What the fuck was Johan's problem?
Franz Bonaparta and his mother. They were the true monsters. Are you ok with that assumption of mine ? His personality is very complex and mysterious, he's a corrupted that plays with the emotions of the people and make them his toys. Funny guy. He doesn't have any problems in specific because he doesn't feel anything for the people that he hurt. He's not incapable of feeling, because he enjoy what he does. I think that manipulating a person to make the monsters that is inside go out is a form of joy for him. It bring him peace. He can do it, he is very capable, and he doesn't believe in justice so why don't have a little of fun ? Thats sound very childish now that I think about it. Maybe he's just a kid, having fun with his toys in a huge sandbox.
I always thought of him as someone who struggled to find his own personality and identity? He was hidden, dressed as his sister, made her memories his, then they forced the whole nazi thing on him, etc.. He was a failed experiment and subconsciously didn't cope with it. And that's why when trying to find enjoyment in his existence he always takes up strange identities and plays with others to see how they react. That's how I've always seen it.
He certainly have some issues with his identity, yes. But I think that's just part of the scars from his childhood. He's probably already found himself doing what he does, he's a monster and he's happy with that. What you mentioned is nothing more than his modus operandi, pretty common in sociopaths like him.
Did you not read the last chapter of the manga, when he fucking explained it?
The real root of the monster, which completely flipped around what you might have thought before that point.
Also to make it even more obvious, I'll tell you. The "Monster" was not a person, rather you could say its a concept, or situation/feeling that keeps arising in this story in different ways, for different characters.
I think a novel came out afterwards which make it even more clear.
The last chapter is called "The real monster", it keeps trying to get you to question who the real monster was all along, what it was, what it meant. Until Johan's scene in the hospital which reveals some shit.
If I recall, the monster was really something like
"The loss of identity"or something similar.
Johan was not the monster in itself, he was just another one effected by the monster. But, that statement is meant to make you question even more what the monster is supposed to be. So many people are called the Monster in the end.
It can't be any one person after all
it was pretty obvious, child abuse was a big theme. so the real monsters are the adults trying to mold a child's worldview when he doesn't have the psychological defense mechanisms to resist
so basically parenting is inherently a monstrous endeavor
The Mother was the Real Monster
This was obvious when that bitch would spout shit like "These seeds growing in my stomach will grow and take revenge in my name"
Only a True Monster says that kind of stuff
So the True Monster was revealed pretty early on
Johan was still the real monster though. So what if your mom sold you, we've got that shit happening all the fucking time. You murdered god knows how many people in cold blood and still are.
How hard is it for people to still realize that its not "____ was the monster, because they were sooo evil".
The monster was not a person; even Johan says "When the monster came that day.." and the mother asks "Who was the real monster?", because the entire story is trying to get you to realize some shit here rather than thinking literally.
Trying to say that the monster was just a person because they were evil is the most literal way you can take this.
Duh. When you kill your pets at an early age, hurt people physically, play with the emotions of your love ones and use your friends for your own enjoyment and for the pleasures of the flesh, you know that you're a little devil. But a cute one, at least. Nya~
>tfw when you are your sister and attract a poor hapless dude
>because they were evil is the most literal way you can take this.
And what is wrong with that?
Maybe the message of Monster is that shitty parenting is shitty parenting
And in the end Johan was right
Lives are not Equal and he strongly hints that he learned that from his Mother
He chose to become the Monster! You see, it was Nina that was sent by her mother to the mansion to be brainwashed but Johan appropriated all the evil shit that Nina was supposed to do after wondering about why his mother sent Nina instead of him after being dressed up as a girl. They later fucked off from the three frogs inn after their mother left them and nearly burned it down.
He willingly chose to be an edgelord. He chose to be a Monster.
>The episode where Johan convinces a child hes unwanted who goes to kill himself.
>The scene where Grimmer is crying holding the boy trying to understand that feeling
I was bitch made so hard in tears for about 10 minutes after the fact. Monster is so fucking heart retching because almost everything that happens is realistic and even the far fetched parts are possible. You feel sympathy for these people who go through common struggles with themselves like anyone else would.
KINDERHEIM DID NOTHING WRONG!
Anime is pretty much word for word a complete adaption. Its probably the best manga to anime adaption i know of where you basically miss nothing.
Go get some tissues anon you're going to feel alot of things.
Yep~ He's the best. A shame that I don't find the idea of a husbando interesting anymore, that's for little girls.
I don't consider myself asocial, anon, on the contrary... I need to have someone with me every time. I need to stay in touch with people, I need to feel someone, and have fun with my friends. It's scary to be by myself, if I'm not with someone I just use my phone or my computer.
Get the fuck out cancer. There a lot of anons that are lonely as shit and don't have ANY friends even on the Internet, including myself.
If you think you need this shit so much just like my retarded sister who afraid of being alone to develop mental illness then you are delusional and what we call ''social hypocrite''.
Granted the anime is a perfect adaptation, but still.
No, "evil" is just a fictional concept humans invented thus has no universal value. All the "evil" acts in history were committed by humans who were no different than you and me. Furthermore, they were all based on human's very nature.
The good and evil don't exist, what exists is just your definition of what is the evil and good for you, and everyone has a different view of that. for example, I don't care if someone that I don't know dies horribly or if someone is being raped of dying from starvation in another part of the word. I don't care for that. Evil, for me, is something that can reach me (and my love ones) and hurt me or make me unhappy directly or indirectly. That's all.
Oh, you're soooo cute~
Illiterated cancer pls go away or hang urself
I'm not going to kill myself, anon, but what about you? You don't seems to happy. Take this.
Didn't he inject poison he had gotten somehow from the hospital (Urasawa explained how, but I don't quite recall how) into the sweets that the doctor stole from him? I remember something like that.
20th Century Boys >>>>> Pluto > Monster >>>> Billy Bat
... I think that's also in the order I read them. Or maybe it was Pluto before 20th Century Boys, I'm not entirely sure.
I really should start reading Yawara and Master Keaton.
The problem with 20thCB is that the story that was supposed to pull it together in 21thCB was shitty, so I think I'd rank it last of the three. I also fucking loved Pluto, so I'd go
Pluto > Monster >>> 20thCB
His mom was the monster you fucking cucks.
She choose one to stay and one to go - a favorite. Parents aren't supposed to do that shit. She was just supposed to go "nooo muh chillun, please no" etc until one was taken but she gave up the little cumslut and kept best boy for herself.
Also its nice to see a good thread about some good manga/anime for once. Monster is easily top 10 for me.
I understood "the monster" as something foreign, unknown and unexplainable to human reasoning.
Similar to the way people's mind tend to think that there is a historical narrative to humans past decisions, when mostly it's just a bunch of random points and guesses.
I think the partial reason to Tenma's shock at the end was because he (and the reader) thought that Johan was the "monster" e' was because some shit happened to him in the past, and then you get the final plot twist that it none of it actually happened to Johan but his sister, making all the previous reasons for his "evilness" moot.
He was bored with the world. It's essentially that.
Oh, for sure, but what did Franz Bonaparta do? Force their parents to give birth to him? Evil, sure, but not manipulating him. And his mother was faced with an impossible choice.
I do agree with your assesment that he's just a kid having fun with toys in a sandbox, but toys might be giving those 'toys' too highly of a care for Johan. He simply sees everyone and everything as ants and messing with the line of ants to see if they come and attack you is always fun.
No one really manipulated him, the more you find out about him, the more you understand that the 'thing that made him evil' was fucked either by him or without him. 511 didn't fuck him, the Rose Mansion didn't fuck him and I don't believe Johan when he says his mother is what made him think everything was evil.