Where's the new chapter you fucks
I was curious so I checked out the subreddit for tg. As expected a shitload of those faggots are using this place as a casual source for information, and if the last threads discussions weren't indicative enough, they're openly here and posting. The only thing I can think of is a dead animal / mutilation dump when it's least expected. So let's all do our best!
>see two guys with black trenchcoats and creepy smiles approach you
>Going to visit a ghoul scheduled for disposal
>Saiko wrecking shit for real
I'm not even mad we got minimal Kaneki. Looks like she got fit too.
all of what happened during that time can be seen in the current chapter though, which wasn't all that much
> Urie became Q's Sqad leader
> Kaneki got partnered with Moleman
> also ignoring Hinami
> Noro became Gin-Eater
Kaneki's goal is to die spectacularly, killing Eto off right away isn't going to let him die in style.
To be more specific, Kaneki knew that Eto was the author for half a year but decided to make a move half a year later. If Kaneki reported this to the CCG initially they wouldn't have waited so long to get the one-eyed-king. Furthermore, to make a move with just him and Furuta of all people indicates he's there to talk, probably asking for her to
stage a distraction to rescue Hinami, possibly.
Wow, a normal post on /a/ that doesnt have anything to do with lolis, peverveted shit or immature retarded behaviour
.i havent seen a normal post like this for ages,too bad it won't be enough to save this shithole of a forum tho
Nice, Urie. You realize that you'll have to bark like a dog and wag your tail at worst Washu to get anywhere.
Meanwhile, Kaneki just casually goes off wrecking the absolute shit out of high-ranking Aogiri members wherever he goes and earns the promotions the savage way, and not like a butt-licking lapdog.
Nah, too busy doing Reaper shit with his new nigga the Clown.
It's probably gonna be Kaneki asking Eto to help him break Hinami out of Cochlea; same goals type of allying or something.
And then that will lead in to Kaneki coming to at least see Eto in a slightly better light.
These developments are pretty interesting and all, but what the fuck have the old crew been doing throughout these long timeskips? Especially now that they're presumably aware that Kaneki is "back".
I'll be so mad if it turns out that they've just been chilling these whole 6 months like before.
Will Kaneki intervene before her disposal or will she be saved by another manner?
He's avoiding her to keep suspicions of his memories returning down. Haise doesn't really have a reason to visit her anymore since confirming Aogiri members can be pawned off to a lower rank investigator, like Urie, and especially since he's basically black Arima now.
>yfw he intervenes just so he can kill her himself
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
This shit is actaully plausible since you see faggots like Urie, and V most likely working with them. And the most unexpected thing is Furuta of all people which is really supports it. 100% agree.
And then we get closer to Eto's other side. Pic related
I wonder how Kaneki and Arima interact now that Kaneki has mastered the art of autism. Do they still talk about books or do they just stare at each other communicating with their eyes
Urie didnt changed after what happens to shirazu
He is still promotionfaggot and washuu just said that he lost hope for urie and now he become his literal dogs and there is no single character development
I think Ishida is clueless how to progress the current plot
we will get downhill of tokyo ghoul from this point
Can you imagine if Matsuri actually made bureau head?
Jesus Christ, casualty rates through the roof.
>mophead's name is Aura
>there is already a character named aura in TG
Either translators fucked up or Ishida missed the memo that you aren't supposed to give more than one character the same unusual name. Unless they are related in some way, which is a definite possibility.
I don't think he's being as callous as you guys seem to think. I think it's likely that he wants to bust her out as late as possible, so as to take advantage of his position in the CCG as long as possible. So for now he's cut off contact to eschew suspicion.
Call me a kanekifag or whatever, but that just seems the most likely.
I hope we get prison break soon.
I'm waiting for Ayato to do something reckless and retarded as well.
So i said in last thread(or the one before that) that i didn't believe spoilers because it didn't adress Hinami. But this chapter did just that and i hope that Kaneki going to talk to Eto really is about saving Hinami.
Does Kaneki look less
scaryhere? I felt the urge to do this.
Something that's been sticking out to me, as of late, is that only half ghouls seem to violently lose their mental stability during combat - i.e. when Urie tried accessing more power during his fight with Big Mom he started to go insane. Anybody have any theories as to why this is?
