Garou is by far one of the best built up villains you'll find. His fighting style, his power, his struggle, his evolution, his motivation. The time put into building him up. To think his saga played him up better than most entire series can do for its main hero.
its almost a shame that the road would be destined for him to meet face saitama. A villain this good appearing in any other shonen would be crazy incredible.
"Hurrr I want to be a monster, because heroes always win, that's not fair!!!"
Yeah no, great villains are relatable, not cliche retards who decide to go full evil just because the cartoons they watched as kids showed the good side always winning.
either... you're a speed reader. you didnt get far enough to actually know. or you're just stupid.
try actually finishing the arc before you shitpost.
>"Hurrr I want to be a monster, because heroes always win, that's not fair!!!"
He was kinda right since the majority of "Heroes" in the OPMverse are huge assholes that only care for personal glory and popularity like his school bullies did.
Totally agree. Can't wait for the entire Garou arc to be done by Murata so we can see what he does with the fight scenes he has in monster form.
Also his speech about Saitama being made up of all the "unfairness" in the world was great. You somewhat feel bad for him in the end, or I did at least. Hope we see more of him.
Nothing believable about some kid deciding his life purpose is to be evil because there needs to be more evil in the world, just... because.
How am I edgy? stop using words you don't even understand, faggot. A good villain should be relatable, I'm not saying I relate to most villains, just that I'd prefer someone who became the way they are because of SOME reason, not because THEY are edgy little faggots.
>He was kinda right since the majority of "Heroes" in the OPMverse are huge assholes that only care for personal glory and popularity like his school bullies did.
He doesn't care about that. He just wants to fight the ghosts of his past and doesn't care that Mumen Rider is actually a GOOD hero. He would have disabled all the heroes ending with them all being killed by monsters, and Garou would still continue to believe the monsters "did nothing wrong".
Garou is simply insane. He doesn't even know what he is doing.
So a kid getting bullied to the point he despises the 'Good' standard and the masses default setting to it isn't relatable just because he became a monstrous villain out it? or is it just because he became a monster you think he is impossible to relate to?
I never felt close or accepted truly by my father, who was closer to my brother that shared interests with him... but im not a norse god, so i guess I can't relate to Loki.
The punchline of the joke at the end of the Garou saga was great desu senpai Garou just was a bitter kid throwing a tantrum, I think ONE was mocking edgy characters pretty well >>135653044
>mfw OPMfags unironically argue about Saitama's powerlevel
Garou was fucking grating. I had to bang my head against the wall every time he showed up and drove his angst train all the way to the climax.
Shit was shallow as all fuck and the pacing simply didn't merit the focus on an incredibly annoying antagonist who was as deep as a puddle on the sidewalk. I doubt anybody was supposed to feel bad for him considering how fucking banal his entire character was. But hey, at least the hobo jesus was interesting.
Doesn't he want to become a monster because he's a bully victim and relates to their always being on the losing end? It's not unusual for nips to blame the victim.
Monsters are the underdogs for him. It's similar to how /pol/ lauds Nazis and dictators.
I think the worst thing about Garou is his design. It's unaesthetic as fuck, he looks like a side character. The rest of his character is as dumb and over the top as anything else in OPM.
>looks like a side character
so sorry he did have bangs in his face, tired dark bags under his eyes, wearing a dark trench coat or robe like coating. with black finger nails.
and so sorry he wasnt super suave, cool as ice, and always in control with a gambit plan to go with every contingency so even when he loses he actually somehow wins.
So? he was a normal guy with a big ambition. Why wouldn't he look like a normal guy like how a side character would?
he wants to be a terrifying monster? what part of that translates to "i must dress to be muh edgy villain"
Boros story is tragic.
Garou must have been the fighter he was destined to fight, but instead saitama fought him
You guys have terrible reading comprehension. I didn't mention anything about bangs, looking edgy, or any of that bullshit. If that's what you think I mean by "aesthetic", then that says more about your shit taste than anything else.
Garou is not a good villain. He was just a lame powerhouse. Saitama needs a villain with more brains than brawn. He needs a Lex Luthor, but with luxurious locks, someone who will challenge his morals and push him to the limit in ways that all the push-ups in the world couldn't prepare him for.
