Are Boku No Hero Academia and Nanatsu No Taizai the best new shounen series? And can we all agree that the manga versions are/will be superior compared to the anime?
probably, which is sad considering that NnT's anime already turned into QUALITY.
honestly, I like them both more than post-timeskip OP, before I even begin to factor in the fanbases.
Magi is objectively the best shounen after FMA and is better than that power level shit manga or that genric piece of shit hero manga.
Also don't know what you on about faggot since I'm sure it's selling more than bleach.
The manga is almost always better than the anime. Not always, but nearly so.
The weird out of the blue introduction of power levels into Nanatsu no Taizai makes me scratch my head since there was never a really consistent demonstration of power from anyone in the series nor do I really see what is gained from it.
Kongo Banchou never really got into that and it was a great read. I thought NNT's anime was pretty alright myself. My brain refusing to accept what the official colors are for characters' clothing/eyes/hair/etc always bugs me but I streamed the whole thing on Netflix and enjoyed it.
As for My Hero Academia- it lives and dies by its cast because in a rare accomplishment like 99% of the (fairly large) main cast are memorable and incredibly likable, and yet in spite of this it has a MC good enough that he still wins the popularity votes in Nip land.
I got no idea how the anime is gonna work out because due to Horikoshi's weird fucking pacing it seems like they'd really have to work to get to a good stopping point. Ending on Stain would be the best but even a 2-cour may not be enough to get there. If we're gonna get more seasons it has to have a really strong hook and stopping at say the end of the Sports Festival doesn't cut it.
>Better than anything
Nah its easily the worst out of the trashy big 3 and really bad manga in general.
And still better than Magi. Let that sink in. Pic unrelated.
Boku no Hero Academia and One Piece are the best ongoing shounen mangas.
I cannot really imagine the anime of BNHA being better than the manga. I am 100% that the animation isn't going to be consistent and Horikoshi art style is just awesome...
>being this new
this, it's good
it's ok, but the art is really really bad and can't be counted as just a unique "style". It's genuinely inconsistent and pretty fucked up.
I enjoy it. Especially now that the two MCs are finally fighting each other. People rarely talk about it though.
Birdmen is weird.
I read Fairy Tail for asses and tits.
One Piece is the best shonen but contrarians will tell it is not.
HxH would be up there but it has become more a seinen (JoJo too) than a shonen, also hiatus x hiatus.
Everything else is pretty much shit, including Nanatsu.
Pic related is when I stopped reading Nanatsu
>HxH would be up there but it has become more a seinen (JoJo too) than shonen
>Shonen/Seinen is determined by the content of the series
Where the fuck are you newfags coming from? What determines whether a manga is shonen or a seinen is just the fucking demographic targeted magazine the series is serialized in. Just call them battle manga as there are existing seinen series that fit this description.
OP is a cut above average to crap shit like NnT, but there's a reason why I haven't read it in months.
I was reading the manga before the anime aired, faggot. It has absolutely nothing going for it. It appeals to the lowest common denominator by hitting the familiar spots.
Wan Piss is the same shit every time and now, with furry.
And many people think that Luffy would beat Saitama because Luffy is made of rubber. That shows how shitty the fanbase is.
>Deku blowing up his pants through sheer hotblood vs. inspired Todoroki
>Escanor sunposting on the entire vampire clan while thinkgen of poetry
I haven't read a currently running shonen that are more exciting than these two at the moment.
>And many people think that Luffy would beat Saitama because Luffy is made of rubber.
I am sure that a true One Piece fan would never say something like that.
Why do you think Nanatsu is better than One Piece?!
Because I lost my interest towards One Piece. And when something gets hype in Taizai, Nakaba ALWAYS delivers.
>Magi is objectively the best shounen after FMA
Basically none of these series can even touch FMA besides possibly BnHA. FMA is one complete and solid story. There are no arcs and it doesn't just have the MC beat big bad A only for him to be replaced by big bad B and on and on with side stories that ultimately have no significant impact on the main plot.
Wait until Toriko, Gintama, AssClass and Nisekoi end this year. WSJ has to bring back old authors to fill this huge gap.
I hope Tamura Ryuuhei returns with his dragon brothers story.
You can't have a set rule for chapters->episodes. Take OPM for example. There are whole chapters that are just one thing happening and when animated take 10-15 seconds. Then there are whole chapters filled with dialogue that can take many minutes. It's a lot more complicated than that.
If Horikoshi continue like this, BnHA can be one of the best manga ever, the history of the manga is destined to become more serious.
All Might death will surely be the one of the best arcs ever in the manga
you could try Shinobi no Ban or Sora no Kain, unfortunately both are being scanlated by Jaimini box group & they don't give a fuck about anything that isn't called Black Clover, so you gonna wait a lot for updates
You should continue, the best parts are with the 10 commandments and Escanor.
They aren't at all. It's using the DBZ formula where every new antagonist is magnitudes stronger than the previous strongest character and everyone then trains and catches up almost immediately. Its fucking retarded
Exactly why it's done well. Powerlevels in OPM are just physical strength and nothing else.
There shouldn't be a number for total battle power or whatever you want to call it. Having a number for one attribute is fine though I mean that exists in reality.
How can black clover get good? It killed the only potentially good character in the first chapter and straight up ripped off every other popular shonen out there. The MC is literally Naruto in Fairy Tale doing Magi dungeons.
So far in the arc yeah. But like every arc before it the main cast will power up and face off against them once again, exactly like DBZ. Just like every arc prior.
