I've tried but the animation terrible quality together with the incredibly childish plots made it very hard to watch more than 10 episodes.
There are some excelent movies from the time tho and I've watched a lot of those but tv anime is very bad.
that's all I watch.
mostly because men and women from that era look like men and women ,and not just some gender ambiguous hair/body mix-n-mash.
also : shading, the misthought in the 80s that Japan was going to be numero uno, and the music.
That's not really true. It got worse but gender ambiguity always existed in anime.
Pic related is a trap from the 1989 Patlabor anime.
Anon this may surprise you, but anime in the 80s wasn't produced digitally at 640x480. It was actually shot on film, and thanks to this interesting new technology called "Blu Ray", many of these shows are available in the high definition resolutions that your sad plebeian mind for some reason requires to enjoy anime.
>mostly because men and women from that era look like men and women ,and not just some gender ambiguous hair/body mix-n-mash.
Nice nostalgia goggles. Is this a boy or a girl?
>Wanting to unironically watch ugly art anime
>it needs to be more dot-like.
No thank you.
But what if at one point in time people DID care?
Not exactly, the most popular stuff is mostly crap but so is the least popular stuff.
You're a very tiny minority and your threads tell me all I need to know about why you watch this stuff.
>huge urge to feel special.
I don't understand. Is it a crime to watch anime that didn't air in the last decade?
>You're a very tiny minority and your threads tell me all I need to know about why you watch this stuff.
He's not a minority. A lot of people really loved the 80's style of animation. Mostly because of the shading. It made anime look "realistic" in terms of lighting and depth.
Artwise the best show I've seen in the past year is probably Hibike, and even then the best shots really pale in comparison to stuff like Bubblegum Crisis. KyoAni does shading basically anywhere except the face though, and it still looks like modern anime. Nothing like what the 80's and early 90's had.
>getting scared by some bits
Have a shitty TN panel, huh?
>shitting on Disney.
Traditional Disney animation is better than 99% anime because it's a lot more fluid and relies on that to show form instead of shading. The characters show complex movement without breaking form, no complex shading is needed to understand.
Since you're using that fucking Otaking picture, I assumed you were baiting but from your little write up there I can't tell.
Fuck off, you fucking retard. Pull your head out of your ass and actually watch some 80s anime that aren't movies and high budget OVAs. Look at all this great character shading from muh 80s anime! And Gorg is one of the better looking shows from the 80s. You also conveniently leave out the fact that shows like Lodoss which look great in stills are mostly just that: stills.
>living in a 3rd world shithole
That's your fault too.
Sure, but what does that have to do with the anime? The people that encode the series don't wish to compress it to hell and back - they'd just be wasting their time. It's your own fault for being in such a situation. Like hating on expensive food simply because you can't afford it.
I was kind of baiting, I believe in what I wrote but I don't think anime should look like that.
I know, snow white for example but even something like tarzan had fluid as fuck animation.
>Or that blu ray releases in the US were better.
What the fuck happened?
The world masterpiece theater will never be fully translated.
What happened is that Viz was given the DVD Master by Toei. So that's an upscale. Plus there were alleged telecine issues that are conveniently present in some Viz screenshots but not reproducable in the actual japanese DVDs.
Cherry picking or not, there's no denying the VAST MAJORITY of modern anime has lost the described "shading", to the point where any new anime that would feature such a characteristic would be deemed "old school"
Older anime isn't as good as modern anime, so yes, it ages. It's like how 80s/90s vidya isn't as good as current vidya. What would have been impressive in 1988 just isn't that fun today.
I just want to rewatch attack no 1. and see the girl again who was my waifu before I knew what is anime.
Also seriously changing Ayu's name to Mila, poor girls real name will forever be forgotten, but thats okay since best girl is pic related.
To some degree anime can age. There is the overall increase in speed across all media, that makes old anime feel slower.
Also, anime that has been copied over and over or has had an overall great influence on the medium as a whole may feel really generic, because the things that were new and exciting in them have been copied by everything since.
