Are Boku No Hero Academia and Nanatsu No Taizai the best new

>>135746267
>liking a manga with powerlevels and where no one dies even if you kill them

>>135746339
Like most shounen.

>>135746339

It's my opinion and I respect your opinion.

>>135746267
probably, which is sad considering that NnT's anime already turned into QUALITY.

honestly, I like them both more than post-timeskip OP, before I even begin to factor in the fanbases.

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Magi is better than both.

>>135747250
Magi is genuinely garbage and can't even keep up with Big 3, but nice try.

>>135747320
Magi is objectively the best shounen after FMA and is better than that power level shit manga or that genric piece of shit hero manga.

Also don't know what you on about faggot since I'm sure it's selling more than bleach.

>>135747320
>Big 3.
>good.

>>135747930

BnHA is not generic.

>>135746267
>And can we all agree
>we
No. Speak for yourself, faggot.

>>135747930

Honestly, Taizai/Academia > Magi and FMA.

Stay mad, my opinion won't change :)

>>135747930
As much as I like Magi you don't need to be an absolute asswipe, Hero academia isn't bad it's just a matter of taste and audience it aims for.

The manga is almost always better than the anime. Not always, but nearly so.

The weird out of the blue introduction of power levels into Nanatsu no Taizai makes me scratch my head since there was never a really consistent demonstration of power from anyone in the series nor do I really see what is gained from it.

Kongo Banchou never really got into that and it was a great read. I thought NNT's anime was pretty alright myself. My brain refusing to accept what the official colors are for characters' clothing/eyes/hair/etc always bugs me but I streamed the whole thing on Netflix and enjoyed it.

As for My Hero Academia- it lives and dies by its cast because in a rare accomplishment like 99% of the (fairly large) main cast are memorable and incredibly likable, and yet in spite of this it has a MC good enough that he still wins the popularity votes in Nip land.

I got no idea how the anime is gonna work out because due to Horikoshi's weird fucking pacing it seems like they'd really have to work to get to a good stopping point. Ending on Stain would be the best but even a 2-cour may not be enough to get there. If we're gonna get more seasons it has to have a really strong hook and stopping at say the end of the Sports Festival doesn't cut it.

>>135748246

24 episodes, every episode adapts 3 chapters? Stain covered.

>>135747250

I literally had forgotten Magi existed which pretty much says it all.

>>135747930
One Piece is literally better than Magi in every way.

>>135748031
That's probably the point. They are 5/10 at best, so being worse than them makes magi garbage.

>>135746339
>Twigo is dead
>Dawn Roar is dead
>Zhivago is deader than dead
>Anna is dead
>Zaratras is dead
>Dale is dead
>Gelda is dead

Yeah sure, anon.

>>135748539
Even fodder stayed alive in Kongou Banchou, but NnT has droves of dead mooks too.

>>135748391
>One Piece is literally better than Magi in every way.
lel

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>>135748391
>Oneshit
>Better than anything

Nah its easily the worst out of the trashy big 3 and really bad manga in general.

Nanatsu no Taizai
Boku no Hero Academia
Black Clover

are decent.

>>135749034

Remove Clover and throw it away.

>>135749061
>he doesn't like Black Clover

>>135749061

Clover is a good drinking game for cliches.

>>135748921

One Piece loses me after the timeskip; like 90% of shounen with timeskips.

>>135746395
yes, they are like most shonen
they're average
ok maybe just a bit above average
but definitely not best ongoing shonen

>>135748921
>liking Magi
>putting naruto and bleach above one piece

how much of a shithead can you be? tell me more about your tastes

>>135749261
And what would be the best ongoing shonen?

>>135749342
one piece
hunter x hunter inb4 ongoing
jojo's bizarre adventure
and so many more I forget

but mainly OPM

>>135749471
JoJo's is awesome not isn't it technically ally seinen, consequently I need to see how the garou arc pans out in opm

>>135749471
All shit. Especially jojo.

>>135749471
Both JoJo and OPM are seinen.

>>135746267
>Nanatsu No Taizai
that's not magi

>>135746267
Nice leddit-tier thread desu senpai

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>>135748872
>lel
Geez

>>135748921
And still better than Magi. Let that sink in. Pic unrelated.

>>135749558
>manga where MC gets to fight stronger and stronger foes with his new nakama
>seinen

I bet you still think seinen/shonen and shit didn't become genres with time

Sengoku Youko doesn't get any love in this /a/

>best new battle shonen list
>no Birdmen

read it people! it's fantastic

>>135749725
Not only is that definition completely retarded, OPM and JoJo still aren't shonen through it.

>>135749725
This is bait, right?

>>135749725
More like its seinen because its published in a seinen magazine. Content has nothing to do with it. And that description you made can be applied to some seinen series.

Is the manga of Nanatsu no taisai better than the garbage anime?

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>>135746267
I thought we like this too

>>135749939

Yes

>>135749939

The anime kinda goes QUALITY a ways in. The manga is consistently pretty good.

Boku no Hero Academia and One Piece are the best ongoing shounen mangas.

I cannot really imagine the anime of BNHA being better than the manga. I am 100% that the animation isn't going to be consistent and Horikoshi art style is just awesome...

>>135749989

>meme manga

>>135749725
>being this new

>>135749853
this, it's good

>>135749989
it's ok, but the art is really really bad and can't be counted as just a unique "style". It's genuinely inconsistent and pretty fucked up.

>>135750066

>mangas

>>135749725
Sorry but your retarded definition doesn't fit to Aria or Yotsubato either

>>135749853
Blame slow scanlations
>>135750071
What a fucking cancer

>>135750225
moeshit ain't shonen
it's moeshit

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>>135750066
>mangas

>>135749989
Its ok so far. I find myself being uninterested in most of the cast besides Helck and Vamiro.

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>>135749750
I enjoy it. Especially now that the two MCs are finally fighting each other. People rarely talk about it though.

>>135749853
Birdmen is weird.

>>135747930
>power level shit
NNT didn't even introduce powerlevels till half of the series, and it's actually handling it well.

I read Fairy Tail for asses and tits.

One Piece is the best shonen but contrarians will tell it is not.

HxH would be up there but it has become more a seinen (JoJo too) than a shonen, also hiatus x hiatus.

Everything else is pretty much shit, including Nanatsu.

