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Saw this coming a mile away but fucking shit this dude is more than just operator, he's fucking mental.
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Did a romantic subplot ever pop up?
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>>135783607
Took me a moment to realize what he did. Man. The heck.

Time to check out the new chapter, then.
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>>135783607
Did he fuse with his ghost or something? Switched places with it?
I stopped reading after MC and eyebrows met the guy whose girlfriend was in the hospital at the hospital.
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>>135783713
Oh wait, never mind. My guess was totally off. Seems like he didn't skin himself and disguise his Akin with it after all.

>>135783790
Nah. He regenerated from a hand he chopped off and had sent to the building everyone is at after liquefying his entire body.
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>>135783808
Huh, strange, but makes sense. I just don't remember them ever regenerating with those "bandages" like that, reminded me of how the ghosts look a lot more than how their regen works.
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>>135783790
He chopped off his hand, hid it among some fried chicken or someshit, mailed it to the building MC and eyebrows are camping at, then went through a woodchipper so he would regenerate at the hand that is now in the building.
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so the reason nagai changed so much since the timeskip is because the mental clash he had with sato?
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>>135783808
fuck you
atleast spoiler that reply
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>>135783830
I'm starting to think that the shadowy stand thing has something to do with Egypt mummy because of the immortality and bandages.

There might even be a Egyptian subplot where the mastermind is hiding somewhere in Egypt who happened to be 200 years old

stardust crusader arc coming soon
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>>135783883
Nah. The spoilers just screwed up.
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>>135783607
Sato has a nice body
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>>135783844
Why didn't Sato change then?
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>>135784543
Infinite willpower
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Good chapter, I didn't expect this at all.

>>135783844
Would be really amazing if this turns out to be true and the MC becomes like a Sato 2.0 while still fighting for the good guys.
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Absolute madman.
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>>135783607
The absolute madman.
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>>135783607
>They said I could become anything. So I became KFC.
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RIP hat. I wonder if this will become Highlander with stands if it turns out they can consume each other.
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I was laughing so fucking hard when I saw the fried hand and realized what he was going to do. Even though I want the series to be great overall and not just have some shining points, Sato is carrying so much of the appeal, it's ridiculous. He never fails to disappoint.
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>>135783922
Good thinking, actually - they said the first Ajin was discovered on a battlefield *in Africa*. Could well be some sort of ancient genealogical curse.
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>>135783830
>I just don't remember them ever regenerating with those "bandages" like that
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>>135783607
Genius.
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>>135783607
How did he stop his hand form being regenerated?
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>>135789731
They dont regenerate until they die
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>>135789773
Oh, that's right.
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>>135788963
It's also that we don't frequently see them regenerating lost limbs/appendages - they've mostly been using bullets and tranquilizers in the series, so we just see the IBM trickling off the injury under a shirt or something.
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>>135783607
Dropped this shit after 5 chapters. It was painful to read. I bet this shit win manga award only because of art
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>>135789988
Nearby limbs also reattach themselves. There needs to be a distance for them to grow the body part again.

Must be nice to be an Ajin, selling your organs and getting dirty rich.
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>>135790397
You have to remember that it's excruciatingly painful to remove your own organs, plus you'd have to be very careful working on yourself or you'd fuck up the operation. If you tried to use hardcore painkillers, you'd have to keep re-applying them every time you died. Satou's the only Ajin we've seen who is able to withstand any pain at all really, he doesn't even seem to react to it anymore, so he's probably the only one who can sell his organs easily.
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How the fuck do you not notice a hand with the x-ray machine. Also, why did they even order food in the middle of a terrorist attack.
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>>135790526
Satou's probably psycho enough to have repeatedly put himself through enough agony to become numbed to most pain.
Reminder he just casually chopped off his own arm without his face twitching even once.
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>>135790397
Well, that's how Satou got the money to start his gang.
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>>135784089
yeah, he's actually pretty hot
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>>135790699
Was that supposed to be teleportation?
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>>135790562
They didn't - he ordered it to be delivered to the building, assuming that dumbasses would jump at the opportunity for free food after the scare of a lifetime and wouldn't question it. You probably wouldn't notice it if it was one of dozens of pieces of fried food in a baggie; you'd assume it was just a weirdly shaped piece. Even if you did notice, your first thought would not be "someone's trying to sneak a fried hand into Forge Security!"