But I was born in 1997, and I watch old anime.
The world masterpiece theater will never get a new series.
same goes for old anime too, most was based on shading the major forms with a single tone like now, this is based on the few old ones I've seen, didn't akira like save anime with it's quality and that was near the 90's?
The 80s were great because back then MCs actually knew what the fuck to do with a woman.
Or maybe you got baited by the OP because you don't watch 80's anime and felt the urge to defend yourself when no one gives a shit.
Notice how most of the replies are actually discussing art and animation, and not shitting on people who haven't watched the shows mentioned in this thread. You are free to leave this thread any fucking time you want.
This is bait, right? If we're judging an anime's worth by it's technical prowess, then yeah it's possible that older anime is probably worse compared to modern ones, but you can't say art ages. A good anime in the 80s is still good nowadays. What's the expiration date on GitS? Does it stop being a masterpiece 10 years from now?
AB has them all except for one, but it looks like roughly half are subbed.
There's a project to get all of them in DVD ISOs. But they're hard to find on the internet. Not just in trackers, but for buying them.
Essentially this is the core of the issue people have with old anime.
Even anime today, if it doesn't look "normal" people discriminate without even watching it.
Those are some nice assumptions you got there buddy.
>Notice how most of the replies are actually discussing art and animation
So? I'm discussing it too, you dumb nigger.
I'm just saying that the only controversy here is OP acting like a faggot.
What did you guys think of Lodoss?
You seem to forget how everyone on /a/ wanked over OPM being the greatest sit ever before etting an anime., i've seenit counltless times in 3x3 threads.. Hell some peopel even considered it one of the best manga ever made and they weren't mocked for it.
I'm watching 90s anime instead. Starship Girl Yamamoto Youko.
It just isn't very good. It's too edgy, and in some respects it feels like a proto-Madoka. I'm sure Shinbo took a lot from this to reuse in it.
Maybe it will get better by the end, but I'm not enjoying it much right now.
Old anime, like modern anime is 80% garbage, I can't be bothered to shift through all that trash, I'd rather sit back and enjoy my sugar coated lolis doing loli things, then put in effort to bump up my /a/ elitism score.
That's because when OPM was just a manga very few people knew about it because plebbitors and newfags don't read manga. They're just here to discuss airing anime.
Then it got popular and neo/a/ decided OPM is now shit.
>he doesn't watch all anime regardless of when it was made
>he hasn't watched enough anime to know which ones aren't worthwhile before watching them while occasionally lurking /a/ just in case he missed something that's good then spending the free time he has from only picking up maybe one or two dozen anime a season watching his backlog
Why can't you like both old and modern anime? Why must we find petty reasons to be condescending to each other? Just be appreciative of the fact that anime has delivered consistent art and entertainement over the decades.
Why are 80's girls so much better than the girls today?
well nostalgiafags have one good point and that is that back there were less shit titles, especially compared to nowadays, when any successful LN gets an anime adaptation, which often ends up horrible, or the LN itself is bad anyway.
Please tell m e which 80's animes to watch OP-kun!
Why is /v/ on /a/ and why does everyone now allow it to happen?
Golden Boy is so good.
>He doesn't watch 60s anime
I'm overwhelmed. I just want the creme of the crop here.
Why the frick would I watch this ugly and outdated garbage when things like Keion exist?
80s grils are qt
It does. Things change. Something that was novel when the anime came out could be commonplace now and have been done much better by other things, and you won't enjoy that as much. And standards for some things do get higher, especially visuals - CGI's gotten much better over the last few decades, stock footage is no longer acceptable, etc.
Is there some recommendation chart including genres? I like the old style, hand drawn/shading, just never got around to watch old stuff. I don't want to fall for the "it looks interesting, but's hardcore mecha shit" trap.
Beautiful art and great animation!
Sorcerer Hunters is my favorite 90s guilty pleasure.
I just wish it had had a proper climax.