It's a shitty plot device that caters to their audience, which is largely children. Kids fucking love that power jump every arc, I sure as fuck did watching dragon ball. It's good at what it does in entertaining children, if you weren't an illiterate fuckwad you would probably realize how shitty it is for anyone older than 12
Big 3 only refers to WSJ series.
If we count every ongoing manga series the Big 3 would be by sales:
1. One Piece 13+ million volumes sold
2. Nanatsu no Taizai 10+ million volumes sold
3. Shingeki no Kyojin 8+ million volumes sold
Why is saiki the best shonen jump manga though
I wouldn't doubt it. Last year it reached place 28 for the most sold volumes and with that it already surpassed Toriko.
If the anime is a success then it could get easily in the top 10.
Komatsu become such a Gary Stu that I really lost a lot of interest in this series. Plus all that "food spirits" stuff felt realy weird and out of place.
Black Clover is still young and has some potential. Plus I try to read it weekly since I have some interest in series. For Torko I read it once in 3-4 months.
Also can Black Butler be considered shonen?
>Why do you think Nanatsu is better than One Piece?!
OP hasn't been good since the prison break and war, which concluded almost 6 years ago.
Everything else since has been trash
> shoddy timeskip character design changes
> everything about fishman island (~50 ch.)
> punk hazard a.k.a. The Law Show (~45 ch.)
> Dressrosa feeling like an Alabasta retread (~100 ch.)
> Gear 4 a.k.a. Gorilla Nigger Mode
> Awakened Devil Fruits
> Furry Island
> Weeb Island next
things I actually like from recent memory
> God Usopp
> mr. pink
>MC is literally Naruto in Fairy Tale doing Magi dungeons.
holy fuck, that's so close it's kind of scary
Last time I looked at it, I rated BC < FT because it didn't even have waifus, but now ...
>Asta have harem .
Is BC the most paint-by-numbers battle shonen ever made?
Multiple people has died in Taizai and All Might will died.
I replied to a bait.
I've just started Nanatsu no Taizai and it's boring me to tears already.
I hope they stop being so OP soon because this shit where Meliodas takes attacks straight to his face and shrugs it off nonchalantly with some stupid one-liner is awful.
BnHA is just an average manga that people overrate and their fanbase is horrible. As for NnT I don't have a real opinion about it because I think of it as a satire manga and I'm only reading it for the characters.
Toriko really is the most absurd battle manga right now. The 8 kings could all destroy the earth and Toriko still thinks he can fight them head on after he lost against 2 in less than 1 second.
>I hope they stop being so OP soon
You don't know anything about OP.
>people still read bleach
Literally irredeamble trash where nothing happens every week.
That sunflower niggas bankai was so fucking underwhelming when i picked it back up.
You know, I never really considered how solid the story is in FMA. Fuck, the alchemy and powers feels really second place to the characters themselves and there was never an instant where you felt disappointed in what came after, the villains came in logical progressions and their powerlevels remained consistent with their standing in the world.
I'd kill for another mangaka to give serious consideration to a story and characters before actually setting on making a manga, as it stands it feels like 99% of shounen is just winging it arc to arc until you get shut down for no longer being entertaining.
They all die, the main character is Escanor now.
Name a single thing that has been bad about Zou.
>nice character designs
Other than your autistic hatred of "furries" there is literally nothign to hate about it, fucking kill yourself.
>the villains came in logical progressions and their powerlevels remained consistent with their standing in the world
Fucking this. I appreciated that each member of the cast had a meaningful role to play and established a presence of their own, and not just play second fiddle to the main leads. And that it turned out alchemy is nothing special compared to the miracle of life and hard to apply for the people's well-being.
Also, the mob characters had a chance to shine even in the supernatural/superhuman fights. That one sniper who hit King Bradley in the shoulder, and the team of Central soldiers saving the Armstrongs from Sloth. You don't see that kind of stuff happening often in battle shonen manga.
I think Toriko went off the rails after the Monkey King thing. Toriko was about hilarious who-gives-a-shit power creep and really weird food stuff and now it's being rushed to an end.
I've tried and tried to read FMA and I just get bored to tears about 2/3rds in and always end up skimming straight to the insanely saccharine ending where everyone is happy and has kids and the Israel/Palestine conflict of the series is resolved almost like a comic misunderstanding.
The whole last bit of FMA is like a mediocre JRPG complete with a fight with a pseudo-god in space. One Winged Angel should be playing over the fight with Father. Zzzz.
You're doing it wrong. Look, the NnT animu is a middle tier adaption by A-1, who didn't consider it their focus series for the season it aired in (PianoAIDSdrama was) and it shows in various ways.
What you should be doing, if you want to give it a serious shot, is read the manga. Better pacing, landscape art to make Bob Ross proud and overall better storyflow, thanks to great paneling. The animu is mostly good for getting some select scenes from the manga seen in motion, the second OP song and parts of the soundtrack so far.
>I just get bored to tears about 2/3rds in
How is that possible when you have cool fights and/or military stuff about every 4~5 chapters?
>the Israel/Palestine conflict of the series is resolved almost like a comic misunderstanding
Given that the Ishvalans mostly kept to themselves and the Amestrian population didn't have any personal beef with them, I figured that was reasonable.
Well as I see it BnHA currently has no major flaws while NnT devolved into powerlevel shit for some amount of time and it can't commit to actually killing off or crippling any of the main characters.
>Name a single thing that has been bad about Zou.
muh evil poison gas (again)
muh billion doolar bounty lacky
will grant that any maybe only that
>>nice character designs
so-so at best
consistently not being able to keep invaders from climbing up the sides of a mile-high elephant is compenant?
