot it reflexively because Cibo aimed at him with her weird arrow. But the arrow healed him and his right hand regenerated with it. So I think Cibo didn't recognize him as an opponent at that time. It's to remove Pcell that Cibo used the sun nuke.
I just remembered, I think I know what you're referring to - he meant androgynous in appearance. There's no distinctive traits that really distinguish human men from women in this future beyond hair length and tits. That being said, the other species are even more androgynous. You wouldn't have known or guessed Davinel was a chick until I mentioned it.
But I'm not that previous dude that said Nihei was fed up. I'm just curious of your opinion.
Also what's this Playford thing that's written on Killy's arm and Safeguard collar?
And wasn't this safeguard that looked like Killy suppose to be bald? I remember that it was bald safeguard thath blew half of his head, or maybe I was mistaken?
I heard someone say in the past that every white haired female like the one from elevator in log 2 or this child from log 1 are some kind of Cibo's incarnation.
I wonder if that child from log 1 had net terminal gene.
He shot because he was trying to kill the Safeguard in front of him. The arrow healed him because Cibo was still "in there", but quickly fading away while waiting for the Level 9's programming to fully kick in. When he shot her the first time, whatever Cibo had become at that point - either a heavily mutated Cibo or an almost completed Level 9, your choice - recognized him as an enemy and exploded the room. Killy had already killed Pcell. Go back and read it again; Pcell also shoots at Cibo, Killy realizes she's still alive and murders her.
I still don't get people's hard-on for Blame!, it really felt like it wasted a lot of its own potential to me.
The architecture porn could be godly (like seriously, the shading and sense of scale alone was great) and a lot of the less human looking characters were fantastically creepy, but what little there was of the main narrative was fairly poor and often just made reading a drag after it took over the manga because of how uninteresting and unmemorable the characters were - and the ending was a poorly explained, poorly paced mess.
I really wish it had just stayed as a more experimental piece, with Killy wandering the City and encountering weird, fucked up, or amazing shit in it endlessly - just a stream of tiny stories and scenes from across it's truly gigantic breadth.
The scene with the tribe of clones who subsisted entirely off eating new babies spat out by the machine that birthed them was incredible, and represents Blame! at its best for me.
It took like ten pages max and yet the atmosphere, grotesque sense of horror it instilled in you as you gradually pieced together what was going on, the design of the locality and cloning machine with the emaciated body strapped into it were fantastic, and without a single word spoken it conveyed an immensely sad and moving story. Fuck, I'd kill for an entire manga of scenes of that quality.
I don't think it was rushed because I don't think it was rushed. Cibo getting the orb was in volume 8; it's obvious that it was moving towards a conclusion from that point out.
>Also what's this Playford thing that's written on Killy's arm and Safeguard collar?
Japanese clothing line. Nihei used to have some involvement with them; there's some Nihei-esque clothes out there made by them, but they haven't been manufactured in years and there's no way to get them.
>And wasn't this safeguard that looked like Killy suppose to be bald? I remember that it was bald safeguard thath blew half of his head, or maybe I was mistaken?
Not quite sure what you're asking. The bald safeguard is the one that looks like Killy - its only obvious aesthetic differences are in the facial composition and lack of hair.
>I heard someone say in the past that every white haired female like the one from elevator in log 2 or this child from log 1 are some kind of Cibo's incarnation.
That's original content that came from the OVA, it's not true in the slightest. Even Nihei hated it; hence why he was and has been very wary of adaptations of his works since then.
>I wonder if that child from log 1 had net terminal gene.
we dunno; what the chick says on the phone to Dr Doom was incredibly nonspecific and unclear
>but what little there was of the main narrative was fairly poor and often just made reading a drag after it took over the manga because of how uninteresting and unmemorable the characters were - and the ending was a poorly explained, poorly paced mess
Start here: >>135808335
and then keep reading until the summary ends, then scroll down and do the puzzle. Then you can post again.
I understand the story mate, I'm not a retard and I knew how to use Google to grasp the bits I didn't quite get.
I just think it was conveyed extremely poorly in the manga itself, meaning all the main cast besides arguably Killy are boring as shit, and the timeskips make the ending feel like a rushed mess because of how they fail to fill in any of the details of what transpired during them and just sort of dump you into a new time-period with zero context for what's happening.
>they fail to fill in any of the details
I don't think you quite understood the manga
I also don't think you did the puzzle
>conveyed extremely poorly in the manga itself
I think that's part of the appeal for a lot of people. It's fun to "put the pieces togther" and understand exactly what's going on.
Not for everyone, though.
>I don't think you quite understood the manga
I do mate, just because it failed to explain something doesn't mean I was too dumb to Google the answer after.