Except that's not really his motivation at all. Read the webcomic. Garou was bullied by the popular pretty kids when he was young. When watching the superhero shows then, he couldn't help but identify with the monsters as being bullied by the hero's. Despite becoming and no longer being bullied by anyone as an adult, Garou could never get rid of the anger and fear and rejection he felt as a child being bullied by the pretty popular kids. It didn't matter how strong he got, it was always there, eating away at him because he couldn't let it go.
Garou's stuck in the past and refuses to face up to it. His monster fetish is just an excuse to cover up that pain and affords him a means to continue lying to himself about were his anger really comes from. Saitama's verbal beatdown is what made him finally start coming to terms with that. Or at least begin too, and I sincerely hope we get him returning in the future.
>Saitama needs a villain with more brains than brawn
Didn't that already happen? He just punched shit anyways.
>someone who will challenge his morals and push him to the limit in ways that all the push-ups in the world couldn't prepare him for.
Morals? But he's doing this as a hobb-
Oh okay. You speedread.
Being an edgy bad guy because you were bullied as a kid is, like, one of the most common and conventional tropes out there, so much so that it has also become one of the most universally mocked. This isn't good. It's bad, and deliberately so.
The frequency or infrequency of a trope is not what makes it good or bad. It's how it's used. In my opinion, the "being bullied as motivation" trope was used perfectly fine in Garou's case.
Fucking cuntrag used the lord's name in vain.
That's because he had no idea what Saitama was doing. Saitama's motive for that attack was "Something so big and powerful he can't dodge or block it, he just has to ride it out."
That's not Garou's motivation. His motivation was to be a true hero so to speak, but he felt monsters were the true heroes and heroes the true villains because the heroes he met were hypocrites. He gets his motivations mixed up and thinks by beating all the heroes he can be a true monster, thus inspiring people to be true heroes.
Unless you're telling me Garou can dodge literally 100% of Boros' attacks, then no, he's fucked. There is no way he can avoid getting lifted up by Boros' space kick unless he can somehow increase his weight/mass at will, because even if he somehow takes no damage a magical something called physics will make it happen anyway, like with Saitama.
Yeah but you expect Saitama to win. Boros and Garou are apparently on the same level according to ONE so you'd expect more of a struggle than Boros kicking Garou into the moon.
Sorta but not really
I mean, the conclusion to the garou arc has already been posted in this thread
>saitama is a huge parody gag character
Saitama is a
___true hero___ He just doesnt get the credit he deserves, thats all.
The crux here is that Garou confused two separate matters to be the same thing. Garou liked the monsters in the cartoons he watched and rooted for them to win, however he was told that they're supposed to lose. That they're always supposed to lose to the heroes.
In a separate incident, he was in a game of heroes and monsters with his classmates. His classmates chose him to be the monster and he got beaten up. Then, when he wanted a rematch with the 'hero', everyone ganged up on him and blamed him while supporting the 'hero' kid because he was popular.
In his mind, Garou equated the idea of monsters with whatever society deemed to be wrong or unjust. However, because of his experiences as a child, he knew that not everything that society called wrong was actually in the wrong. And that's just from his own personal experience.
That does not mean he does not know what actual, real evil is. In his final speech against the heroes, he talked about how the safety the heroes brought would only let evil grow in the hearts of people. He's aware that what the heroes do is for the good of everyone, and that some things which are evil ARE truly bad. It's just that Garou could not just say directly what's in his heart, possibly because it's a personal issue from his past and it did not have any bearing on the situations he found himself in. He was even been talking about himself in that last speech of his, when he was talking about the kids who wished for a monster to plunge the world into despair and how the peace created by heroes would let evil grow in people. Because the teachers and adults sided with the other kid unfairly without hearing him out just so that they could settle matters and create 'peace' quickly, he ended up becoming the kind of person he is today.
Hence his wish for someone who would stick up for people like him or the ugly kid. Someone who would help the misunderstood or neglected and wouldn't just unilaterally deem him to be wrong.
>, great villains are relatable
1, you are stupid
2, that was not his reason to be ultimate evil
sorry op, but you are wrong
>Hence his wish for someone who would stick up for people like him or the ugly kid. Someone who would help the misunderstood or neglected and wouldn't just unilaterally deem him to be wrong.
And yet he still ended up beating up other people to make himself feel superior. i.e. a bully, just like his childhood nightmares. He became what he feared.
No, he didn't kill anyone. But neither did the bullies who attacked him as a child. If him not being a killer is enough to make him innocent, then the same would apply to the bullies who hurt him. The bullies killed no one either, so why should they be judged and more than Garou?