Meh, this powerlevel shit doesn't mean anything after the introductions of the 10 curses from the commandments. They are a big "fuck you" in the face of powerlevels.
I would say i like BnHA just as much as NnT and OP. Other stuff like FT, Bleach and Toriko aren't as enjoyable anymore.
sorry, WT was too boring for me to get far enough to honestly r8.
similarly, SnK intentionally omitted because it's too hard for me to separate the cancer of the fanbase from the quality of the series itself.
For me it's so bad that it went into so bad it's good territory and then all they way through back into just being complete shit. It actually had potential to be interesting so many times and it just threw it all away every single time.
No, he was talking about the WSJ big 3 'now', in terms of sales and ranks. HxH has consistently high sales but rare tank releases, so you just have to use the most recent sales (which were over a million, Haikyuu and Assclass weren't).
SNK seemed like it was going somewhere with the scouting mission but then they just went back to the city and it devolved into political schemes and shit. It would be nice to see more of the world outside of one small area.
At least we can all agree that Magi has the best big bad out of all shonen.
Am I missing something? I'm a few chapters behind but Sinbad is a good guy. Maybe he will be some sort of antagonist but I can't ever see him going full villain, it must be a meme.
for me the underlying problem with the story of SNK is that there's really no mystery with where it can go.
> weird giants eat people
> people can turn into giants and sometimes revert
> big walls made of hibernating giants
> shady leaders abusing and keeping secrets from plebs
the only real unknowns are which characters end up having loyalties to which hidden factions and -maybe- whether there are any other human settlements on earth.
it's honestly hard for me to even care which characters end up dying.
I stopped reading it a while ago but did we ever find out what was up with the gorilla guy? I was actually interested in that but I got bored of it after all the chapters where nothing related to titans happened at all.
You still didn't answer my question, why do you think nanatsu is better than one piece?
One Piece is still very good, Dressrosa is one of the best arcs in One Piece, if it wasn't for the slow pacing and short battles it would be the best for sure.
Gear 4 was amazing, original, unexpected... I liked it.
Zou has been amazing.
The worst thing was the devil fruits awakening
because the only time it makes sense to genocide a population is when you're trying to colonize their land.
a bunch of warlords would have to be retarded to kill off all their subjects rather than just continuing to torment them and bleed them dry of money/resources.
yeah, I know chemical warfare is bad, but Oda's social and political commentary skills are about as subtle and sophisticated as a middle schooler's.
>People seriously don't think Gintama is the best ongoing shounen manga
Probably the only one that didn't have a shitty anime like the others either
>because the only time it makes sense to genocide a population is when you're trying to colonize their land.
OP is in complete treadmill mode, while NNT is still expanding its core cast and world.
Dressrosa had some good elements, but it feels like everything was drug out just so Luffy could form his grand alliance on magic chapter 800.
I can't think of anything the whole gladiator arc did better than the Impel Down arc.
Or Escanor could just use his sun god abilities.
In Hero Academia there is a guy who can create portals for teleportation, Kurogiri. Combined with a Noumu who has super strength, instant regeneration and shock absorption Kurogiri could take care of both.
So is Nanatsu any good?
I head its rather mediocre but it reminds my of a DQ game do I wanna try it out.
I think they could. Kurogiri and Noumu aren't even the strongest guys.
The big bad evil, All For One, can literally steal every Quirk he wants and there are countless overpowered Quirks like creating everything you can imagine, control of everything made out of fabric, creating explosions with the sweat on your palms and much more.
>Look, the NnT animu is a middle tier adaption by A-1, who didn't consider it their focus series for the season it aired in (PianoAIDSdrama was) and it shows in various ways.
That fucking soundtrack, though.
Black Sperm yeah
Garou probably not
Gotta remember that Garou was as strong as Boros. He casually oneshot Black Sperm, was also FTL and lived through multiple hits from Saitama.
So those are all the good battle shonen right now? Or Im missing some?
>Nanatsu no Taizai
>inb4 hurr none are good
Nobody cares, really, they get hate in here for beeing shonen. They are cliche and normie tier, but people still like them, get over it.
MHA verse is weak as fuck. Many One Piece or Bleach characters would solo it. I haven't read OP but I know guys there are pretty overpowered. I am sure that Garou guy would destroy MHA with no problems.
>And can we all agree that the manga versions are/will be superior compared to the anime
Has an anime ever been superior to the source manga?
It's a rhetorical question, but since there is plenty of dumb people, the answer is no
Yooo Sengoku Youko and Spirit Circle are the fucking best. How can this mangaka make so many good fucking series in a row.
Hoshi no Samidare ;_;
Sinbad got connected to a guy responsible for fucking up the previous world known as David who merged with God. Sinbad is supposedly using his connection to deal with everything but is working with Arba (ALSO responsible for huge fuck ups in the previous world) to do "things" together. We don't know what Sinbads goal is, but I highly doubt David couldn't control him if he actually wanted to. Which means that either David is trolling everyone or that Sinbad is doing what David wants anyways.
Either way, once it comes out whats happening it'll be pretty big.
Magi hit a wall with Magnostadt imo, plus the entire past arc was boring as hell for months on end. Magi has severe pacing problems, the first couple of arcs were garbage tier until the Hakuryuu dungeon.
Honestly, Hakuryuu is what made me drop Magi in the first place. I just couldn't stand his stupid tryhard Sasuke-lite character anymore. Like, I even liked AT more than his arc. Is the spotlight finally off him now? Can I pick it back up?
