>>135729628 So? Everyone got outsmarted by Gendo in Rebuild. Including Seele who were the masterminds with Yui in NGE.
Gendo played everyone because he's the final boss.
>>135728817 There's one vs Sachiel that's the funniest shit ever. Because Sachiel starts his attack. Kaworu sees Shinji is near and bombs Sachiel from the Moon, blowing up Sachiel, the buildings around him and making a huge crater in Tokyo-3 while Shinji, Misato and Nerv operators are what the fuck was that. Kaworu finishes saying something about naughty child (in reference to Sachiel).
Brotip: Gendo fooled and controlled everyone, but only two people were smarter to realize it was him and his plan. One was Mari and the other was Kaworu.
The rest of the cast are absolute morons. That includes Rei, who is a glorified pawn and damsel in distress who is playing into his hands. Kaworu lacks fruit of knowledge, what are the rest of the cast excuses to be fucking idiots (without counting Mari)?
>>135729572 It's been a while, but when you play as Kaworu in NG2, he doesn't use his angel powers because he's trying to do it the human way, frightened of his nature. Mostly out of loneliness.
When he finally chooses to use them, he tears Leliel apart easily and goes further, stopping being Tabris to become Adam, tang all angels, all Evas and take them within him to leave the planet, sad that there was a war when they shouldn't be fighting.
>>135730132 >Um no, SEELE didn't trust Gendo from the start but they needed him because he was the only one capable enough to kill off the Angels.
Anon, Gendo pulled out the switch and killed Seele off rewriting their scenario. He fucked them over. Are you watching this movie blind?
And NGE Kaworu didn't even 'face' Gendo. Gendo in NGE was a dumb fuck who got shat on by Yui and destroyed by Rei. He wasn't Aizen mk 2.0. Seele and Yui were. Having memories of NGE wouldn't help anything because there Gendo was the loser.
>>135730132 Seele in 3.0 trusted Gendo blindly. They are stupid fucks. Only Mari and Kaworu realized they were being stupid fucks, everyone else (onscreen and offscreen) is a unwitting pawn who haven't realized they are stupid fucks yet.
Gendo got wanked hard. Why does having memories of the tv show help Kaworu? He never interacted with Gendo besides one scene in EoE where he gets told and dies, after realizing he's a coward who wanted to love his son but was afraid to be close. He is nothing like Laser Final Boss Gendo.
>>135730196 I don't know where this Kaworu is dumb meme came from, but in NGE him being tricked made sense. He was told Gendo had his body, he felt a large presence down in terminal dogma. He assumes Adam must be there with Gendo if what SEELE says is true. He has no idea Lilith is even in Japan, let alone has been preserved all these years. He goes down and sees Lilith, his shock is to be expected.
As for Rebuild, how was he supposed to know Gendo would have the power too break through a fucking lid and make both spears the same?
>>135730333 >Except you know the fact that Gendo used the same trick twice to fuck with Kaworu
Except he didn't? Kaworu never interacted with Gendo until End of Evangelion.
Yui was fucking over Gendo and was an active character even in Eva 01. Yui in Rebuild is missing completely or is more passive. I know what Yui wanted to do, and Gendo was working to get her back or be with her and he failed. Not because of Rei, but because YUI rejected him in the end.
>>135730406 >NGE : Oh shit this isn't Adam in Terminal Dogma it's Lilith. Dies
This wasn't Gendo's doing, retard. It was Seele who gave him orders to go down there. Did you even watch episode 24? Seele needed Kaworu dead to trigger the Third Impact. Gendo was a small fry in this who didn't do shit.
>>135730506 Because the Gendo he knew was just a sad fuck who wanted to hug his son and was afraid to do it. Rebuild Gendo is far eviler and ruthless than he was in EoE. He leveled up for final boss. Gendo role is now Misato. Gendo has taken the Keele mantle.
I would think any memories he had of old Gendo would actually confuse him because Gendo isn't longer the Gendo he knew and that loved Shinji deep inside. This Gendo has a fucking script that began since the birth of his son. He's cold as fuck.
>>135730629 >Actually SEELE wants Kaworu to merge with Lilith and initiate a "clean" 3rd Impact No they don't, they wanted Kaworu to die. That's why they hope Unit 01 can stop him.
>they actually tell him Adam is inside Gendo's body in Ep24 see >>135730385 Kaworu feels a large presence in Terminal Dogma, the logical conclusion is this must be where Adam (And Gendo) are. He has no idea Gendo is at the hq.
I'm just disappointed in Misato, but she's always played, so at least it's consistent.
>>135730629 No, re-watch EoE and last episodes. Kaworu needed to die so the Third Impact would start automatically. All Angels were sacrifices, that's why they needed them to be born, and why they (Seele) triggered the Second Impact for this purpose.
