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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
When I grew up, I had a lot of fun ski racing with my friends. We pushed each other, and this made it easier to work hard.
Your efforts are never going to amount to anything.
Are there any other amusing people teaching japanes except namasensei? don't really care if you learn something or not just feel like watching something fun.
Not cool, mate. It's no good if you don't feel the motivation running through your spine and lifting your spirit.
Because he still had some spirit in him back then. It then left him together with the colour in his hair.
I don't understand this fetish. Do you self insert as the dog? Why would you want to be a dog? If you self insert as the girl then you're literally taking a dick and that's gay bro.
Can someone tell me what the fuck does "リスナー：先生” mean here.
It's best when they're princesses.
I've been on a break (read: given up) for the last month or so.
Is the predominant doctrine here still:
>read and mine for the next few years until you git gud
Or is there a new trend now? The reason I gave up for a while is that I found myself hopeless and floundering after finishing Core2k, which made me extremely discouraged. Kinda felt like all the work I put into Core2k was for nothing in the end.
Wanikani sent shills around New Years to promote the site for all that New Years Resolution money. Now we have shills and people who are pretending to like it to make everyone else angry.
>Anki/Core are switching to a paid model.
It is open source, it won't happen.
Why are knights always feeling deja vu?
Because they have 騎士感
>posting tits to distract people
This is getting sad. That particular site's program has been ripped and ironically functions better on Anki, which is free and open source with forks ready if the devs attempt to put up a paywall for using their servers for account syncing.
WK program made in superior and FREE Anki deck:
No. To paraphrase Godking Steve, you can get a long way in a language closely related to English in 3 months if you study hard, but you're not going to get fluent in any language in such a short time.
My tutor recommended the song 夏祭り to listen to since I asked him what songs are popular and accessible.
Now I ask the same question to you, /djt/. What Japanese songs are relatively simple to pick up, catchy enough to get stuck in my head, and good for a beginner to listen to for meaning?
Got me anon.
I like this one, but if I told my tutor about it, would it blow the lid off my power level?
Why would you tell him about it? I guess go for more normies songs.
Don't know how easy these are to listen to though, they get stuck in my hea
>Why would you tell him about it?
Well, I'd listen to the song, piece together what I could of the meaning, and ask him for clarification about the rest.
Either way, thanks a lot for the songs.
"ところがどっこい、「ナンのないインド料理屋がある」というではないか。しかも「ちょっと高級店で味も他とは違う」らしい。ナンがない高級インド料理店だと……？ しかも他とは味も違うだって……？ 確かめるしかないぜ！ というわけで、東京は東銀座の『ダルマサーガラ』に行ってみたのでご紹介したい！"
On the contrary, "A resturant without naan exists" cant exist right? Moreover it seems to be, " where the the flavor is different from high class restaurants".
A resturant where there is no naan?? Morever the flavor is different? I've got to check this out! With that said let me introduce you to Ginza of Tokyo's "Darumasa Gara".
Im confused. It seems he switches from a question to a remark unnaturally in the first two questions.
Also, it's especially apparent that it's retorical here as it's ungrammatical for the copula to follow a verb like that. It only ever does when it's used retorically like this.
Show me how you study your kanji based anons.
I use Anki with full set of Jouyou kanji and add stuff from kanjidamage and tangorin because teh deck has none of those. I expect to finish it by the end of the year at the latest.
Didn't write shit in ages, all I do now is read and watch anime.
Do anki instead
I think it's funny. There's literally a perfect program available, and yet there's still discussion about all the plain inferior programs. It's funny that even when a clearly and objectively superior program exists, people will still muddle about in inferiority for individual reasons. I wonder what drives that.
