[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vip /vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y ] [Search | Home]
4Archive logo
Is this shit to blame for the current state...
If images are not shown try to refresh the page. If you like this website, please disable any AdBlock software!

You are currently reading a thread in /a/ - Anime & Manga

Thread replies: 311
Thread images: 55
File: bakemonogatari.jpg (435 KB, 1920x1200) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
bakemonogatari.jpg
435 KB, 1920x1200
Is this shit to blame for the current state of the industry?
>>
>>135742750
Nope. Shit-eaters like does.
>>
>>135742750
No OP you're the one to blame
>>
>>135742750
Ye ye, another fag OP.
Just what we need right 'bout now
>>
>>135742750
Bake was ok, they just should have stopped after it.
>>
Yeah, we should really praise it more or getting us so much other great anime
>>
No, it was me, Dio
>>
>>135742750
>Is this shit to blame for the current state of the industry?

Of course not, OP.
My dick is.
>>
No. It even saved To Love Ru because the latest chapters are interesting for reasons beyond tits and ass since they copied Shinobu.
>>
No, that was Haruhi
>>
>>135742750
What state?
>>
Bake is actually good. Personally I blame Lucky Star.
>>
>>135742750
No, but it's symptomatic. It's one of the better LN adaptations, but LN adaptations in general are responsible for a large proportion of shit anime. They're this decade's robot toy commercial equivalent.
>>
>>135743818
But LN adaptations is good and fun. Its moeshit that killing anime.
>>
>>135743818
Battle Harem LNs, to be precise.
>>
File: 1496.jpg (63 KB, 1280x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1496.jpg
63 KB, 1280x720
Bake is a unique harem show though, We need more shows like it if anything.
>>
File: 123520120269.png (305 KB, 2560x1600) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
123520120269.png
305 KB, 2560x1600
No; this is.
>>
>>135744303

It still blows my mind that people actually got into wars over which near-identical battle harem last season was better. I know the joke is that we all have shit taste here, but holy fuck, how can you like either of those shows once it's apparent how utterly bland and formulaic they are?
>>
>>135744389
>wars over which near-identical battle harem last season was better.
when did this happen
>>
File: kon.jpg (2 MB, 2560x1600) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
kon.jpg
2 MB, 2560x1600
No, this is
>>
>>135744428

Every sales thread, for one.
>>
File: Urusei_Yatsura.jpg (169 KB, 1252x918) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Urusei_Yatsura.jpg
169 KB, 1252x918
Nope. That's this garbage.
>>
File: 1451158331749.jpg (697 KB, 1002x1011) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1451158331749.jpg
697 KB, 1002x1011
Yes.
>>
File: 1189283439914.jpg (305 KB, 1280x936) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1189283439914.jpg
305 KB, 1280x936
>>135742750
there are still way more Lucky Star ripoffs than there are Bakemonogatari ripoffs.
>>
>>135742750
Sword Art Online is to blame for every season's new battle harem LN adaptation(s).

No one series has put the industry in the place it is now, different shows changed different parts.
>>
>>135742750
Not at all.
It's either Haruhi, Lucky Star or K-ON.

And I think the question should rather be who should we show our gratitude towards for bringing around the current state of the industry.
>>
It all started with Azumanga Daioh.
True words. Speak forth the true.
>>
>haremfags that try to argue the harem show they like isn't actually a harem.
>>
>>135742750
What's with all the Monogatari shitposting today?
>>
File: RanmaCast.jpg (344 KB, 1024x768) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
RanmaCast.jpg
344 KB, 1024x768
We have to go earlier.
>>
>>135744944
It's a scheme by yurifags to destroy heterosexuality on /a/
>>
>>135745156
is this a yuri centric show? I thought it was a harem.
>>
>>135745449
It's a very complex scheme
>>
>>135745156
>yurifags
>destroy heterosexuality
wouldn't that be fujoshits?
>>
>>135745530
they are two sides of the same coin.
>>
>>135745594
Not likely considering a good number of a/u/tistics will fly off the handle if you so much acknowledge a male existing
>>
File: 1448032771789.jpg (180 KB, 792x792) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1448032771789.jpg
180 KB, 792x792
>>135742856
Owari is awesome m8.
And Kizu seems excellent.
>>
>>135745661
yeah, if you're a total homo
>>
>>135742750
why do you keep making hate threads
>>
File: Fucking hell.jpg (2 MB, 1190x1356) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Fucking hell.jpg
2 MB, 1190x1356
This thread is the representation of /a/ now.
>>
>>135745594
but /a/ being a male dominated board, it would serve fujoshits' interests to turn it gay. yurifags would want to turn a female dominated board gay.
>>
>>135745731
Shitposters get bored in between seasons.
>>
It was Lucky Star
>>
>>135745858
Lucky Star had culture
>>
>>135745798
It's a VERY complex scheme
>>
If anything, it's what's wrong with the industry done right.
>>
>>135742750
No, you are
>>
>>135745858
Close, but nah. It was Haruhi.
>>
>>135744389

Calm down fedora kun. Anime was never meant for refined gentleman as your self.
>>
>>135745780
>my pic is in there

