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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
There are so many things about playing football that seem to me uniquely American. Anybody can succeed, anybody can play, but you've got to work hard to do it.
Is it even possible for a Japanese anime girl to eat something and NOT squeal "おいしい！！！"? Or in this case, おぃっし～！ I mean, are there not other words that convey that foot tastes good? I can't take this.
Was Tamako's calligraphy really better than Miwa's?
You just want to be able to recognize them in kanji. Like, you see 課 and then "ah yeah that's 田 言 and 木". So, you should be testing to see if you recognize them. A convinenent way to do this is the "english meaning", really anything on the back that confirms you recognized what's on the front.
This is the first time I've seen a double negative used like this to mean a positive
I've been learning English for 2 years now and are contemplating about dropping it on behalf of the japanese language. Should I really do this or had better work on my English further? I'm a Russian guy of 25 by the way thus feel that i'm getting old enough to be late for that
>25 by the way thus feel that i'm getting old enough to be late for that
>25 too old meme
>not a new IP
You had me up until that point though. You should've at least made it your first post in the thread to make it more believable.
Keep posting on 4chan and you will learn English
You can do both. Your English is clearly advanced enough that you don't have to devote so much time to it anyway. Just keep shitposting on 4chan and maybe reading some books in English. Don't give up.
Is it worth self-beheading if I didn't start out learning English in my childhood and instead did it 2 years ago, to wit when i was 23? I gather that all i can do is to forget about taking japanese courses or living in japan even after 10-16 years of practice
>typical adult learners
>take snail paced classes, with all of their counter-intuitive methods
>go home, watch TV in their native tongue, read books in their native tongue, speak their native tongue with their fellow immigrant friends and family
>work in environments that are friendly towards their native tongue
>four hours per week in class + homework is literally all that they do to learn the language
>typical child learners
>spend all day at school
>surrounded by native speakers of the new language all the time
>more hours of the day than not involve the new language being pounded into them
The true source of the "25 is too old" myth.
But if I already know how to speak Ukrainian and Russian either which are the hardest and richest languages in the world and still i havent seen anybody who could say the least in those ones. And you go on saying dont fucking bother? are you serious???
This, kinda. In my country English is mandatory for everybody during all of what would in Japanese terms be elementary, middle and high school, and yet 90% of people are completely helpless with English. This is partly because the education system itself is shit, but it's mainly because they're only pushed to understand/speak English during classes or when doing homework, which is no different from the situation most failed adult learners go through. Heck I went through the same thing "trying" to learn German. People just don't study and expose themselves enough.
That classification is meant as a reference for native English speakers. It doesn't serve as an objective parameter to judge which languages are the hardest ones in the world, if such a thing could or should even be defined.
Not really any memes, but there is definitely some slang speech. There's also not really any furigana though, unless it's some special name like 2 man cell.
I understand most of the words, but at the same time I don't do anki so I'm not sure how the vocabulary presented rates in terms of difficulty. I don't think the game is too difficult as long as you know everyday language.
May i disagree with such an absurd statement? First of all I think that you're wrong because it's just ridiculous and pitiful. You really better watch yourself before doing something again
You're an even bigger loser if you fap to 3dpd.
WHY IS THIS FUCKING LANGUAGE SO DIFFICULT TO LEARN? WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE DIFFERENT WORDS FOR COUNTING THINGS? WHO CAME UP WITH ALL THIS BULLSHIT?
Nice post there, friend. Thanks for adding to the pile of extremely low quality retarded frogposts.
I wonder if there's a comprehensive list of frog image MD5s so I don't have to manually filter each one that pops up.
I can help you a little making that list, friend.
From the linguistic point of view, English was and still remains being the most retarded language due to its fixed word order, lack of genders and adequate diminutives not only for nouns but also for adjectives as well as for verbs. Having said that I venture to assume that there is some sneaky sly agenda all across the world. Dirty naughty kikes want to see people from other cultures getting retarded by using English on a regular basis in lieu of their own.
