Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1363

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

Do we have an actual WaniKani shill hanging out in these threads? As in a WK employee with financial interest in WK's fiscal success?

DJT is pretty well known around 4chan and Reddit, both of which are large internet communities with a lot interest in Japanese, possibly even visited by the bulk of potential WK customers. DJT has shat all over WK and laughed at people stupid enough to actually use an inferior version of Anki that you have to pay for. It's undoubtedly lost them a fair bit of money. If I were a member of WK management, I'd definitely consider DJT's attitude towards WK to be a problem, especially during NYR season.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
We believe in the Australian promise; that if you work hard, you won't be left behind.

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Give up.

Anyone taking the JLPT this July? I'm gonna go for N2 this time.

>>135731199
Don't pay for dumb shit, man.

>確かにちょっとわかるかもしれない。
This fuckin' language

>>135731134
>It's undoubtedly lost them a fair bit of money
Haha, ok bud.

>>135731239
It's only $14. And I need some certificate for work.

>>135731199
if i can get a JCAT of at least 300 i'll step to the n1 in december.

When are we getting the scores from the last JLPT?

>>135731278

>Hey guys, I was thinking about using WaniKani. Does anybody have any experience with it?
>gets two posts telling him to fuck off to Reddit
>gets another two posts telling him that it's an inferior version of anki

How many times have you seen this happen in DJT?

>new learner enters DJT
>sees shitting on WaniKani
>crosses it off of their list of things to use forever; grabs anki instead

How many times do you think this has happened?

A large community hating your product has an influence on sales, whether you realize it or not.

>>135731134
Doubt it, I'm currently using WaniKani despite the squeals of autists here. Tried the free parts, liked it, paid for it.

>>135731478

Of course you doubt it, shill.

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この問い３は、ちょっと失礼じゃないかなとおもうんだよ。おにいちゃん
毎日入ってるよね？

>>135731474
Recently the memes went too hard and now the wk bashing got to a comical RTK level so people generally ignore both sides.

>It's a WaniKani thread.
DELETE THIS

Are there any good, cheap Japanese keyboards that I can buy without shipping from Japan? Typing Romaji to Japanese just feels wrong.

>>135731306
Your boss doesn't approve of your weeb tendencies, mate.

>>135731734
What if my boss is Japanese?

>>135731757

Probably even less so.

>>135731554

This coincidentally changed right around the end of December. NYR season.

DJT has never, ever been pro-WK. Last year's NYR season didn't do anything to change this at all. Yet suddenly, there's something resembling a debate? With the WK side largely trying to downplay and ignore the criticisms made against WK, that being that they artificially limit your progress, don't let you have control over your own deck, and that this is obviously done in the name of making you pay them more money (around the range $200 by the time that you finish, assuming that you don't miss sessions on the regular basis), and that the only reason to pay for it is because you're too stupid to learn how anki works and are so bad with your money that you can't figure out how much a monthly fee will eventually add up to?

It's really fucking suspicious. Either the WK supporters are actually all trolls, or there is a group of WK shills ITT.

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I really like this book "Chuukyuu Nihongo Bunpou Yoten Seiri Point 20" cause how it arranges and explains similar grammar points but it's a pity that there's no 上級 version.
Is there some similar grammar book like this but for 上級? I tried 総まとめ but it's kind of lackluster compared to this one.

>>135731904
Pretty sure it's mostly funposting. I made quite a few about WK recently.

>>135731974

You should probably stop doing that, unless you want real WK supporters to become commonplace in DJT.

>>135731904
You haven't even fucking tried WaniKani and you're still trying to shit on it.
Typical Anki slave.

>>135732150
It doesn't really matter in the end, people can try it for free. Use it or don't.

>>135732150
I used up WK's entire trial and quit it because it was teaching me made-up stuff.

>>135732254
How much can you actually do in the trial?

>>135731545
俺は週に2回だよ。

>>135732288
It gives you three "levels" of "radicals", kanji, and vocab. Check it yourself, just don't get dragged into its quagmire.

>>135732317
Just remembered someone ripped the whole service to an anki deck and I'm sure the first three levels are the same. Check it through that instead.

Someone make another /qa/ thread about WK. That was hilarious.

>>135731134
Eh, WK's main audience is normies. As in, people who plan on taking college courses, meeting tutors, practicing writing and enjoy "nice communities." Even if people bash on WK here it's pretty easy to ignore since all of 4chan basically hates everything and DJT cant even agree on the best way to use Anki.

>>135732150

I can tell you what I do know:

When I finish Core 6k, it'll be about 8-9 months after I started it. The fact that this isn't as fast as some is even more of a testament to how slow WK is compared to how fast you can be when you're motivated in anki.

I'm about to start writing production. I estimate that it will take 3-4 months, and given what I've learned to date, I can't see myself floundering. Again, using anki.

So, 10 months or so for 2200 kanji and 6k words. How much did I pay for this? $200? $100 $10? No. I paid $0 to accomplish what WaniKani charges $200 *minimum* for in a faster time than WaniKani.


>>135732227

This isn't one of those things to "agree to disagree" on, like whether your favorite movie is actually good, or whether some untested policy with equal evidence for and against will work. WK is inferior to anki by every objective measure. There's no reason to use it.

>>135732410
What the FUCK do non-WK things have to do with how bad WK is?

>>135732405
The old one is still up, you bellend.

>>135732426
I'm not saying it's not bad. I'm saying DJT isn't as big and influential on WK as you want it to be. Jesus, get a life.

>>135732420
>about to start writing production
Looooool.

>>135732466
Quote someone who wants to be influential on WK.

>>135732410
>New IP
>>135732466
>Buyer's remorse in action

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>>135732291
えんがちょ
You have a porcine body.