Hakuryuu is NOT at all a Sasuke character. You seriously need help if that's all you see in him. Sure him and Sasuke had the whole "revenge" thing going on, but that's about it. Sasuke was never willing to go as far as Hakuryuu was which was shown with him sparing Naruto.
Hakuryuu fucked up everything for what he wanted, and I suppose you haven't read the chapters that led to him making the choice that Sasuke wasn't able to do with his friend.
Even past that Hakuryuu continued past his goal of revenge and what happened to Alibaba to do even more with the civil war and try to fulfill his dreams of being a leader.
Anyways, Yeah he's out of the story at the moment. No one knows where him, Aladdin, or Morg are.
Can I just say that the chapters with the narrator giving out commentary for days on end were probably better in the anime? I mean I haven't seen it, but there's no way it's worse than that.
I only thought the initial few arcs were slow until Ban shows up. The dead /byzel arcs were incredibly faster paced following up with the Gowther arc which led into the Elizabeth kidnapping thing where there was no downtime given between arcs. So fights were going on nonstop.
I will say that after that kidnap arc the series dipped into slow-ville. It's picking back up but we'll see.
I have my doubts about that for some reason. But I sincerely hope the mangaka isn't trying to pull a fast one for whatever reason.
FT has been trash for forever, and Toriko just kept dropping the ball every other arc, wtf was with the timeskips in both series?
Power levels have been that way the entire time though, it's only a very rough indicator.
I was about ready to say. All but two members of Dawn Roar get brutally killed.
Dreyfus fucking annhilates a shitload of knights.
Kinda wonder how they're gonna play that when he goes back.
"ha ha guys its cool he was possessed by a demon thats why he killed like 100 of your friends and blew up half the town heh no big"
Don't understand how anyone can actually say NNT>BHNA or equal too.
Characters- HA by a long shot.
Story-NNT but barely since HA is starting up now it seems
Art- This is usually based on opinions but I very much prefer BHNA
Hendrickson murdered a fuck load of Holy Knights while possessed as well. He's not completely forgiven (King and Griamore are still suspect), but he'll probably redeem himself.
Same thing with Hendy, but he'll be redeemed in the end. Some of the knights might not like it, but if the King and the Sins confirm it, then what can you do?
The Sins also killed several of the Weird Fangs.
Does anyone know where I can find Red Hawk Scans of NNT? I know they've stopped translating new chapters, but I'm still catching up.
The only site I found to read it now that RHS shut theirs down switches to Mangastream after a while, and I hear they're awful.
>You can't have a set rule for chapters->episodes.
Two chapters for one episode is a pretty consistent standard across the board though, assuming a standard 20 page weekly manga.
It's not set in stone, but that's how it usually turns out. I remember the first Jojo anime did 4 chapters an episode and a lot of people were complaining about the pacing being too fast, but personally I thought it was just perfect.
Both are good, anon. It comes down to preference.
Both have several good characters, but NNT focuses on its group of 10-20 characters and goes into detail, characterization, and development for pretty much all of them. The series is practically defined by its character interaction. Every one in the set has a different relationship with everyone else. This is because they are adults with backstories and mature motivations. BHNA has a lot of characters, but has only focused on a select few (5-10) so far. Obviously it's half as long, but the depth and interactions for all but Deku and a few others isn't there yet. I'm sure it will be with time. Also, the characters are students, which personally isn't as interesting.
Story is subjective too, but I think that NNT, while somewhat standard for the first saga, is really brought to life by its quick pacing. Everything since the Invasion has been great as well. BHNA's story is good, but probably more generic given its school setting. Still, it feels fresh in some respects given the MC, but it still hasn't really diversified itself enough yet.
Both have nice art. Nakaba's paneling is godly, and his armor looks awesome. Look at some of the Escanor chapters if you want to see how nice the art is. Likewise, the costumes in BNHA are fairly well designed. The comic book style is fairly interesting too.
>Can I just say that the chapters with the narrator giving out commentary for days on end were probably better in the anime? I mean I haven't seen it, but there's no way it's worse than that.
It's the other way aroud. That narration was perfect for the manga, sucked for the anime.
The Weird Fangs were kinda assholes and it could be construed as self-defense. The Sins WERE indeed framed and driven into hiding for a decade unjustly.
I don't really compare them because they're both battle shounen but they're not really "directed" the same way.
NNT certainly does collateral/environment destruction well. The mangaka knows how to convey kinetic energy- he's like Murata levels of making you feel every punch and mountain-destroying slice. Honestly however there's not a lot of good "teamwork" in NNT outside of people tagging out for fighters who're better suited to the current enemy. This is fine because it's kinda awesome when individual Sins really get to cut loose and kick the shit out of the badguys.
BNHA's conveyance of action is pretty decent but the action is pretty simple so far- the interesting thing in watching BNHA fights is that more often than not they're team-battles because quirks in BNHA can be VERY limited in their scope. Like, Mineta's sole ability is pulling super sticky grape things from his head- he's not gonna train and suddenly now they explode or some shit. So likely when he fights he'll have to be paired with someone and they'll have to work around their respective weaknesses and strengths.
NNT battles are watching extremely powerful characters fight and work around eachother's special abilities in one-on-ones; BNHA seems to be going for the teamwork dynamic where people with VERY specialized abilities have to work around beating superior opponents. Both are really fun to watch.
>but NNT focuses on its group of 10-20 characters and goes into detail, characterization, and development for pretty much all of them.
It's not good at it's characterization.