Yeah, but Yamori wasn't yelling out the same absurdities that Eto, Kaneki, Urie, and Takizawa did when they lost it. I don't have exact quotes, but Yamori was still reasonably sane compared to the half ghouls.
It might come from drawing out too many Rc cells. Rc cells flow in the bloodstream and are drawn towards the kakuhou; when the kagune is released, the Rc cells erupt from the kakuhou and flush the body's circulatory system to give the ghouls their super strength. That may have an effect on the brain, considering the blood's flow.
It was foreshadowed. Urine is literally Matsuri's bottom bitch
>Urie character development
He wants to get Shirazu back but he's still a promotion whore. You know, once a jerk always a jerk
Dead or being fucked right in her stinky pussy by Torso
It's been exactly one year anon, the Auction raid took place in November.
Amon should be full kakuja by now,
The tumblr translation was better than this.
>Higemaru: Go ahead and yearn for it (I’m not sure how to word this, but Higemaru is saying to Aura that she should go ahead and want that quinque). Our squad leader…he’s the coolest.
There was a bonus release with the tankonbon/callendar (I don't recall which one), that showed a letter from Hinami where she despairs about being executed and how she wants her onii-chan to be the last person to talk to her and stuff
Ishida must want a buld up to a grand reveal for her. It will be kinda boring if it just turns out she's now in Juuzo's squad, something like she no longer pretends to be man would be worth it.
No, Urie was painting the Mutsuki birthday image. He's viewed her as a woman since the auction raid.
Took a few seconds to re-check. MS can go fuck themselves with this garbage.
Is it wrong to want a Matsumae x Hairu yuri anger sex doujin of them trying to dominate the other passionately?
She's a filthy ghoul,s o of course she would. She could realise her books anonymously under a new name anytime she wants. Kaneki knowing her current identity is practically irrelevant for anyone but him.
Not really. If new books popped up that were similar to Sen's then that would make people suspicious of who's writing them. This has happened to real life authors as well, since even under pseudonyms people figured out who they were.
She'd have to give up writing her books, which she loves doing.
>Not really. If new books popped up that were similar to Sen's then that would make people suspicious of who's writing them.
Yeah, because Kaneki would actively try to figure that out, right? Instead of searching aogiri, he just reads every single book that comes out until it feels like she wrote it and searchs for the author without having any proof afterwards. And the CCG will allow that autism, right anon?
>She'd have to give up writing her books, which she loves doing.
If I write something down in the next five minutes, would you know it and when I did it? No. She could even write for herself, no one can stop her from doing that. Autismo jr. can't sense books.
>She could even write for herself,
She likes interacting with her fans. Remember when Haise theorized that she was lonely and depressed and we saw her alone in a room with book pages?
Yes and? What makes you think that Kaneki would read that? What do you think he would tell the CGG?
>Hey guys, I think Sen is writing again under the name Whore. I goota check that out!
>Yeah... But shouldn't you hunt some Ghouls?
>Nah m8, I'm fine.
Why do you thinks Furuta is searching with Kaneki for her? Because Kaneki obviously told no one that she's the OEK and just shit like, she could be involved into something/her informations could be useful. Her Takatsuki identity is in no apparent danger as six months after the Rose case her manager still ha scontact to her. There would be no reason to search for Takatsuki if she decides to go undercover for anyone, but Kaneki.
And you think that would be reason enough to go against the CCG to save some weak Ghoul with a guy who wants to kill your ass anytime?
Wish Ayato would become more screentime
>b-but Kaneki is hiding info about Eto, he didn't tell CCG her author identity
>Kaneki will save hinami
I told you guys he doesn't give a shit about ghouls. He wanted Tsukiyama to die from that fall.
Kaneki is so cool now.
From volume 8 omakes. Fucking got us again Ishida
Apologies if this was already posted
Hinami has already gotten boner lessons in Cochlea.
If you people think he's there to kill/capture her that's just sad. Kaneki and Furuta must've had struck some kind of deal or shit during the timeskip, because i doubt he would go after Eto if Furuta was a random fodder C-rate quinque partner in his eyes.
Why would he continue working with CCG? He's just under cover. They are not very moral themselves and even Kaneki. While teaming up with Furuta he searches for Eto without CCG knowing about it. He pretty much could sell her out since he was Haise. From Hinami's information.
