She remained a tsundere, who was king of the hasty endings.
The last chapter tried to end the saga of Phoenix and the last 4 or 6 pages were about the wedding. Go to Takahashi shit.
A character most people forget was actually Tsundere to begin with.
Seriously, until she found out that Mamoru was Tuxedo-Mask, all she did was rip on him, insult him and go "WHAT? I DON'T LIKE HIM OR ANYTHING!!!" whenever people commented on how she must really like him Then he married her, knocked her up and became king of her domain. Tamed, Defanged and fucking conquered. All he had to do afterwards was order that bitch to make him a sandwich and he'd be all set.
why are tsunderes so slutty? it's like they're trying to hide their libido by pretending to be sadistic
One of the only good modern examples I can think of. Very much dere by the end of the VN, doubly so if you count the anime's OVA and sequel movie.
Well yes, but she stops doing it to cover for her own issues and to keep him at arm's length. I did like how the tsun flowed from her character rather than being the basis of it.
Takahashi characters still strike the best balance between tsun and dere.
I feel like I'm leaving out many untagged series doing it this way
Tsunderes used to be like the chicks in western adventure movies; you know, indiana jones, alan quartermain, romancing the stone, uncharted etc...
You know the drill; strong independent woman, dislikes MC's immaturity (and he dislikes her haughtiness), they are forced to collaborate due to plot, they fall on each other like they're about to kiss and their eyes meet, sexual tension, plot resolved, they fell in love along the way and are all dere dere together.
But now it's mainly BAKA BAKA, kyaaaaaaaaaaaaa (pan to exterior), being unreasonably bitchy, and the 'dere' often peaks at blushing occasionally.
You know who to thank
It's easier to write a stock archetype than an actual evolving character
Louise at least softened up at the end, she was a well executed 'modern' tsundere in my opinion.
Shana was... well It was fucking boring so I dropped it and I don't know how it turned out.
I don't get all the hype about Taiga to be honest, I don't hate her or her show, but like she was pretty generic as far as the 'tsun', and the 'dere' and plot reveal rationalization for her shenanigans was PRESENT (which I guess is more than you can say for quite a few shows) but weak overall.
Well, having an actual character beyond "tsundere love interest" will do that. Rather than doing it because it's her personality, it's a defense mechanism from reaaaally bad daddy issues.
>it's a defense mechanism from reaaaally bad daddy issues
Postmodern psychoanalytic tsundere deconstruction when? Or will the industry be content churning out more cliche moneymakers?
You lost me there. Psychoanalysis is a joke, and a bad one. Cognitive psychology is a much better system in which to deconstruct topics like this, because it requires self-awareness.
You answered your own question.
She's in it for the money, she's poor and her grandma needs hospital money, if I'm remembering correctly. Yes I know that's retarded, I'm still reading it anyway because the girls + trap are cute.
Looks like you fell for the freud_is_a_hack meme. Psychoanalysis was rejected because it can't be falsified.
Karl Popper established that as an important criteria for scientific rigor around the same time.
It doesn't mean psychoanalysis doesn't have a place in fiction
I suppose it isn't completely meritless, however I do know that Freud did lie about a lot of his findings and case studies. The concepts that he stated are fairly interesting, I do agree.
Well, S;G does get very meta about it thanks to the cast being into otaku culture. Kurisu is teased for her tsun tendencies and often compared against what a tsundere 'should' do in a situation.
Okusama ga seitokaichou is borderline h and very funny, a full dere female has the lead, but the antagonist it's a tsundere
and a shit.
they're only used for fiction. Something like the hedgehog dilemma doesn't say much either but it's a central theme in Evangelion.
if a show uses basic jungian archetypes it'll already be considered deep
>a place in fiction
Everything has a place in fiction, it's fiction. The only reason people ever took psychoanalytic theory seriously in the realm of literature was because of the work freud did with classical critique, but in the light of the archaic and utterly unhelpful fiction of his 'theories,' even psychoanalysis as a literary theory is dated and unproductive.
The Freud is a hack meme exists for a reason. He was a hack. He tried to build an entire systematic philosophy (parading itself as a science, mind you) on the basis of delusion, conjecture and literal fanfiction.
Taiga was the best. Louise went from one extreme to the other and became a sexual slave with no personality. Shana became a dumb sheep willing to allow and condone abuse from her lover.
Taiga had none of that shit, she admitted her flaws and also pointed out the flaws of her man, became nicer by her own resolution and left him to go and grow out from her issues on her own source he have time to do the same. Then came back to him and rewarded his loyalty with sweet well earned love.
She's the one who became an equal with her partner. The other two surrended and lost what made then unique.
While I'm sure your years of complete and utter lack of contact with the opposite sex and learning about them exclusively from /r9k/ has made you an unparalleled expert on the subject, it is in fact possible to have a relationship with a girl that doesn't fall into either extreme of "she constantly physically and verbally assaults you" and "she doesn't even speak without your permission"
Sometimes people are together because they just get along.
>Watashi wa Dikku o suimasu
As far as Shana goes...
Her man beat the shit out of her and her friends and hatched a plot to rewrite the laws of the universe to suit his own interests. And Shana's reaction was basically "So, you gonna fuck me, or what?"
an example from your Grandparent's generation was "The African Queen" which featured both Humphrey Bogart and Katherine Hepburn both tsun like mad at the start, and mellow as the booze they were drinking during the film shoot at the end.
>tfw hearing the phrase "tamed and defanged" only makes you think of actually kidnapping and mindbreaking a once feisty aggressive girl into a timid, quiet, submissive slave
Steins;Gate was the story of two tsunderes falling in love with one another. Somehow, both of them were well written and had actual personalities.