Noice
>>
>>135746058
BUILD
>>
>>135746117
Why are you replyng to yourself?
>>
>>135746188
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>
>>135742750
Bake was fantastic

>>135745661
Owari is hot garbage, worst one yet
>>
>>135746151
>MAL
>>
>>135746117
Catchphrases are against the rules.
>>
>>135746262
What does this post have to do with anime?
>>
>>135746205
Why not? you sound like a nice guy
>>
>>135746151
posts like these makes me wonder how many autistic 16 years olds post on /a/

>>135746258
and immediately after that you see another autist calling him out on the least autistic shit
>do i fit in guys????

jesus fuck this place is a shithole
>>
>>135746463
Hypocrite
>>
File: 活動写真.jpg (60 KB, 470x300) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
活動写真.jpg
60 KB, 470x300
>>135746463
>>
>>135746463
You are going to cut yourself with that edge anon.
>>
Yeah, we can't even have a classic "my taste > your taste" thread anymore thanks to the /pol/ infestation.
>>
>>135746463
Let me guess, you took a break from /a/, came back, and realized just now that half of /a/ are mentally stunted and/or underagefags?
Welcome to the club
>>
>>135742750

It it was the state of the industry would be much better.
>>
>>135744621
How do you even ripoff Bakemonogatari anyway? Premise and narrative wise, it's basically a harem show, it's the execution that makes it what it is.
>>
>>135745449
It plays out like a harem, except with the key difference that the protagonist hooks up with the first girl almost immediately and stays with her the entire time.
>>
>>135742750
They need to stop milking it and finish it already.
>>
>>135746762
Throw a ton of closeups at eyes and heavy info dumping. Don't forget neck tilts and the "quirky" backgrounds.
>>
>>135746206
Owari was fantastic
Bake was hot garbage, worst one yet.
>>
>>135746833
>the protagonist hooks up with the worst girl
fix for you senpai
>>
File: g7Hgb3H.gif (3 MB, 538x396) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
g7Hgb3H.gif
3 MB, 538x396
>>135746513
>not posting the complete movie
>>
>>135746978
SS was the worst one because it's overrated shit loved by redditors. Nise is for patricians.
>>
>>135746997
What the fuck is this
>>
I'm REALLY REALLY excited for Kizu, rereading the novel because of the official English release has built up my hype so much.
>>
File: 1283218724738.jpg (665 KB, 2000x2830) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1283218724738.jpg
665 KB, 2000x2830
>>135746833
This shit kept going long after MC chose too, so what?
>>
>>135746762
>Premise and narrative wise, it's basically a harem show
Bake itself is far from a "harem show"
it is a harem, but it is primarily a supernatural mystery

it's basically harem Mushishi
>>
>>135746978
Owari was boring as fuck desu. There were no real anomalies this time they had to defeat. The girl didn't even have an animal and just fucked off to god knows where after that.
Second story was a bit better because shinobu.
It didn't feel like the other shows for some reason.
>>
>>135747034
The last good anime ever made
>>
>>135747034
the point when anime started to go downhill
>>
>>135747034
>活動写真
>>
>>135747025
SS was like 50% gold and 50% garbage
>>
>>135747034
The oldest known Japanese animation.
>>
>>135747025
>Nise is for patricians.
FINALLY someone understands!
Bake and second season try too hard and are often boring Nise isn't
>>
File: 1438640171256.png (828 KB, 1280x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1438640171256.png
828 KB, 1280x720
>>135744366
dubs speak the truth
>>
>>135747236
>>135747241
>>135747273
>>135747244
Can I put this on my MAL?
>>
>>135747245
what ones did you consider to be garbage?
>>
File: 1448801846291.jpg (54 KB, 316x500) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1448801846291.jpg
54 KB, 316x500
>>135747113
what? it ended when best girl won
>>
>>135747159
>....
Go back to MAL.
>>
>>135747304
everyone with taste knows that Kabuki and Onimo are garbage
>>
>>135747198
It felt to me more like the earlier seasons to be honest. Finally it came back to being about girls in shitty life situation needing saving but having to save themselves in the end. Not having an animal doesn't make it significantly different.

But while Sodachi arc is one of my favorite in the series, shinobu mail was just good, which weights down the season as a whole.
>>
File: 1446436048711.jpg (117 KB, 1040x700) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1446436048711.jpg
117 KB, 1040x700
>>135747113
>motoko and co still hang around knowing full well keitaro will never cheat on naru outside of doujins and daydreams
>shinobu still does the laundry and cooks for all of them knowing she will always be second place in his heart
>>
>>135747304
Mostly Nadeko Medusa and the time travel arc. Both had like 5-10 minutes of good content in adult Hachikuji and Nadeko going postal at school
>>
>>135747147
What I meant was that it had the narrative structure of a harem show. The protagonist meets a new girl, finds out about something in her life (often a trouble) and has a short adventure with it before she is added to the growing cast.
>>
>>135747404
I will give you Onimonogatari, but not Kabuki. that last episode was killer
>>
>>135747377
I mean, if you just want fanservice with a bit of monogatari, its spot on. but I rather dislike fanservice in shows
>>
>>135747025
fuck you faggot season 2 was the one with the best stories
>>
>>135747421
It wasn't even good. No one gave a shit about Seishirou.
>>
File: 123345213.png (46 KB, 339x189) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
123345213.png
46 KB, 339x189
>>135747421
>shinobu mail was just good, which weights down the season as a whole.
holy shit what
Shinobu mail was 4/10 at best