>>135750564
Boku no Hero Academia is good

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Pic related is when I stopped reading Nanatsu

>>135750277
>moeshit
0/10
Mods, do your job for shitting on Yotsuba and Aria
Also, both are published in shounen magazines

>>135749989
thanks for the rec

>>135750564

Shit taste

>>135750698
>mangapanda
Your opinion is worthless

>>135750698

You may be an autist.

>>135746267
>Nanatsu No Taizai

Mediocre and generic as fuck.

>>135750836

Like Wan Piss then.

>>135750802
>thinking I have Memetsu no Meme chapters in my hard drive
>thinking I won't go look for trash in a trashcan

You're worthless

>>135750564
>HxH would be up there but it has become more a seinen (JoJo too) than shonen
>Shonen/Seinen is determined by the content of the series

Where the fuck are you newfags coming from? What determines whether a manga is shonen or a seinen is just the fucking demographic targeted magazine the series is serialized in. Just call them battle manga as there are existing seinen series that fit this description.

>>135750836

Anime only fag spotted, disgusting.

>>135750886

And you are an autist. I bet you like wan piss and one meme man.

>>135750886
>uses meme as derogatory term and shitposts
You are even less the worthless, you are cancer of this site

>>135750864

OP is a cut above average to crap shit like NnT, but there's a reason why I haven't read it in months.

>>135750923

I was reading the manga before the anime aired, faggot. It has absolutely nothing going for it. It appeals to the lowest common denominator by hitting the familiar spots.

Nanatsu is shit tier. Only good thing is Ban.
HeroAca I've never read and have no intention to. Should I?

>>135751027

Do you know what Escanor even looks like?

>>135751154

No you shouldn't, your shit taste might poison our threads.

>>135747250
My question is, before I read it, is there any positive reflection of Islam?

>>135751154
You're missing out big time. It's a series that's best read weekly.

>>135750864
>Comparing Nanatsu no Taizai with One Piece
...

>>135746267

NnT >= BnHA >> OP >>> FT > Bleach >>>> herpes >>>> BC

>>135751229

Second half of the mangO is much better than the first one thanks to Lord Escanor's presence, but maybe you simply like deeper things like Berserk.

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>>135751321

Good taste.

One Piece is way better than Nanatsu no Taizai... Saying that NnT is better than One Piece It's like saying that Luffy is stronger than Saitama...

>>135751528


Wan Piss is the same shit every time and now, with furry.

And many people think that Luffy would beat Saitama because Luffy is made of rubber. That shows how shitty the fanbase is.

>Deku blowing up his pants through sheer hotblood vs. inspired Todoroki
>Escanor sunposting on the entire vampire clan while thinkgen of poetry
I haven't read a currently running shonen that are more exciting than these two at the moment.

>>135751321
This.

>>135751637

G-g-gear 4

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>And many people think that Luffy would beat Saitama because Luffy is made of rubber.
I am sure that a true One Piece fan would never say something like that.

Why do you think Nanatsu is better than One Piece?!

>>135751763

Because timeskip happened and now I don't feel it anymore. And the crew has been separated over 3 years (?)

>>135751834
The timeskip happened almost 6 years ago. The crew had been separated for 2 1/2 years, from March 2013 until November 2015.

>>135751834
You didn't answer my question...
Why do you think Nanatsu is better than One Piece?!

>>135751763
The fights in One Piece are terrible. They used to be great, but holy shit did Oda lose it.

Dressrosa was one of the best arcs with one of the best villains in the manga.

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>>135751956

Because I lost my interest towards One Piece. And when something gets hype in Taizai, Nakaba ALWAYS delivers.

>>135746267
BnHA is quite good.
I read NnT to a point and then it just went full retard for a bit. Haven't read it since then not sure what it's like now.

>>135751321
OP > NNT > BnHA > Bleach > BC = FT

>thread about new battle shonen
>OP spamming

damn it, give me something new & interesting to read, I'm already reading Magi, NnT, BnHA, Birdmen, Sengoku Youko, Helck etc....

>>135747930
>Magi is objectively the best shounen after FMA
Basically none of these series can even touch FMA besides possibly BnHA. FMA is one complete and solid story. There are no arcs and it doesn't just have the MC beat big bad A only for him to be replaced by big bad B and on and on with side stories that ultimately have no significant impact on the main plot.

>>135752079
Wait until Toriko, Gintama, AssClass and Nisekoi end this year. WSJ has to bring back old authors to fill this huge gap.
I hope Tamura Ryuuhei returns with his dragon brothers story.

>>135751968
Doflamingo vs Law and gladiators vs Donquixote family were good fights in my opinion

>>135748303
You can't have a set rule for chapters->episodes. Take OPM for example. There are whole chapters that are just one thing happening and when animated take 10-15 seconds. Then there are whole chapters filled with dialogue that can take many minutes. It's a lot more complicated than that.

>>135752059

At what chapter did you stop?

>>135746267
Naa, NnT went to shit with powerlevels and even before that was pretty mediocre.
BnHA is alright, but nothing special

>>135747250
Magi turned to shit and is complete garbage

>>135752248
It was right after they beat the first big demon retard where meliodas gets his weapon and it's just all powerlevel shit. Gowther did something at the end I don't remember.

If Horikoshi continue like this, BnHA can be one of the best manga ever, the history of the manga is destined to become more serious.
All Might death will surely be the one of the best arcs ever in the manga

>>135752282

But the powerlevels are done well.

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>>135752079
you could try Shinobi no Ban or Sora no Kain, unfortunately both are being scanlated by Jaimini box group & they don't give a fuck about anything that isn't called Black Clover, so you gonna wait a lot for updates

If only all powerlevels were like nen...

>>135752356
Powerlevels done well is OPM or Kubera

>>135752422
>powerlevel
>in OPM

It's a gag manga. Why would powerlevel matter in that shit?

Is black clover getting good?! I stopped reading at chapter 30

>>135752190
after Black Clover, Best Blue, Buddy Strike, Autism Shogi& Samon the Summoner? forgive me, Jump doesn't have my trust anymore

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>>135752340

You should continue, the best parts are with the 10 commandments and Escanor.

>>135752356
They aren't at all. It's using the DBZ formula where every new antagonist is magnitudes stronger than the previous strongest character and everyone then trains and catches up almost immediately. Its fucking retarded

>>135751154
If you would like to read some cape comic better than american ones go ahead.

>>135746267
>Taizai
fuck off

>>135752516

Only one who has somewhat catched up is Meliodas, but he not being at full power was clear from a long time ago.