Though if you're instead referencing the fact that it's an intentionally vague work where you're supposed to infer the general gist of what happens instead of get explicitly told, I'm aware of that also. I just feel the clues it gave were insufficient for many key parts of the narrative, leading to it being impossible to actually figure out a lot of the details without consulting additional sources or just miraculously being on the same wavelength as Nihei mentally.
There's nothing inherently wrong with ambiguity or vagueness in storytelling, but when the text fails to give enough clues to the reader to at least hint reasonably close to what it's trying to depict then it's a problem.
>I also don't think you did the puzzle
Yeah, that's totally fair - I've felt the same towards quite a few books myself, so I totally get enjoying that kind of story.
My issue is just that I think Blame! fails to give enough info to let the reader even guess at what certain scenes mean, or some of the major details of the backstory, and it really does the cast and overall narrative no favours, IMO.
I remember that near the end of his journey Killy met bald Safeguard with his own face that shot him in the head. But on the pictures here this safeguard that's tracking him down looks almost identical to him with suit and hair included. That's why I'm surprised.
really loved the exposition, as i completely missed the part where killy had to start killing safeguards that all looked like cibo
one thing i remembered was how cibo's height was really inconsistent through the manga--even with her multiple bodies, isn't she supposed to always be a lot taller than killy?
It doesn't have the hair, and it's designed to be identical to him: it's the same model augmentations that he has. That's the only reason it managed to get the drop on him.
See >>135810197 - there's been a distinctive effort to make it clear there's no hair on his head in the first panel.
She inhabits a short person for a while, then transfers into her alternate universe body, etc, etc. Any one of those could be different in height.
>Like 4chan, but more hardcore.
I found moot.
i really wonder how seu and mav's relationship started
i bet he was pretty crazy even from before all the reconstructions if he walked around the world of blame in a fucking cape and broadsword
Oh. I definietly need to re-read BLAME! When I look at this thread I see that there's some stuff that escaped my eyes when I finished this story for the first time few years ago.
It's not like those are common weapons. The only two GBE-type weapons we see are Killy's and Sanakan's. Only the upper-echelon Silicon soldiers had the gravity swords; the rest generally opted for machine guns or weird sword-y weapons.
Blame is getting a retranslatoin with the new scans btw. Habanero is doing it but their editor is taking forever, go into their IRC channel and bitch at him.
I remember that some higher class Safeguards or Silicon Life Creatures got similiar weapon but not as powerful. Also Safeguards couls swarm you en masse and overpower you with numbers.
Also I remember those bug creatures or whatever it was near the begining of the story with some kind of kinetic weapon that would blast you to smitherness painting the wall behind you with your blood and crushed pieces.
Megastructure seems so fucking dangerous to humans it's scary to move anywhere outside your shelter and even in such places there's possibility that something will find you and massacre your entire population.
I really want to tatoo myself those characters in cibos's back.
I already tatooed my shoulder with the Safeguard inverted cross.
can someone help me with more clearer o "straight" characters?
>Also I remember those bug creatures or whatever it was near the begining of the story with some kind of kinetic weapon that would blast you to smitherness painting the wall behind you with your blood and crushed pieces.
Specific technology that was developed and exists only in that city Cibo started off in.
>I remember that some higher class Safeguards or Silicon Life Creatures got similiar weapon but not as powerful. Also Safeguards couls swarm you en masse and overpower you with numbers.
Safeguards can't and won't attack him because of the contract. The Silicon Life in Toha didn't have anything particularly threatening, especially given that we know that Seu and the retard with the giant switchblade had some sort of rivalry.
Not saying Seu wasn't strong - he obviously had to be, in order to beat retard-with-switchblade. He just wasn't some Super Guts figure or something.
thanks, I already found that one tho. I was expecting someone to have some kind of render of it lol.
But I think I will have to do it myself
anyone else has nihei related tatoos?
I also thought about the TOHA logo but I think it has become to mainstream may reveal my powerlevel
Oh, there's the icon on the Silicon Life facility in Volume 1. This one.
go solve the puzzle then come back
No, Habanero hasn't released them. That being said, there's a few sparse garbage scans I made at the top of the thread.
>i mean just doing a double take on those specific panes
>it's not like nihei's action is particularly easy to follow
it's certainly better than some of the shounen I had in mind
So I've been wondering for awhile and this seems like the right place to ask: I've yet to finish Sidonia and after I had the ending spoiled to me awhile ago I sorta dropped the manga out of disappointment. I've read up through vol 14. Is it worth finishing the series?
Reminder that Cibo's cibos are
probably notcanonically this sexy.
I havt read it for a few years, but felt like it was a rehash of Blame! but with bone weapons. Seemed uninspired and boring at the time.