>not having unlimited data and a 10tb NAS
I know it's 90's, but I have been watching Sailor Moon recently and shit's good, it suprised me how it focused much more on the relationships between the girls rather than on the monster of the week aspect, Ikuhara is great.
Most of that was shit.
But looking that over, only one show had fewer than 13 episodes and only 3 had exactly 13. All else had 20 or more.
Quality always > quantity.
Modern studio producers don't want to invest in anything long-term unless it already has a huge name behind it and Jap TV is so competitive now due to the oversaturation of the market, they don't want to take any risks on stories that last more than one cour.
>His NAS is only 10 TB
I really haven't watched much 80s anime. I actually don't think I've watched a single TV anime, only a few OVAs and movies, but not much of that either. Though, to be fair, most 80s anime with a cultural continuity up to modern anime culture is OVAs.
It's not like I'm opposed to 80s stuff, it's just that I don't watch a lot of old stuff, and the 80s seems to be a dead period compared to the 70s and the 90s when it comes to older anime.
>he doesn't watch VHS rips of his favrit 80's filipino flipbooks
> animation terrible quality
Nice ordering of words, illiterate fool. 1987.
>mfw I use jbod because my nas is only two bay and I want more space
I don't actually care about losing my drives because I just keep and file listing and could download it all again but...I've got 2tb or so just of unwatched anime. It would take a while.
Also older anime is always fucking huge on bakabt. Everything is blur ray rips, which is nice but would suck for people on data caps, especially since older anime tends ot either be a couple of ovas, or a 100 episodes series + movies + ovas + another series.
>Also older anime is always fucking huge on bakabt.
Well yeah that's because it's all digitally scanned and has a ton of digital noise. If you want smaller filesizes download the DVDs, not the BDs.
This thread is interesting. Even if you guys are arguing I'm seeing a lot of cool shit I never knew about. It seems like 80s anime did have a lot of effort put into it, that you really don't see as much lately.
Where can I learn more about these older animation styles? I remember there was a thing about sakuga on youtube. I wish I had more patience to read about this stuff.
Because they generally weren't nearly as railroaded into archetypes like they are today.
I hate to say it like this because MUH NORMIES REEEE but by and large you can really tell that both the intended audience and those producing the show (although the latter group generally aren't as bad) are socially stunted in a major way and by and large that's sent writing in general and character writing specifically into a nosedive. This is true of many other forms of popular entertainment as well but anime has always been risk-averse on the business end (for what it costs to make one episode of your average TV anime, you could pay the salaries of several mangaka for a year) and anti-social on the consumer end so it's had a much worse time of it when all is said and done.
Fuck off. I don't care if you're trying to caricature people, fuck off. Every shitposter on /a/ has decided it'd be really funny to depict anyone who disagrees with him as an /r9k/ faggot, and it needs to stop.
Can't get enough of the costumes, displays and robots of the time.
The biggest problem is that the socially stunted okatu who grew up watching little girl anime are the ones producing it now.
So it's gotten worse due to inbreeding.
There are holdouts of goodness still there, but things that aren't easily-defined and consumed cliched archetypes are becoming rarer and rarer.
Holy shit, I need to watch this
First Slayers movie is out subbed/dubbed. Looks pretty good. Obviously video quality can't make up for any faults in the works themselves, but damn it makes them easier to watch and rewatch in these times.
>The creators have to change their frame of mind for the field to advance. And that doesn't look too hopeful in today's Japan. It's in a critical condition right now. I don't think there's any bright future. That's because the people who are producing it are now doing well. But there's also problems in the people who are watching it. The people who make it, and the people who want it, they're always wanting the same things.
>They've been making only similar things for the past ten years, with no sense of urgency. to get people going once more, you need to force people to go outside, to go out again.
No wonder Miyazaki put him in that movie.
90s Golden Era reporting in.
I've never seen more clear evidence that most posters on /a/ don't even like anime and just watch it to be part of a secret club and belong to something because they lack any form of social life outside of this. "If people don't talk about it on /a/ it is pointless to watch it" perhaps yes if you watch anime just to be able to discuss it on /a/ and don't actually care about the shows themselves. I watch anime because I enjoy it, being able to discuss it on /a/ is a secondary thing.