>>135732478

>>135731134
This person said DJT made WK lose money. I seriously doubt that since speed based NEET language learners aren't WK's audience. They want it to be influential so it can feed their WK paranoia.

>>135732508

>wrong and get back to studying you idiot

>>135732288
Translation note: WK includes more real kanji as radicals than Kangxi does. So the radical counts are inflated compared to a Kangxi deck.

Level 1:
26 radicals
18 kanji
41 vocab

Level 2:
35 radicals
38 kanji
79 vocab

Level 3:
21 radicals
33 kanji
64 vocab

>>135732291
there's a reason we call them yuropoors

Perhaps a good way to stop talking about WK would be to stop obsessing over it everytime it comes up. Just post the pastebin or whatever and move on.

>>135732581
Oh, that's what you're talking about.

It's very common for company employees to astroturf in reclusive communities that shit all over them. Especially on 4chan.

I don't know about "lose money" in the way you're reading it. Anon is very obviously referring to opportunity profit.

>I seriously doubt that since speed based NEET language learners aren't WK's audience.
Believe it or not, DJT is not all "speed based NEET language learners".

>>135732693
Post the greentext instead.
>Contains literally wrong information
>Artificially limits your progress by making up radicals etc that don't exist
>Artificially limits your speed even if you want to faster; even if you go as fast as possible you can only go as fast as a normal anki user
>Locked in to it, you can't export your scheduling information
>Tells you whether you got something right, have to go outside the normal system to make "dad" a synonym for "father"
>The scheduling system is objectively inferior to Anki's
>Only customization is browser mods like scriptish
>Eventually ends and you're fucked if you want more content
>Costs money

So should I do RTK? I feel like Core2k is kicking my ass.

>>135731466
google it

WaniKani is an inferior RTK clone that locks normalfags in with pretty colors and funny memes like "The narwhal bacons at midnight xD". Anyone that falls for that on their own isn't worth saving, but I won't stand for people shilling for it. The lock-in means even an intelligent person who was only momentarily deceived will become biased in favor of it.

>>135732565

You teach me words even when you post in english.

I remember a link from here to some university website with grammar guides. In particular, there was one with a succinct of は and が. Does anyone still remember the website?

>唯一の趣味は勝手なポエム批評とゴミ箱漁あさり。特に最後が字面だけだと問題に発展しそうだ。

>My only interests were selfish ("pretentious?") poem criticism and rooting through garbage.

This second sentence though. I don't get it. What is 字面 referring to exactly?
問題に発展しそうだ? This seemed to become a problem?

>>135732751
Nah, don't bother. You'd just have RTK kicking you in the head with pointless knowledge in the place of core.

>>135732420

Oh right, I forgot.

After I finish Core 6k, I can continue reviewing for as long as I want at no charge. I can even move my mining decks into Core 6k and have just one deck. As long as I'm using anki, I'll

After you stop paying WK, you're out on your ass. If you want to review what you've learned, you have to start over, likely using, guess what, anki! What you should have been using from day 1!

I don't really think WK is as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

>>135733624
It's pretty bad.

anus

>>135732889
and on second look the first sentence looks to contain a metaphor of some sort?
i'm probably done with this book for now after this, it's way too hard for me

>>135733624

If it were the only game in town that did anything along the lines of what it does, it wouldn't be ideal, but it would probably still be the best way to go.

However, it becomes terrible when you consider that the ideal actually does exist, and that it doesn't charge you $200 to show you all of its content, which cuts off at an intermediate level, and then throw you out on your face. On the contrary, it's a tool that can be used however the user likes, and for as long as the user needs it, at no charge. There's no reason for WK to even exist when anki and Core decks are a thing.

>>135733799
We've been over this, some people learn better from the structure of WaniKani.

>>135733799
We've been over this, some people profit more from the structure of WaniKani.

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>shills everywhere

looks like its time to update those word filters

>>135733967
Nice!

>>135733891

WK offers nothing that you can't do with anki. Just use Core and KD, and you pretty much have WK.

If you're so lazy that you would drop $200 and delay your results because you couldn't be assed to spend 30 minutes to figure out how to use a program properly, that's a big personal flaw that you need to get over. If you're so lazy that you have to pay $200 to keep yourself motivated, that's possibly an even bigger flaw. If you need a support group, the WK community is like surrounding yourself with fat people who go out to get pizza after the gym when you're trying to get fit. You'd do better to surround yourself with ripped /fit/izens who will boost your confidence and make you sure of your ability to reach your goals. In either case, the solution isn't to run to WK to pay them to accommodate your flaws, the solution is to stop being a fucking idiot.

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>>135734023
Have you purchased your very own hug box yet?
I think this model would suit your needs pretty well.

>>135734101
If only core progressed in a sensible order. The newspaper popularity is bullshit. The deck sucks.

>>135734101

Also, if you benefit from being robbed of all ability to plan and tweak your learning based on your own personal needs, your life pretty much fucked.

Finances? Fucked.
Diet and exercise? Fucked.
Career? Forever stuck as a lacky, and probably not even ideal in that regard.

If WK sounds better to you on account of the idea that you want to have your hand held every step of the way, it's time to take a good look at yourself.


>>135734251

99% of the cards in that deck are extremely common. There's nothing sucky about it. On the contrary, compared to a mined deck which could potentially have rare words all over the place in the beginning, it's good to have those words stacked at the front.

>>135734251
Those words are all still something you need to learn. You can always suspend the ones you don't want to learn right now and do them once you reach the end of the deck

>all these filthy beginners struggling with core and RTK as I read my COMPELLING CONTENT

When will I get to a point in Japanese where every new word won't feel completely foreign to me, like when I find a new word in English

>>135734495
What is your compelling content?