>>135752489
Exactly why it's done well. Powerlevels in OPM are just physical strength and nothing else.

There shouldn't be a number for total battle power or whatever you want to call it. Having a number for one attribute is fine though I mean that exists in reality.

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>>135752079

>>135752583

No u

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>>135752422
In OPM there is no powerlevel...

>>135752497
it's still shit, the only thing different now is Asta have harem .
because being unlikable annoying loudmouth brat is very attractive to women apparently

>>135752497
yes

>>135752656
>animeonlyfags

No one mentions the actual best ongoing shonen series in Jump. ssshh, you know that one underrated series.

>>135748031

What are even the big 3 now

>>135752380
only the first chapter of both available on bato, but I'll read them, thanks

>>135752591
I'm already reading it

>>135752704
How can black clover get good? It killed the only potentially good character in the first chapter and straight up ripped off every other popular shonen out there. The MC is literally Naruto in Fairy Tale doing Magi dungeons.

>>135752585
So far in the arc yeah. But like every arc before it the main cast will power up and face off against them once again, exactly like DBZ. Just like every arc prior.

It's a shitty plot device that caters to their audience, which is largely children. Kids fucking love that power jump every arc, I sure as fuck did watching dragon ball. It's good at what it does in entertaining children, if you weren't an illiterate fuckwad you would probably realize how shitty it is for anyone older than 12

>>135752760
By sales: One Piece, AssClass and Haikyuu.
By ranking: One Piece, AssClass and Hero Academia.

>>135746339
Dude, All Might is gonna die any day now.

>>135752831
He was talking about NnT

>>135752827

AoT?

>>135752893
Not in WSJ

>>135752893
Big 3 only refers to WSJ series.
If we count every ongoing manga series the Big 3 would be by sales:
1. One Piece 13+ million volumes sold
2. Nanatsu no Taizai 10+ million volumes sold
3. Shingeki no Kyojin 8+ million volumes sold

>>135752750
World Trigger is boring as fuck

>>135752750
Still waiting for spoilers
I'm on the edge of my seat

>>135753002

Academia will be in top 10 by the end of this year.

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>>135752750
Why is saiki the best shonen jump manga though

>>135753002
>>135752827
Every fucking time. "Big 3" is a western term. There is no Big 3 (OP, Naruto and Bleach) in Japan.

>>135753096
What the actual fuck?

>Those uniforms
>That general colouration

>>135752750
there is a reason no one mention WT, it's a snorefest manga about people fighting in fake bodies

>>135753117

But Naruto ended and Bleach's anime got cancelled and no one cares about the manga anymore either.

>>135753117
No shit in Japan One Piece is insanely popular compared to everything else.

>>135753076
I wouldn't doubt it. Last year it reached place 28 for the most sold volumes and with that it already surpassed Toriko.

If the anime is a success then it could get easily in the top 10.

>>135753156
doesn't matter

>>135753096
it's the best wsj manga
not a battle manga tho

>>135753096
This.

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>>135746267
No
Isobefags ww@

My personal ranking of stuff that I'm currently reading:
One Piece = BnHA > Magi > Bleach >> Nanatsu no Taizai > Black Clover > Toriko >>> Fairy Tail

>>135753525

This is somehow a really weird order. Black Clover above Toriko?

>>135753525
>>135753616
>Tokiro
Who?

>>135753699

Torii torii torii koo

to me Black Clover is like the love child of Naruto & every light novel ever

so much traaaaaash

>>135751154
Well yeah, give it a try. I would suggest reading past 3 chapters to get the gist of it.

>>135753616
Komatsu become such a Gary Stu that I really lost a lot of interest in this series. Plus all that "food spirits" stuff felt realy weird and out of place.
Black Clover is still young and has some potential. Plus I try to read it weekly since I have some interest in series. For Torko I read it once in 3-4 months.
Also can Black Butler be considered shonen?

>>135751763
>Why do you think Nanatsu is better than One Piece?!

OP hasn't been good since the prison break and war, which concluded almost 6 years ago.

Everything else since has been trash
> shoddy timeskip character design changes
> everything about fishman island (~50 ch.)
> punk hazard a.k.a. The Law Show (~45 ch.)
> Dressrosa feeling like an Alabasta retread (~100 ch.)
> Sabo
> Gear 4 a.k.a. Gorilla Nigger Mode
> Awakened Devil Fruits
> Furry Island
> Weeb Island next

things I actually like from recent memory
> corazon
> God Usopp
> mr. pink
> fujitora

>>135753616
>>135753794
Yeah I don't get Black Clover being above anything. I don't understand how people can like it or why it isn't cancelled yet.

>>135749989
It's a great gag manga but the fanbase is already being ruined by Trump supporters here

>>135746267
KEK TOP. Those are one of the worst mangas on the market now, No one dies you know who will win evry time.

>>135754035
It's very foreshadowed that All Might is going to die and Deku has lost like 3 or 4 times at this point.

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>>135754093

>>135754035
Go read your Tokyo Ghoul shit if you want to see deaths every chapter.

>>135752794
>black clover
>MC is literally Naruto in Fairy Tale doing Magi dungeons.

holy fuck, that's so close it's kind of scary

Last time I looked at it, I rated BC < FT because it didn't even have waifus, but now ...

>>135752686
>Asta have harem .

Is BC the most paint-by-numbers battle shonen ever made?

>>135751154

Read to USJ arc, if it doesn't have you by then you don't like it. And that's totally fine!

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>>135754035

Multiple people has died in Taizai and All Might will died.

I replied to a bait.

>>135751229
>meme manga

what does that even mean

>>135754225

Pic unrelated btw

>>135752591

I'm enjoying this crap more than I should

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I've just started Nanatsu no Taizai and it's boring me to tears already.

I hope they stop being so OP soon because this shit where Meliodas takes attacks straight to his face and shrugs it off nonchalantly with some stupid one-liner is awful.

>>135746267
BnHA is just an average manga that people overrate and their fanbase is horrible. As for NnT I don't have a real opinion about it because I think of it as a satire manga and I'm only reading it for the characters.

>>135751229
Nice effort, picture seals your bait.

>>135754225
Toriko really is the most absurd battle manga right now. The 8 kings could all destroy the earth and Toriko still thinks he can fight them head on after he lost against 2 in less than 1 second.

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>>135754309

>I hope they stop being so OP soon

You don't know anything about OP.

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>people still read bleach

Literally irredeamble trash where nothing happens every week.