I can only give a damn about Ban and King. The rest of the cast is just a bore and meliodas is a joke. I can't get behind him even with his backstory when his actions with elizabeth happen all the time. He reminds me of luffy but not good.
I disagree. It's spent a significant amount of time with Gowther, Jericho, Guila, Helbram, Hendrickson, and Threader, especially in the last 50 chapters, with promise of further development later. Mel is a character that's already gone through his development before the story, we just don't know how yet. If you don't care about them, then fine, but I feel as if the series does a good job digging into the motivations and interactions of more than just its main protagonists, but its side characters as well. I enjoy reading about them, seeing what they'll do next, and watching them develop, and that's what's important to me.
I know seven deadly sins is generic as fuck and not only do they rarely kill characters, but they've even brought some back from the dead. However, I'm in love with this damn series, sure the fights are bullshit and MEL always wins, but damnit the characters are so loveable.
Seven deadly sins does what bleach couldn't, it introduces a huge cast and does a descent job of giving each character screen time and a backstory.
Also the romance between the side characters is adorable as well, ban and jericho/elane is sweet, king and diane are cute and griamore and veronica are fucking adorable. The only ship I'm hoping for now is matrona and howzer, now that they've killed and brought back matrona and howzer is known to have a giant fetish.
You morons realize "power levels" are like an enormous part of shounen storytelling right? So why are you morons acting like it's inherently bad? Just to be contrarian douchebags?
There are good and bad ways to kill people off.
If your story is going to be about people fighting a whole bunch then dramatic tension comes from people potentially losing and there being consequences for it.
That's part of what My Hero Academia's problem is for example; if Villains keep attacking the kids over and over and the kids always walk away- maybe with the odd booboo, then there's no dramatic tension.
All Might's inevitable insanely-foreshadowed death can't be treated like a "death quota".
"Okay, we killed someone now- that's enough death for so many chapters."
The readers need to know the badguy MIGHT actually win a skirmish or two. Of course the good guys win in the end; it's shounen and "The Hero's Journey" and all that. Just don't put us to sleep in the meanwhile.
It's why (in addition to it being terrible) I kinda checked out of DBZ as a kid after the Cell Saga. When death has no meaning then we do we care? "Hmm, I hope so and so doesn't die because um...maybe this time they'll be like 'nah don't bring me back i'm cool bein dead' or whatever"
>wtf was with the timeskips in both series?
The timeskips seemed to be opposite to each other.
Had to stop time for the MCs because they were getting too powerful due to power creep, giving enemies 7 years to grow stronger gives a good excuse for them to fight from the underdog position again.
Everything had been built up so much they desperately needed to get stronger. There was no fucking way Toriko and the gang could take on the gourmet world let alone the 8 kings.
Absolutely no threat of death in a series about battling villains is a huge negative, it reduces the tension and makes it predictable. Deaths are also generally high points when well executed, it's a wasted opportunity.
Guys guys, you're prematurely judging hero academia, the series literally just started over a year ago and it's a SHOUNEN. Of course there won't be any major deaths for a while, I don't think One Piece got it's first major death until like several arcs later, same with Naruto.
>He reminds me of luffy but not good.
Mel's a traitor that's fought to break the cycle of his love reincarnating followed by tragedy for thousands of years (20ish known years but it's assumed this has been going on for much longer). Luffy's a happy go lucky pirate that fights for his dream and friends.
While I agree, you can tell from the tone of the series that there won't be many deaths. Personally, I don't think deaths are important, they should be used to cap off character development and serve as launch points for other character's developments. If you are just going to kill a character for the sake of doing it, you remove all future potential for the character. Like if Jericho died, she would never had developed into best girl.
Power levels are all well and good but giving them numbers via a dbz scouter just ruins the fun.
>new character! Maybe they'll be stro-
>oh... 1000 power level
>new enemy, I wonder what they're li-
>ok hawk, now we know they're a melee based fighter that's considerably stronger than everyone else, thanks for that detailed analysis
Of course, this doesn't say anything about tactics and powers, but it's still annoying.
I was actually thinking of One Piece instead of BNHA when I said a lack of death makes the series predictable, it's one of the worst things about it. I feel zero tension while reading it, I know everyone's gonna be fine unless there's a drastic change of arc structure like for Ace.
I remember people talking about Sengoku Youko back in 2010, 5 years ago
Since Spirit Circle started to be translated in 2012 all Mizukami related threads have been about that though. I feel like SY really peaked during the Takekichi-Barry Salmoa fight when it seemed like the manga was drawing to a close and then pushed us into Sengoku Youko II: the sengokuning which was fine and all but it would be like if HnS had made the princess vs everyone else fight into an entire arc instead of the finale of the finale or if after the current arc in Spirit Circle with Fortuna's possession ends then we get pushed into a new cycle of rebirths where we see it from Kouko's perspective. Which would be cool and all but would take the wind out of the sails of the current buildup to the finale.
It's a shounen, not a seinen. Of course there won't be any major deaths any time soon. But to say there won't be any is pushing it, desu I can see quite a few characters dying off.
Powerlevels are bad because it takes us out of the realm of specialty tactics and character strengths and just makes it like that episode of American Dad that parodied James Bond and Stan played the game "highest number" with Roger/Tearjerker- a game where whoever said the highest number wins.
Its bonu no hero academia a shounen ai?
I have received mixed answers and I don't know if it is just the new fujoshit magnet (like free! was) or it it is just suggestive like HxH.