This may not be related to NEETs per se, the American movie industry is suffering from something comparable. With a few exceptions, most major releases play recently play it completely safe by being adaptations of something that's already popular (comics, shitty chick lit) or remakes of something older, or simply rehashes of established names/franchises. As for French cinema, that shit is dead and burried. It's been decades since they've produced something worth watching.
The old giants of entertainment are happy to sit on their laurels and watch their money grow. I think that Miyazaki was right (was it him?) when he said that anime most likely won't survive in Japan. A lot of Japanese studios are already hiring Korean animators, it's only a matter of time before the entire industry as a whole moves to Korea and Coreaboos become the new Weeaboos.
>I think that Miyazaki was right (was it him?) when he said that anime most likely won't survive in Japan. A lot of Japanese studios are already hiring Korean animators, it's only a matter of time before the entire industry as a whole moves to Korea and Coreaboos become the new Weeaboos.
It was Anno who said that, and it's pretty much bullshit. The Koreans are mostly in-betweeners, there's a much more dedicated consumer culture for this content in Japan (and those consumers largely hate Korea), and almost all of the studios, employees, companies, and interrelated industries are Japanese.
The majority of people who hate any particular genre or time period in anything are completely ignorant with regards to the actual content. The poster above would likely I assume also agree that the majority of anime today is shit. And I would agree with both of those statements. The majority of anime both today and in the past was shit and thats the way it always has been and will be.
Ok, which of the 40+ shows released in the past season are excellent? If you come up with a list of more than 5 to go in the category of excellent you probably have shit taste. I personally wouldn't put a single one of them in there. You get maybe 2 or 3 shows a year that could be considered excellent. Then another 10-20 that are decent. Maybe 20-30 that are watchable. The rest is just recycled trash. Just like in the past the majority of anime is trash. Cheaply made, poorly animated, awfully written trash.
>It was Anno who said that
Shit, my bad.
>there's a much more dedicated consumer culture for this content in Japan
Absolutely true, but aren't most of those consumers the dedicated otakus who pretty much only want harem anime and cute girls doing cute girls so they can buy the overpriced BDs and figurines that sustain the industry? Korea's answer to anime may not end up being such a moneymaking machine as Japans endless cute girls doing cute things, but I believe that in terms of artistic value it will be a lot more worthwhile than the majority of what Japan produces in a few decades, perhaps exactly because it will conform to a much more widespread/mainstream-oriented market model.
I'm one of those guys who believes art comes from adversity, and perhaps precisely because Japan is so entrenched and dominant in the market up and coming Korean competitors will be forced to compensate for what they lack in quality.
Also, how big is the hatred of Nips for Korea? A lot of their beloved cute girls doing cute things shows have a shitload of Koreans working on them already, right?
What you're describing isn't the industry moving to Korea, it's a completely animation industry springing up in Korea that doesn't compete with anime for viewers. Also, I believe Noblesse is about to be the first webtoon to get animated, and that's not a sign of artistic anything.
> how big is the hatred of Nips for Korea
The Sakurasou anime changed some nip food in the LNs into a Korean dish, and everyone lost it and sent death threats and later 2ch voted on a list of dark times in anime or something like that and put that in the second-highest tier.
>With a few exceptions, most major releases play recently play it completely safe by being adaptations of something that's already popular (comics, shitty chick lit) or remakes of something old
That is literally how it has been in Hollywood for the past 100 years.
Go look up how many Wizard of Oz movies there have been.
Remember what a groundbreaking and original movie Al Pacino's Scarface was?
It's a remake of the 1932 Scarface, which was in turn inspired by the actual crimes of Al "Scarface" Capone.
Also, the original Scarface did the "X" means someone's about to die thing first that The Departed copied recently.
You disagree that Otaking gave mostly cherry-picked examples of movies and high-budget OVAs and that shit like Lodoss can look so good in screenshots because it had frequent QUALITY and tons of stills? Because that's pretty hard to dispute.