The only people who knew that Satou wasn't there and wasn't captured were Kei, Tosaki and their team; so everyone relaxed somewhat, believing there was no longer any Ajin threat possible.

>>135790636
That's what I said
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>>135790699
Mr Spock only saw a guy getting grinded to mincers.
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>>135790800
>That's what I said
No it isn't
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>>135790790
Probably. The Crunchyroll translators are idiots, and they haven't released a chapter on schedule in months. It's always like 5 hours late, minimum.
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>>135790800
An entire hand has a pretty distinct bone structure and looks nothing like chicken, dude. It's also fucking huge.

>your first thought would not be "someone's trying to sneak a fried hand into Forge Security!"
Your first thought should be to take out the hand to check it out and throw the entire bag out because why the fuck is there a hand there.
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>>135790831
>he doesn't even seem to react to it anymore

>>135790822
What, that's not fascinating? Man breaks into a lumber mill, kills employee, demands other employee turns on the wood-chipper and hops in.
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>>135790397
>>135790526
talking about organs
What would happens if he regenerate from his organs thats already inside of another person?
>>135790790
Not realy the Satou on that pic "died"
and a perfect copy of him regenerate from his hand, that guy is psycho.
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Wait, since Sato's brain was completely destroyed in the grinder, isn't he supposed to "die" as Sato and start anew with a new personality?
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Whoever's writing this knows how to make good use out of a single ability.
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>>135790886
He could've de-boned the hand, we have no idea what he did or didn't do with it beyond send a bag of fried chicken with a fried hand in it to Forge Security.

Regardless - even if they did take the hand out, he'd still already be inside Forge Security when he teleported.
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>>135790895
>What would happens if he regenerate from his organs thats already inside of another person?
Interesting thought. Does it count as a part of him after he's already died and regenerated once from a different part of his body? Or would it continue to serve as a "back-up"?
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>>135790943
>>135790895
>Not realy the Satou on that pic "died"
>since Sato's brain was completely destroyed in the grinder, isn't he supposed to "die" as Sato
No, that's not how it works - it wasn't very well explained earlier. You become a new person if your body does not regenerate *the same* piece. That is why he was threatening to decapitate Kei - if you cut off someone's head, their brain (and "personality", etc) is in their head. If you hold it away and wait until a *new* head regenerates atop the body, that head will not be the original head. If you simply crush the head and wait for it to regenerate, nothing changes.
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>>135790943
No, not a new personality. It would be the same personality, just "someone" else. A copy was born, but the copy is not the original/predecessor.
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>>135791015
For the reasoning I made in >>135791045,
I think it's safe to say that it doesn't count as a living part of him because it's no longer attached or "involved" with his body. If it does, that's OP as fuck and they'll never be able to beat him.
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>>135791050
>>135791045
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>>135790968
Do you not know how x rays works. They'd stlll see the hand outline. He didn't even clench his fist. Hell, he could've cut his fingers to make it less obvious.

Regardless, letting food in nobody ordered is still dumb especially in the middle of a fucking terrorist attack.

This manga is dumb.
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>>135790890
Yeah, you implied something similar, but you didn't say that he tortured himself to get to that point.
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>>135791089
Don't they have to kill the ghost as well as the human at the same time?

Has that been attempted?
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>>135791142
Couldn't he have just sent in a single one of his thumbs?
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>Not castrating yourself for comedic value
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>>135791196
Maybe it would be too small? It is not like he was sure it would work.
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>>135791161
Didn't think I would have to.

>>135791180
>Don't they have to kill the ghost as well as the human at the same time?
In order to do what? Perma-kill an Ajin? Probably. It hasn't been tested because they've barely just verified the existence of the black ghost, can't force someone to summon the black ghost, and it's unlikely they would be able to find a means of restraining it long enough to kill it anyway as you can dismiss it at will if you have enough control.
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>>135791234
>Cut off dick, cauterize the wound
>Have it placed inside a dildo mold and hardened just enough to appear commercial
>Put on sale and wait until the buyer is using it
>At that exact time incinerate your entire body
>watch as someone gives birth to a fully grown adult man.
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>>135791142
This isn't the USA's TSA, this is a private security corporation in Japan - their first floor scanners likely aren't trained to recognize shit beyond explosive devices and weapons.
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>>135791349
But the TSA is filled with incompetent people.