Fuck off, I can do it. Don't try to infect me with your negativity.
Genders are the worst thing ever invented in languages and anyone who uses them deserves ISIS rule. Literally adding an entire new thing to learn for every noun and gaining absolutely nothing.
Is it just me or is this place worse than usual today? I mean, it's already been worse than usual lately, but today it's almost like I'm on /b/ or /s4s/ or /pol/ or something.equally shitty.
Help me make this ugly frog girl a meme.
sometimes when posters get uppity about their spooks like tumblr and reddit they experience an overwhelming need to shitpost in order to prove that they're 'true 4channers' unlike everyone else talking about the thread topic. This last year it's been particularly strong due to hot topic shit like GG, censorship and /pol/ raids calling in tumblrites like a fly to an electric swatter.
probably print it out and cum on it, I don't know.
Just close the tab, I popped in here to brag about my kanji and now I'm going to close the tab
This is what you'd call cultural Marxism.
By ridiculing the customs we hold dear, they hope to turn this place into a second Reddit hugbox.
45 year-old japanese here. How should i start out learning English language from the very scratch? Do I have to learn Latin alphabet first or grammar and all the rest i'll finish thereafter?
No, whoever told you that is a lazy idiot. Just because they don't appear as often it doesn't mean they don't appear. Any text longer than a paragraph will probably have some katakana in it.
You're already learning over 2000 kanji anyway, what difference are 50 more characters going to make?
>How new are you?
Started posting near the end of 2004. You?
There are things which are worth pointing out every time it happens. This isn't
>/a/ -#YOLO let's shit up the place and not care.
If this site hasn't been completely integrated into Gawker by 2020, I'll still be pointing out the stupidity of shitposts and letting the individual know their action wasn't welcome. Not everyone rolls over like a little bitch, anon.
Maybe you need a bit more experience then. Even if you were lucky enough to find a novel containing only 1500 different kanji in it that doesn't mean knowing 1500 kanji is enough to be a functional reader. There's no guarantee the 1500 kanji in that novel are going to coincide with the ones you know, and even if they do, the ones in the next novel probably won't, and it probably is going to contain way more kanji too, not to mention all of the names and just general 表外漢字 you're going to run into all of the time. If you want to be semi-illiterate go ahead, but anyone aiming for reading fluency should be thinking in terms of 3000+. Unless of course you're satisfied with having to stop to check a dictionary all of the time and/or being bound to content aimed at children or with plenty of furigana.
Just a bit more and I'll be there, got something like 2300 kanji under my belt.
Why's Tae Kim so fucking boring.
Blah blah blah state of being, blah blah blah generic noun, blah blah blah target particle, adverb & whatever the fuck.
Just fuck off, you annoying Korean prick.
Nothing on the back of the card does anything to hurt your retention, and if you put the audio on the front for anything but dedicated listening cards you're doing something really wrong
The only time I ever actively studied kanji was in anki, and pic related is my total time in Anki, ergo, assuming you have a similar memory and mindset as me, you will need to study for roughly 450 hours.
This doesn't count reading practice of course which is a big deal but also not something everyone calls "studying" per se
Depends on what you read. With around 2000 kanji you can read most things decently, but some take less and some take more. You can (and should if you plan on taking this seriously) start reading with much less than that really, you'll just have to use the dictionary a lot. Personally I think around 500 kanji is a good enough number to start reading practice.
As for how long it will take to learn that, that's all a matter of how many kanji you can learn a day. People vary from as low as 5 to as high as 60. It's up to you.
You're not "supposed" to remember the things you did yesterday; the cards are still young, and therefore you're still going to forget them. Just keep doing your reviews, you'll remember them eventually.