I agree, and I don't think they should have been added into the series, but 50 chapters later and that hasn't happened once. Galan beat Mel, Mel beat Galan, and Escanor beat Galan, but then you're ignoring the Pleiades beating Fraudrin, 3 Stooges vs. the Gray Demon, and Gowther vs. Diane. It's more that they don't mean much rather than they are actually harming the series in any way.
The whole thing is it was blatantly said that power levels don't ascertain an opponents fighting ability at all, unlike DBZ where when a little force runs into a big for the bigger force automatically wins.
Are you new to shounen? The entire point of shounen are to have the most badass fights in manga history, that's why "shounen" is called shounen and is written for little boys, it's supposed to ooze pure testosterone and who's stronger than who.
I'd say the Sins as a group are the main characters. Mel is interesting because he hides so much of who he is. Unlike most leads, he isn't forthcoming with his feelings, and he feels the need to protect everyone from the truth of the past. Despite all the shit he's seen, he acts upbeat, but all he really wants to do is live with Liz and his animal companion and be happy. But duty calls, and he gets shit done when he needs to.
>The mangaka of Soul Eater is doing something else rather than Moe Eater NOT
Gotta check this shit out
I think NnT is somewhat justified in that it established elements like an afterlife and ghosts fairly early in the series and also used miraculous resurrections to foreshadow one the character's powers.
You can argue that this is bad storytelling or whatever but it's not like the revivals/returns came out of left field.
Nah. It's just that it's a classroom setting and Horikoshi managed to make a class full of cute, likable, distinct characters and gave a lot of them development.
It has a huge fujo quotient because the MC has a pretty non-standard + fujo-friendly design (A slight, soft-featured, freckled, curly-haired dork) and if you do the fujo thing where you pick and choose what character moments you acknowledge it's ship-city.
Like, if you just took some random pages of Bakugou from choice points he comes off as insanely fucking tsundere for Midoriya (reality: he really is just a gigantic asshole). Todoroki comes off as thirsty af for Midoriya if you do the same thing. There's two MANLY MEN WHO DO MANLY THINGS THE MANLY WAY students with body hardening powers whose outfits show off their upper bodies and one of them becomes sortafriends with Bakugou, the asshole. Basically it's a fujo goldmine.
>it was blatantly said that power levels don't ascertain an opponents fighting ability at all
Then why show them in the first place? Or do they actually show an opponents fighting ability?
All they do is show an opponents raw magic power,
Unlike DB which are just random high numbers for the fuck of it, NNT actually divides things up so it makes more sense.
So say a guy with
and 20 Magical power faces anoother guy with
and 700 magical power
So the first guy has a pl of like 920 while the second guy has a pl of like 860
So the first guy has a higher pl overall, but he's weaker within the magic side of things while the second guy isn't too physically powerful. As long as the second guy plays to his strengths and exposes the other dudes weaknesses and vice versa then it doesn't matter who's PL is weaker or stronger overall.
That's like asking why does speed make nascar/racing exciting, or why does Kaminas glasses make him a baddass. Because it does, if you're looking for some "2deep4u" edgy bullshit then look no further than Attack on Titan or shit like Parasyte. Not everything needs to have some sort of deep underlying purpose to exist within shounen, some shit is just thrown in for the rule of cool.
NNT has one of the best set main characters in any shounen manga i've read. Meliodas not your typical shonen mc, the deadly sins is not just your happy go lucky nakama parrot gang.all of them have different motivation, depth and not always black and white. the characterization are so good i dont give a fuck about power level shenanigan. yes in the earlier part it seem unnecessary and awkward but you grow out of it and surprisingly it doesnt seem shit as much you expected.
Mel even says that they work best alone. In contrast, the knights fight together and rely on de-buffs and combo attacks. It's not like other series where the main cast are all friends. These are former members of a suicide squad that have been alive for hundreds or thousands of years. They aren't growing together, their longstanding personalities clash, and that's what makes their interactions interesting.
NnT has great characters but the writing is pretty shitty. For example:
Ban goes to city where he grow up. Ban saves random werewolf man. Ban has flashback about his adoptive father who we have never heard about before. What a coincidence! Werewolf man was his father all along! His father dies.
The writing is why the characters can't reach that high and HA ultimately wins. I care for the characters in HA. I can't say the same for NNT ones.
You described other shonen characters.
>not happy go lucky
yes they are
>not always black and white
no but that's nothing that new and considering they do fight for "good" reasons this isn't a good point.
>not saying Golden Sperm
Golden Sperm never showed anything that amazing besides defeating a severely weakened Tats.
All Might would probably wreck him.
Garou might stomp All Might because of his ability (which really was crazy strong, probably stronger than Boros).
I know that.
I was talking about the evolution of his ability. I don't think what we saw was the ceiling of his strength. The problem was instead of being a hurdle to jump over (like Metal Bat or Tank Top) Saitama was just too damn high to jump over.
Garou needs a stronger opponent to "evolve" but they can't be too strong.
Not to mention Boros was way stronger in destructive potential but Garou's speed and fighting skill along with his ability would probably make him stronger.
Would be one hell of a fight though (probably the one who was supposed to fight Boros in the prophesy was Garou).
We actually had heard of Zhivago before. He was named dropped in Ban's side story all the way back in 2013.
We didn't explicitly know about his relationship to Ban, but we knew key details about their story.
I'll give it that but still the the amount of coincidences driving the plot really bothers me. Like how Ban
just randomly runs into Escanor when running from the two commandments and then Escanor's power is an exact counter to theirs.