That sunflower niggas bankai was so fucking underwhelming when i picked it back up.

>>135752155
You know, I never really considered how solid the story is in FMA. Fuck, the alchemy and powers feels really second place to the characters themselves and there was never an instant where you felt disappointed in what came after, the villains came in logical progressions and their powerlevels remained consistent with their standing in the world.

I'd kill for another mangaka to give serious consideration to a story and characters before actually setting on making a manga, as it stands it feels like 99% of shounen is just winging it arc to arc until you get shut down for no longer being entertaining.

>>135754438
After reading it for so many years i want to see it's end. And it helps that every chapter takes less than 2 minutes to read.

>>135751321

Good taste.

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>>135754309

They all die, the main character is Escanor now.

>>135754480
at least wait for it to end and just breeze through the remaining chapters

>>135749989
>Video game fantasy land

This is by definition trash.

>>135754576
>Escanor never found out what Gallan did to his waifu

Would have made the defeat of Gallan much better.

>>135754661

Isn't Galan still kinda alive? Just stone? Like Merlin?

>>135753960
>Furry Island
Name a single thing that has been bad about Zou.
>interesting location
>nice character designs
>competent locals
Other than your autistic hatred of "furries" there is literally nothign to hate about it, fucking kill yourself.

>>135746267
I'm feeling Boku no hero academia is becoming stale and repetative. It's becoming really predictable. I hope the writer realises this and tries to keep things fresh.

>>135752155
>>135754464
>the villains came in logical progressions and their powerlevels remained consistent with their standing in the world
Fucking this. I appreciated that each member of the cast had a meaningful role to play and established a presence of their own, and not just play second fiddle to the main leads. And that it turned out alchemy is nothing special compared to the miracle of life and hard to apply for the people's well-being.

Also, the mob characters had a chance to shine even in the supernatural/superhuman fights. That one sniper who hit King Bradley in the shoulder, and the team of Central soldiers saving the Armstrongs from Sloth. You don't see that kind of stuff happening often in battle shonen manga.

>>135754719
Yes, and if Escanor would have known what happened Gallan would have been pulverized.

>>135753936

I think Toriko went off the rails after the Monkey King thing. Toriko was about hilarious who-gives-a-shit power creep and really weird food stuff and now it's being rushed to an end.

>>135754321

All fanbases are bad.

>>135754464

I've tried and tried to read FMA and I just get bored to tears about 2/3rds in and always end up skimming straight to the insanely saccharine ending where everyone is happy and has kids and the Israel/Palestine conflict of the series is resolved almost like a comic misunderstanding.

The whole last bit of FMA is like a mediocre JRPG complete with a fight with a pseudo-god in space. One Winged Angel should be playing over the fight with Father. Zzzz.

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>>135754309
You're doing it wrong. Look, the NnT animu is a middle tier adaption by A-1, who didn't consider it their focus series for the season it aired in (PianoAIDSdrama was) and it shows in various ways.

What you should be doing, if you want to give it a serious shot, is read the manga. Better pacing, landscape art to make Bob Ross proud and overall better storyflow, thanks to great paneling. The animu is mostly good for getting some select scenes from the manga seen in motion, the second OP song and parts of the soundtrack so far.

test

>>135755150
Addition: Unless you meant the manga, then walk away, you won't like it more as things go on, so cut your losses.

>>135755134
>I just get bored to tears about 2/3rds in
How is that possible when you have cool fights and/or military stuff about every 4~5 chapters?

>the Israel/Palestine conflict of the series is resolved almost like a comic misunderstanding
Given that the Ishvalans mostly kept to themselves and the Amestrian population didn't have any personal beef with them, I figured that was reasonable.

>>135752827
HxH is the second highest selling after One Piece though, you need to look at the per volume sales to gauge actual popularity since the releases are so sporadic

>>135755434
He was talking about sales in 2015 alone not overall. One Piece overall sales is like 400 million.

>>135751321
this is offical.

>>135755750
I could basically agree with that if NnT and BnHA were switched.

>>135751321
add world trigger m8

>>135755841
dont start this shit m8, its fine.

>>135755937
Well as I see it BnHA currently has no major flaws while NnT devolved into powerlevel shit for some amount of time and it can't commit to actually killing off or crippling any of the main characters.

>>135754724
>Name a single thing that has been bad about Zou.

muh evil poison gas (again)
muh billion doolar bounty lacky

>>interesting location
will grant that any maybe only that

>>nice character designs
so-so at best

>>competent locals
consistently not being able to keep invaders from climbing up the sides of a mile-high elephant is compenant?

>>135752802
>the main cast will power up and
Are you able to see the future? If not, fuck off.

>>135746267
ONE > Boku No Hero >NNT > Black Clover
Magi is really good because it's not only a shounen but it's got tons of political shit in there

>>135756116
Meh, this powerlevel shit doesn't mean anything after the introductions of the 10 curses from the commandments. They are a big "fuck you" in the face of powerlevels.

I would say i like BnHA just as much as NnT and OP. Other stuff like FT, Bleach and Toriko aren't as enjoyable anymore.

Nigger Clover is so trashy and cliche it's basically a guilty pleasure for me.

Like, it's really insanely bad, but it's into bad-good territory.

>>135755887
sorry, WT was too boring for me to get far enough to honestly r8.

similarly, SnK intentionally omitted because it's too hard for me to separate the cancer of the fanbase from the quality of the series itself.

>>135756410
For me it's so bad that it went into so bad it's good territory and then all they way through back into just being complete shit. It actually had potential to be interesting so many times and it just threw it all away every single time.

>>135755597
No, he was talking about the WSJ big 3 'now', in terms of sales and ranks. HxH has consistently high sales but rare tank releases, so you just have to use the most recent sales (which were over a million, Haikyuu and Assclass weren't).

>>135756488
SNK seemed like it was going somewhere with the scouting mission but then they just went back to the city and it devolved into political schemes and shit. It would be nice to see more of the world outside of one small area.

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At least we can all agree that Magi has the best big bad out of all shonen.

>>135756691
Don't read it. What makes this guy so bad?

>>135756691
Is Sinbad the villain now what? I thought it was going to be like ultra nigger rukh genie.

>>135756691
Am I missing something? I'm a few chapters behind but Sinbad is a good guy. Maybe he will be some sort of antagonist but I can't ever see him going full villain, it must be a meme.