Are human villains that uncommon to warrant naming Garou the "Human Monster"? I guess I can't recall any major ones other than that egghead guy and maybe Sonic, and then that was that swarm of criminals he slaughtered... but it doesn't seem they'd be too unheard of.
Or is it mostly a reference to his powerlevel/skills?
Its really silly how people are trying to make Garou a lot deeper than he actually is. He was just some guy who wanted to be a hero, but wasn't confident enough to actually try as a hero, so he went for the second best, and became a monster, since it was easier.
>He's just Sasuke 2.0
>tfw not pic-related, the most obviously glorious example
It's actually a fairly known trope for villains/anti-villains.
In all likelihood, he probably can't do that. It should be pretty obvious, given how Garou was differentiated from other monsters because of his techniques and how ONE said Garou and Boros are equal.
Garou was called the Human Monster because he said he was a monster. In any other case, he'd just be a criminal. He's treated as a monster because of his own words.
If there's any difference in treatment, it would probably be in how resistant they may be to killing a human compared to a monster. I mean, it's not like human criminals aren't killed, but taking monsters into custody is much harder unless they're weak or a strong enough hero apprehends them. In any case, killing monsters is completely okay. So I guess you could say that's the HA deciding that Garou is too dangerous to treat with any restraint.
>Its really silly how people are trying to make Garou a lot deeper than he actually is.
It's because Garou himself tried to make up excuses in order to make himself seem deep, when it was all bullshit he made up on the spot. Some readers just took his words as gospel, without realising he was lying the whole time.
Hes not though. Sasuke was completely serious and worked on this plan for a while. Garou made that shit up on the fly to try and tear apart Saitama's methods and overcome him the only way he thought he could, by being more righteous (in a sense)
>So Garou is a punk bitch?
He couldn't let go of being hurt as a kid and went insane, fantasising about beating up his childhood enemies by targeting heroes. His entire arc is Garou being completely delusional, and only Saitama noticed that his words made no sense.
Uh, Garou has the advantage in melee, as ONE said. While getting kicked into space would surely beat him, the problem is actually doing it in the first place.
As for people who brought up how Saitama hit him in the beginning of the fight, that's because Garou was confused. His thoughts were disordered. Once he had calmed himself down, he was able to properly read Saitama.
>Uh, Garou has the advantage in melee, as ONE said. While getting kicked into space would surely beat him, the problem is actually doing it in the first place.
Not to mention Garou had never fought seriously except when against actual monsters. He never even went all out against Saitama. So if he was holding back then it can be believed he could have done much more than what we saw him do.
>ripping off watchmen this hard
Uh. You really don't get it.
He didn't JUST want to be a hero. He wanted to be a hero who could save EVERYBODY. So as critical as he was of everybody else, he also applied the same standards to himself and knew that he couldn't be the hero he wanted either. That's why he chose to be a monster.
Anyway, nothing I said was that deep. It's wordy, but it's all completely obvious. If you're too lazy to read through it, I just TLDR'd it for you. Everything else is just the reasons for why Garou looks down on heroes. I mean, if you take the moment to actually even think it through, you'd see it's all there in the story, everything I said.
I don't get people saying that Garou's desire for "world peace" as a lie on his part. He seemed to genuinely believe it and it doesn't contradict his past and outlook as a would-be villain. Rather, his means of achieving it was through his monstrous villainy since he couldn't become the hero he wanted, he'd rather paint himself as an unstoppable target that would force the heroes to act more efficiently. The downside to his plan was that he himself became too strong to the point that no hero could stand up to him, and when one finally did, it wasn't exactly the kind of hero he had idealized in his mind which only serves to show how warped his views were in assuming the role of a monster despite wishing to be an actual hero.
Garou is strongest in close range battle. Not calling him faster than Saitama, but when Garou started focusing, he could out-move Saitama (of course he wasn't trying, but still) Garou is a prodigy of martial arts, and do to his psuedo transformation, he became stronger and faster, and was able to make up for the lack of power against Saitama by reading him before he even moved. In a ranged battle, Boros has the advantage with his huge lasers, but up close Garou has the advantage, since Boros simply could not move fast enough.
>So I guess you could say that's the HA deciding that Garou is too dangerous to treat with any restraint.
Yeah. Normally human criminals are assigned a strength level just like heroes, B and C class and whatnot. Humans are not usually given disaster rankings.