It's worth it.
If by "cherry-picked" you mean prime examples to illustrate the point he's making then sure, I agree. It would be silly to give examples that don't really clearly show the issue.
I can only speak from personal experience and preference (i.e. OPINIONS), but I'll take beautiful Lodoss stills or even a shitty 80s cell-painted TV show over the post-2000 glorified flash animations any day.
WoH was one of the first things I ever saw. Still nostalgia hard.
Also, why have there not been any HnK or LoGH fags in this thread? Feels old man.
If your examples aren't even slightly representative of most shows, then you've fucked up. Yes, fucking Naruto's visuals are worse than an OVA series', you sure proved a lot there.
It wasn't so long ago that retro threads could happen without being bombarded with bait/shitposting in the first 20 posts.
Who hurt you, /a/?
This is still mostly daytime /a/. These threads need to be made after dark, when all the kids have gone to bed because they have middle school tomorrow.
Are you trying to disprove my bit about the visual being worse than an OVA's? Because that has really low-detail designs and coloring, bad digital work, and nothing really exceptional or labor-/cost-intensive. It doesn't compete with Gunnm.
Currently watching Shin Hakkenden, OP. It's actually from the late 90's, but it looks retro. I have a huge nostalgia boner for it.
People from 3x3 threads are generally the ones that started most of the old anime general type of threads that never used to exist to be honest. The reason for shitposting in this thread is that OPs post is bait. It gets the thread more attention and keeps it alive longer but at the cost of increased levels of shitposting.
You're conflating the causes, though; anime is dying because it has to pander to autist manchildren and horny teenagers to survive whereas hollywood films are too big to fail and as such they have to suck in as many casuals and dudebros as possible. The problem is almost the same but the causes and therefore solutions are the same.
I remember watching it a few years back I think I finished the OVAs but struggled to finish the TV series. It is like you said, it isn't bad to watch or anything just not all that compelling. I can barely remember it now to be honest.
Thread sure baited out the casuals, jesus christ.
Anyway OP, completely burned out on 80s OVAs so I'll be working through my 90s backlog for now. This series isn't actually that good but sticking through for the exhibitionist toilet stall ghostslut and shotacon miko.
Anybody who thinks all '80s anime is low-resolution ugly garbage needs to go find a good high-res copy of Do You Remember Love? right now.
That whole move is like watching artbook illustrations in motion, I still think it's the greatest work of animation of all time. I wish I could find a screenshot that really showed it off, google is just turning up bland scenes or low-res DVD shots.
Lodoss only had an animation budget after episode seven, not including the first episode.
I mean, the art is nice and high detail, but it's barely animated and the fights are awful. They pick up a lot after that though.
>Lodoss only had an animation budget after episode seven
Opposite of Guyver then. First half is a masterpiece, then this the rest of the way.
Anyone else here thinks character design like pic related is cuter than your usual big googly eyes moe artwork?
Watching WMT made me have a thing for 19th century girl's fashion.
But those are 90s girls.
Yeah. It's like a pleasant sweetness compared to the sugary diabetes-inducing sweetness of modern CGDCT anime.
I am also not fond of the common anime reaction face like the >< eyes and the high-pitched voice they love to give to lolis. It's hilarious hearing 14-year old Silica sounding younger than the 7-year old Anne from Konnichiwa Anne (both voiced by Rina Hidaka, quite a popular Va for lolis)
It's the femininity. Both fictional and 3DPD women lack that quality as of the last few decades (bitter /r9k/ types have been saying this for years but both social sciences and popular opinion have picked up on this line of thought now), mostly because they try to act like men and most heterosexual men find masculine traits repellent in a potential mate.
Traditional Japanese animation before Tezuka was also fluid as fuck.
But guess what, disney animation is overly expensive, which is why Tezuka used limited animation in his stuff.