There's nothing wrong with taking 2 years to learn 2000 kanji.
i've been using it for 1.5 years now. i'm on level 29 of 60 (~800 kanji and 2000+ vocab?). i did not do anything else to study Japanese during that time and have recently started studying grammar (a dictionary of basic japanese grammar, genki and tae kim's guide). being able to read the kanji makes unfamiliar text muc hless intimdating.
i recently started using lang-8 and found thtat i can have basic conversations with non-native speakers.
i like wanikani becaause i'm not very disciplined. if i had to learn the vocab or kanji on my own via something like rtk, i would get tired one day or tell myself that i really did understand the kanji i was learning and move on.
with wanikani, i don't have to think about learning and the system punishes you for not logging in daily( not a problem on lower levels but a serious problem on higher levels). reviews accumulate even if you don't log in. if you go waway for a week, you'll come back with 500 or 1000 reviews-- then there goes your whole saturday or even weekend.
i mentioned that i've been on wanikani for for 1.5 years but am less than half way through the material. i've got a full time job and am also learning french at the moment for work. if you are a university student taking japanese, have lots of freetime, or are livign in japan , you will likely find that it is much faster to move through the revies.
i paid full price for lifetime which is expensive ($250?) but worth it for my purposes. if you can a discount, it is an even better value but why not try the first few levels and see if it is for you.
keep in mind, it starts off slow and requires you to start from nothing. you can't jump to level 5 if you already know the most frequent 100 kanji.
ganbatte. good luck!
Fuck me, I've somehow failed this shit at least 7 times in a row, even though I made sure to enter it exactly as I saw it.
It's your lucky day, Imouto.
Do you keep up with Anki? If so, you may want to add the DOJG deck to your anki and only do cards containing grammar you've covered in TK. That way, even if you quit TK (which you shouldn't do), you'll retain what you already learned much better.
>all them results
Jesus, how embarrassing
>しなきゃ is short for しないと
I hope this starter pack doesn't contain more subtle bullshit
In all honesty, we mainly dislike you because you're a bit of dick, not because of the image.
You know, the guy who always spoils the party.
I'm not gonna take any of your criticism seriously because I've been posting with both of those images pretty consistently for eight months and no one said a single word of complaint until the guy pointed it out yesterday.
I dunno, I think that's just taking me out of context a little bit, to quote Cor-Kun's final post (or one of them) "we're all a faggot inside". Naturally when people are obnoxious about image use I'm gonna troll a little back, I mean how else do you react to people taking 4chan so seriously? If you look through the post history of both of those images I think there's generally an amicable tone.
Anyway, I'm gonna stop replying to people pointing out the images thing, it'll encourage'm to derail the thread and just makes me look bad. またあした～
Do you have a link to that quote? I is kind of funny because I don't think there has been anyone else who took djt as seriously has CoR-Kun and it resulted in something rather brilliant.
No, Archive is dead, but I was the one he said it to so I remembele it well. For any old-fags, the scenario was that whenever someone said "I'm about N3" level or somesuch, someone would start pestering them "where's your certificate? show your certificate?" and it got really annoying, and eventually it came to light that the certificate-spammer guy was none other than CoR-Kun himself, and I said "wow, cor-kun is a faggot...?" and he said said quote, or something to the effect.
It's meaningful I think because it's easy for anyone here to be a faggot and make stupid shitty posts, or mean posts, etc etc, while still being ultimately a good person or whatever sappy junk like that.
feel / feeling / feelings
a small gift
Is the glass half empty or half full?
We have a different memory as what I recall at the time was rampant anti-jlpt shitposting and CoR-Kun was one of the few posters to take the people to task. Reason for remembering is because I got involved in one of the arguements, which also involved massive strawmen which involved language classes and speaking/production. Gave up because it was clear the anons didn't care about being reasonable and were instead pushing the currently accepted "DJT Approved Only Way To Learn Japanese". I've seen it change over time.
Looks like he was being nice and calling you a faggot indirectly.
I agree with your interpretation of the events retrospectively, but at the time it was just annoying because he'd derail actual discussions.
>Looks like he was being nice and calling you a faggot indirectly.
Definitely not, that's a pretty dumb interpretation and you know it too.
I hope these lessons don't contain more subtle bullshit
Fuck. Every time I start trying to read yotsuba I get through a line or two and want to stop because looking up words is so tiring and sucks the fun out of it. It's taken me like a week to get to page 54.