>>135756224
>muh evil poison gas (again)
What the hell? We call this "world building" and "consistency". Why wouldn't Caesar's weapons be shown being used elsewhere?

>>135747930
Magi sucks ass hard and has even more power level bullshit than NnT

>>135756680
for me the underlying problem with the story of SNK is that there's really no mystery with where it can go.

> weird giants eat people
> people can turn into giants and sometimes revert
> big walls made of hibernating giants
> shady leaders abusing and keeping secrets from plebs

the only real unknowns are which characters end up having loyalties to which hidden factions and -maybe- whether there are any other human settlements on earth.

it's honestly hard for me to even care which characters end up dying.

>>135746267
both are trash

>>135756932
I stopped reading it a while ago but did we ever find out what was up with the gorilla guy? I was actually interested in that but I got bored of it after all the chapters where nothing related to titans happened at all.

>>135753960
You still didn't answer my question, why do you think nanatsu is better than one piece?
One Piece is still very good, Dressrosa is one of the best arcs in One Piece, if it wasn't for the slow pacing and short battles it would be the best for sure.
Gear 4 was amazing, original, unexpected... I liked it.
Zou has been amazing.

The worst thing was the devil fruits awakening

>>135756814
>The characters literally state their powerlevels

nah it's worse than magi

>>135756801
because the only time it makes sense to genocide a population is when you're trying to colonize their land.

a bunch of warlords would have to be retarded to kill off all their subjects rather than just continuing to torment them and bleed them dry of money/resources.

yeah, I know chemical warfare is bad, but Oda's social and political commentary skills are about as subtle and sophisticated as a middle schooler's.

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>People seriously don't think Gintama is the best ongoing shounen manga

Probably the only one that didn't have a shitty anime like the others either

Why does the wanpiss fanbase have the most sycophantic asslickers? They unironically call oda goda

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>>135757098
>because the only time it makes sense to genocide a population is when you're trying to colonize their land.
You what?

>>135749261
He never said best ongoing, he said best new additions.

>>135757016
OP is in complete treadmill mode, while NNT is still expanding its core cast and world.

Dressrosa had some good elements, but it feels like everything was drug out just so Luffy could form his grand alliance on magic chapter 800.
I can't think of anything the whole gladiator arc did better than the Impel Down arc.

>>135757240
I can into Lebensraum, mein Führer.

>>135757163
which part of "battle" you don't get?

>>135757413
Gintama has battle shounen elements, it just does them even worse than Naruto and is best ignored in favour of the rest of it, which is great.

say if garou or black sperm were dropped into taizai or hero academia verse,would they be able to stop them at all?

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>>135758185

Yes.

Or Escanor could just use his sun god abilities.

>>135758185
In Hero Academia there is a guy who can create portals for teleportation, Kurogiri. Combined with a Noumu who has super strength, instant regeneration and shock absorption Kurogiri could take care of both.

>>135758185

They would lose pretty easily in Taizai, not so sure about Academia.

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>>135758185

Escanor solos OPM verse.
Fite me.

>>135758342
really,could the hero academia guys actually beat garou or 11 trillion black sperms?

>>135758541
even saitama?

>>135758543

Not really desu familia.

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>>135758595

N-no

>>135758595
Saitama is a joke character, he can't win

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So is Nanatsu any good?
I head its rather mediocre but it reminds my of a DQ game do I wanna try it out.

>>135753096

I think this person is genuinely colorblind and no one has the heart to tell him.

>>135758543
I think they could. Kurogiri and Noumu aren't even the strongest guys.

The big bad evil, All For One, can literally steal every Quirk he wants and there are countless overpowered Quirks like creating everything you can imagine, control of everything made out of fabric, creating explosions with the sweat on your palms and much more.

>>135758764
hmmmmmm,does that mean he is like elmer fudd?

>>135758878
doesn't garou adapt or something?

>>135755150

>Look, the NnT animu is a middle tier adaption by A-1, who didn't consider it their focus series for the season it aired in (PianoAIDSdrama was) and it shows in various ways.

That fucking soundtrack, though.

>>135758185
Black Sperm yeah
Garou probably not

Gotta remember that Garou was as strong as Boros. He casually oneshot Black Sperm, was also FTL and lived through multiple hits from Saitama.

>>135758958
I don't know how he could adapt to being teleported into outer space, being sucked into a blackhole coming from your hands or getting paralyed by having his blood licked.

>>135758846
yes but read the manga

>>135759068
Not sure about Garou but I imagine with Saitama if there was a black hole he would just grab the singularity and throw it away from him.

>>135746267
HxH is the only good battleshounen.

So those are all the good battle shonen right now? Or Im missing some?
>Hero Academia
>Nanatsu no Taizai
>Magi
>World Trigger
>One Piece
>Bleach
>Black Clover
>Fairy Tail

>inb4 hurr none are good
Nobody cares, really, they get hate in here for beeing shonen. They are cliche and normie tier, but people still like them, get over it.

>>135758846

I think the first half of the manga is a bit above average and the second half so far has been better.

>>135759068
could they even land a hit on garou?

>>135760074
>weekly battle shonen manga with speed scans
fixed

add Fire Brigade and Hunter x Hunter

>>135760074
Go back to reddit.

>>135760288
Probably not considering Garou was FTL and BnHA characters have normal eyes.

>>135760384
Alright, going. See you in there.

>>135759338
Hiatus x Hiatus

MHA verse is weak as fuck. Many One Piece or Bleach characters would solo it. I haven't read OP but I know guys there are pretty overpowered. I am sure that Garou guy would destroy MHA with no problems.

>>135760443
Do you faggots still believe that everyone here visits your shitty site?

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>>135760687

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PRAISE THE SUN

>>135760747
Yes. Whats your username?

>>135746267
>And can we all agree that the manga versions are/will be superior compared to the anime

Has an anime ever been superior to the source manga?
It's a rhetorical question, but since there is plenty of dumb people, the answer is no

>>135760972
Why is Galan such a colossal jobber?

>>135756680
But they are now in Eren's city and just killed Reiner

>>135754321
All fans overrate their favorites, all fanbases are cancer. Discussing it is retarded.

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>>135750384
Yooo Sengoku Youko and Spirit Circle are the fucking best. How can this mangaka make so many good fucking series in a row. Hoshi no Samidare ;_;

>>135756738
>>135756742
>>135756798
Sinbad got connected to a guy responsible for fucking up the previous world known as David who merged with God. Sinbad is supposedly using his connection to deal with everything but is working with Arba (ALSO responsible for huge fuck ups in the previous world) to do "things" together. We don't know what Sinbads goal is, but I highly doubt David couldn't control him if he actually wanted to. Which means that either David is trolling everyone or that Sinbad is doing what David wants anyways.
Either way, once it comes out whats happening it'll be pretty big.