In oda defense that was really the only logical way of explaining why sabo never showed himself to ace or luffy before hand. The amnesia isn't what got me it was how oda let him remember that he didn't want to go home at least and how he got his memory back that could of been better done
NnT was interesting until Ban's fight with the two demons.
Dropped it when Ban fell into a bar and a mysterious man appeared that I was 100% sure would save his ass somehow. I was annoyed at the absurd power levels to begin with, but that was so sickeningly cliche I had to drop.
Sounds like the new guy was even more massively overpowered, so looks like i made the right decision.
Also Ban and King are the only characters that are interesting at all. All the girls are various degrees of plot devices, side knights are fun but jobbers, gopher is weird but not in a fun way, and Mel is pretty dull.
Escanor alone seems just like a poorly written plot device to begin with, and to make things worse the author doesn't even explain the origin of his powers, he is OP just because he is.
People hate Mel because his background and motives are written to be as intentionally vague as possible and it's hard to sympathize with him because we basically don't understand anything about him. He does things that seem wild and irresponsible, yet commands a certain amount of respect from the other characters, but at the same time is the main destabilizing element of the group.
You might not like him as a character, but he's far from the average MC.
Escanor's power is a counter to everyone. He's meant to be an unstoppable force and he's been written this way since his introduction in the Edinburgh side story.
>to make things worse the author doesn't even explain the origin of his powers
He hasn't yet, but it's fairly obvious we'll get an explanation at some point. He only showed up in the main story about 5 chapters ago.
>He does things that seem wild and irresponsible, yet commands a certain amount of respect from the other characters, but at the same time is the main destabilizing element of the group.
>and to make things worse the author doesn't even explain the origin of his powers
Are you a fucking retard?
>Gowther's mind control
We don't know anything about any of those.
Do you just want manga to be information booklets?
But all the strawhats truly trust luffy and at the end will do mostly anything he tells them to. The sins on the other hand, ban said fuck him and left, King said fuck him and doesn't trust him, growther said fuck him brainwashed bitches and went crazy plus he's a fucking commandment, Escanor isn't with the group, and I'm sure Merlin is only with the group for fun pretty much.
He's got the "Luffy" thing going on where he's a gigantic pain in the ass until it comes time to step up and then he does so regardless of how impossible the odds are.
The one thing about NNT that I kinda actually hate is that most of the Sins...don't actually have real sins.
Ban didn't kill Elaine. She sacrificed herself to save him after he had desperately tried to defend her from a demon attack that was going to happen regardless if he was there or not.
King apparently...abandoned his kingdom I guess? I don't recall his exact sin being explained. In the end however he's endlessly tormented by his decision and has suffered for this "sin" more than just about anyone else in the group.
Diane didn't even fucking kill Matrona and did nothing wrong, nor outside of being sorta petty is she even really representative of her sin.
Gowther is a fucking animated doll and apparently a former commandment. Where does lust come into that?
Merlin's sin hasn't been explained. Since this is an obvious twist on Arthurian legend her punishment is going to be watching Arthur become king and then be killed by his own son (Mordred) after being betrayed by his most trusted knight (Lancelot), and watch the kingdom he built crumble while she lives out her relative immortality alone.
Escanor's sin isn't explained yet- obviously he probably did something terrible or IS something terrible in his pure form at noon.
Meliodas has a legit sin. He lost the love of his life, and in his wrath he annhilated an entire kingdom- killing everyone last man woman and child. That's a pretty big fucking deal. Also he's a half-demon or something.
Do you understand the concept of "magnitude"?
In a fantasy setting is normal to assume that people would learn to use magic and shit like that, but why the fuck a random character just is born with such an out of scale power?
luffy is a fucking goody two shoes so we can pretty much certain there are no secret or depth development expected from him anytime sooner(unless you wanna count gear#567 as development). Meliodas is a fucking enigma with shady background you might know everything about him but in truth readers know almost jackshit about him even his gang cant help but cast a doubt. that midget have multitude layer depth around his happy go lucky attitude, that cant be anymore obvious.
A character with two opposite sides during the day and night is pretty common in mythology. We'll probably find out why eventually.
Still Ban running into him in the middle of nowhere right when he needed him to save his ass is such contrived shitty writing.
The whole plot has been cliches and coincidences from chapter 1.
>elizabeth is looking for meliodas
>just happens to run into his bar
>oh yeah and she's his dead waifu from 40 years ago
>and she has magical jesus powers
>King apparently...abandoned his kingdom I guess?
He left the kingdom in search of Helbram, slothed like a bitch, 500 years went by with a giant loli and Helbram was off killing humans and he was stuck with the sin of "letting" Helbram do that.
>Gowther is a fucking animated doll and apparently a former commandment. Where does lust come into that?
He was the selfless commandment who fell victim to his own power by giving into lust (mangastream went into detail with his title, can't find the comments though).
Merlin's sin's current theory is something along the lines of being a glutton for knowledge so did some bad stuff for it.
I wasn't arguing with all of them, just those few. Ban didn't do anything wrong no matter how you look at it and Diane only did something wrong if you consider her sin being the envy of humans and leaving her clan while considering leaving the clan a big sin (and the whole Matrona thing of course).
Man, Magi used to be so fucking good a couple years back. What the fuck happened?
But almost nobody dies in TG. It took like 190 chapters for somebody important to actually die and he was only introduced like 50 chapters ago. If you want to name off series where people die every chapter for drama AkG or SnK is more apt
Ban and Diane were both framed and/or wrongly accused. Their "Sins" are more like regrets.