Stop reading altogether, learn more vocab/kanji, then go back to reading
/djt/ makes it sound like you must read no matter what, when really, you can put it off for a bit if it's so painful you can't even enjoy it. Remember, the most efficient way to learn is to have fun
>Remember, the most efficient way to learn is to have fun
I looked at the sentences and noticed there isn't one for every page so I just stopped using it. Sometimes if I'm really stumped I'll open the file and hope that the sentence I didn't understand was explained.
I'm taking a break from vocab and doing radicals while I build a deck from words I saw in yotsuba, this thread and various places, and in anime because I failed core hard and need a different approach. Seems reading is the only way I can learn and I can hardly do that.
> it's not in the respective Yotsuba deck.
I don't really understand why you have these odd ideas. Japanese sentence structure is extremely flexible. I guess if you're doing basic grammar like ように it's to be expected that your knowledge is lacking, but why is your instinct to assume that a native speaker is wrong instead of that you must be missing something?
You're a fucking beginner doing Genki-tier basic grammar, you don't know shit about Japanese and you should just shut up and absorb what's in front of you instead of trying to question it like a retard. No more replies, whether or not you learn Japanese is up to you.
Does this sentence make sense to anyone?
The numbers are about more than half this side/ours but the bows, pulled to the verge of being fired, are not yet released.
I feel like it would flow if it was 少ない instead of 多い. But it's 多い. Why the だが then? I just can't get a feel for it.
I am Japanese
most japanese cannnot distinguish the pronouciation between grass and glass
Does きゃく somehow translate to dance? There's an ability in Dragon Quest called みかわしきゃく which is Dodgy Dance in the English versions of Dragon Quest. みかわし is clearly dodge (Well kinda. Every dictionary I've read, including J>J says "exchange glance" basically, but it's pretty obvious that it's evade/evasion), but きゃく... I have no idea, I haven't been able to link it with dance for the life of me, and no meaning of きゃく I've seen makes any sense in this context.
Do you go to any other djt themed threads on other chans? I l've come across three djt clones on 8ch and one on wizardchan. There is that reddit board using the op stuff but that is more like general forum than a chan. How come /int/ doesn't use the op links for that Japanese thread?
/int/ doesn't because they know /djt/'s guide is shit. A bunch of Internet autists think they know better than the entire academic community of Japanese language instructors? Don't make me laugh.
The guide basically just lists to anki + pirated copies of other materials, what's so bad about it?
Also, I can guarantee that no one here has read any scholastic literature on the art of translation (myself included, but I got a copy of some book for free that I haven't read yet).
>go to /int/
>notice that a lot of the foreigner's Japanese is awkward or wrong
So this is the power of anime...
I won't comment though in case I get BTFO'd or am wrong. I will be content to feel superior afar
The education system is ruined in regards to language learning by education politics and being held to an inflexible structure that doesn't really fit language learning. Even if every relevant member of the faculty and the teachers know what SHOULD be done when you want to learn a language, that's not what they're going to teach you in class. At best, they'll advise students to do these things on top of their course work.
Firstly, there's a question of measuring progress AT LEAST once per semester, and using uniform measures for every single person in the classroom. If you're letting the students do as they please and read and listen to whatever they find compelling, just so long as they put in the time, how do you develop a uniform measure? Do you treat it like a study hall, where the student just reads and listens to whatever they like and approaches the teacher with any questions they might have, and are graded by attendance alone? If so, how do you count this towards any kind of degree? Or do you maybe have them take a more generalized test for all levels, and compare how far along they are with how far along they should be, given the time? If so, how do you determine a fair level?
Second, in regards to the current system where they railroad the learner every step of the way, there's incentive to move at such a slow pace that the courses leave off at an intermediate level. If students drop or fail the class because it's too hard, that looks bad on the teacher. If it happens school-wide, that looks bad on the school. So, the first two years are designed for the dumbest, least motivated, most easily intimidated, all around worthless little shits that you could imagine.