>>135747250
Magi hit a wall with Magnostadt imo, plus the entire past arc was boring as hell for months on end. Magi has severe pacing problems, the first couple of arcs were garbage tier until the Hakuryuu dungeon.

>>135758543

All Might could.

>>135763667
Honestly, Hakuryuu is what made me drop Magi in the first place. I just couldn't stand his stupid tryhard Sasuke-lite character anymore. Like, I even liked AT more than his arc. Is the spotlight finally off him now? Can I pick it back up?

>>135761629
both hunter x hunter's anime are better than the manga

>>135746267
I never got the appeal of NNT. I've always found it to be a really slow and boring read.

>>135765685
Says people who haven't read the manga except for seeing that turkey page on /a/

>>135764971
Hakuryuu is NOT at all a Sasuke character. You seriously need help if that's all you see in him. Sure him and Sasuke had the whole "revenge" thing going on, but that's about it. Sasuke was never willing to go as far as Hakuryuu was which was shown with him sparing Naruto.
Hakuryuu fucked up everything for what he wanted, and I suppose you haven't read the chapters that led to him making the choice that Sasuke wasn't able to do with his friend.

Even past that Hakuryuu continued past his goal of revenge and what happened to Alibaba to do even more with the civil war and try to fulfill his dreams of being a leader.

Anyways, Yeah he's out of the story at the moment. No one knows where him, Aladdin, or Morg are.

>>135761629
K-ON!, Shingeki no Kyojin, Hunter x Hunter, Kekkai Sensen. There are some anime superior to the manga, although they're usually few and far between.

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>>135765805
Can I just say that the chapters with the narrator giving out commentary for days on end were probably better in the anime? I mean I haven't seen it, but there's no way it's worse than that.

>>135765803
I only thought the initial few arcs were slow until Ban shows up. The dead /byzel arcs were incredibly faster paced following up with the Gowther arc which led into the Elizabeth kidnapping thing where there was no downtime given between arcs. So fights were going on nonstop.
I will say that after that kidnap arc the series dipped into slow-ville. It's picking back up but we'll see.

>>135762964
I have my doubts about that for some reason. But I sincerely hope the mangaka isn't trying to pull a fast one for whatever reason.

>>135756352
FT has been trash for forever, and Toriko just kept dropping the ball every other arc, wtf was with the timeskips in both series?
Power levels have been that way the entire time though, it's only a very rough indicator.

>>135764667
nah,garou can tank a few serious punches from saitama,all might does not posses neither the speed nor strength to do anything to garou.

>>135765812
Whatever. I'm just glad he's out of the way now. If he's no longer the MC then I can continue reading.

>>135750802
silly anon
he stoped reading BECAUSE of mangapanda

>>135751763
>Why do you think Nanatsu is better than One Piece?!

its going to end someday

>>135757163
Gintama manga has been trash ever since it decided to become a generic serious battle shonen. It's been that way for about a year now.

>>135756488
>WT was too boring for me to get far enough to honestly r8

Get some fucking taste you pleb.

>>135767570
This.

World Trigger is so fucking good. Honestly one of my top running series atm.

>>135767709
The author can't draw faces to be honest family

>>135767871
He's had his fair share of awkward poses in the series senpai

>>135760074
Magi>Nanatsu no Taizai>Hero Academia>One Piece=World Trigger>Bleach>Fairy Tail>Black Clover

>>135765803
I can't comprehend this. NNT is one of the fastest paced battle shonen.

>>135767312
?

>>135769162
Just shitposting anon.

>>135746339
NnT has more on-page death than HxH. The main characters don't die, but the fodder deaths are brutal and they're murdered en masse.

>>135750564
>One Piece
>best anything
Get a load of this kiddo.

>>135769889

I was about ready to say. All but two members of Dawn Roar get brutally killed.

Dreyfus fucking annhilates a shitload of knights.

Kinda wonder how they're gonna play that when he goes back.

"ha ha guys its cool he was possessed by a demon thats why he killed like 100 of your friends and blew up half the town heh no big"

Don't understand how anyone can actually say NNT>BHNA or equal too.

Characters- HA by a long shot.
Story-NNT but barely since HA is starting up now it seems
Art- This is usually based on opinions but I very much prefer BHNA

>>135770254
Hendrickson murdered a fuck load of Holy Knights while possessed as well. He's not completely forgiven (King and Griamore are still suspect), but he'll probably redeem himself.

>>135770254
Same thing with Hendy, but he'll be redeemed in the end. Some of the knights might not like it, but if the King and the Sins confirm it, then what can you do?

The Sins also killed several of the Weird Fangs.

Does anyone know where I can find Red Hawk Scans of NNT? I know they've stopped translating new chapters, but I'm still catching up.
The only site I found to read it now that RHS shut theirs down switches to Mangastream after a while, and I hear they're awful.

How generic is HA? Does it follow a lot of the established tropes that most shonen manga do?

>>135752238
>You can't have a set rule for chapters->episodes.
Two chapters for one episode is a pretty consistent standard across the board though, assuming a standard 20 page weekly manga.

It's not set in stone, but that's how it usually turns out. I remember the first Jojo anime did 4 chapters an episode and a lot of people were complaining about the pacing being too fast, but personally I thought it was just perfect.

>>135770405
Both are good, anon. It comes down to preference.

Both have several good characters, but NNT focuses on its group of 10-20 characters and goes into detail, characterization, and development for pretty much all of them. The series is practically defined by its character interaction. Every one in the set has a different relationship with everyone else. This is because they are adults with backstories and mature motivations. BHNA has a lot of characters, but has only focused on a select few (5-10) so far. Obviously it's half as long, but the depth and interactions for all but Deku and a few others isn't there yet. I'm sure it will be with time. Also, the characters are students, which personally isn't as interesting.

Story is subjective too, but I think that NNT, while somewhat standard for the first saga, is really brought to life by its quick pacing. Everything since the Invasion has been great as well. BHNA's story is good, but probably more generic given its school setting. Still, it feels fresh in some respects given the MC, but it still hasn't really diversified itself enough yet.