and neither the melodramatic retard arc was good, just because it's an arc structured like Bake's, it doesn't make it well written
her character, the loli Sodachi mystery with the blank letter and her apartment scenes are fucking idiotic, the arc was as bad as Snake arc but with less fanservice
>>
>>135747746
>snake arc
>bad
Snake is shit but the arc wasn't bad fuck you faggot
>>
>>135747784
it was above average at best and the only part of Bake that isn't good
>>
Series lost it's steam after Bakemonogatari. Shaft doesn't give a fuck anymore and it doesn't help that Nisio is an unprofessional faggot who destroyed this franchise when he was writing Nise.
>>
>>135747784
The one in Bake was by far the weakest in that season, arguably one of the weakest in the series
>>
>>135747720
I said good because I enjoyed the monkey dialogues outside of ep 1, the monkey x bat and senjougahara call, and I did want to know what was happening during tsubasa tiger.
>>135747746
It's fairly well written outside of maybe the last episode conclusion, and the apartment episode was pretty much one of the best episodes in the series so no idea what you mean.
>>
>>135747746
You were doing alright until the snake part.
Snake was decent. It might have been a bit overshadowed by the other arc but it does not make it bad.
I'll take snake over non cat Hanekawa any day for example.
>>
>>135747826

Nise is a shitpile except for Kaiki, everything after is good though
>>
>>135747957
this
THIS
>>
>>135747957
Kaiki is great and by far the best part about SS

not so much in Nise though
>>
>>135747957
>implying Kaiki isn't one of the best characters in the series
>implying you aren't the boy who cried reddit
>>
>>135747957
Are you that redditgahara faggot?
>>
>>135746849
Tell me anon, would YOU throw away something that's been printing money for you for the last 7 years?
>>
>>135748058
would fit the "I hate good characters and am autistic" shlick he's going for
>>
>>135747894
Nise is so shit that it made everything afterwards completely irrelevant. Japan agrees considering the sales of every arc after Bake.
>>
>>135748137
Kaiki is a middle aged drifter who makes fun of small girls and tricks them for profit. Pathetic
>>
File: 1447453950023.png (593 KB, 966x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1447453950023.png
593 KB, 966x720
>>135747957
>hating based Kaiki
>>
>>135748225
funnily enough your strawman still doesn't make him a bad character
>>
>>135748248
Doll really is best girl
>>
>>135747826
Honestly I don't think Nisio expected Bakemonogatari's adaptation to become such a big hit. He wrote Nise before Bake aired and I think he even said he gave no fucks while writing it.
>>
>>135748265
just so you know, calling something a fallacy doesn't make it a fallacy. There has to actually BE a fallacy
>>
>>135748439
still irrelevant
>>
>>135744806
>Haruhi
It was a power during its time, even if they got lazy and fucking stupid with it. Might've been what made studios turn to LNs as a more profitable source material.

>Lucky Star
Proof that 1. anything can make money and 2. otaku are scum that will buy anything as long as it's "otaku culture".

>K-ON
Made Kyoani up their game like crazy, so much that some people don't realize how good the good kyoani series actually are.

If anything it's your favorite anime what's killing anime.
>>
>>135749090
joke's on you. haruhi is my favorite anime faggot
>>
>>135749132
Haruhi has always been cancer.
>>
>>135747746
Found the redditor
>>
>>135749290
so reddit has better taste?
pretty sad desu
>>
>>135748317
I wish there was more Doll

never getting a good fig: check
never getting another arc: check
life is suffering?: check check check
>>
>>135749367
>word filter
Way to prove his point
>>
>>135749388
good, she's trash and easily the worst girl
>>
>>135749423
so you want to have worse taste than reddit?

that's pretty retarded
>>
>>135749367
Yes desu. They prefer to watch fight and lewd scenes in Monogatari so no wonder Owari was bad for them.
>>
>>135749513
You are reddit, of course you think you have better taste
>>
>newfags who think "anime is dying" because they don't like what the industry is making
>don't realize it's just them losing interest because they never really liked anime to begin with, just a few cherrypicked shows from it
>shit on LN adaptations even though some of the most widely beloved series are LN adaptations
I don't know why these kinds of threads aren't banned. The people who make them readily admit they don't even watch anime anymore.
>>
>>135749427
yeah okay reddit
>>
>>135749560
reddit liked both SS and owari and hated nise
>>
>>135749605
>wants to thoughtpolice /a/ from having an opinion

haha ohayou redditor-kun
>>
>>135749560
owari was bad because it was badly written garbage, not because it doesn't have "fights and lewds" you pseudointellectual retard