>but they will
You think someone like Furuta giving a shit about CCG? He fucking killing them. While Kaneki has his own goals. Do you even read the manga? She's not even going to get killed by them.
It's not like every second of Kaneki's life was an act, anon. This is from a time when he was teaching Hinami readings of various kanji. Sure he had his issues, but he was genuinely happy in moments like this. Especially when he was spending time with
I really liked where Ayato's kagune went. It'd be cool to see more kagune that don't have the typical armaments seen - like a koukaku that shot projectiles, but still maintained the koukaku characteristics.
Yeah. He even could've kill her easily when she got knocked out from her kakuja, but he didn't. He tried afterwards for some reason
Maybe Eto just interesting in seeing him growing, while Kaneki needs to ask her few questions. Eto and Kaneki will certainly talk about infos. What Eto did when she went into CCG's headquarters, getting more information about this world. But it doesn't mean they will be allies, yet or not. It's all depends on how it will be approached
Tokyo Ghoul Calendar 2016 - July:
The chinese didn't release more, so that's it for now.
Since Furuta has aided Aogiri too, I think it's possible that they're just gonna offer to help Eto if she uses her resources to break through Cochlea.
Kaneki to free Hinami and Furuta to free some clown(s).
''Six months'' In 2 months you can make an Eto final arc, but he didn't. He even hide her identity since he was haise back then. He even fucking hide her identity when Ui got in the roof. Why are you denying it so hard?
Wanna bet they went there for discussion?
>investigators aren't spurgelords. They have to plan and gather information.
Did you even read the Anteiku raid arc?
That literally happened like "We suspect this old guy at Anteiku to be the One-Eyed Owl. Put up a blockade. We're gonna raid this shit."
Is she a chink?
Best design but will most likely die first and be the least relevant. Shame.
If he wanted Tsukiyama to die from the fall he wouldn't have waited for Kanae, or he would've just cut his head off or something that would guarantee death.
They even fucking mention it in the car.
> There are people deluding themselves into thinking Hinami woill die
This is just like the Tsukiyama incident. People were saying there is no logical way he will survive, now we here though.
>>there are people that think Kaneki is on Eto's side
We never stated that you retard. Read the fucking thread.
Besides if this actually happens, will you kill yourself? Just wondering
I said the opposite since the beginning of his arc. That Kanae would most likely sacrifice his (sic) life for him. The only part that came as a surprise was that Kanae was a chick and in love with him.
Kaneki is casually going to Eto with Fu after 6 months alone. It's freaking obvious that he is acting alone and that he wants something. He is not there no fight Eto. People who think otherwise are the delusional ones.
Kaneki threw Tsukiyama off the building to show how cold he is and how he doesn't give a fuck about him. He just tossed him to the side like he was nothing to him, instead of instantly killing him.
She knows that Tsukiyama jumped off the building and that Kanae saved him from dying from the fall. So I guess her intuition told her that Kanae cushioned Tsukiyama's fall after Kaneki threw Tsukiyama off.
But that's irrelevant, since all she needed to know was that Kaneki threw him off instead of just instantly taking his life with a stab or decapitation.
Kaneki was able to beat the shit out of Tsukiyama before, why would that have changed after Tsukiyama weakened? If that autist wanted to kill someone he has hundreds of methods of doing so.
>Out of the blue Hinami is now scheduled for disposal
>By Urie's words it sounds like its soon
>Kaneki, after six months of doing nothing, decides to pay Eto a visit. Not with regular CCG members, but with Furuta.
NOPE NOTHING CONNECTED WITH THESE EVENTS YOU GUYS ARE JUST DELUSIONAL
Seems like it. They are so fucking braindead they can't use constructive thought to acknowledge that and accept it. I mean whats wrong with that anyway? If this actually happens
>This what goes through an Etofag's mind. Vid related.
>Deliberate six month time gap
>Kaneki not immediately outing Sen as a ghoul
>Going with the one investigator who could be convinced to look the other way to Sen being a ghoul
NOPE LOL ISHIDA DOESNT PLAN ANYTHING ITS ALL COINCIDENCE
>Kaneki and Furuta come over for dinner
>"splorp plorp splosp"
>His kagune: Daruma!
Except he was shown waiting for Kanae to make a move.
Do you stand above your trash can holding things? Someone showing that their opponent is trash doesn't hold them in place for several seconds before disposing of them, they just dispose of them like trash.