Both have nice art. Nakaba's paneling is godly, and his armor looks awesome. Look at some of the Escanor chapters if you want to see how nice the art is. Likewise, the costumes in BNHA are fairly well designed. The comic book style is fairly interesting too.

>>135766176
>Can I just say that the chapters with the narrator giving out commentary for days on end were probably better in the anime? I mean I haven't seen it, but there's no way it's worse than that.
It's the other way aroud. That narration was perfect for the manga, sucked for the anime.

>>135770451

The Weird Fangs were kinda assholes and it could be construed as self-defense. The Sins WERE indeed framed and driven into hiding for a decade unjustly.

>>135770405
I don't really compare them because they're both battle shounen but they're not really "directed" the same way.

NNT certainly does collateral/environment destruction well. The mangaka knows how to convey kinetic energy- he's like Murata levels of making you feel every punch and mountain-destroying slice. Honestly however there's not a lot of good "teamwork" in NNT outside of people tagging out for fighters who're better suited to the current enemy. This is fine because it's kinda awesome when individual Sins really get to cut loose and kick the shit out of the badguys.

BNHA's conveyance of action is pretty decent but the action is pretty simple so far- the interesting thing in watching BNHA fights is that more often than not they're team-battles because quirks in BNHA can be VERY limited in their scope. Like, Mineta's sole ability is pulling super sticky grape things from his head- he's not gonna train and suddenly now they explode or some shit. So likely when he fights he'll have to be paired with someone and they'll have to work around their respective weaknesses and strengths.

NNT battles are watching extremely powerful characters fight and work around eachother's special abilities in one-on-ones; BNHA seems to be going for the teamwork dynamic where people with VERY specialized abilities have to work around beating superior opponents. Both are really fun to watch.

>>135770786
>but NNT focuses on its group of 10-20 characters and goes into detail, characterization, and development for pretty much all of them.
It's not good at it's characterization.

I can only give a damn about Ban and King. The rest of the cast is just a bore and meliodas is a joke. I can't get behind him even with his backstory when his actions with elizabeth happen all the time. He reminds me of luffy but not good.

>>135750384
Did the depressed samurai get his waifu back yet?

>>135772230
I disagree. It's spent a significant amount of time with Gowther, Jericho, Guila, Helbram, Hendrickson, and Threader, especially in the last 50 chapters, with promise of further development later. Mel is a character that's already gone through his development before the story, we just don't know how yet. If you don't care about them, then fine, but I feel as if the series does a good job digging into the motivations and interactions of more than just its main protagonists, but its side characters as well. I enjoy reading about them, seeing what they'll do next, and watching them develop, and that's what's important to me.

One Piece, Haikyuu and NNT are my favorite weekly manga but BnHA is great too

>>135746267
I know seven deadly sins is generic as fuck and not only do they rarely kill characters, but they've even brought some back from the dead. However, I'm in love with this damn series, sure the fights are bullshit and MEL always wins, but damnit the characters are so loveable.

Seven deadly sins does what bleach couldn't, it introduces a huge cast and does a descent job of giving each character screen time and a backstory.

Also the romance between the side characters is adorable as well, ban and jericho/elane is sweet, king and diane are cute and griamore and veronica are fucking adorable. The only ship I'm hoping for now is matrona and howzer, now that they've killed and brought back matrona and howzer is known to have a giant fetish.

>not only do they rarely kill characters
Why are you guys so edgy

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You morons realize "power levels" are like an enormous part of shounen storytelling right? So why are you morons acting like it's inherently bad? Just to be contrarian douchebags?

>>135772971
>Killing characters inherently makes a story good.

I hate this place sometimes, because all Akame Ga Kill does is kill off characters and they label THAT edgy garbage.

>>135772971
It's not that they don't kill characters, it's that they appear to do so and then lolno it every fucking time.

>>135750564
>fairy tail
I dropped that so long ago, once laxus came back and he purposely lost to hades I began losing interest.

>>135750698
>not liking ban
confirmed for shit taste

>>135773120
>.

There are good and bad ways to kill people off.

If your story is going to be about people fighting a whole bunch then dramatic tension comes from people potentially losing and there being consequences for it.

That's part of what My Hero Academia's problem is for example; if Villains keep attacking the kids over and over and the kids always walk away- maybe with the odd booboo, then there's no dramatic tension.

All Might's inevitable insanely-foreshadowed death can't be treated like a "death quota".

"Okay, we killed someone now- that's enough death for so many chapters."

The readers need to know the badguy MIGHT actually win a skirmish or two. Of course the good guys win in the end; it's shounen and "The Hero's Journey" and all that. Just don't put us to sleep in the meanwhile.

It's why (in addition to it being terrible) I kinda checked out of DBZ as a kid after the Cell Saga. When death has no meaning then we do we care? "Hmm, I hope so and so doesn't die because um...maybe this time they'll be like 'nah don't bring me back i'm cool bein dead' or whatever"

>>135752591
>recognizing the artists style
I didn't know the mangaka for soul eater had a new work out

>>135754385
He'll be able to later I'm sure.

Toriko is an amazing example of how much you can possibly rush a manga without just going "the end".

>>135766176
>wtf was with the timeskips in both series?
The timeskips seemed to be opposite to each other.
>FT
Had to stop time for the MCs because they were getting too powerful due to power creep, giving enemies 7 years to grow stronger gives a good excuse for them to fight from the underdog position again.
>Toriko
Everything had been built up so much they desperately needed to get stronger. There was no fucking way Toriko and the gang could take on the gourmet world let alone the 8 kings.

>>135773120
Absolutely no threat of death in a series about battling villains is a huge negative, it reduces the tension and makes it predictable. Deaths are also generally high points when well executed, it's a wasted opportunity.

>>135773518

It's...kinda bleh IMO. Fun setting I guess.

>>135773601
>>135773474
Guys guys, you're prematurely judging hero academia, the series literally just started over a year ago and it's a SHOUNEN. Of course there won't be any major deaths for a while, I don't think One Piece got it's first major death until like several arcs later, same with Naruto.

>>135772230
>4000 year old demon
>not an interesting character

How

>>135772230
>He reminds me of luffy but not good.
How?
Mel's a traitor that's fought to break the cycle of his love reincarnating followed by tragedy for thousands of years (20ish known years but it's assumed this has been going on for much longer). Luffy's a happy go lucky pirate that fights for his dream and friends.