I bet you think the series is deep lmao
>>
>>135749605
You are not completely wrong with your initial points, but claming that more that 0.1 % of light novels are not trash is delusional
>>
>>135749704
The entire series is badly written garbage you faggot. Owari isn't any better than the rest.
>>
>>135742750
Nope, it didn't do that much.
>>
>>135749560
Maybe the whole of monogatari is so boring that without the lewds it's unwatchable?
>>
>>135744303
We pretty much know they're gonna be garbage but the real problem is that the other shit isn't good too.
>>
>>135749772
if you have no idea what you're talking about it would seem that way, yes
>>
>>135749857
You seem like the one in denial if you enjoy trash like monogatari.
>>
Wouldn't declining be a more fitting term?
Anime production has never been as massive as it's today, but most of it is just unambitious shit that barely cares about telling a story or doing something out of the medium.
>>
>>135744767
Nope, SAO did jack.
>>
>>135749905
please do tell why it's bad
>>
>>135742750

Definitely one of the many things and pretty high up on the list. I feel like standards would have dropped anyway this decade, it just accelerated the drop and made it feels a whole lot worse.
>>
>>135749971
They're baiting anon, you should be able to tell this from just looking at their post.
>>
>>135742967

Haruhi got the ball rolling slowly, Bakemonogatari gave it significant momentum, the rest of the decade did the rest to keep the momentum going.
>>
>>135750052
of course they are, still doesn't hurt to ask
>>
>>135750088
Both Kyoanifags and Monogatarifags are the worst fanbases easily.
>>
>>135749971

At the end of the day monogatari is just wish-fulfillment harem shit that tries to be deep and it's absolutely disgusting because of it. Not to mention the blatant pedophilia.
>>
>>135744428

People seriously tried to make a big deal out of mega flop forgettable anime like 35th, Rakudai and Asterisk and which show would sell slightly more units by the low triple digits and which had the better tsundere princess lead
>>
>>135744767

You could just blame everything on Aniplex really and then get accused of being Aniplex-Guy and still be right. They're behind virtually every bad trend and cancerous anime franchise of pretty much everything in the decade so far and because the model works we just keep getting more of that shit. The only one I can't really blame largely on them is idol anime, that's largely a Lantis and King Record thing though the industry is kind of following suit
>>
>>135745780

This 2015 meme collage is one of the most genuinely creative things I've seen on this site in a while
>>
File: 3dpd gays.jpg (196 KB, 800x1119) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
3dpd gays.jpg
196 KB, 800x1119
>>135745798
fujoshis arn't actually into real homos
>>
>>135747107


>/mal/
>>
>>135750447
Sony is ruining anime just like they ruined games.
>>
File: con detected.jpg (81 KB, 822x816) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
con detected.jpg
81 KB, 822x816
>call monogatari shit for the state of the industry
Owari showed that Monogatari is still at the top of its game even with Bake direction gone. Compare that to a lot of the cancerous shit we get every season and people still blame Monogatari? Then there's the hilarious irony where we have anons in this very thread throwing shit at the arcs that attempted some level of character introspection/storytelling while complaining about lack of muh fights, muh oddities and muh fanservice.

>milking this shit
When we're already in the middle of the final season with even Kizu on the way? The rest of the LNs are just side stories focused on individual characters so that shit doesn't even count.

>everything is shit but I can't decide what is
This is literally "shitpost monogatari: the thread". Basically anti-monogatarifags proving themselves to be more cancerous than actual monogatarifags. All of you can only pretend to be so retarded.
>>
>>135742856
This. The series is a joke at this point.
>>
File: 1420319863824.gif (876 KB, 416x410) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1420319863824.gif
876 KB, 416x410
>>135750532
>people actually read this
might as well kill yourself immediately if this trash entertains you
>>
>>135750694
enjoy your pedophilia faggot
>>
File: 1451528400907.png (246 KB, 640x360) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1451528400907.png
246 KB, 640x360
>>135750754
>>
>>135750741
whats wrong with it?
>>
File: lowqualitybait.jpg (18 KB, 600x600) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
lowqualitybait.jpg
18 KB, 600x600
You're not even trying anymore
>>
>>135750476

Back in the 2000's I never thought I'd find a studio or franchise I disliked more than what Kyoani was doing but Monogatari really took the cake. Kyoani might have popularized vapid shit and really jump started the industries putting all the power and say in the hands of otaku but at least they always put effort in regardless. Shaft basically popularized the low standards talky fanservice LN anime where everything revolves around this weird dichotomy of thrusting fanservice in the viewers face while at the same time trying to seem as deep and meta as possible through the droning convoluted twisty repetitious dialogue that judging by Fate's popularity otaku just seem to absolutely eat up. Now LN/VN otaku pretty much dominate and control most of what gets made, supported and gets sequels in anime via their purchasing blocs while everything else languishes unless it can hit up the mainstream god forbid. The only real change since has been the rise of fujoshi as a competing obsessive demographic who buy even more shallow vapid shit with even lower standards somehow. I wonder what brain dead money slave demographic the anime industry is going to hit up next that can allow it to lower it's standards even further. It might be idolfags judging by Uta no Prince Season 3 and Symphogear GX.
>>
>>135750694