Even better, their relationship was organic and made sense rather than just forcing the main guy and girl together like a child mashing toys against each other and making kissing noises. It also had some really nice moments that worked as both being romantic as hell and very naturalistically written, which writers both east and west continually fail to do.
What exactly makes tsun girls so perfect for anal sex? When I see a cutie tsuning it out, I just start wanting to fuck her cute butt more and more.
Rin isn't very tsun in the first place, and actually starts to go a little in the opposite direction two years after the story.
Dare to threaten Sakura in any way in his presence and see if his fangs don't show up. Heck, just try looking funny at her in front of him. That Wolf still have a mean bite, he just choose his princess.
It really can't be worse.
Dragging the romance by spacing it with increasingly longer filler about bland as shit fantasy war, then ruin months of progress by having either Saito or Louise act like a complete retard, rinse and repeat.
The author was so cancerous and contracted one.
I believe there is a God, and He read Zero no Tsukaima.
Genj and Miku defanged her, the sword tamed her.
She had the character arc of a classic tsundere (gradual transition from hate to love) along with the presentation of a modern tsun (alternation between hate and affectionate actions, with l-lots of s-s-stammering, you baka) and both approaches well explained through her character.
But each of those changed. At least in their LNs.
Louise was probably the worst at changing because the relationship progression was constantly reset by 'misunderstandings' and character interrupting/trying to jump his dick. I really do wish it had gone completely polygamous early on with none of the bickering.
Taiga softens obviously, takes a while.
Shana does as well, but the whole they become enemies for a while in-between and the lack of romance focus. It was more a 'guy gets the girl at the end and they hook up, after first being cold'. Very little romantic or sexual tension.
Made sense though.
Flame cunts are crazed knights templar can't let the species that has existed since forever eat. So they run around to murder them even after they try to run away to a world where they don't 'have' to kill humans for food.
Took a long time to reach that but was mostly character introductions, world building and showing MC talk to snake/him getting stronger. Throw in some filler about monsters wanting the endless mana device as well.
You forgot to mention Flame Hazes had no fucking idea of Snake's plan. Even if he means well doesn't mean he wasn't an utter dick. Shana became trophy wife at the end. Yuuji will later get bored of her because she's no longer the girl he fell in love with and will seek another strong girl to beat up into submissive love.
In the romance department it was pretty shit. Shana is a retard because of upbringing and Yuuji sort of dotes on her without really saying too much until the end.
Inexperienced in writing romance I guess? The plot was central focus and romance requires slowing it down (or turning it into 'he gets the girl at the end because'). Yes they start calling each others name, blush a few times but that's about it.
I just want to dick the tsun out of her.
The build up was interesting and exciting despite some noticeable flaws but the lore seemed engaging. It was the deliver at the end what felt rushed and never really had a moment to sit well until suddenly ended with instant happy end that felt like author patronizing.
"No, fuck you, Yuuji is right! He's MC and everything he does is perfect! Stop questioning him!"
>current lover he's cheating her with.
Reminder that Louise dindu nuffin and Saito deserved everything bad happening to him.
Tamed but not defanged. Dragons need their fangs after all.
Sad part is that if Someone beats Saito's ass trying to save her he'll get void blasted in the back for his trouble because Louise is now too dependent on his "love". She's gone.
If I recall it was more a gamble about creating a new world, them opposing it, Shana's necklace being pacified after it works and then the FH going off to be assholes in a new world.
I wouldn't agree with the 'MC is right' bit as much as you, because they establish that snake is pretty fucking sure he can do it, that the result of failure is everyone dead anyway. But I think the reconciliation between them at that point in time needed work, or at least a better romance months before to play off. Shana was coming around and softening but it wasn't a real (or decent) relationship yet.
She got rid of Kozue by using literally who and his bank account out of nowhere.
Takahashi was planing to make Godai lose his virginity to the talkative city girl he met when skiing so the story would have more substance when he meets Kyoko again but Editor-tight-ass didn't let her.
It was a meh-tier ending.
>people being this retarded
Holy fuck the flamehaze wanted to stop Yuuji's plan because the humans of Xanadu were going to get raped, and the amount of magic left from all that shit would end up fucking both planets. That's fucking why they changed the spell to add a rule of no human eating
Yuuji did everything right
Shana as well
>My fucking face when he just walk in the base and steal the jet
She just needs her master urges satisfied.
>Not liking women who slut around in skimpy clothing is consider gay
Interesting non-romantic example. She was a spunky uptight tsundere until Nanoha bombarded her ass and Signum punched her fangs away.
Pink won. Also in the light novel all the girls and all the background guys in class F were psychotic.
She hit on Aki when she got drunk and started calling him by his first name (around vol 3), lived with him after her parents got stuck abroad, got her hairpin from him in kindergarten, bought pictures of him from Mitsurini, and even had a pillow with his picture on it. She liked Aki for a long time but Aki was too stupid to realise any of the girls liked him.
Though in Aki's defence he was the dumbest kid in school.
Too bad she got cucked by based Maria.
I'm sure one of those Mexicans in Val Verde will take her back to look after one of her thousand brown mini-Chrises.
Posting superior tamed tsundere
>Letting the bitch go soft on you
>Not tying her up, gagging her and having glorious hate sex while all she can do is glare at you, knowing that you own her and can do whatever you want to her
I don't want to derail the thread by starting an argument, but even though it would have been interesting to make Godai lose his virginity with that girl, I don't think the ending would have changed much, but yeah, the build-up would have been much more interesting, I wonder why they didn't allow it.
I really hoped he'd man up and straight tell Kozue he was going to marry Kyoko though, instead of that shitshow.
Overall I still think the ending was good