The enemy was human all along was the realization Nerv good guys like Misato came to.
While Kaworu could go on and merge with Lilith to wipe out humanity, Seele hoped Eva 01 would kill him. After that, they planned to kill all pilots who were also sacrifices. Eva is like a show where manchildren who are scared of human contact make children kill each other. Kind of disgusting.
>>135730742 If you watch the movie again, he actually figures it out int he next scene and starts telling Shinji to stop. When Shinji refuses and keeps getting closer, Kaworu starts shaking (the script describes him being in actual physical pain). We don't know why this is yet, though. Probably something to do with him being forced to be the 13th angel from the 1st.
>>135730899 >He figured out as soon as he approaches No there is a good five minutes of him holding his chin and mumbling something like he is trying to figure things out. For the entirety of the Eva02 vs Eva13 fight he is trying to piece together the fact that the spears were switched
>>135730882 The Third Impact was going to start automatically when the last angel is dead. It's in fucking EoE and I think NGE, when they talk of the promised day. Because Longinus (which is a key to control the Impact) will be back to Earth automatically after the last offspring is down (EoE happens a day or two after Kaworu's death). This is what Seele wanted. Once Kaworu is killed, shit will happen and you can't stop it. Impact could have happened if he lived and you get a merging, but after his death it would trigger a countdown to the end. The question was: who would control the Impact?
I think in general the problem is that Kaworu dies for Shinji but it's Shinji who ends the world. Kill Shinji, save humanity.
>looks like a redesign of unit-04 All we know about it is that it blows up and it might have something to do with the lance, since it was included with it's revoltech. But now it has drill arms. What the fuck is it gonna drill into?
>>135731010 >like he is trying to figure things out He figures out and senses they are both the same spears the minute he sees them. He tells Shinji something is wrong and they need to stop. Asuka comes in, attacking, and during this time Kaworu tries to figure out WHY they're the same, which leads him to Gendo.
03 and 04 were basically a pair produced at roughly the same time (and possibly both by the US, if I'm not mistaken). These were considered production models. You'll notice that the next thing to be made (in the original at least) were the MP Evas. They had the process "streamlined" at that point (other than 04's S2 engine, naturally)
>>135731171 It's automatic: Eva 01 or Lilith were going to be ready for it. The angels were made by Seele to sacrifice them and control the ritual. But they need to kill the pilots or they would control it.
Longinus could only return after Kaworu's death. Or it'll stay in orbit. Now, it doesn't mean they wouldn't be ok with Kaworu merging Lilith and turning them to gods (which is exactly what happens).
People misunderstand the Impacts is death, no it's simply taking another form. Adam and Lilith destroy the vessels and then new ones are born. It's just pretty badly portrayed in NGE because Anno changed things on march, but Rebuild managed to solidify this idea of his clearly.
When Kaworu says that humanity/lilim would cease isn't because they'll die, but humanity would stop being the lifeforms of Earth. Those souls would be given angels vessels instead. Kaworu likes the lilim existence, their music, their culture. But that's with him. Not sure if it will work with random angels because they aren't seeds.
>>135730385 >I don't know where this Kaworu is dumb meme came from, but in NGE him being tricked made sense. It came from the series. Kaworu is a fucking retard, and his dumb actions are so bad they've have been labeled a plot hole by most fans since early on.
>He was told Gendo had his body, he felt a large presence down in terminal dogma. He assumes Adam must be there with Gendo if what SEELE says is true No? The right course of action is to seek Gendo, not some other "presence" he can't confirm or deny what is. Gendo is the head honcho of NERV, and Gendo isn't hiding but is to be found where Gendo is usually found, making the Gendo pose at his battle station.
For all intents and purposes, Kaworu is retarded. Emotionally and intellectually.
>>135731080 That makes Kaworu pretty retarded and inconsiderate. Going completely silent when a battle is raging to figure out something non-essential is what fucked things up. It's like trying to figure out why there's a huge bomb ticking in front of you rather than legging it.
>>135733162 >making the Gendo pose at his battle station How the hell is Kaworu supposed to know that's where he usual is? He's only been to NERV once. He would never even guess Lilith was in Japan, let alone being preserved all this time. He senses something, and the best explanation is that it is Adam, with or without Gendo.
Seeing Lilith makes him realize the plans of SEELE and the rest, the puzzle all makes sense now.
>>135733215 Shinji cut him from the controls, what else is he supposed to do? He's also in literal pain as described by the storyboards, not in the best of shape to help out. And figuring out what's going on takes priority.
But you're most likely just a buttmad Reifag who can't comprehend rationality, so why even bother talking to you.
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