>tfw 5.5 inch penis

>>135735150

6.5 here

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Reminder that you can learn Japanese. 頑張って

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>>135735735
thanks horrific purple monkey man

>>135735768
God I hate women.

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>>135734023
Anyone hoodwinked into using WK will just end up crushed by it's pace, anyway.

$5 a month for WK sounds pretty good honestly.

>>135735818

Yea, I was pretty disgusted by that image too.

>>135735916
Money isn't the issue, Anki is just better as SRS and as flashcards. Remember, you CANNOT edit cards in wanikani or choose which cards to learn in WK, that's the deal breaker for me, even ignoring the SRS faults. Though this has been discussed to death by now.

new to these threads.
how long did it take you guys to understand what someone was saying ?

>>135735971
6 months and I still can't read or understand speaking. Good luck my nigga.

how do u guys play these fucking vns? I downloaded virtual novel reader but it doesn't tell me what the fuckin kanji are it just gives me some shitty english translation?

>>135735943
$5 bucks though.

>>135735971
Imagine 100 puzzle pieces
Every day you learn 1 piece
you will know 10% of the puzzle after collecting 10 pieces, but won't know 90%
languages learning is kind of like that. it won't be long before you understand 10% of stuff you encounter. it'll be awhile before you understand 95%-100%

>>135735971

8 months in Wanikani. I can understand words like "oishi" and "bakemono" but anything else is too complicated and gets mixed up. Rumor has it that it picks up further so I think I'll be able to understand more soon.

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>>135736014
1) Shoulda gone chiitrans lite brah
2) Fiddle with settings, you can make it look like pic related I'm sure
>>135736015
The important thing is time spent in WK is essentially time wasted. That's more important than... spending $5?

>The important thing is time spent in WK is essentially time wasted
You guys are becoming a parody of yourselves now. It isn't Rosetta Stone

>>135736082
I said essentially. I don't think Wanikani is *that* bad. I just think it's worse than Anki and less effective, so in the first place using it is wasting time. Especially since you'll end up on Anki in the end anyway.

You won't fail if you use Wanikani, it's not a meat grinder like RS. But it is pretty much objectively worse than an existing tool, so there is literally 0 reason to use it as far as I can tell. It'd just be a waste of time.

>>135735833
memoroze
>>135736082
It's called false flagging.

>>135736082
Rosetta stone is actually good though
>>135736063
I was told VNs are the hyperbolic time chamber for learning Japanese. I hope this works. Thanks.

>>135736036
is it something you have to be quite persistent on learning ? like , work hard etc.

>>135736052
Wanikani ?

User IDs would greatly improve the quality of these threads.

>>135736137
I'm being serious.
>>135736145
You have to study every day. Learn new words, study grammar, do reading practice. It's as hard as you make it, and the harder you go the faster you learn. You can take it somewhat easy and still succeed though.
>>135736140
VNs were by far the most important part of successfully learning Japanese for me because they were the only things I could keep focused on reading. Good luck.

>>135736162

The greatest in nihongo(japanese) benkyou(learning) technology.

>>135736165
shills will just get around it, ip reset, proxy, whatever

>>135736209
Yes, IDs are a false sense of security at best.

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１月７日はななくさだよ。おにいちゃん
>七草
せりなずなごぎょうはこべらほとけのざ
はこべはこべらはるのななくさ

is the djt dead when there isnt anyone baiting about wanikani, or is this a recent phenomenon? Also, what happened to the kanji of the day?

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>>135736063
I couldn't handle that setup. I need everything centered.

>>135736296
>Also, what happened to the kanji of the day?
You're like 2-3 years late
the guy who did that quite the thread, no one else cares
>>135736300
That was a fake setup I made for demonstration purposes. I ended up with the texthooker the top right though. That way I wouldn't look at the hooker instead of the actual text. At the time I used furigana, so it was tempting.

>>135736300
>not having DJT in the background

>>135732896
"ゴミ箱漁り"
It is sometimes a crime in Japan.
It becomes troublesome things when interpret it literally.

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>>135736275

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>ここを押せば今までの事全部皆に送信されるけど。。。自分で押してみてよ
Was fapping to this but no idea what this line is trying to say with those 押せば / 押してbits. If you push/force it yourself everyone will know, so try doing it yourself? The fuck?

For context he's blackmailing her after finding out she was a webcam slut under the name みなつ while normally she's shy and timid, as on the previous dialogue segment I put in there.

>>135736350
wot

http://strawpoll.me/6463555

>>135736350
It is too distracting, so I minimize it. I have to change my current tab too or else I am constantly looking at the taskbar to see if there are new posts.

>>135736411
I like my laptop more than my desktop.

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>>135736446

>>135736407
probably push a button to film and upload or some shit, 押す is used like that all the time

>>135736506
Hey man leave me alone.

>>135736015

You realize that it's not just $5, right? Or is your brain incapable of thinking further than a few minutes into the future, like a dog?

If you were offered a $150 product, but they stated that you could pay in $5 increments, is that $5, or is it $150? When you're done paying, how much money have you spent? You could have spent that $150 on literally anything else, too. A nice new jacket? $150 towards a SSD? Your savings, which you could have used to pay your electricity bill before it got shut off because you're horrible with money?

That's what WK is doing. It's not a $5 or a $10 product. It's a monthly fee which will add up to a fairly noteworthy amount before you're done. They artificially limit your progress in order to make sure that they get at least the REAL full cost of their product... which impacts you not only financially, but also in that it takes what could be a 6 month task and turns it into a 18 month task. You're just another sucker who wasn't smart enough to see through their wording. You could have passed the N1 before you finished WaniKani and been out $0. Instead, you paid $100+ and are 4000 words behind. Also, if you want to review, I hope that you're ready to continue paying that low, low monthly fee until you're done with flash cards!