Naah. You can't force things into your memory, really. You can make mnemonics to help, but there's not much else you can do except expose yourself to the content a lot until you remember it naturally. Of course, this is why reading is recommended to be done along side anki, but if you're just starting the only other exposure you'll be getting is the Japanese found in grammar guides and example sentences, but that's fine too.
It shouldn't be too long before you get into the groove of anki and find yourself hitting "good" a lot and generally noticing yourself get better. If you stick with it, you WILL start remembering stuff.
Also, there are three settings you should change that will help you a LOT.
- Go to the deck options and change review limit to 9999: you do NOT want a review limit of 100
- Change steps from 1 10 to 1 10 30 or 1 10 10
- Go to tools -> preferences and change Learn Ahead Limit to 0
Not really, if you put the last step too low you might see and "complete" it before you're done with the rest of the deck, and if you put it too high anki will (by default, can be changed in the preferences under "learn ahead limit") force you to wait until you're within a set number of minutes (30min by default, I think) of the cards due time.
I like to put it to something high like 30 or 60 and set the anki learn ahead limit to anything above that, so you have to "level up" all your cards for today to the final step before you cycle through them all again. This ensures you don't forget a card you got right a few times at the start of your study sessions once you're nearing the end of the session.
Skipping my Anki reviews as well as doing no new cards yesterday (except doing a few just for stats peen) was an excellent decision. I was failing them all, yet today I have great retention. You obviously have to stick with Anki if you want great vocab retention but if you're having a truly awful day then just skip it so you can go in the next day with a better mindset.
Is there a good guide in the OP on how to draw certain hiragana and katakana?
Recently found out that I had been drawing certain characters incorrectly, and I would rather not enforce bad habits in the future.
Literally 2 seconds to google
Probably should have specified whether there are preferred style to try an memorize.
It got to a point where I was having a hard time recognizing characters since other styles varied, since I'm assuming some are made with one stroke, while others prefer simpler cleaner lines.
I'll check it out, thank you.
hellooo, could someone help me with what this says?
Well I guess Ill try it, 180 isnt a big guy!
Sorry to ask another about this same work but this sentence is just kicking my ass. I can understand some sentence fragments but can't quite understand the overall meaning.
Something about shaking off not having a reason.. ? A person striving to achieve the goal body? Not having that much passion and attitude?
>You clearly don't have a reasonable grasp of grammar
...That's why I'm reading, anon
Perhaps only those who could shake off not having a reason and striving forward on their own path can obtain a perfect body, but I myself don't have that much of a passionate disposition.
Is this Mishima? Feels like something Mishima would write. I say that because he's muscular.
I did post something else earlier, so you likely did.
Thank you. This makes sense. It seems I need to study と more in depth.
This is just some LN I found online. 「神のゴミ箱」 by 入間人間
Telling someone to use the fucking card layout options of anki (one of the most important things to learn when it comes to anki) is pretentious?
just buy a textbook and go take some classes instead
inb4 wikipedia, have an american https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Bokamper
and an australian
nothing pretentious about it -- you don't want to use it, and we don't want to spend our time teaching you how to use it. so you can see we're actually in violent agreement. if anyone is pretentious, it's you, acting like you have such important things to do that you can't spend 10 minutes browsing a manual. run along now.
Just got back from playing Skyrim. Was AWFUL study. 90% just bandits saying "痛い目にあうぞ" or Guards saying "Skyrimのために！" . 10% was item descriptions which are brief and to the point. Meh.
Please tell me you were being ironic with this post.
>over 500 new words form a single day of reading
>the majority of them are uncommon words and terminology
Jesus christ just kill me.
Thanks man, back to writing all this shit down.
That's just a sign of your dedication to learning Japanese.
Extreme sports people often shit themselves while performing in their chosen field as to stop means death. That you treat Japanese with similar respect to them is something to be admired.
>what the fuck? google
But she never spoke hokkaido before
Doesn't really matter to be honest. Even if you add a ton of words that are easy to remember, have easy readings, have obvious meaning, etc, that'll just mean you can do more new cards a day w/ just as high retention. All benefits.