>the guys they hired can't even recognize basic human anatomy
Well, guess you're right. No one in that building deserves to live for being basically brain dead.
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>>135791449
My point was that the TSA is trained to recognize more things than "dangerous" crap. I don't think you're being honest with yourself - if your job was to look through thousands of bags a day and someone brought in a bag of fried chicken, you probably wouldn't look at it for more than a second to see if there was anything other than shapes on the screen. Even lower chances if you lived in Japan where shenanigans are much less likely.
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>>135791619
>if your job was to look through thousands of bags a day and someone brought in a bag of fried chicken, you probably wouldn't look at it for more than a second to see if there was anything other than shapes on the screen. Even lower chances if you lived in Japan where shenanigans are much less likely.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the scenario presented in the manga. Maybe if he opened the attack with chicken hands, it'd make sense but right now they're in the middle of a terrorist attack. I'm pretty sure the Forge guys know they're dealing with Ajin too.
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>>135791045
Hate people with shit-tier reasoning like you. Unless you get every intact neuron back in its position again, molecules rearranging and forming a new identical "copy brain" does not mean you are the same person.

>tfw at the end of Avatar, the protagonist dies but audience is too dumb to realize.
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>>135791767
They're *not* in the middle of a terrorist attack. Hours have passed. The employees were told that *all* of the hostile Ajin were subdued.
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>>135791803
Are you retarded? That is literally what the characters say in the manga. You're the same person. Every intact neuron is back in its position again. Learn to fucking read. Your state of being *cannot change* after becoming an Ajin. Okuyama is still crippled in the exact same way, even after dying repeatedly. Your brain reverts to the exact same state it was before you died when you die as an Ajin. I'm not "reasoning", faggot, I'm "reading".
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>>135791805
The entire place is still locked down. Yes they are.
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>>135791893
This can only really by resolved by having an ajin's head cut off and then dangling it in front of the body as the new head grows in.

If after this happens, the new head has memories of watching his own head grow into place from the perspective of the dangling head (now deceased), then it's confirmed that ajin maintain a consistent identity across all lives

Otherwise, Ajin are simply having their consciousness severed and remade at a later point with a completely new identity that shares mosty of the old identity's traits.
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>>135791893
>That is literally what the characters say in the manga.
Where in the manga does it say stuff like " If you simply crush the head and wait for it to regenerate, nothing changes." or "You're the same person."? Or are you basing this on reverse logic?
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>>135783665
Only girl is that Ajin chick that works for Tosaki, new guy likes her and that's all
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>>135792030
So you disagree with an established premise of an internal system of a fictional work. So your problem is with the manga's philosophy of life, and not with my reasoning. Great. So fuck off.

>>135792007
Who's attacking them in the interim hours? Oh right, no one. So they're not being attacked, and they're not being terrorized.. I don't think there's a terrorist attack ongoing. Do you think the rest of 2001 was also part of the September 11th terrorist attacks? Are you really this far behind in logic lessons?
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>>135792228
>So you disagree with an established premise of an internal system of a fictional work

you haven't presented any facts, just talked about what it supposedly says. In reality you're drawing your own ideas and pretending they have a basis in reality.

Literally enjoy your fanfiction kid.
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>>135792284

>>135792260
>In reality you're drawing your own ideas and pretending they have a basis in reality
>kid
>>>/b/
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>>135792030
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>If the molecules forming your brain were split apart and an identical copy of it was made using different molecules, would you still retain your consciousness?
No.

>If the molecules forming your brain were split apart and an identical copy of it was made using the same molecules in their identical positions as before, would you still retain your consciousness?
Probably not.

>If the neurons forming your brain were split apart and an identical copy of it was made using the same neurons in the exact same position as before, would you still retain your consciousness?
Yes, but Ajin don't regenerate that way.
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>>135792433
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>>135783607
>>135783607
Goddamn. What a madman.

I kinda want the author to take this to the logical conclusion, and have Sato's body exploded or woodchippered again or something. And then have him regenerate from one of the organs he's sold. Sato exploding forth from another person's body would be insane.
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>>135792284
>>135792318
>>135792347
>>135792433
Not whoever it is you're talking to and I'm not sure on the EXACT subject you're discussing, but I just want to use the pages you posted to say that it's talking about the continuity of consciousness here, not that a new personality would form like someone else in this thread suggested.