>>135732420
You haven't even fucking finished core 6k and you're trying to tell people how to learn Japanese? Piss off.

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I'm baaaaaaaack!

Favorite word of the day: 臥薪嘗胆
「がしんしょうたん」To do anything to get your way.

>>135736300
how do i get it to go in a wordpad?

>>135736754
That sums up pretty much all of DJT.

>>135736407
>>135736547
There's no camera or anything in the scene though, and recording isn't mentioned there, doesn't seem to make sense.

Here's a link to the gallery if more context might help someone figure this out: http://g.e-hentai.org/s/13692a58b8/720749-59

>>135736767
You got nice writing. My sloppy handwriting transferred over to Japanese it seems.

>>135736767

Fuck off.

>>135736767

四字熟語 thread?

I like 捲土重来.

>>135736769
That is Translation Aggregator, not Wordpad. If you are using ITH, then the line is already on the clipboard, so you could paste it into Wordpad.

>>135736898
how do i use it?

Tried asking this a couple of times last week but no one knew, guess I'll try again.

How would I go about saying,"I hope X did/didn't happen" when the event is in the past but you don't know the outcome. E.g. "I hope it didn't rain on your way here". Instinctively I'd go 雨が降らなかったといいです but apparently that's not grammatical, and doesn't seem to be any なかったといい on google besides when it's used as 言い. And 雨が降らなかったらいいです as the -たら conditional form doesn't seem to convey tense, and if I go 雨が降らなかったら良かった that expresses regret at something that did happen.

So how the shit do I do it?

>Another sheltered retard defending a scam he doesn't understand

>>135736798

People like you tend to be poor no matter how much money you make.

You want to hear the secret to not being a poorfag? DON'T THROW AWAY MONEY LIKE YESTERDAY'S GARBAGE. Prioritize. Consider what you need. Then consider what you really, really want. Spending money on anything else should be a moderately rare occurrence.

You don't need WaniKani. You shouldn't even want it. It's a waste of money, and a waste of time.

>>135736936
Use this instead https://alexbft.github.io/chiitrans/

>>135737004
I downloaded it but I don't how to make it save the text in game.

>>135736987
I think I'll be ok spending $5 a month on Anki, kiddo. Thanks for the concern.

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>furigana that isn't the actual reading

had to draw that shit out with my mouse in google translate, why are the japanese so intent on making their language infuriating to learn

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>>135736300
Mine is like yours, except I use chiitrans and disabled any color formatting / furigana (so the texthooker is just plain text) and I have the browser open to the right with DJT and a tab with just a textbox to copy paste stuff from the texthooker to mine words with rikai.

>>135737028
You could have used the furigana instead of the actual kanji and gotten the same general meaning. That's what the author intended.

>>135737032
>anti-wanikani shilling
Kill yourself, actual shill.

How do you fall for this WaniKani troll every single day?

>>135737066
It's extremely obvious that at least half the anti-wanikani posts are written by one autistic shill.

>>135737092
How do you shill /against/ the /only/ thing that /costs money/?

Second, I'm definitely the most vicious anti-wanikani poster and I haven't even done anything this thread except for post the greentext and >>135737066

>>135737092
>this is what he actually believes

>>135737115
Anki has a 20$ phone app and is probably going to make desktop anki paid in some form in the future. Stop pretending there's nothing to shill for.

>>135736968
ここに来るまで雨降らなかった？大丈夫？

>>135737139
>Anki has a 20$ phone app
Yeah, if you have an iOS device. You can also use ankiweb on an iOS device. You can always use anki for free, period.
>and is probably going to make desktop anki paid in some form in the future
Locking down FOSS? Good luck with that. Stop posting about things you literally know *nothing* about.

>>135737025

Here's another way that you lose money that likely flies right over your head because you don't see money as finite, don't understand budgeting, and don't see further than the current pay period: Do you have any financial goals regarding Japanese? Are you planning to apply it to your career, for instance?

WK can delay you by a year or more. That's a full year that you could have enjoyed a larger paycheck. And as the saying goes, time is indeed money. Beyond the initial cost of the product, how much did the delay brought about WK cost you? $5k? $10k?

>>135737141

There has to be a way to specifically state it as a wish/desire, not just two questions, surely Japanese isn't that lacking in flexibility.

Surely someone here is N1 and everyone isn't here just to argue about wanikani bullshit rite?

>>135736603
better be a damm good laptop

>>135737185
ここに来るまで雨が降らなかったらいいけど。

>>135737162
The people in charge of anki have literally said they are considering monetizing their service. Stop trying trying to pretend you aren't a shill.

>>135737200
I'm not a /v/ degenerate so a laptop is perfectly fine with me.

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>>135737221
https://github.com/dae/anki
I repeat.
Locking down FOSS? Good luck with that. Stop posting about things you literally know *nothing* about.

>>135737212

So just need to add context by highlighting the fact it's in the past then with ここに来るまで and the such? Ok I suppose...

>>135737221
Not part of your shit fight, so genuine question - What requires you to be up to date with anki? I'm still using an old version without issue.

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>>135736968
日本語っぽいいいかただと

>崩れましたね。降られましたか

だとおもうよ。おにいちゃん

I wish Anki was paid. That would put you little shits in your place.

>>135737294
If anki were paid it would motivate me to finish my own flashcards program.

>>135737268
それ全然違うから。変な日本語教えるのやめて。

>>135737294

If I weren't so lazy, I'd take one of those "sonyfag tears" pictures that you see flying around /v/ all the time and put the WK logo on the clothes.

>>135737337
Give me the sonyfag tears picture and I'll do it.