Yes, a lot of anime are pretty choppy, but this technique is the reason why Japan can make so many. Limited animation is more creative as it allows animators to have more freedom in what they animate without having to worry that much about their own budget.
Just to recap, Japanese animation is actually superior, because when you use that technique, it gives you time to focus on the art rather the animation.
Do WMT animus have shading?
The sheer amount of frames per second makes all the motions so fluid. I fear the sort of jerkiness that CG has is here to stay unfortunately.
I don't think one necessarily needs to be superior to the other. They different, but both produce great stuff. The weight and movement in Disney animation does wonders for characterization for instance.
And 'focusing on the art', have you seen older Disney movies?
>Search for DVDISO or BDs not quite newly released, of old anime
>Manage to find a source
>Check. It's seeded! There are 2 seeders!
>Feel lucky. Proceed to download for the next 3 months. Watch each disc in order as they complete.
>Search and search, and only find someone who split it up into 130 minimum pieces and put them all on some rapidshare-like site.
>Download 10 of them
>Get bored and stop bothering.
You're making a positive into a negative. It's better now than it ever has been, now that shitty re-encodes are beginning to fade. They're only good for the fansubbing component and sampling a show in advance, anyway.
The feel of finding seeded BDs. Now if I could just finish with Paranoia Agent...
At least it was a gag when Patlabor did it. Also, fuck Bud.
Weight? I often feel that disney characters are weightless, and they just glide over the scenery. The movement is good only because they use so many fucking frames.
I watched some old disney stuff as a kid, like cinderella and snow white and yeah, they look expensive.
Money is the reason why Japan developed their own style. Look at Toei's Hakujaden. It's bleeding money everywhere.
People like to shit on cost cutting techniques like screen shakes or stock footage but they don't even realize that without those techniques, their precious anime might never make it out of the door.
And you'd be surprised how much of that is actually decent, but most people who shit on older anime and act like modern moeblobs are the pinnacle of telebi never bother to find out.
That's a particularly qt one, though. Also, should Noa count as an 80's or 90's girl? OVA1 was '88 or so but the franchise continued its first run of anime and manga content into '93, is set predominantly in '98-2000 and had its last entry in 2003.
I'm going with 80's.
I've seen and enjoyed many 80s mecha shows, but don't know what non-/m/ stuff is good from that era. Is stuff like Maison Ikkoku actually good? I love hand cels and have seen most of the good 90s and all of the good 70s by now.
Is there a chart somewhere that shows GOOD 80s anime?
Surely there's bunch to debate since both have their own strenghts, I was mainly salty about how the image implied that disney uses some shit tier animation when some of the best animators have disney background and the movies back that up
People actually get the US / North American versions? They're near universally inferior, and in addition, half the time they pack fucking ADVERTISEMENTS onto the disc! So the main content is more heavily compressed.
Disgusting. Don't buy American trash until someone surfaces who can get their shit together and do it right. Does anyone have some screenshots of the banding everywhere present on Lain BDs? When the Japanese version was just fine. Issue slike that are par for the course.
Yes, such wondrous times we live in now, with light novel adaptations and highschool romcoms a dozen a season. Thank you Tezuka-sensei for opening the doors to these masterpieces of animation to not only exist, but also flood the market and make it so it's the only thing that keeps animation studios afloat. Nippon banzai.
>there are people right now
>in this thread
>who still haven't watched Joe
Bunch of faggots
I love AnJ but Rose of Versailles is better. I bet even less people have watched that.
Good thing that the winner was the one who worked the hardest
Does this look like a winner to you? I bet he gave up boxing afterwords
I love Cobra too but I'll take the shows with an engaging story over him.
I find it hilarious. People always go on about how their old anime is better and the greatest thing ever but can only ever name like one or two titles that are good like Gunbuster and can never name anything else.
Ashita no Joe
Ashita no Joe 2
Every Lupin III movie from the 80's, it would take too long to list all of them.
Rose of Versailles
Armored Trooper VOTOMs
Every Gundam from the 80's, it would take too long to list all of them.