I think some recent videogame had something like this. Can't recall what the name of it was, but humanity (what remained of it) was essentially converted into data and uploaded into bodies and the player had to transfer between bodies at least twice, with both the original and the copy continuing to persist at the same time.
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>>135792457
thank you, fucking lord
has /a/ been invaded by Philosophy minors? Like, I honestly can't imagine being that misinformed/mis-educated unless I attended half of one philosophy 101 course while blasted on hydromorphone and decided I understood reality
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>>135792519
Sadly, those parts were "discarded" long time ago, since once an Ajin regenerates from the larger part of his previous body the smaller parts seem to no longer being considered part of it.
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>>135792536
>I think some recent videogame had something like this. Can't recall what the name of it was, but humanity (what remained of it) was essentially converted into data and uploaded into bodies and the player had to transfer between bodies at least twice, with both the original and the copy continuing to persist at the same time.
Are you thinking of Gantz?

>it's talking about the continuity of consciousness here, not that a new personality would form
>>135792347
Not "distinctively" new, just new.
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Do Ajin stop aging at a certain point? Is old age the only way for them to die? It would explain why we haven't seen any prehistoric Ajin.
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>>135792284
>>135792318
>>135792347
I still don't see any "If you simply crush the head and wait for it to regenerate, nothing changes."part.

> Learn to fucking read. I'm not "reasoning", faggot, I'm "reading".
I translated and proofread those exact chapters. Believe me, I've read and re-read that shit in both languages.
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>>135792519
>an ajin sells organs to various hospitals
>creates respawn points and can burst out from any of them
brutal
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>>135792608
Ah, well.
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>>135792647
They continue to age. But when they eventually die of old age, they reset to the age of their first death.

We saw that with the girl Ajin's flashback.
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>>135792719
I completely missed this part.
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>>135792719
Wait, when was that brought up? Was it something her boss said?
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>>135792719
I don't remember that either
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>>135792648
>1+x=2
>x is unknowable because there is no statement made that resolves x's value
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>>135792838
Logic isn't maths, though.
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>>135792777
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>>135792828
I think it was around chapter 26 or 27. Maybe 27.5.

The old lady in the hospital that GlassesGuy visits is the girlAjin. We then see her die when her mom's boyfriend tries to rape her. And when she dies in the hospital, she resets into her young body.
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>>135792618
>Are you thinking of Gantz?
Nah, but actually, that manga also applies here.
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>>135793135
She wasn't old, she was sick. She'd been living on the streets with no money and it's hinted that she'd been selling her body. Resurrecting returned her to health.
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>>135793016
Math is directly derived from pure logic. I hate formalized advanced mathematics more than you can possibly dream, but it has its uses in representing points. We know our initial state (1) and we know the causal result of its modification (2). (+) is our modifier, and (x) is our modifying factor. Defining x, then, is a matter of knowing what makes the initial state into the result. x is knowable. Your train implies x is unknowable.
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>>135793315
Oooh. I'm dumb. I guess I assumed the way the artist hid her face, and the wrinkly arm, that she was just old.

My bad.
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>>135792536
>I think some recent videogame had something like this. Can't recall what the name of it was, but humanity (what remained of it) was essentially converted into data and uploaded into bodies and the player had to transfer between bodies at least twice, with both the original and the copy continuing to persist at the same time.


Soma?
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>>135791249
As long as it's the biggest piece, it should work, no?
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>>135791803
>Unless you get every intact neuron back in its position again, molecules rearranging and forming a new identical "copy brain" does not mean you are the same person.
So "you" die every time you get drunk or get a concussion.
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>>135783665
You mean gay romance, it's always there.
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>>135793880
That's the one
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>>135791142
Almost every series with a terrorist force involves crippling stupidity from the police and sdf. Just look at Bloody Monday's endless cycle of "Look at how many double agents we have"
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>>135783808
>Nah. He regenerated from a hand he chopped off and had sent to the building everyone is at after liquefying his entire body.
I remember anon predicting this way back in one of the threads. Spot-on
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>>135792116
Another female is the grandma who saved the MC, if he is into elderly woman.
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>>135793315
Why do you have to sell your body for money if you simply can't die?
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>>135792647
>prehistoric Ajin
I think becoming Ajin is just a recent phenomenon, otherwise Ajin should have overpopulated normal humans long ago and ruled the world by themselves.
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>>135796373
Don't think she knew that at the time anon.
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>>135796736
I think she already knew after dying the first time, that's the reason her stepfather tried to sell her.
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>>135796470
The novel The Boat of a Million Years kinda covers that premise: by revealing that you are an Ajin, you're opening yourself up to the possibility of being tortured or repeatedly killed or experimented upon. Historically, there may have been lots of Ajin that were simply never identified as such; were considered witches or demons or whatever. For all we know, ones in the past may have figured out ways to permanently die. Satou managed to figure out how to permakill himself in a relatively short period of time (~35 years at the most), it shouldn't be too surprising if others did too.
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>>135796829
No I mean I don't think she knew all the specifics of how her regeneration worked. Plus who would seriously consider killing themselves as a viable way to stave off prostitution? her first death was a pretty violent one and she isn't a madman like Satou, so her surviving the way she did makes sense for how I'd expect a normal human to respond to their situation.
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>>135797104
But she knew she had the regeneration ability, so at least trying to sell her blood was still an option.
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>>135796863
>Satou managed to figure out how to permakill himself
Did he? I remember he just figured out how to make it looks like an Ajin is killed, he basically forces them to create another copy of themselves, the Ajin is still there.