>>135737294
Depends how much it was. If it was something like $20 I'd still pay for it instead of WK. If WK were free but I still had to use the site instead of Anki, I still wouldn't use it. Hell, I'd still pay the $20 for Anki if I had to in that situation. If it were a subscription for Anki, then I'm sure someone else would make a flashcard program that's close to as good.

>tfw I thought paying $5 a month for WK was fine but now I'm on the streets sucking dick for my next SRS hit.
At least the library is warm ...

>>135737294
I've read some spastic posts in djt but this one takes the cake.

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>>135737328
but isn't he/she like the only native, or do we have more lurkers..watching

>>135737268

You mean natives would just say 降られましたか? to express "I hope it didn't rain on your way here"?

Okay, will remember along with >>135737212 I suppose, shame this language can be so limited at times.

>>135736987
>>135737180
Your posts reek of a kid that still lives with his parents.

>>135737570
wanifag tears

>>135737582
I just wanted to try and get another paragraph out of him.

>>135737621
Kill yourself.

>>135737562
Nah natives would say: 雨降らなかった？ And they get that you hope that it didn't rain for them.

>>135737762
So then what's the imouto getting at with:
>崩れましたね。降られましたか
?

I just finished Tobira, can read common words that use a little over 1300 kanji and am currently living in Japan. I was planning on taking the N2 this year, but I want to go straight for N1. How difficult would it be to pass it in that time?

>>135736407
There isn't any context that could change the meaning from "If you press here, everything you've done thus far will be sent to everyone... try it", it's a very clear sentence.

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>Reading LOGH
>Its destroying me but im having more fun than I do usually when reading
Its almost like im brand new at japanese again with all these new words

>>135738173
its like people dont come he to learn japanese, they just want to suffer

>>135738195
?
But im having fun,I dont think I would consider that suffering or not learning japanese

>>135738173
>Trying a space opera
Where would you rank your skill level?

>>135738159

Guess I'll just assume he's holding a smartphone off screen then, since the scene just has them on the bed with no electronics/etc in sight or discussed.

>>135731466
Should be at the end of January, but there's a weekend, so maybe February 1st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFpN84WGqQU

Why aren't you using this method to learn Japanese fast and efficiently?

>>135739406
Who the fuck is this string bean

>>135739406
Someone giving you fast and efficient Japanese learning advice such as "associate "ka" with a "car" and write it down"

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How long would I need to get to a level where I can understand most of the hentai manga there are with only little help from a translator? I don't want to speak or write the language at all, I just want to be able to read it on a certain level.

>>135739732
Just hentai manga? I can read some doujins and I've literally done nothing but watch english-subbed anime, read half of tae kim's basics section, and extensively read wikipedia to the point where I don't think there's much left I can learn about japanese linguistics without being fluent.

>>135739732

Most of it with only little help? Probably a year at the very least assuming you don't study constantly, while it's not exactly the deepest of literatures even hentai requires knowing kanji and grammar.

>>135738775
Dont know, probably low intermediate

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"All kanji include furigana. Easy vocabulary. Good to start with."
This is the description for Hanahira in the reading list, yet I've seen no furigana in this game so far, forcing me to understand the vocals to find out the meaning of some words, which can be hard sometimes, especially when the MC can't make a difference between あandお.
Is there more than one version of the game? Am I doing something wrong? Are furigana actually only on rare kanji? Is the reading list wrong?
I just want to enjoy an beginner tier VN after my daily Anki, grammar and kanji drilling. ;_;

>>135739887
You mean absolute upper lower intermediate hell soldier?

>>135739732
2 years

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>>135739904
Yes

>>135739903
>which can be hard sometimes, especially when the MC can't make a difference between あandお.
I get this. I really do. But I'll help.

The japanese お can be anywhere from o to ɒ, though it's usually ɔ. The japanese あ can be anywhere from a to ɑ, though it's usually ä.

Here's the tricky part: Most english dialects have lost the distinction between a and ɑ. And we don't have ɒ at all, so it just sounds like ɑ. Everything from a to ɒ sounds like ä to us. And our o is a range between o, ɔ, and ʌu; it doesn't go to ɒ.

You just have to get yourself used to ɒ indicating o instead of ɑ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_vowel_chart_with_audio

>>135739991
Thing is, she's reading あ as ɒ.
Maybe it is just because she's still half asleep, or maybe moe lolis have a weird dialect, but it's definitely ɒ, no matter how many times I repeat the vocals.
Plus my native language is French, which I think doesn't give as many difficulties to understand the Japanese pronunciation.

>>135740191
What line are you at?

>>135739406
>Hellsing
>Gurran Lagann
Closed straight away. He obviously didn't have anything good to say.

>>135740191
She probably isn't, you're just a deaf cunt.

I really don't understand why listening ability is so terrible here. Haven't you all been watching anime for years?

I guess ESL retards explain it, never seen an Anglo complaining about speech.

>>135731199
I might go for N1

>>135740209
I only read until Amane wakes up. No point reading further when I just started Tae Kim and Anki, especially with the lack of furigana.

>>135740297
5th line of the game, 「あれ？私、布団かけてない」, if that あ is a ɑ and not a ɒ, then yes, I'm most likely deaf. But you'll most likely won't check because you're just here to enjoy shitting without knowledge of what you are talking about.

>>135740478
Sounds like it's a slightly late audio cut-in, but that's clearly still an あ, and it's much closer to an ɑ than a ɒ. おれ sound like ɒ, and that's very clearly distinct from あれ.

I don't know if it's just a Frenchy thing where you don't have good ears or something, or you haven't listened to enough dialogue to be able to differentiate fucking vowels.

>>135740478
I'd answer you but my windows XP vm is bust so I can't run hanahira. Anyone know how to bypass windows xp activation in a VM?