Also whats with the faggot posting about the fucking gif puzzle repeatedly.
Killy is way too fucking pretty in the sidonia style
would have preferred something more closer to old nihei for the new movie/ova whatever the fuck it is.
also white blue gbe beam>>>>>red
If you don't have the patience to figure out a maze, you certainly don't have the patience to actually read Nihei. I posted the puzzle link at people I thought were retarded.
is the person explaining and answering questions here
Cool to explain things for retards, but posting over and over some smug ass reply is no better than a smug reaction image, and makes you a faggot shitposter. Just ignore and hide it, as you should with this post.
>not even an anime smug girl reaction image
They fucked up important stuff pretty badly, the box is a tiny graphical detail but a huge detail to the plot.
Well shit I guess I forgot half of it. I'll reread it now, thanks.
I didn't watch Sidonia because I thought it sucked because of being full cgi and the feeling being so much different than I thought it would be. They can't fuck it up that bad with BLAME! though right? Maybe it'll end up a 4/10.
You know, I really love whenever I see a BLAME! thread (though this was a nihei one). For some reason I always feel like I'm the only one that read it, even after I visit a thread, so these feel really comfy while they last. Thanks, anons.
How do you think netsphere porn is like and why is Sanakan so cool?
>The scene with the tribe of clones who subsisted entirely off eating new babies spat out by the machine that birthed them was incredible
there is more weird shit were that came from.
Nihei never denied nor confirmed this hypothesis, even thought he's been asked many times.
There are also other elements that seem to tie also Biomega and Abara in, as the Gauna, the N5S virus and the Gravity Beam Emitter, but we'll never get a definite answer, either because Nihei doesn't want to spoonfeed his readers to keep the interest and theory crafting high or because he's just reusing elements but doesn't want to openly admit it.
By the way, this thread finally made me go and complete the last "big" work by Nihei I hadn't yet read, Abara.
How does Digimortal (the last two chapters) tie in? I'm not sure if I'm supposed to see it as a flashback or a fast forward to the future after the
saving of the two guys, noah ark style, or it's just unrelated.
Not exactly correct: Noise tells us, that the Netsphere planned to kill all humans without net genes. That was the Safeguards first job.
Then sometimes after or at the same time the virus happened and fucked up the genes of those with the net genes. Maybe the Silicon Lifes (at that time a Cult) thit it, maybe not.
Without working net genes all humans were targeted by the safe guard, most were killed.
Silicium Lifes flourished in the ensuing chaos.
Then BLAME! happens.
>reprints are fucked
I've been so regretting that I didn't buy the whole series when I had the chance. Only bought half of it, and the other half vanished from stores while I blinked. Now only place I can find it is from ebay scalpers.
Same here but with another series. Bought half the volumes from a store to see if they were legit because it was too cheap, they arrived a week later and by then the other half had sold out.
I really didn't like Sidonia because of the full CGI thing, but this is looking pretty good in comparison. If the whole movie has this quality, it will be fine.
I agree with >>135804987 saying that the music can really ruin the scenario. It would be veery easy to fuck up the feeling of loliness and desolation that the City gives.
I guess the second time you meant to quote >>135805262
And I agree. The first time that I read Blame! was with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI1Yayoeozc as bgm and it felt really on spot most of the time.
The music in the PV is utterly shit. Should be much "comfier" and really, really less loud.
Is there anywhere we can mass complain about the music choice hoping it's soon enough that changing it is no monetary loss so they can think about it and not just dismiss the idea?
>By the way, this thread finally made me go and complete the last "big" work by Nihei I hadn't yet read, Abara.
>How does Digimortal (the last two chapters) tie in? I'm not sure if I'm supposed to see it as a flashback or a fast forward to the future after the
saving of the two guys, noah ark style, or it's just unrelated.
Sorry for the shameless selfbump.
You and everybody else, adn what do you think about THIS as a background music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUUtWL6iWo
I for example listening to this were reading 2001 Ya Monogatari and Two Faces of Tomorrow. Really hard sci-fi manga with realistic art style.
Just got done lurking, thanks for the thread, exposition-kun. Wish the BLAME! volumes were cheaper. Bought all of Biomega new for a friend's Christmas present for about $40. Thinking of getting them again for myself, should have done a fresh read-through before I wrapped them.
I know, but applied to humans it is gross
>Why is merging with reality?
It's the internet but in the future, so everything is stored and backed-up on it. It's massively more "technically" open as well, in terms of programs/programming - a conscious mind can exist within it. That's the real essence of what it is. The technology that houses the Netsphere is in the walls of the Megastructure. Artbook states that it may or may not have had an AI-type intelligence used to help control things/put stuff in order before the disaster.