>Kaneki teling Furuta about his plans out of the blue
Are you retarded? Kaneki doesn't know whoe furuta really is.
>implying he will find her through her manager
Are you dumb or something? That guy doesn't even know that she's part of aogiri
Given her looks and name I'd say she's a chink.
She'll due because the Qs can't have too many characters and they'll have to kill her when Mutsuki comes back, because they'll be at their 2 girl quota.
>Are you retarded? Kaneki doesn't know whoe furuta really is.
Yeah lol this idiot, they just got paired up together. It's not like Kaneki has been with Furuta for six months or anything
>Out of the blue
m8 it's been like a year and Akira would've been pushing for it the entire time. It's surprising it's taken so long.
>Not with regular CCG members, but with Furuta.
Chances are Furuta is his new partner, Kijima was Associate Special Class as well.
The calendar hot plenty of foreshadowing, like the Urie and Matsuri Dracula image.
Mutsuki must be with Torso, since Ishida drew those 2 together alot.
>telling a random investigator about your plans and past
You still didn't get the main problem here you autist. Being 6 months with a investigator doesn't make that one love you more than the CCG.
And you seem to forgot that Kaneki is not the reader and therefore doesn't know who Furuta is which is why he is like any other investigator to him at this point. Work on your reading comprehension.
Yo what up my dawgs it Forneverworld here, with my gf
>to save one ghoul that they don't give a fuck about?
Maybe you should stop speedreading. Kaneki does care about his old friends he just can't compromise his position in the CCG or kill humans. That's why he threw Shuu off. He couldn't kill Ui, couldn't let Tsukiyama go and explain it to Ui somehow. The only chance of survival for him was being thrown off the roof, regardless of how low the percentage was. Urie thinks Kaneki doesn't give a shit about Hinami anymore, and the rest of the CCG won't either. If he was visiting Hinami every day it would be painfully obvious who broke her out when she does, and she will, get broken out.
>Why are you underestimating the fact that Furuta and Kaneki went there to visit Eto? And know about each-other?
Maybe, just maybe, Furuta was paired with Kaneki, because Kijima died? Nothing suggests that Kaneki knows that Sout ais Furuta. Hell we have literally just a single page of them together.
That's obvious, but I doubt that she would reveal his identity before Kaneki for no reason at all.
Did you even understand the post you replied to?
He's one of my favorite characters now.
He'll probably be my #1 by the end of this arc
More than ever, even more than before.
If Kaneki knows Furuta is on the ghoul side and wants to team up with him and Eto, then why wouldn't he meet her in secret instead of going to Takatsuki's work looking for her? It makes no sense, humans obviously work there and CCG investigators going there looking for her would just raise suspicion.
Kaneki went there in broad daylight to trap her and expose her being a ghoul.
>Maybe, just maybe, Furuta was paired with Kaneki, because Kijima died?
Well it took six month to get them paired. Pretty low of you to say that. Let's just wait for the confirmations. I still think Kaneki and Furuta went there to visit Eto. Since if CCG really knew about that then they needed a whole squad for that.
It's literally the same with Eto got sliced into half and some believed she will not regenerate, then next chapter showed she was fine
I could like Saiko and Urie without Haisebitch and fucking trap. They actually behave like teammates, no drama, no spoonfeed your supposed teammate. Let's see how Ishida ruins this squad with fake family drama.
>Well it took six month to get them paired.
>source my ass
Just hang yourself at this point
>I still think Kaneki and Furuta went there to visit Eto.
No one said that they weren't.
>Since if CCG really knew about that then they needed a whole squad for that.
Why would the CCG know that Takatsuki is Eto? Kaneki never told them. If anything he told them that she can help him with his case or he's searching for clues.
Once in awhile someone makes a good point or finds some interesting symbolism/parallel.
You really made it sound like he paired with him at this very moment
>If anything he told them that she can help him with his case or he's searching for clues
So you mean that Kaneki asked a permission to go visit Eto? I thought you were on the side of framing Eto. So I just want to know, for information or threatening her
Kaneki may be an ASC, but he certainly had to tell the CCG or at the least Furuta a legit reason why he would want to see her. And no he obviously didn't tell Furuta about his life and all that shit, because he doesn't know Furuta's real identity and goal. So either he told him that she is involved in a case OR could have informations about something specific. He clearly didn't reveal that Takatsuki is Eto.