>>135740658
Just watch the video like I did, I can't be fucked finding where I installed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l9L076TRXw

>>135740658
>Anyone know how to bypass windows xp activation in a VM
Use one of the volume license keys that are floating around and have been working for years?

>>135740682
This is my problem: it thinks it's already activated. I think I tried breaking the activation with regedit and ruined it worse.
>>135740671
Yeah that whole line is rotated to ɑ and o, no problems here.

>>135740647
Well I guess I am deaf then.
I still want to know why the reading list lied to me about the game having furigana or how do I get them if I can actually have them.
Is there any real beginner VN with furigana or will I need to stick to reading manga until I get a good kanji knowledge?

>>135740799
Use a fucking text hooker.

>>135740799
Just use a texthooker if furigana is the only thing stopping you?

>>135740815
>>135740823
/djt/'s ITH doesn't work on my pc. Is there any other good one?

>>135740900
chiitrans

>>135740725
I forced it to boot into "safe mode with cmd" by holding f8 inside the VM's bios and selecting the obvious options to get there. Then I ran Rundll32.exe syssetup,SetupOobeBnk which resets the activation period to 30 days from now (apparently).

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>>135740919
Thanks Anon, this one works nicely (except it gives a 403 forbidden error but it reads and translates anyway so I don't care). Now I can learn Japanese and use Chiitrans instead of waiting 4 years for a VN to be translated.

>>135740297
Anglos are the only to ever have problems with speech.

>>135740671
>listened
おれ？　にも聞こえるな。

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THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FOUR CARDS LEFT BOYSSSSSSSSSS

>>135741570
I bet your funny accent makes you so salty, which is why you have to invent shit like this.

And speech is completely different from listening.

>>135741667
This card shouldn't be allowed on a blue board.

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>>135741673
>I bet your funny accent makes you so salty, which is why you have to invent shit like this.

You stupid faggot this is what happens when an anglo tries to speak anything other than his own "language".
Every single other country has no problems in pronouncing the 2 sounds the jap language has.

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勘弁してくれ

>>135741772
Benny is French/Spanish, you frog fucker.

>>135741851
anglo lies

>>135741772
This is why I don't do speaking practice

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>>135741868

>>135741929
>"in Spain" means someone is Spanish

>>135741951
The taint can never be removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMTYnfTI97Y

kek

>>135741772
i feel like id be disturbed if they didnt laugh, either they're deaf or dont give a shit

if they really want a chuckle id be happy to pull down my pants for a gander at the microcock

>>135741851
He's Irish and lives in New York.

>>135741772
>>135742022
Is the issue really his pronunciation or the fact he looks and talks like a mentally challenged person?

>>135742558
They're not exactly mutually exclusive

>>135742558
The issue is he doesn't know japanese.

>>135742603
なにこれ

>>135742584
Please. He was well on the way to mastering it. In only one month after that video he was fluent in it.

>>135742022
This is a seasoned language learner

>>135740478
>I only read until Amane wakes up. No point reading further when I just started Tae Kim and Anki, especially with the lack of furigana.
You might be wrong. I started reading visual novels when I was just starting out with RTK, no prior grammar/vocab knowledge, and I learned a lot. It's a bit difficult at first, but after some time you start recognizing certain words and it gets easier. As I read, I was adding cards with whole sentences and furigana (taken from jisho, AGTH/ITH help a lot with looking up words since you can just copy them). They were mostly production cards for kanji with extra vocab explanations on the back.

While it might not work for everyone, I find this way much more enjoyable than the usual textbook drills.

>>135743246
Yeah, it is not needed to know a lot of vocabulary and kanji before starting, as long as you got ITH or Chiitrans, but I want at least to have grammar's basics done with because unlike kanji and vocabulary, grammar isn't simple to fully understand just by reading manga and VN.

>>135742558
The biggest problem is that his pronunciation matches his looks.

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What's this あざと grammar construct mean? All I can find is あざとい which seems to be unrelated.

>>135743435
I'm guessing that it's some kind of onomatopoeia, similar to ざっと (not in meaning, but in construction).

>>135743435
This has been bothering me for a long time as well.

>>135743435
http://blog.livedoor.jp/gurgur717/archives/51481479.html

>>135743435
Isn't Azato a name?

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IT IS TOO LATE NOW
YOU WAITED TOO LONG

YOUR PROCRASTINATION WAS YOUR DOWNFALL

>1 in 10 chance that Yellowstone is about to awaken
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/632054/Yellowstone-about-to-blow-1-in-10-chance-super-volcano-will-kill-millions

>>135744015
So it's a play on this 'あざと可愛い' portmanteau?

>>135744093
Phew good thing I have a flight booked to Mars with my 40TB weeb collection

>>135743435
「あざと死」 ＝ あざとさの程があまりにもひどくて、それが耐えられなくて死ぬこと

だと思います
ただの推測にすぎないけど

>>135744093
>I will stay and die in my room and continue learning Japanese as the world is engulfed in fire and ash and the muslim horde is finally destroyed
I'm okay with this death

>>135744093
Flee to Japan now.

>>135744093
I guess we don't need to build the wall now.

>>135744093
Oh no, a 10% chance of dying in the next 80 years. Pretty sure those are better odds than my diet gives me.

>>135744207
This is what I would assume too

>>135744273
Don't forget that it's going to kill anime too.

>>135744207
Fuck this language.

>>135744273
I think it's a 10% chance each year of it blowing up since it could blow up at any time but it will definitely blow up within 80 years at the latest

>listening to NHK news every day
>always hear things like
一方、ユーロに対しては、去年の年末に比べて１円８５千円高ユーロ安の、１ユーロ＝１２９円８１千～８５千でした

>it makes no sense, finally look it up
>it's 一方、ユーロに対しては、去年の年末に比べて１円８５銭円高ユーロ安の、１ユーロ＝１２９円８１銭～８５銭でした。

>>135744402
No, stop reading dumb fear-mongering. It's a 10% chance of it blowing in the next 80 years.