Are Monogatarifags the most trollbaiting shitposting fanbase of all time before Fate arrived as competition seriously going to play some sort of victim card now?
>>
Off the top of my head, Shakugan no Shana is the most prominent cause for the current state of the industry, but I'm willing to bet there's something else more to blame from somewhere between 2004-2008 that I'm forgetting.
>>
>>135750860
At least try to write properly if you are gonna call other people retarded.
>>
>>135750829
>I wonder what brain dead money slave demographic the anime industry is going to hit up next that can allow it to lower it's standards even further.
fujos are taking over and you're gonna like it you misogynist piece of shit
>>
>>135750713

It' still a cash cow but I've never seen more criticism for the franchise than I have in the wake of the most reason season. It used to be virtually all 100% positive and people would write the most unconditionally glowing things about it. Now it just seems like shitposters, dumb teenagers and to be honest assholes are the ones still clinging to it for dear life. One can only hope it's really starting to wind down, but I figure Shaft/Aniplex is going to pick up the side story novels to exploit the fanbase indefinitely.
>>
>>135750829
Please get a trip so I can filter you.
>>
>2016
>caring about monogatari garbage

It's no longer 2010 faggots
>>
>>135751084
I thought it came out in 09
>>
>>135751127
the hype continued for a year
>>
>>135742856
Just finished Nise. It was as good without being overproduced.
>>
>>135751213
No, I just don't like your autistic outburst of text.
>>
>>135751267
If anything Bake was underproduced considering that it barely had any budget compared to Nise.
>>
>>135743922
I don't even have a problem with moeshit. I just can't take them done poorly, which 99% are. A good anime will be a good anime in any genre
>>
>>135751268
>I just don't like your autistic outburst of text.
Would you like it in a house?
Would you like it with a mouse?
>>
File: icant.png (999 KB, 991x554) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
icant.png
999 KB, 991x554
>>135750829
>Kyoani might have popularized vapid shit and really jump started the industries putting all the power and say in the hands of otaku
>but at least they always put effort in regardless.
>at least
>s-so don't blame Kyoani even though I perfectly described how they kick started this whole shitfest!
>oh right, so Shaft a shit!

Your tears are fucking delicious.
>>
>>135751420
Nazrin is a mid-tier touhou.
>>
>>135742856
Bake was legitimately amazing.

If you watched anime when it aired you should know, it was something different and unique
Even with some otaku jokes and fanservice, it has cool unique visual style, god tier unique OST, solid mysteries with fun characters, an actual romantic relationship and episode 12

While there are few arcs that are great like the last one in SS, overall the rest of the series shits on Bake's strong points as it gets saturated more and more by trashy sequels
>>
>>135751717
isn't bake based on the middle point of a series of novels?
>>
File: 1451147874091.jpg (280 KB, 1920x1080) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1451147874091.jpg
280 KB, 1920x1080
>>135750829
>blames Shaft while excusing Kyoani for basically creating an entire shift in the industry over the obsessive LN adaptations
>complains about fujoshit as the new vapid shit while forgetting that Kyoani already jumped on that boat as well

You sound really confused anon. That or you're just a thinly-veiled Kyoanifag.
>>
>>135751781
kyoani did nothing wrong
>>
>>135751776
Bake was adapted from the first two volumes of the series though chronologically it's not actually the first in the timeline. It's just the narrative starts at a certain point where it then leads up to the actual beginning which is Kizumonogatari (hence all the hype surrounding Kizu in the first place since it's been long overdue).
>>
>>135751837
Kyoani hasn't made anything good besides Hibike in the last 5 years


I mean neither did Shaft but that's besides the point
>>
>>135751892
>chronologically it's not actually the first in the timeline.
I hate when stories do this, im no picking this up.
>>
>>135751945
anon,
are you just addicted to hating on things?
I mean it is possible that you really are just an joyless elitist snob but
I have a suspicion you derive actual pleasure from this.
>>
>>135746978
Bake was better directed, scored, and had superb atmosphere.

Nisio got better as a writer and latter seasons have better plots and character development.

Nise is the happy medium between the two.
>>
>>135751954
The entirety of Bake basically hints at the beginning story though (from the start and even the end), so while it's fairly self-contained it also acts as one huge buildup to the prequel story which is Kizu (volume 3 in the series just after Bake). Hell you're lucky enough you didn't have to wait 6 years for it.
>>
File: 1451782349861.jpg (31 KB, 512x512) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1451782349861.jpg
31 KB, 512x512
>>135752109
Yes, the 'Monogatari is not a harem' meme does need to stop.
>>
>>135751954
faggot
>>
>>135752386
Weak bait
>>
>>135752386
I won't deny that Monogatari has harem elements but considering how it has another alpha male character damn near cucking the MC and recently one of the girls practically having the equivalent to an ex-boyfriend, it already elevates it beyond the usual haremshit.
>>
>>135752109
Totally not a harem. It's not like characters other than the MC and the girls who want his dick are literally replaced by cardboard cutouts or anything.
>>
>>135752386
No it's a harem dude, if anything this just shows that harem is not a synonym for bad
>>
does anyone know of a website where I could read a good summary of all the novels? Looking for a refresher
>>
>>135752004
I said Hibike was good
I'm not a joyless elitist snob, they're just continously making garbage