Don't do it anon, there's so much to live for! How will you die in peace without having seen Kizumonogatari after all these years? Without seeing the new season of Full Metal Panic?
What does this say? Google Translate makes no sense
anna was my first REAL waifu. Movie had a wierd hold over me for a while..and I'm usually a pretty normal guy
at the time, only casual shit like SNK, deathnote, naruto, FMA, SAO, etc.
but i've branched out and will watch just about anything now really. Waifu count has definitely gone up since then.
kek, waifus are like lays potato chips, can't just have one
more like who /fit/ here, anki reps in between lifting sets master race.
You guys ever listen to a Japanese song, read the lyrics and realize that the word they're singing sounds nothing like it should be read. It happens a few times and I'm looking for every reading to match it but nothing matches..
It could be any song from rap, jpop to j-rock.Just recently I was listening to Blurry Eyes by L'Arc and there are two part in particular at the beginning when he say 遠く and 続いている at 1:36. I was exaggerating in my original post but it's just it sounded that the つづ part sounded a bit off mark. I would post the song but I can't even find a full version on youtube.
Damn I really need to start proofreading my post. But I can't believe I missed the biggest one. In the song he's like めぐり来るときに but the lyrics say めぐり来る季節に。This could be just a fuck up by the sites I'm looking at but it's weird.
星の王子さまLe Petit Princeとちょっと関係があるのかな？
だ・です - They're missing full varbal conjugation, but ok, that's normal for specialized contractions
である - Now we're getting somewhere, a particle on a verb never hurt anyone
であります - Perfect, I like it
ではない - Ok, it's technically an adjective, I can see a change in the set of particles
ではありません - WHAT THE FUCK
I consider myself almost fluent and can read almost anything without a dictionary and sometimes I will check how many characters I can read in an hour, and while reading at a good 'fluent' speed I get about 10,000 per hour.
Recently I've discovered a website where people post their amateur writing (much higher quality than pixiv fanfics) and they have a variable for 'how long will it take you to read' and I figured it's 500 characters per minute aka 30,000 characters per hour.
Fuck even my fastest speed is only 1/3rd of a native and I can confidently say I'm one of the best in these threads.
For reference the average light novel is only 100,000 characters.
What's your choice of time to do your daily reps, /djt/?
>mfw doing reps at 11PM while sleepy as fuck
When I use Anki and press good it says it'll review "10m" later, but when i finish the other reviews it makes it just shows up again way before 10 minutes have passed. Is that supposed to happen?
Yeah, Anki is a bit dumb like that. Sometimes it can make those 10 minute reviews appear much later too if you have set an extra step and the other cards are ready to go there.
You tell me if the artist of that comic would make that kind of reference
kanken is offered to grade schoolers and isn't the monster you think it is
I wouldn't have asked if I didn't see 1-kyu and 2-kyu compounds there, and I wouldn't call those analogous to "stretching"
>kanken is offered to grade schoolers and isn't the monster you think it is
We aren't naive Japanese school graders, anon.
>I wouldn't have asked if I didn't see 1-kyu and 2-kyu compounds there, and I wouldn't call those analogous to "stretching"
There is a world of difference between writing something out from reference and being able to be tested on them in a kanken exam. They test a lot more than just the ability to write kanji.
>someone links to exhentai in another thread
>read the english despite being Japanese Expert because it's right in front of me
I love this shit
It's like a game of guessing how the translator fucked up and what the original text was. Anyone want to try their hand on this one? It's pretty easy~
Maki is the kind of girl you'd just love to rape.
I find myself drawn back. I don't want to quit, anyway, if you're referring to that "Quit 4chan video", it's true that 4ccan eats up a lot of time and is pretty negative. However, simply by not engaging with the debbie downers one's mood can remain high, you know? It's very refreshing, I think, I feel a lot better now than I used to.