>>135744473
Tomorrow is within 80 years!

>>135744616
Yeah, but there's only a 0.00034% chance of it blowing up tomorrow.

>>135744616
If the probability of it erupting is equally distributed among the next 80 years then the chance of it erupting any given day is roughly 10% / (80 * 365) = 0,0003%

>>135744093
Wanikani shills won't be able to evacuate in time because there's a hard limit on the rate they can move.

>>135744762
Which is roughly 1 in 300,000 by the way.

>>135744810
Anki shills won't be able to evacuate either, because they're too poor to own a car.

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>>135744093

IT'S HAPPENING

>Multiple earthquakes in Southern California are shaking Yellowstone right now

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci37510616#general_summary
http://abc7.com/live/23343/

SHAKE THE BABY
WAKE IT UP

>>135744841
>people don't use WK because they don't have the money to spare
That's a new one.

>>135744762
>>135744750
Is this how probability works? It doesn't sound like it should be this simple.

>>135744841
They'd have the money for a car because they don't constantly waste it on pointless bullshit like Wanikani

>>135744880
>>135744900
Most of the angry whiners are nothing but sad basement neets.

>Thinking you can drive away if Yellowstone blows

Can't escape the ash, bud. The entire planet would die within a couple years from famine / drought / war / exposure. Only people in well stocked underground bunkers are going to be able to wait it out.

>>135744933
Or they want to actually learn Japanese instead of paying money to go much slower and learn incorrect information

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>>135744093
Is meme magic real?

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No worries, guys. Trump will come up with a plan to fix Yellowstone.

>>135745066
Sometimes I can't tell if the Trump shit is just people meming or if he's actually liked here (I don't really understand why if so).

>>135744888
Say you know that there's a 70% chance you will skip your reps once this week. You also know that there isn't any day in which you are particularly more or less likely to skip them (just assume that's true), and that you'll never skip your reps more than once a week. What is the chance that you will skip them tomorrow?

>>135744941
Literally all you need is a couple of years worth of food, and if you don't have a bunker filled with a few thousand tins at this point, you might be a fucking moron.

In terms of cost, it's a few hundred dollars to have enough food to last you a few years.

>>135745104
What day is it?

How affected would I be by this eruption if I don't live in burgerland?

>>135745097
Trump is infinitely better than those other losers who're trying to become the president.

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What is that?

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?

>>135745141
And have I skipped them yet? (I should know this)
>>135745154
You would lose all your food if you don't live on rice and locally prepared fish.

>>135745175
〆, what else would it be?

>>135745154
It'll blot out the sun for a few years, causing a worldwide food shortage and probably leading to a societal collapse as people kill each other over a tin of beans.

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>>135745097
The choice is between a boring old lady that is likely a criminal and THE MASTER OF MEMES that frog posts on twitter while running for President

Trump is far more interesting and so he has my vote.

>>135745141
>>135745176
It's the morning of the first day in the described week and you haven't done your reps for that day yet.

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>>135745209
Well not a fucking character apparently.

>>135745175
〆切 is a practical way of writing 締め切り which is widely adopted.

>>135745164
Trump would get literally nothing done, neither side of congress likes him and would shoot down the retarded bills he proposes before they leave his office.

actually, I hope he wins so that by the end of his four year term we can look back and laugh at /pol/ for thinking he would revolutionize america.

>>135745210
Oh, so I'd only have to worry if I were poor, as usual.

>>135745175
Are you blind?

It's the handle of a bent rapier.

>>135745104
This is really difficult I guess I really can't learn Japanese.

>>135745297
Money won't mean much when the lower classes are breaking into your house and police forces fall apart.

>>135745295
As long as he doesn't fuck with my anime or anime piracy

>>135745295
Nah, he'll make a deal with the congress. He's a great businessman.

>>135745295
>neither side of congress likes him
He doesn't need congress to like him, he just needs them to fear him and he can find plenty of creative and interesting ways to do that.

Most of what we need to fix the immigration probably is already on the books anyway. If we had a president that would enforce the laws already on the books then the problem would take care of itself for the most part.

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>>135745097
Because whatever Trump may be, he is not a politician. People appreciate that. He speaks his mind, even if it's not politically correct or outright racist. People appreciate that because even the most ardent progressives, if they look deep down, have to admit that they'd rather live around whites and minorities that act like whites than somewhere infested with violent negroes, violent cholos, and anti-Western Muslims.

>>135745215
That's kind of where I am. If it comes down to Hillary vs Trump, might as well vote for Trump. At worst they have equal chances of damaging the country, but at least Trump would be entertaining while doing it.

>>135745320
What if I put it this way? Since you will never skip more than once, there are only 8 possible outcomes to the week: you skip on Monday, you skip on Tuesday, [...], you skip on Sunday or you don't skip at all. Each of them has a certain probability of happening and the must all add up to 100%. The probability that you don't skip is 30%, since there's a 70% chance you will skip, and the remaining seventy percent must be equally distributed among the remaining candidates because you're assuming none of them is more likely to happen than the other, so there's a 10% chance of each outcome happening, hence a 10% chance you'll skip them tomorrow.

>>135744853
1. California has earthquakes literally every day.

2. Yellowstone is 800 miles from Southern California.

>>135745210
The fall of the US and EU is well worth the cost.

Where do you get raw manga from?

Looking to read Planetes to mine some scientific terms and space shenanigans.