Garbage Kyoani made in the last few years:
Amagi, KnK, Chuuni S1 and S2, Tamako Market

Garbage Shaft made in the last few years:
Every monogatari besides SS, Nisekoi, Graffiti, Mekakucity, Denpa Onna, Sasami-san
Alright Madoka was good, but even that was milked with unneeded cash grab sequel

That's pretty fucking awful
>>
>>135752540
>kaiki
>alpha male

Are you shitting me? It only seems that way because he's dealing with girls half his age. He probably got cucked by Kanbaru's dad for being a bitter faggot.
>>
>>135753123

Except the focus doesn't fall on his romantic relationships and his edgelord status paints him more as giving zero fucks at this point in the present timeline of the series. Hell, the amount of shitstorm Koimonogatari caused for the haremfags was enough to make his character worth it.
>>
>>135753380
He's still a beta faggot for remaining butthurt about Kanbaru's mom being with other man 20 years later as seen in Hana. Fuck, his personality is edgy because of that.
>>
>>135753706

It still doesn't change the fact that his presence alone made an unassuming cuck out of Araragi, who's the main protagonist of the series. If anything, him being a beta faggot-turned-edgelord makes it even worse that he was able to pull that shit off. It's no wonder why so many haremfags were butthurt over his existence even when he already got bashed by a random kid.
>>
>>135753953
I'm not denying that. I'm just debating his status as an alpha or beta male. He easily falls under the beta tagline. The only alpha male in Monogatari is probable Meme since he does his thing without bothering anyone.
>>
>>135742750
No, that would be idolshit. I can't wait for that to die so we can burn the corpse, put the ashes on a rocket, and launch it into the sun.
>>
>>135754213
Noticed this trend as well. Which one actually started it though? Can't seem to recall anything of note except for the popular shit like Idol Master and Love Live.
>>
>>135744389
90% of everything is crap.
>>
File: origin.gif (450 KB, 500x281) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
origin.gif
450 KB, 500x281
Entire thread is filled with newfags and people pretending to be retarded when they actually are retarded. Never change /a/
>>
Monogatari is for retards who pretend to be intellectual. It has the worst fanbase on /a/ and if you're still watching it, you're part of the problem.
>>
File: 1450643431828.jpg (44 KB, 647x538) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1450643431828.jpg
44 KB, 647x538
>>135754635
>>
>>135754722
>It has the worst fanbase on /a/
newfag
>>
File: 1449107411496.jpg (67 KB, 1280x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1449107411496.jpg
67 KB, 1280x720
>>135754906
You're making the case that you're making shit up as you go. You obviously haven't been on /a/
>>
>>135754906
Have you even been to the Monogatari threads? It's like watching some bizarre waifu-worship ritual with very little discussion unless someone was stupid enough to not get a plot detail. Most of the time all the "intelligent" anons come across as falseflagging than actual fans.
>>
>>135754213
Monogatari is idolshit tier levels of bad. It's equally cancerous.
>>
File: do I fit in yet.gif (956 KB, 240x137) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
do I fit in yet.gif
956 KB, 240x137
>>135755421
>>
>>135755614
>>135755701
>"do I fit in yet.gif"
>literally replies with a statement that reads as "do I fit in yet"

I'm not even the same anon you're talking to but holy shit.
>>
File: done.png (87 KB, 227x260) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
done.png
87 KB, 227x260
>all of this fighting over stupid shit

just watch your animu and enjoy nerds. you faggots are so pathetic
>>
>>135755979
Fuck you Dad
>>
>>135756039
You should be glad you have a parent who lets you watch this otaku trash you ungrateful little shit
>>
I thought I should put this here, since it's a kinda - sorta monogatari thread.

Seems a couple stories in Wazamono are Karen and Hanekawa based, on top of Shinobu. Nice illustrations too:

http://inushige-san.tumblr.com/post/136749507571/%E6%A5%AD%E7%89%A9%E8%AA%9E-wazamonogatari
>>
>>135755979
You should kill yourself you pathetic old man.
>>
>>135752952

And yet these are the Western fanbases bar none favorite studios even still. What does that say about the state of anime and it's fanbase right now.
>>
>>135756112
>tumblr

sasuga monogatarifaggot. end yourself
>>
File: 1450354457224.png (364 KB, 618x688) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1450354457224.png
364 KB, 618x688
>>135756010
>trying to fit in

I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you're already getting there by digging even deeper.
>>
>>135756106
If I were your father I would kill myself over your pathetic posts.
>>
>>135751431

Yeah if you think that's a defense then you're an idiot. The point is actually that it can always get worse, but /a/ can't understand anything outside of the framing of Kyoani vs. Shaft for the most part so of course you'd find a way to read it that way to shitpost.
>>
>>135756193

I tried to look for it on the Kodansha and offical pages, but I couldn't, so stuff it.