City Hunter 2
Hokuto no Ken
Hell, even fucking LoGH which the majority of /a/ already watched. And let's not get into the /m/ stuff. You're just a casual.
He might have won the physical battle but he still underestimated Joe and by the end of the fight is probably even more mentally fucked up than Carlos.
(Probably an unpopular opinion)
It's not that I hate old anime or anything but I definitely would not waste my time watching any classic shows because of the writing.
The literature of a country reflects the culture that it's author was exposed upon. The conservative, punky, and retro 80's and 90's is already one thing. But the zonophobic, and sexist culture of old Japan is just unbearable.
Just take a look at Utena for example. When it first aired, the nips insisted that there was no yuri in it despite the confirmation from Ikuhara himself. They treated it as nothing more than friendship between 2 girls. And when the movie arrived to fuck them all away, they harassed the author again by saying that he made the gay too much. (lel)
Now, look at Love Live, K-on and Touhou
It's entire franchise was completely barren of any signs of gay and yet it is one of the Japan's biggest yuri franchise. It is so big that even if the fujo's and haremshit franchise combined themselves, they still won't be able to light a candle to the yuri industry.
Kancolle and Girlfriend BETA had all the elements of a perfect harem but ALAS. Japan aimed it as yurifags. Gee, I wonder why
>not into animes with 30+ episodes
now I know why most /a/nons seemed odd
let me help you there senpai
Area 88 OVAs
Birdy the Mighty
Future Boy Conan
Ghost Sweeper Mikami
Hell teacher Nube
Recca no Honoo
Space Captain Tylor
The entirety of the World Masterpiece Theater
You're under arrest!
seriously, lurk the fuck more anon
I had to look this one up.
So old Japan just wouldn't put on those seatbelts, and it's presumably because they were circumcised? Uncut male here, curious how these two things relate?
>sexist culture of old Japan
How so? None of your examples were satisfactory?
Your favorite 2015 girl Miyamori Aoi doesn't watch 90s anime. How does it makes you feel?
awful cherrypicking garbage
>LOOK AT THIS GORGEOUS ANIME SERIES
>movie, movie, high-budget direct to video, movie, etc
>NOW LOOK AT THIS SHITTY MODERN ANIME
>tv series, tv series, tv series
My mistake. it's "xenophobic".
It was only recently that the Japanese women were treated fairly. And they still have alot to work in
Oh I see. It's via some limited early recollection of being restrained that's associated with pain and anxiety. Hence the avoidance of the seatbelt. This got kind of dark, fast, anon.
While that's an interesting hypothesis about the source of Japanese culture's underpinnings, that still doesn't explain how it relates to what you're saying.
I haven't personally seen a high concentration of sexism in Japanese works, if anything, it's the opposite. Japan seems far more into realistically portrayed, self maintaining and "strong" female characters. Even hentai from the time has a lot of that, though their 3D porn is just the opposite. Which shows something about demographic of consumers and producers.
Nah. I just don't see it. I do think if you go looking for sexism, you're going to see it in all things. It's no more of an accurate perspective than mine. It no better encompasses the whole.
No, I mean pretty much what I said. Rounded characters.
Could be selection bias on my part. What I described is what I like to see for characters, so it's what I've watched. I don't like two dimensional or "false" depth, which [...]dere very often is.
A lot of Westerners are pretty ignorant about Eastern culture.
I'm pretty ignorant about the majority of Eastern culture. I know buddhism created the concept of atoms around the same general time as Democritus, I know about obscure concepts like the rainbow body, and their warfare. But nowhere near a coherent framework of the whole deal. Most of what I think I know is probably at least part wrong, if not more.
What the hell do you expect?
Where do you live? Depending on history, people tend to be kinder on the countryside.
The UN reported that Japan does seem to be very xenophobic
You can even see this on shows like Symphogear and Zankyou Terror wherein there's subtle signs that Americans are evil for no apparent reason
>You can even see this on shows like Symphogear and Zankyou Terror wherein there's subtle signs that Americans are evil for no apparent reason
We destroyed them militarily, their own emperor abandoned their bushido code and surrendered, we repeatedly launched air raids bombing major population centers and ravaging their cities, then dropped two nukes on them. After which occupying their country, disallowing them from having a real military, and still having military bases there to this day.