King's was for allegedly sitting on his ass while his clansman murdered a fuck load of people, but we know it was out of his control.
That's really all we know about their sins (and Mel's). There's still a lot left to be filled - like why Bartra brought the Sins together (presumably to stop the holy war) and I doubt Nakaba isn't going to explain in more detail at some point.
That litterally never hapened. We never got any "train 2 days, gets 10.000 times stronger", only Meliodas that got back his real strengh.
Ket's add they're fighting right now the elite of the strongest race, except if the author goes full Kongoh Banchou again and does a battle of the gods for the final fight I highly doubt the we'll ever get something higher than 100.000.
He turned traitor to the demon clan for a reason, we can only assume what that reason is and the fact he has a reincarnating girlfriend seems to hint towards that being the cause.
BnA starts off generic as fuck, grips you a bit with All might and the fact that the MC just doesn't get stronger by pluck or super hidden strength but is outright given godlike power, be casue All might likes him, and then seals the deal by the time you get to Stain.
Also, the mangaka seems to have followed the Togashi school of making side characters interesting.
If anime is handled correctly (decent pacing, not fucking up key scenes) it's popularity will sky rocket.
I can't think of many reasons for a girl and an animal to be reincarnated, a war between the demon and goddess clan with the man closest to them caught between them could certainly explain it though.
>is outright given godlike power
Power that is too much for his body to handle currently. But All Might is proof that you can build your body up to withstand it so we know Midoriya will grow stronger and it's not going to be an asspull or random "muh nakama" power spike.
Nanatsu has its charms, but at the same time there's something I can't quite get into either. There's a lack of good fanart of it around and the fandom for it seems strangely quiet.
I think it might have to do with Melodias driving people away as the main character and the heavy focus on love triangles combined with amnesia. Melodias was too much of a mystery to begin with and not easy to relate to (what with him sticking his nose up Elizabeth's crack constantly). When you finally find out anything meaningful about him, it kind of falls flat and doesn't seem to fit. His battles also had no personality to them. He seems to be quite competent at times, but when he struggles it doesn't hold any of the same kind of impact you find from other shonen MCs. The overall pacing in the series isn't compelling either.
It's a difficult series to get into unless you're going to be a fangirl for the pairings.
Shonen isn't shit when done right. The problem most shonen has is that it either gets cancelled because it was already shit, or the author drags it on through arc after arc until the plot is muddled to fuck and it finally has a resolution that usually isn't that satisfying.
Good Shonen is usually one complete story without too many plot holes or asspulls or filler like FMA or Death Note. Then you have stuff which isn't about the story but just the SoL entertainment value like Gintama. Rare exceptions to shonen dragging on and becoming shit exist like HxH but that has its own problems.
>Good Shonen is usually one complete story without too many plot holes or asspulls or filler like FMA or Death Note.
>or Death Note
M8. Death Note turned to shit in the latter half.
I'll agree that it wasn't nearly as good after the timeskip and the manga/anime would have been much better if it had the same ending as the live action movie where Light and L end up killing each other, but at least it didn't drag on forever and wasn't complete shit. It still had no real plot holes or problems. It was just unsatisfying since Light basically lost because Mikami was an autist.
>Death Note turned to shit in the latter half.
6 is good but
Lel no. Special snowflake tier for people too contrarian to admit how good 7 is.
I don't know anything about NNT so I can't comment on it. Hero Academia is shaping up to be great though, hopefully Horikoshi won't drop the ball.
I bet you thought Ace was gonna be fine too. Honestly, I think the reason why Ace'd death was impactful as it was, is because Oda didnt kill characters left and right before that. Literally no one saw it coming, at least in the community back then. At MOST, I thought Whitebeard had some deathflags and he would die in Ace's place or something, but even then I didnt think WB would die either.
Whether or not you like OP or whatever, there's a reason why those deaths were impactful as it was or that much more memorable for the general public or readers than deaths in other manga. You dont really see other deaths nowadays cause that much of a stir/impact that even people that dont read One Piece know about it.
And claiming you need death to add tension is a big load of crap in the first place. There are plenty of fictional works where there's only one or two major character deaths. Hell even pixar and disney movies can build tension if they wanted to, and they do.
But Awakening was introduced during Impel Down.
I disagree, BnHA hasn't really built any kind of actual story beyond "here's a bunch of stuff that happens".
Nice argument man, you really put me in my place.
Who gave whom the bigger wound?
All Might lost multiple organs and can't use his Quirk fully anymore. Meanwhile AFO lost his whole face and after 5 years of recovery he still looks like about to die every minute.
You know what the story is stop trolling.
Anyways I say it's better than One Piece because so far the story is well established with a nice cast of characters, good foreshadowing but still leaving some mystery as to where it will go.
One Piece on the other hand is just a bunch of people on a boat doing random shit. All we know that at some point they'll get to an island which is the end of the journey. There are so many different side stories and filler stories that have created a massively bloated cast which isn't handled all that well.
Yes, because the fact that I disagree with your opinion must mean I'm trolling. Right.
Here's all the story Hero Academia has at the moment: there's heroes and villains. The MC is going to hero school to become a hero. The villains try to kill the heroes. The biggest hero's old enemy is like in charge of them or something.
Everything that happens is part of that story. And as fun as the series is, it's not much of a story.
>side stories and filler stories
I see. I guess I'm done talking to you now.
Even Buggy trumps most BnHA villains. Stain has been the only notable one so far, but even with him he doesnt really do much for me. Not much of a character with personality himself than a walking anti-hero archtype with interesting abilities.