Just enjoy the pretty pics you ungrateful sow.
>>
>>135751268

Yes we're all well aware of how the average dumb anime fan gets pissy when they figure they might have to read something more involved than a single sentence stock meme reply.
>>
>>135742750
it's haruhi and kyoani fault
>>
>>135756331
No, I just don't like your autistic outburst of text.
>>
>>135742750
> is the product the reason for the producers and consumers being shit?
ftfy
>>
>>135750969
>>135750829

Hi, could you tell me how Aniplex have contributed to this? It's been a full day since the last time you did it and I can't quite remember.
>>
>>135756381
Why are you so triggered?
>>
>>135756273
Don't care for either studios but it's downright hilarious when shit gets flung at Shaftfags and the Kyoanifags rear their ugly heads.

>Yeah if you think that's a defense then you're an idiot.
>but /a/ can't understand anything outside of the framing of Kyoani vs. Shaft
>literally assumes the same fucking framing

Stay classy, /a/non.
>>
>>135756440
redditors get triggered very easily
>>
>>135756586
>Don't care for either studios
Yes you do you falseflagging shaftfag.
>>
>>135756435
Please don't encourage him.
>>
I like Shaft and Kyoani
>>
>>135753953
>many haremfags were butthurt over his existence
What the hell are you talking about you fucking newfag? Kaiki has always been one of the most beloved characters. It's only semi-recently that shitposters have started using him as bait, mostly because of the 'cuck' meme. And even then it was mostly just one guy.
>>
>>135744588
The sad thing is, I'm pretty sure /v/ unironically believes this.
>>
>>135756707
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence loved Kaiki, haremfags hated him though. Fucking lurk more faggot.
>>
File: kaiki costume.png (1 MB, 1440x810) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
kaiki costume.png
1 MB, 1440x810
>>135742750
Well, it's the only reason there still is an industry, so maybe
>>
>>135756816
>liking Kaiki makes you intelligent
>not liking Kaiki makes you a haremshitter

Seems like you're just an assblasted faggot desu.
>>
File: 1449091807793.png (2 MB, 1920x1080) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1449091807793.png
2 MB, 1920x1080
>>135742750
>shit
Reconsider this OP, its still better than some other memeanime running around

cat is best wife
>>
File: 1451113762232.gif (498 KB, 405x228) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1451113762232.gif
498 KB, 405x228
>>135756653
>falseflagging

Jokes on you dumbass, I love and hate various shows from either studio.
>>
>>135757020
Cat is the fucking worst.
>>
>>135756707
More like most people are starting to realize that's he's just a chuunibyou edgelord.
>>
Is Kaiki the most beloved edgelord on /a/?

It's probably Kumagawa tho

looks like Nisio makes the best ones
>>
File: 1425268508952.jpg (581 KB, 1281x994) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1425268508952.jpg
581 KB, 1281x994
>>135756112

>adventures with Hanekawa around the world

Now this is a novel I can get behind!
>>
>>135757069
I don't like either of them, especially Kumagawa.
>>
File: 1447991526259.gif (239 KB, 300x401) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1447991526259.gif
239 KB, 300x401
>>135756997
>assblasted faggot
>desu

Really? That's the best you've got?
>>
>>135757020
>catfags in charge of having taste

Mary Sue characters are the worst.
>>
>>135757047
I don't really personally like Cat but she has too many good arcs and moments to call her worst
>>
>>135757132
Which ones do you like then?
>>
>>135742750
>watching that crap after bake
don't do this
only if you want to fap to the lolis.
>>
File: 1445291118592.jpg (94 KB, 785x662) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1445291118592.jpg
94 KB, 785x662
>>135757167
>Cat
>Mary Sue
>>
File: 1447218039157.png (601 KB, 963x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1447218039157.png
601 KB, 963x720
>>135757167
>Cat
>Mary Sue
>>
>>135757167
>first legitimate friend of Araragi but emotional pleas and cues are ignored
>Araragi gets a girlfriend that isn't Cat
>rejected by Araragi in her own final arc
>Mary Sue

I don't think you understand how this works anon
>>
File: 1418759352057.jpg (115 KB, 515x557) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1418759352057.jpg
115 KB, 515x557
>>135757167
>cat
>Mary Sue
>>
>>135745798
>but /a/ being a male dominated board
No, /a/ is filled with cute little girls and if you're not one of us you should get out.
>>
>>135757400
then what do you call her?
>>
>>135757502
Boring vanilla.
>>
>>135757502
Best girl.
>>
>>135757400
>>135757451
>>135757383

A Mary Sue is a character that is considered perfect by the other characters in the story. That is precisely what Hanekawa is.
>>
>>135750694
>Basically anti-monogatarifags proving themselves to be more cancerous than actual monogatarifags.
I'm impressed, being that cancerous takes dedication. Thanks to snakefag memes, Monogatarifags can be some of the worst /a/nons at times.
>>
>>135757317
>>135757383
>>135757400
I bet you faggots believe Rey isn't a Mary Sue either. Here's an all around good character who is not a Mary Sue.
>>
>>135757706
No it's a character that is actually perfect
>>
>>135756816
Take your revisionist history elsewhere and stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
>>
>>135757706