Which is all par for the course when you're in, and lose, a war. But nonetheless. They got westernized very quickly, and that sharp contrast is apt to leave a lingering bitterness when you look at their history and how their culture has worked.
That's what I'd guess is going on. They've always been a very closed country as far allowing outsiders to begin with.
>You can even see this on shows like Symphogear and Zankyou Terror wherein there's subtle signs that Americans are evil for no apparent reason
>the culture must be racist/xenophobic because a couple cherrypicked content creators are
Do you want me to start listing the thousands of western television programs loaded with racism and national superiority throughout the ages? It would be shorter to list the programs that DON'T have some random ignorant stereotype or caricature inserted into them. Or would you rather I list Japanese series like Log Horizon, Planetes, or TTGL that are practically love letters to Western culture?
You go anywhere on earth and find racist elements, because every country on earth has their fair share of awful shitbags, that's just the way the human race is. Yet people go out of their way on the internet to single out Japan as some kind of rat's nest of xenophobia, despite the fact the average westerner gets all their information on Japanese culture from sensationalist garbage sites like Rocketnews or Sankaku because they can't think of the country as anything more than "that wacky place full of cartoony hive mind clones who all buy panties in vending machines".
I'm not impressed at all really, I guess I was being too polite. It felt like there was some thinking going on, even if I didn't agree with it at all.
Educated through tumblr, of course.
>love letters to Western culture
Are you for real, nigga?
Pic related is what a love letter to Western culture is.
>There are Japanese who link the downfall of their culture as back as the Perry expedition in the 1850's, and advocate that going back to an Edo era society would save and preserve the Japanese way of life
I wish I was making this up
>They got westernized very quickly, and that sharp contrast is apt to leave a lingering bitterness when you look at their history and how their culture has worked.
Only for the short-sighted. In the long run they avoided getting BTFO by the commies, got a moral education on technology (this is extremely important, look at China importing literal canned air because of their pollution levels and the rest of east asia not being far behind and looking like landfills to boot - they didn't get the reality check that Japan did), have saved gorillions on defense non-spending over the last 70 years and have maintained their national, ethnic, social and spiritual identities more than any comparable nation I can think of. They've made out like fucking bandits.
That's not to say that they shouldn't harbor some ill-will about the war, but it was never a war that they were going to win in the first place and it probably saved them from something much worse.
>this entire thread
never was it clearer how shit /a/ is
A major factor in the US is knowing we settled and started killing off the native americans. Most people don't realize what a good fight they put up despite lacking a writing system and being at a severe technological disadvantage. By the time we were driving the bison to near extinction to push the remaining tribes either to the south, or further west (mainly to lay the railroad), it was already pretty much done though. Just cordoning off and picking away at the strays.
There's this straight "white guilt" deal going around that paints Europeans as the mad apes that colonized, conquered, and waged war after war driving our technology to the point where we could wander on off to all those nice humans just living peacefully with nature. This is tied in with the old idea of "the noble savage". In reality their history is very similar to ours's, locally. Whether they ever would have branched out you can only postulate. It's likely Europeans just beat them to it for various ecological reasons. Interesting enough though, the Mayans appear to have also had reasonable advanced technology and mathematics.
Weird world out there. The idea of white guilt is itself almost racist. Like we went around and kicked those subhuman animals around like they were the size of our boot. I say "we" and "our", but that itself is a symptom of this shit. There is no we. There is no our. It's an illusion, and you could just as likely be in hell living in Europe as anywhere else. Hence why people left so often.
I met her IRL, she could not comprehend how I (am mexifag) didn't gave two shits about our previous altercations with the US, even after explaining something similar to >>135697951, or the entire mexican dream period of the 40's~60's
Every generation complains about how they miss the old days though. So I guess that's that