In the current education environment, studying on your own is undoubtedly the best path.
On /a/, on an alternative /a/ - /acute/ or something, and on a small jp/int type board. Could have died out by now. Asking because I found one out of boredom looking around on other chans and saw that an anon involved in the djt op make a post in the wizard clone of this thread and wondered if anons here made these threads on other known chans or if they were made by outsider anons after seeing this thread.
Image boards are fun to explore and see what comes out of 4chan or what might have come into 4chan. It is a bit like exploring streets in old foreign cities. Bit OT though.
>Unironically learning Japanese from Koreans
holy shit this fucking pissed me off
Rough, fast just to get the idea across, made a couple small errors out of laziness:
「It's a signal from Dekinai.」
The operated reported so in a quite whisper.
DJT had sunk into silence, so Anonymous urged the operator on, his throat low and dry.
「Decoding... It's impossible to learn Japanese, so give up. Submit, and I'll promise to treat you leniently.」
After the message was decoded, numerous silent eyes gathered on DJT's large body. The decision was entirely up to him.
「Give up, you say...」
DJT face darkened.
「No, even if I'm powerless, I won't become a coward.」
20 seconds later, a bright white light enveloped him.
(DJT = https://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Moore)
(Anonymous = https://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Jean_Robert_Lapp)
(This is the opening scene where these two of course are killed, really early in the novel, it pisses me off because it Lapp was a fucking smart awesome dude and his fucking superior led to his death by being an obdurate shithead, anyway I thought it'd be funny to turn into a DJT thing. Though now that I re-look at it, it makes him seem like a hero in a way.)
Y'know fuck reddit. They act all high and mighty and superior yet they fall prey to the stupidest schemes designed to ensnare single digit IQ morons. They think they're so much better than everyone yet they spend years with their shitty grammar books.
The funny thing is, even though they linked our CoR, 99% of them aren't ever going to use it because they'll just quit at beginner level.
While this thread is full of autistic unlikeable NEETs at least we know how to set our mind to achieving a goal and STUDYING SMART.
Guys, a hand with this blurry kanjis? they are driving me nuts
I don't really know a lot about reddit or their Japanese board/subforum aside from the guide which was linked a thread or two ago, containing things from this thread. What caught my interest mainly was seeing that present in conjunction with someone claiming to have been part of making the op stuff, posting on another chan. It got me thinking, are these anons or anon who were part of making this thread also involved with making other djt clones, like seed germination on a cyber hillside spreading the genes throughout the valley.
Kind of poetic in a way don't you think? This thread acting a bit like the tree in the middle of a forest. Or a grove, maybe a thicket; something small and covered in thorns.
I've read somewhere around 40-50 volumes of manga, dropped FH, read through 1 LN and am almost done with the 2nd volume. Also I tried to read Bakemonogatari for shit and giggles and to actually gauge how hard it actually is and stopped at the 100 page mark because it was torture.
I've never skipped a day of Anki despite no matter how exhausted I was or how late it was so I can be absolutely sure that I am always making progress.
I never act arrogant or pompous. When people correct me I accept that I was wrong and don't throw a tantrum like some idiots do. Here's a fun anecdote: When I was a beginner who hadn't even started Core, I posted this really fucking shitty translation of a Non Non Biyori fanart. I will never forget the shit I received for doing that.
I never gave advice when I was in the beginner stage. This is something I know for a fact that reddit users do which is extremely fucking retarded. Of course now I do answer people when they ask questions in this thread but only when I'm absolutely sure it's correct.
Now, I know I still have a long way to go before I can finally read novels without using a dictionary. But I am 100% sure that I will reach that point because of the discipline and habits that I have cultivated over my time learning Japanese and enjoy it too (besides the anki grinding at least).
I know for one that the guy who converted the 青空文庫 files went to 8ch last year because he got really mad at the RTK shitposting. I think he does visit time to time though.