She's not though, and while it seems that way in Bake because of the presumption that she's more likely to be his girlfriend than Crab, a lot of characters call her out on her shit in later arcs starting with none other than Araragi himself.
>>
>>135757848
I don't even like Cat dude but calling her a Mary Sue is just incorrect. Munkey is top-tier though
>>
>>135757885
>Cat
>having shit on her

Nisio's favorite girl is perfect. Araragi, Senjougahara and Meme were wrong for calling her out. That's how Nisio wrote her.
>>
File: 1448318298504.png (712 KB, 1187x739) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1448318298504.png
712 KB, 1187x739
Didn't moeshit/shaft haters get told to instantly fuck off whenever they posted half a year ago? Are we allowing them to have their own thread now?
>>
>>135757858
so basically cat and kiss-shot apply as mary sues. good to know
>>
File: best shower.png (1 MB, 1280x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
best shower.png
1 MB, 1280x720
>>135758287
Does that mean Kaiki is a Mary Sue too?
>>
File: 4242456.jpg (33 KB, 640x440) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
4242456.jpg
33 KB, 640x440
>>135757848
>yuribait
>good character
>>
>>135758287
Cat is not even close, Kiss-Shot is kind of close because she's a crazy powerful vampire but she still fucked up plenty, like when she became a God and summoned the dark shit or in the alternate timeline
>>
>>135758473
Chuunibyou edgelords can't be mary sues
>>
File: 1449630647097.png (2 MB, 3889x4916) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1449630647097.png
2 MB, 3889x4916
>>135758478
No, Shinobu is literal perfection.
>>
>>135758610
Which means she's a Mary Sue, so she's more like a perfect turd.
>>
so everyone's a fucking mary sue
>>
File: 1445890876215.gif (504 KB, 500x561) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1445890876215.gif
504 KB, 500x561
>>135758685
You're basically saying "you're waifu is shit" because all anons have some girl they deem perfect.

So all waifu are Mary Sue? Wow very reflective anon.
>>
>>135758776
I wanna fuck you Mary Sue
>>
>>135758776
That's current /a/'s general consensus, yes. Everything is shit and filled with mary sues.
>>
>>135758776
Monkey, Snail and the fire sisters aren't.
>>
>>135758992
Snail is perfect.
>>
>>135759032
perfect pedo bait. she's not a mary sue
>>
File: bird.gif (415 KB, 500x197) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
bird.gif
415 KB, 500x197
>>135758992
Bird is perfection.
>>
File: 1450695407792.jpg (52 KB, 742x720) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1450695407792.jpg
52 KB, 742x720
>>135758992
Snail is perfection.
>>
>>135758992
Bee is perfection.
>>
>>135758776
Actually the real Mary Sue is probably Gaen
>>
>>135759445
Gaen is Nisio's self insert. A Mary Sue has to be generally well liked in the story and nobody really likes Gaen.
>>
>>135742750
Absolutely.
>>
>>135759648
So to be a Mary Sue you have to be well liked and perfect not just one or the other?
>>
>>135754868
I'd say you better not be implying what I think you're implying, but I'd either be taking your bait or proving your point
>>
>>135760677
DBZ is trash
>>
File: 1449421154549.jpg (177 KB, 1920x1080) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1449421154549.jpg
177 KB, 1920x1080
>>135758992
Monkey is a self insert of horny suffering.
>>
>>135742750
I recently marathoned the Monogatari series to see what all the hype is about. It's a well thought out series with good characters in a typical high school setting made extraordinary by it's great plot. Not to mention it has a mixture of appeals for everybody. The art throughout the series is even pretty good.

If it anyone is complaining about Monogatari being a meme anime or something that's ruining anime, they're just pissed about people liking something they don't like. There's worse things out there that have way more notoriety than the Monogatari series.
>>
>>135762710
like?
>>
>>135742750
I blame K-on.
>>
>>135763110
Madoka
I don't know what studio did madoka but Fuck them.
>>
>>135752145
>Hell you're lucky enough you didn't have to wait 6 years for it.
Don't fucking jinx it you moron.

Kizu part II never.
>>
>>135761158
what happened to her hand?
>>
>>135765549
The line disappeared to show tension because the thumb is pressed into the hand.
>>
>>135765549
Masturbation accident.
>>
>>135765666
Nice try Devil, I know what you did
>>
>>135757502
A cool person.
>>
>>135763298
Madoka and bakemono are done by the same studio...
>>
>>135757958
Yes you do you faggot. You can't deal with the fact that she's a total mary sue.
>>
>>135766721
She's in the bottom 3 with Snake and Doll tbqh
Thread replies: 311
Thread images: 55
Thread DB ID: 392357



[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vip /vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Search | Home]

[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vip /vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Search | Home]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the shown content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows their content, archived. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content, then use the post's [Report] link! If a post is not removed within 24h contact me at [email protected] with the post's information.