>>135773737
While I agree, you can tell from the tone of the series that there won't be many deaths. Personally, I don't think deaths are important, they should be used to cap off character development and serve as launch points for other character's developments. If you are just going to kill a character for the sake of doing it, you remove all future potential for the character. Like if Jericho died, she would never had developed into best girl.

>>135773056
Power levels are all well and good but giving them numbers via a dbz scouter just ruins the fun.
>new character! Maybe they'll be stro-
>oh... 1000 power level
>new enemy, I wonder what they're li-
>ok hawk, now we know they're a melee based fighter that's considerably stronger than everyone else, thanks for that detailed analysis
Of course, this doesn't say anything about tactics and powers, but it's still annoying.

>>135773737
I was actually thinking of One Piece instead of BNHA when I said a lack of death makes the series predictable, it's one of the worst things about it. I feel zero tension while reading it, I know everyone's gonna be fine unless there's a drastic change of arc structure like for Ace.

>>135773056
>So why are you morons acting like it's inherently bad?
What value does it have? What does it add to the story?

>>135749750
>>135750384
I remember people talking about Sengoku Youko back in 2010, 5 years ago

Since Spirit Circle started to be translated in 2012 all Mizukami related threads have been about that though. I feel like SY really peaked during the Takekichi-Barry Salmoa fight when it seemed like the manga was drawing to a close and then pushed us into Sengoku Youko II: the sengokuning which was fine and all but it would be like if HnS had made the princess vs everyone else fight into an entire arc instead of the finale of the finale or if after the current arc in Spirit Circle with Fortuna's possession ends then we get pushed into a new cycle of rebirths where we see it from Kouko's perspective. Which would be cool and all but would take the wind out of the sails of the current buildup to the finale.

>>135750973
>one punch man is on the same level as one piece

You know, just because it is popular now doesn't make it bad. /a/ loved it back when it was still obscure.

>>135773862
It's a shounen, not a seinen. Of course there won't be any major deaths any time soon. But to say there won't be any is pushing it, desu I can see quite a few characters dying off.

>>135773056
Powerlevels are bad because it takes us out of the realm of specialty tactics and character strengths and just makes it like that episode of American Dad that parodied James Bond and Stan played the game "highest number" with Roger/Tearjerker- a game where whoever said the highest number wins.

>>135773554

It yet it's going to be cancelled before it's wrapped up

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Its bonu no hero academia a shounen ai?

I have received mixed answers and I don't know if it is just the new fujoshit magnet (like free! was) or it it is just suggestive like HxH.

>>135774315
It's not shounen ai and it's neither fujobait nor suggestive, but fujos gonna fujo obviously. You seem pretty rotten yourself with your yaoi-goggles.

>>135774241
I agree, and I don't think they should have been added into the series, but 50 chapters later and that hasn't happened once. Galan beat Mel, Mel beat Galan, and Escanor beat Galan, but then you're ignoring the Pleiades beating Fraudrin, 3 Stooges vs. the Gray Demon, and Gowther vs. Diane. It's more that they don't mean much rather than they are actually harming the series in any way.

>>135773812
His personality is not likable.

>>135773997
The whole thing is it was blatantly said that power levels don't ascertain an opponents fighting ability at all, unlike DBZ where when a little force runs into a big for the bigger force automatically wins.

>>135774064

Are you new to shounen? The entire point of shounen are to have the most badass fights in manga history, that's why "shounen" is called shounen and is written for little boys, it's supposed to ooze pure testosterone and who's stronger than who.

>>135774315
Nah it's just full of really good characters. It's why threads are always full of fujoshits and waifufags. They can't help it.

>>135774543
I'd say the Sins as a group are the main characters. Mel is interesting because he hides so much of who he is. Unlike most leads, he isn't forthcoming with his feelings, and he feels the need to protect everyone from the truth of the past. Despite all the shit he's seen, he acts upbeat, but all he really wants to do is live with Liz and his animal companion and be happy. But duty calls, and he gets shit done when he needs to.

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>>135752591
>The mangaka of Soul Eater is doing something else rather than Moe Eater NOT
Gotta check this shit out

>>135774732
ah ok. Is it worth a watch? Usually anime character development isn't very strong (except for Shiki and GitS).

>>135773413
I think NnT is somewhat justified in that it established elements like an afterlife and ghosts fairly early in the series and also used miraculous resurrections to foreshadow one the character's powers.

You can argue that this is bad storytelling or whatever but it's not like the revivals/returns came out of left field.

>>135774315

Nah. It's just that it's a classroom setting and Horikoshi managed to make a class full of cute, likable, distinct characters and gave a lot of them development.

It has a huge fujo quotient because the MC has a pretty non-standard + fujo-friendly design (A slight, soft-featured, freckled, curly-haired dork) and if you do the fujo thing where you pick and choose what character moments you acknowledge it's ship-city.

Like, if you just took some random pages of Bakugou from choice points he comes off as insanely fucking tsundere for Midoriya (reality: he really is just a gigantic asshole). Todoroki comes off as thirsty af for Midoriya if you do the same thing. There's two MANLY MEN WHO DO MANLY THINGS THE MANLY WAY students with body hardening powers whose outfits show off their upper bodies and one of them becomes sortafriends with Bakugou, the asshole. Basically it's a fujo goldmine.

>>135774684
>it was blatantly said that power levels don't ascertain an opponents fighting ability at all
Then why show them in the first place? Or do they actually show an opponents fighting ability?

>>135774684
>most badass fights in manga history
You dodged the question, how do power levels accomplish that? They don't improve fights in any way at all.

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>>135758856
then weird hair color is explained within the manga if that is what you are talking about.

>>135761761
everyone is a jobber when they are up against escanore

>>135773601
No shounen does this, though. Even HxH only kills off tertiary characters and has also pulled its share of revivals.

>>135775046
All they do is show an opponents raw magic power,

Physical strength

And spirit(willpower).

Unlike DB which are just random high numbers for the fuck of it, NNT actually divides things up so it makes more sense.

So say a guy with

300 spirit

600 strength

and 20 Magical power faces anoother guy with

10 strength

150 spirit

and 700 magical power

So the first guy has a pl of like 920 while the second guy has a pl of like 860

So the first guy has a higher pl overall, but he's weaker within the magic side of things while the second guy isn't too physically powerful. As long as the second guy plays to his strengths and exposes the other dudes weaknesses and vice versa then it doesn't matter who's PL is weaker or stronger overall.

>>135775645
And again, then why show them if they're worthless?