Yeah and I do think it would be pretty cool if more and more people started using our guide. I've considered linking it to help people in threads in other forums I go to where people learn Japanese but in the end I always pussied out because it might attract unwanted attention here.
>went to 8ch last year because he got really mad at the RTK shitposting
I thought he said he was leaving because he thought Hiro was going to ruin 4chan and didn't want to be here for it? Or am I remembering incorrectly?
It's the New Years. It'll settle down after a month or two when most of the NYRs have given up. Of course, it'll go to shit again when summer starts, but that's unfortunately just the way it is.
Only noticed the post in reference to this thread on wizardchan. Did anons here start up that thread as well or was it started by anons aware of this thread in a similar way to how those posters on reddit were aware of this thread? Assuming that has no official relation to djt.
Which came first, djt or the Japanese thread on /int/?
>I think the NYRfags are doing quite well actually.
Oh no, I wasn't implying the NYRfags were bad, they don't seem to be asking as many stupid questions this time, I'm just saying that most of the shitposting is coming from it being New Years and people are shitposting more than usual to mislead beginners.
Wish the archives didn't die, twice, so I could just look it up. The wizard anon said something about making some of the op stuff for this thread; is the anon or anons who made this thread still around?
I've got a bit of an urge to pester the anons linked in the op via email bit it seems a bit weird to step outside of anonymity to ask about the history of an anonymous cyclic thread. Probably just go and bug the /int/ thread about it- done reps for the day and digging through the thread history feels like learning something from the ground up, like Japanese was when learning the kana. Want to find the people who made djt, djt and ask them how it has shaped their learning.
Fuck, that's so lame. Thanks for persisting with my questions, anon.
between chinese and japanese which one is more needed nowadays and can offer more possibilities for getting a job say in US, also i wonder which one is the best for internet consuming throughout asian segment
>for getting a job in US
Both will give you close to 0.
If you have any actually useful skills besides the language they both may land you a job in their country, but who the fuck would want to move to China?
>sounds like sandpaper grinding on your eardrums
>pain in the ass to pronounce
>simplified hanzi look like ass
>absolutely 0 interesting media written in the modern version of the language
If you want to learn a terrible language just because it's used in a big ass shitty country learn Russian, at least you can read some classic literature in it and sound smart.
>using anki deck for kanji production practice
I'm managing by writing the kanji 6-7 times for the first appearance on a larger piece of paper, then using a smaller piece of paper to write it once for subsequent appearances, which I scribble out after seeing the back of the card so that I have to continue going off of memory, but a drawing tablet would be really handy here. I'd imagine that there are probably no shortage of good handwriting help programs available for it, too.
>I'd imagine that there are probably no shortage of good handwriting help programs available for it, too.
I honestly never saw one for PC. There's a bunch for DS and 3DS, though.
I thought WK shill complaint on /qa/ was a joke.
Please do NOT fall for their advertisement.
What a coincidence, I just finished putting CFW on mine, currently downloading
I bought the kindle version of Genji Monogatari because it was on sale for 100 yen.
I consider myself fluent and still don't get like 50% of the stuff in this book, this shit is actually difficult unlike the chuunige you autists are so proud of flaunting in these threads, I recommend it to people who think they know the language.
It's a (somewhat) modern Japanese translation but it's radically different both in terms of vocabulary and sentence structure from most current literature so I'd say it might as well be kobun that doesn't require you to recall all the annoying kobun verb tenses (although they still appear semi frequently in sentences that were kept the same as in the original for artistic purposes)
Yes friend, that's the annoying time when the Japanese wasn't modern yet, but sure wasn't the typical kobun that most people study, the one from Heian.
I've read some Akutagawa,Miyazawa and other authors from that time and it can be tough.
>hard because it's basically a language different from the one that we're learning, not because it's hard Japanese
Sounds like a great way to test your Japanese skills.
A hundred years is a fairly significant length of time in terms of language evolution. English from 100 years ago is very easy for a native speaker to understand, but there's no doubt that popular terms, word ordering, and pieces of the "music" have changed.