>actinh like Kaneki and Aogiri are friends
Not to mention, the crazy bitch DID cut off his arm and crack his skull while screaming. Kaneki probably held a brief grudge.
I mean, he left Yamori beaten and broken knowing that CCG was gonna find him helpless and kill him, and the only reason he ONLY half killed Ayato was because he was Touka's brother, implying he would have killed him otherwise.
Kaneki can be quite cruel to those who cross him.
Or maybe Kaneki is a multidimensional character and not just you average shounen MC that tries to save everyone and the one that's there to bridge peace or some nonsense.
>yfw urie plans to fuck washuu's wife in revenge
>Kaneki now is almost full Autisma
>no more ghoul scum around him
>ghoulfags completely BTFO
After :re ends with Touka, Yomo, Bestkick and all the other anteiku trash dead, we'll finally move on to TG:CCG, where Kaneki will get rid of Aogiri and all the other ghoul shits.
You're missing the point. He would use Aogiri to get Hinami out. Aogiri ghouls will die in the Cocklea raid and he gets his Hinami back. Its win-win for him, he's not some edgy 14 year old like you make him out to be that wont use resources available to him because he hold a grudge
Honestly this is pretty much TG:CCG already.
Yeah look how that worked for him.
You all expect him to do something it took a large group of aogiri members to do and didn't even fully succeed when even most of the CCG was gone.
>still acting like Aogiri would listen to a single thing he says or offers
Yeah, it's not like he's been killing aogiri fodder and practically every single Aogiri member has a reason to hate that piece of shit.
The large group of Aogiri members had to break in then break out, he just needs to break out.
Yeah man, completely retconning his character is multidimensional.
Did you just learn that word today?
>The large group of Aogiri members had to break in then break out, he just needs to break out.
Which they had an easy time with both times because the CCG force was at their base.
>That's where Ayato comes in.
>gets fucked over by kaneki
>gets told to stop being a bitch by tatara
>lol xd if kaneki tells him that hinami is in dangerr he'll save her
Tatara and Eto were needed to break in the first time and the security is higher now. Ayato would never be able to do that and no one would listen to him instead of Tatara including Naki and Miza.
What if Kaneki is gonna try and get Aogiri and CCG to fight each other and in that fight he releases Hinami
and Donato. He hurts both sides and saves Hinami. In that time Batmon and Kurona also show up.
It's not about whether Kaneki is multidimensional character or not. It's about who he is as a person. He won't leave people he cares about for certain death even if he hits rock bottom. And if you think it makes him a shounen MC, you're just retarded.
>mfw the discussions yesterday were pretty good with some blatant reddit retards poking their heads in, easily ignored
>95% of posts today are just completely boring, shit post quality or lacking any kind of real speculation or depth
Maybe that's part of his plan? Decimate Aogiri until they become desperate enough to listen to his deal. Both parties would profit from a Cochlea raid, Aogiri could get new troops and Kaneki could save Hinami without jeopardizeing his position.
Furuta knows that Haise is gone, and Kaneki knows Furuta is the mole / Souta
Kaneki and Furuta are not going to see Eto as an investigation target.
There is at minimum an understanding / mutual goal between Furuta and Kaneki
>lol xd if kaneki tells him that hinami is in dangerr he'll save her
He almost went charging in when he learned Hinami was imprisoned, you think he's just going to sit and watch when he learns she's going to be disposed off?
Holy fuck, if Kaneki wanted to break out Hinami he could by himself. He knows the ins and outs of Cochlea and is strong as fuck. He one-shot Eto with just his hand for fuck sake. There's no way he would need to conspire this much to save just Hinami.
>How the fuck did whatshername Tsukiyama pet midget knew that anyway?
She's not retarded
It was Haise, anon. Kaneki was still 21 at that time.
>an entire year and Ayato has done nothing.
So you honestly think when he hears about Hinami getting disposed off he's just going to Arata's dick and let her die?
I think he's going to get her out and then die in the process. There's so many flags that he's going to die sooner or later because of Hinami
Kaneki probably is very aware Furuta is a ghoul. Remember that ghouls can smell each other? Kaneki was said to have a particularly feminine smell due to Rize's kagune.