But, at least, I close the tab a lot more and for a lot longer than I used to. Little by little, you know? I don't have anyone else to talk to about Japanese, you know, so I see the 薪を求めて, make the edit, and think "now who to show this to", but there's nobody who I can show it to but DJT, so I open the tab. I'll close it soon though.
The ol' in and out, aka fucking
>There is a world of difference between writing something out from reference
I don't know how the fuck you could know where the writing came from unless you were him (unless you're guilty of the same assumptions you accuse me of)
which would certainly explain your hostility to my question
Yeah it's pretty crazy.
I was thinking, like you, that they fucked up スタイル and translated it as "style" instead of "figure". However, スタイル isn't even there! Where'd they get style from!? Are they a *Japanese* person translating TO English and therefore put that in mistakenly? But then how did they fuck up so much of the meaning in the second sentence? It's baffling.
>using Nihongo Shock deck for kanji production
>includes things like 朋 and 旭 that you pretty much never see outside of names
>try to use google to find characters that I know that use these characters in their names
>no relevant results, unless you're a fan of gay basketball
>Don't learn them.
That's stupid. They're bound to come up eventually if I read long enough, which means that I need to know them.
Come to think of it, VNDB might be a better place to search.
I'm not assuming anything that what has been presented: an image of writing which was posted in a thread before by an anon explaining that they were practising writing kanji.
>which would certainly explain your hostility
No hostility. Terse, maybe, but certainly not offended in any manner to be hostile. I was generally perplexed at the initial response, also taking into account that such things like kanken are almost always mentioned in the same breath as an insult.
Was trying to understand your train of thought a little clearer is all.
Why would you want to learn to write kanji so rare you only see them in gay basketball names.
Maybe you're like that guy who's doing the 6,000 kanji deck? Sometimes I forget there's a lot of idiots in this thread.
Read the first volumes of のんのんびより and ひだまりスケッチ ストーリーアンソロジーコミック, if you want to see those two kanji being used in the context of something you can remember easier. The first six chapters of the Hidamari Sketch anthology tank are particularly warming.
Of course. I was purely using it to insult him. Much like one would call another a "motherfucker" without actually implying the person fucks mothers, I called him an idiot solely as an abrasive measure. You idiot.
So you've used a meaningless word for an empty insult which has no context other than to make yourself appear the fool on an anonymous image board?
I guess we all have our past times.
I'm not a big fan of comics in general, and there are probably 61~ cards in this deck that are almost purely used in names. I also have no shortage of reading material lined up once I finish reading what I'm reading.
They happen to be hipster kanji for common words, so I'm just using those along with clarification on the front that this is a hipster kanji spelling.
It turns out it's best to use their etymology because they you can associate the etymology of the radicals in a character with what the character means. Some radicals don't have sensible etymologies, though.
I'm curious as to what the proportion of people who explicitly learned radicals themselves is, because I sure as hell thought that was a waste of time and I turned out fine. Just picked them up gradually while learning kanji.
It's only going to be a couple hours at the end of it, just spread out over a few days.
Starting tomorrow, I am quitting 4chan, except for DJT. Lately I've realized my days are just disappearing and I don't even remember what I did all day. I just go from board to board looking for something interesting to read and wasting time.
I have learned math and science in English. I can't do daily conversation.
I've quit before, for about a month I think. I just need to keep quitting things until reading Japanese is the most interesting thing left.
I browse a, v, g, fit, diy, pol, b, d, s, lit, ic, trv, in roughly that order. Popular boards move faster, so there is is always something new. When you waste hours and hours every day, the slow boards aren't enough.
Just find things or habits or shit to fill up time in your day until there's no time left for 4chan. You're already learning Japanese, add in some exercise or a job or learn something else like a computer language or whatever.
its ok, most people just give you their life story. 詰らない
>17. Every year many people come to my hometown and enjoy.