And if there have always been Ajin since distant past, it's more logical for them to form their own organizations, like the Illuminati in Angel and Demon, since humanity as a whole sees them as enemy anyway. With time, those organization should have been big enough to eventually overthrow humans' rule.
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>>135796373
Why didn't the first group of Ajin just become KFC instead of charging through the front door? She likely didn't think that there was any other option. She still didn't think like a person who could just respawn at any time she liked.

Besides, she most likely did not find it appealing to be constantly dying from starvation. And just like any person she needed money to get her life back on track.
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>>135798349
No no, it was a completely different part from that. He references in a chapter that I don't remember the fact that if there are two "lives" acting simultaneously in a video game and one dies, they will respawn at a later point. Destroying both the black ghost and the human body at the exact same time is assumed to be the means used to end both lives at once, and "end the game".
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>>135798349
how about splitting an ajin neatly in two? thats what was betting on in the lumbermill
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>>135798414
>Why didn't the first group of Ajin just become KFC instead of charging through the front door?
They didn't think of it, and Satou didn't offer any suggestions. He believed that it wouldn't even be *fun* for him to go shoot up the place; he didn't care what they did as long as they completed their mission.
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fuck this manga is so good. i said it before and i say it again, the absence of duo-author and retcon of Nagai character is the best damn thing ever happened for this manga. you wouldnt have this kind of thrill if it just your typical Kaneki 2.0 vs motherfuckin Sato. This is the battle between 2 psychopaths and fuck this good.
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>>135799034
I bet you will have two Ajins.
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>>135799175
Agreed, dear friend.

I can't wait to see the heights of where Kei's brain takes his next plan to stop Satou. Maybe the attack helicopter dream will come true.
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>>135799175
It's been said before but Nagai ain't really a psycho though. He definitely has teenager emotions and insecurities. But he also has a talent for dispassionate thinking and "doing whatever necessary". People blow what his asshole sister said out of proportion.
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>>135798995
Yeah, I remember now, why didn't they try to know whether it works or not?
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The best/worst things is that the movies will be in 3d, therefore it won't atract too many faggots that ruin the thread with memes

It will to an extent but you know what I mean
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>>135799555
They have only recently confirmed the existence of the black ghost. That being said, as Okura mentioned: an Ajin can only summon the ghost once or twice a day, tops. They can also instantly dismiss the ghost when need be, so it would prove extraordinarily difficult to accomplish without a 100% willing subject. They could just summon the ghost twice deliberately, and then be rendered physically incapable of bringing it out thereby preventing their captors from attempting to permanently kill them.
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>>135799628
i rather have ajin get proper adaptation from Madhouse even if its mean attracting all kind of faggottry blackhole (eg opm) rather than sit through 12 ep of abomination polygonal cgfest.
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>>135799175
The manga would be better if Nagai really was a psycho.
Even the Nagai from the start of the manga would be better than what we ended up getting.
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>>135794784
What?
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>>135803271
his total lack of empathy and multi-facade persona is more than enough for him to be psychopath. anon you dont need to be a deadpan edgy murderous bloodlusting killer to be considered one. Kei is a prime example of passive psychopath who just want to live a normal live without too much attention focused on him. i say he is pretty interesting character who right now has been constantly pushed from his comfort zone too many times and that leave him vulnerable to various emotion.
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