That only makes me wonder why the Qs don't realize it.
>I think he's going to get her out and then die in the process.
>Tatara and Eto literally said that they wouldn't be able to break in again
>hurr Ayato will break her out
Shipperfags are cancer
what is seriously wrong with kaneki? not only has he still not broken out hinami,but ignoring best imouto for half a fucking year to rot in that prison? what can he possibly do to redeem himself.
Why is that obvious? Souta has never shown any negative inclinations towards Kaneki during his appearances with the exception of the very beginning, and that had NOTHING to do with Kaneki. The rest of the clowns are quite fond of him overall. Their goals likely align. They could become at odds at a later time, but I really don't see it happening. Sorry, anon, but I'm just not buying it.
Yeah it would be really risky on their part however Kaneki was always at war with Aogiri so being the black reaper doesn't really change anything. Also the top brass of Aogiri knows about Kanekis and Hinamis connection and Eto is fucking insane so who knows how they would react.
>herphepr y doesn't he go super saiyan ghoul 3 and kill evry1????
He could have killed Ui and saved Tsukiyama without baiting Kanae into suicice yet he did things the way he did. What I am trying to say is, it's still a manga you dumbfuck.
I mean Furuta.
Kaneki was just an example of ghouls being able to smell each other.
If Furuta is a ghoul, other ghouls should be able to notice that. Kaneki could've realized it because of that.
The only hole in this is that the Qs didn't realize it.
TG thread today is garbage beyond imagination. You people seem to give literally 0 credit to Ishida's writing and spout some Naruto tier, hardly even one dimensional plot predictions. Please stop.
>Their goals likely align.
>We literally don't know Furuta's goal
>Kaneki was always at war with Aogiri so being the black reaper doesn't really change anything.
Then it makes even less sense for them to help Kaneki.
Why would the CCG be suspicious of him at all? There's been zero indication of this. If they were, do you really think they'd pair him with Kaneki of all people-- the investigator that there IS a lot of suspicion on? Likely less so since the Tsukiyama operation, but that's probably only increased the paranoia surrounding him honestly. We haven't really seen how other investigators feel about 'The Black Reaper' yet.
If he wanted to break Hinami out, he'd probably just job to whichever Aogiri schmuck, and make it look like she managed to get out on her own. Then he'd continue killing aogiri schmucks until he could take his 401k and CCG stocks to retirement.
Is a kagune not strong enough to break through bulletproof glass or is the glass in cochlea made out of something else?
Is there anything stated in the manga about why ghouls can't break out of cochlea themselves?
I know that iron bars are a ghouls worst enemy since Rize got rekt by them, but still.
Massive and sadistic retort, anon. It's called speculation you fucking idiot. You're right, we don't know his goal, we don't even know if he's actually Souta or not even though it's incredibly likely. That's why we speculate on shit. Ishida is making a very important point of showing off that Hinami is at the end of the line, and that Kaneki is completely ignoring her. Has he completely abandoned her? Almost definitely not. He's also going to see Eto with Furuta six months after learning her identity, and they're paying her a polite, requested visit as opposed to Owl Suppression Operation 2.0-- I wonder why Kaneki would take Furuta with him when he obviously has no intention of engaging her in a battle (This is unfair really, but they just fought three chapters ago so that isn't going to happen again already) and has no need to investigate her when he knows that she's the owl?
None of this is headcanon because I'm not stating what I think is happening as fact, I'm speculating on it.
What do you think?
Well, I bet it's all about personality/psychology. Urie has always been a cunt, he was too full of himself; that's why he was saying shit about "being so fucking strong and his new power" when he lost his shit. The other people are just kakuja/half-kakuja ussers. They must have been insane since normal ghouls wouldn't cannibalize.
You're so fucking boring. Jesus christ, anon. Engage a little bit. Tell me why you think I'm wrong instead of resorting to something that easy. Tell me what you think is going to happen and why.
>Tell me why you think I'm wrong
Because nothing, literally nothing indicates that Kaneki knows who Furuta is or that their goals align. Because you're taking your headcanon as arguments.
Are you this dense? This is like arguing with a brick wall, holy shit. I only said I THINK he does, and I outlined exactly why I have that line of thinking. It's not fucking headcanon. You can keep spewing the pretty new word you learned all you like, it doesn't make it relevant to what's being discussed.