>>135747150
The CoR has Planetes

>>135744093
>>135744273
>>135744853
Geologist here. Science journalism in the UK is even worse than in the US. The report that article refers to doesn't even mention Yellowstone other than to say the last eruption there was 640,000 years ago. The report claims a 5-10% probability for a VEI7 event anywhere in the world during the 21st century. Those numbers seem to be pulled directly from somebody's ass, but even so the last big Yellowstone eruption was a VEI8, which are at least an order of magnitude less frequent.

There is no evidence for another major caldera-forming eruption at Yellowstone any time soon. There have only been two intercaldera periods in the last 2.4 million years, which isn't enough to reasonably estimate recurrence intervals. The USGS puts the probability of another major caldera-forming eruption ever happening at Yellowstone 0.0001%.

>>135747150
I get everything from NT, if I can't find it there I buy it.

Yes I could search on PD but I'm not going to host 40GB of CP, encrypted as it may be, on my machine. The fact that PD is closed-source makes it even less reliable. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

>>135747621
Just get everyone to switch to gnunet.

>>135747659
Sounds good.

I'm an idiot, do this one.

http://strawpoll.me/6465929

>>135747874
How the hell am I supposed to know? The size of my anki deck stopped being an accurate approximation of my vocab a long time ago.

>>135747874
Where is the option for people who did Core 40k

>>135747995
>15k+
If you're going to make unfunny jokes at least do it right.

>>135748040
>Core 40k a joke
I see you've been here for a whole 2 weeks.

>>135747995
Just put down that you wasted your time.

>>135747874
How the fuck am I supposed to know?

>>135747874
I know 5k words, all thanks to WaniKani.

>>135748118
Seriously, I can't tell if you're shilling or just thinking you're that smart kid who posts all the cool memes on 4chan and makes people pissed, but you should kill yourself either way, so just do it quick.

>>135748295
>i will throw a tantrum if you like a method that i don't like

Yeah, aren't you one fun lad to have around.

>oculus rift pre-orders
>US 600$ + shipping
>EU 700€ + shipping
>need a 1000+ dollarydoo computer to even run games for it properly
No Anki in VR for me

Why isn't ではありません でありません? ありません isn't an adjective...

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>>135748497
>US 600$ + shipping
Ah man, I said if it was over $500 I'd chip in up to $100, now I have to give a whole $100.

>>135748497
Why the fuck would you want to see facebook ads? Are you retarded?

>>135748653
Because those are 2 completely different terms?

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>>135748653
>ありません isn't an adjective...
Why would that matter?

>>135748497
>700€ + shipping
Way to kill vr before it could even take off.
Perhaps their competition will still save the day.

>>135748497
I thought they claimed it would be under $400 retail when it was finally released. Fucking Hebrews.

>>135748497
Fuck I used my money for a wanikani subscription.

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The day I completely master all of this I will be Japanese.

>>135750780
Remember that Kanji with that many strokes are built with radicals. You aren't remembering 20 strokes, you are remembering X amount of radicals and the placement of each.

>>135750780

I don't get it.

>>135750780
Do RTK.

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>>135750780
>Know all of these and how to seperate them
>Still get slightly nauseaus/sweaty palms when confronted with these images

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>>135750833
I honestly dont remember all the radicals but writing frequently help me distinguish similar kanji
>>135750891
Take too much time with that.

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>>135750925

>>135751016
You should definitely learn all of the radicals since there aren't too many. There's a small group of radicals that are used in 75% of all Kanji, so at least start there.

>>135750925

Images like that are pretty pointless outside of the "neat" factor though, our brains can and do contain tens of thousands of different words and concepts as well even if listing them all in a single image would make it look utterly impossible. 99% of them are just dormant and wake up when they're needed, same deal with learned kanji.

It's also why associating abstract images like letters, numbers, kana and radicals with physical objects is such a powerful technique used by pretty much all memory champions, as long as there's something that can be easily pictured the brain can just conjure up the necessary images as they're needed no matter how many of them there are.

>>135751016
Are you Vietnamese and learning Japanese?
Just asking, because I'm doing the same

>>135751329
Yea, but why aren't you sleeping yet? It's 2AM now

>>135751363
I live in burgerland. It's 1PM now and I keep putting off doing my reps.

>>135751416
It takes me 18 months to finish N3. I dont think you could go further without hard working.

Boy, it sure is quiet in here today.
I suppose I might as well go do my reps.

>>135753761
It's because I'm depressed and don't feel like arguing. Sorry, anon.

Trying to read a magazine page and I feel like I'm dying. I'm going to try to get through it though.

>>135754114
It's not going to work.

>>135754295
Why not?

>>135754415
Because you don't have what it takes.

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Anyone want to pay $10 for 4,500 random Japanese sentences to translate?

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>>135754530
>download VN
>get tens of thousands of sentences

>>135754518
Nice meme.

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>>135754569
What about a list of Japanese names for $2.50?

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>>135754667
https://vndb.org/c/all

I can't study because of all of this Phantom World and Haruchika shitposting.

>>135754879
You just don't want to study.

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>reading manga from the CoR
>suddenly one of the volumes is in a smaller resolution than all the others

jesus christ as if deciphering kanji wasn't hard enough when they're normal sized.

>>135755366
>read .txt
>can zoom in infinitely
feels good

>>135754879
Turn the shitposting into studying. That's what I'm doing. Go read material about one of the shows and bring up some obscure production or character fact that barely anyone knows about. Then profit. I'm literally reading year-old material about the original content pertaining to a current season adaptation.

>>135755762
Or just close 4chan

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What

>>135756072
What what?

>>135756147
>そうでも
>そうなってる
One そう is referring to reality, and one is referring to what's in the records, right? Unless I'm misunderstanding そうなってたら. It all feels too vague.

>>135756263
Yes, the first is referring to reality and the second to the records.

>It might be that way in reality, but given that the records say so...