Furthermore, from what you're saying, it sounds like the modernizer tried to half-keep the writing style.
In both cases, a large part of the challenge is originating from the fact that the writing is old. Old language isn't really a great proving ground for your skills with modern Japanese.
It depends on a number of factors.
How well do you know the old cards?
How familiar are you with the kanji on the new cards, and are you being thrown off by odd readings and/or definitions?
In the best cases, you'll find yourself sitting there just hitting "enter, 3" again and again and again, except with your new cards, for which you'll hit "2".
>making exceptions when it comes your sleep schedule
Enjoy sleep deprivation.
Just put your grasses on, nothing will be wong.
>doing more than 30 cards a day
>doing more than a 100 reps a day
literally wasting your time, the human brain can't process and retain that much visual and auditive information.
Depends. I don't think I've seen someone post anki stats of doing 100 new words a day that wasn't just an RTKfag or someone who had already read a ton blowing through Core, but seeing as how I can handle 60 new a day fine, I'm sure I could handle 100 retention-wise, I just don't want to deal with the reviews that doing 100 a day would result in because there are some days every few weeks or so that I wouldn't really have the time, energy, or mental stamina/focus to do 1000 reviews + new cards. Plus if my schedule gets screwed up and I have to do a double review day that's around 2000 reviews and fuck that.
While I don't doubt some few people can manage it effectively, odds are about 99% that whatever time you think you're saving is only going to come back twofold later on due to it requiring way more reps to properly memorize the things you're rushing through now.
For most people establishing a strong base by going slower and building on top of that is more efficient than trying to cut as many corners as possible in order to save time.
>the human brain can't process and retain that much visual and auditive information
Speak for yourself mate. Don't impose your shitty limits on others.
I got rosetta stone as a gift and I actually like it. It's listening/grammar/reading/speaking practice all rolled up into one. But It's quite pricy so I wouldn't recommend it.
thanks ok mate i cant say ryo as like one syllable either
Ma daily kanji post. Bit later than usual!
四字熟語 of the day: 自給自足 「じきゅうじそく」To be self sufficient.
>watched anime for five years
>bigger vocab base than avg anon
how can i start self-learning Jap starts from grammar conjugations etc
instead of pleb MinnanoNihonGo's basic greetings
A sign in toilet: 便座に座ってご使用ください。 has translation underneath "Please sit as shown".
ご使用 baffles me. Jisho says 使用 is use and 誤使用(ご使用) is misuse, but I don't see it working with kudasai afterwards. Anyone care to explain?
It's telling people they should sit down when using the toilet because some nip hicks are used to shitting while standing over a hole on the floor so they'll actually try to shit while standing over the toilet.
And for idiots: Just kink your feet up.
Like it or not, our ancestors and including yours has always been shitting on squat position, our gene hasn't changed that foam even after 30000 years.
When you sit on toilet bowl like a chair, you require more force to shit than squats, since the stomach and intestines don't line up when you are sitting.
>Not going fetal position on the toilet
>Not doubling your efficiency by having a good cry while taking a shit
Enjoy wasting your time while I'm in Japan kissing bitches.
Wonder how many times we'll see people who are dumb enough to believe this is real over the next few weeks?
Sometimes I wonder if people in this thread actually learn something or just meme around all day.
You definitely don't need decks to learn the kana, that's for sure. So sure, go for it, although remember that associations work better if you come up with them yourself instead of following someone else's.
Once you have a rough idea about them just do http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/katakana-timer.html occasionally until you can get them right comfortably.
>tfw japs don't want you to use their keyboards outside of Japan
I'd much rather take a cute 3d girl than some 2d bitch who bleeds all over the place.
>guy exclaims his lack of interest for 2D
And he's just one example among many. When did it become okay to have daily /r9k/ tier conversations about 3DPD on /a/?
Hey /djt/, guess what came in the mail today!
The card is not part of it, just for blocking off my address
For anyone starting out who has difficulty, here's a fun way to practice I've recently figured.
Think of a b