But it wasn't about that at all, idiot. He wanted to become a common enemy for everyone, good and bad, so that people would instead put all of their energy into defeating him, and thanks to that not fight between themselves all the time. He wanted to become the biggest hero by becoming the biggest villain.
>Not to mention Garou had never fought seriously except when against actual monsters. He never even went all out against Saitama. So if he was holding back then it can be believed he could have done much more than what we saw him do.
Not true. Garou was only holding back in the beginning. Then he took Saitama on seriously as an opponent, even using all of his body's strength.
Remember, just because Saitama said Garou was going easy on him, that doesn't mean that statement applied for the entire fight. Just think of when exactly he actually said it. Garou was most definitely taking Saitama seriously with all his might by the end, hence why he transformed even further. The mutation is caused by frustration and loosens a person's humanity, after all.
>That's why he chose to be a monster.
He was PLAYING a monster. He was doing the equivalent of wearing a fake bomb vest and waving real guns with no ammo in them. And he was mad that heroes are ganging up on him, just like in his childhood, because in his delusion he was a kid again and there was no reason why the heroes aren't "playing fair". He was making himself a threat and then complain that people wanted him dead.
>he'd rather paint himself as an unstoppable target that would force the heroes to act more efficiently.
That would have just cause all the heroes to be injured and then everyone die to monsters. I am not going to cause the fire department to become more efficient by me setting more fires to buildings. Are you suggesting that arsonists are meant to be helping fire fighters?
>He didn't JUST want to be a hero. He wanted to be a hero who could save EVERYBODY.
No, he didn't, that was never mentioned or brought up in the webcomic. All Garou wanted to be was a hero, not the best hero, not the strongest, he just wanted a chance to be the hero, but he wasn't confident enough to do that. All his stuff about uniting the world through fear was literally bullshit he was spouting to try and tear down the heroe's methods, thats why literally everything he said was contradicting himself later on, because he was just arguing for the sake of arguing. When he was getting his ass beat down by Saitama he had no way of answering him, because he had no answer, it was only later on he came up with something to attack Saitama with, which was his speech about unfair evil uniting the world.
Posting a better villain to redeem this thread.
>What you're saying is essentially what I meant by the downside/flaw in his plan though, so I don't really disagree with you.
It isn't a flaw, it is literally nonsensical because Garou never thought about it. He made it up on the fly to justify himself. The whole point with Saitama is that he saw right through Garou's bullshitting, that nearly everything Garou said about his own motivations was a lie.
I wouldn't exactly say it was a lie though, more like a very nonsensical compromise built on his very wish to become hero deep inside, hence why Saitama was even able to read him. If he didn't spout all that "world peace" spiel, Saitama wouldn't have gotten the clue that Garou wanted to be a hero at all.
It was a lie because he made it all up on the spot. Garou never once brought up this greater goal of his until AFTER he was beaten down by Saitama. Even during Garou's beat down, Saitama kept prying into what Garou's goals were, and Garou couldn't respond at all. After the other heroes started to order his execution he finally came up with something to say.
>I wouldn't exactly say it was a lie though, more like a very nonsensical compromise built on his very wish to become hero deep inside
Garou was beating up heroes because he was fantasising about beating up his childhood bullies. This is his only real motivation for doing it. And he wanted to do it because he wants to dispense justice against bullies. That's all. But Garou couldn't SAY that, because he knows he is actually beating up innocent people AS a bully. So he retroactively made shit up.
I think Garou's motivations being quite deep is what the joke is all about really, in the end Saitama just doesn't give a shit about a meaning behind being a hero, he just kicks Garou's ass because he's making a ruckus.
>think Garou's motivations being quite deep is what the joke
Not everything in OPM's writing is meant to be a joke. The series is satirical but not to the extent some of you claim.
if this thread shows anything, it's that /a/ has no idea what "deep" means.
What do you expect when a long series is built entirely upon an shitty gag? The only reason I like OPM is the drawing. The gags are not even funny. If OPM had bad drawing it would not have received so much popularity.
Every single year
every single season
Every single popular anime
Everyone thought it was going to 'save anime' (jokingly of course, but it was still earnestly hyped), not be a crappy edgefest. By the time they were using CGI Satsuki everyone dropped all pretense of it being good and just ironically shitposted it to hell because it was already popular by then and shitting on crappy shows with /a/ is always more fun than just watching said crappy show. Same deal with shit like Guilty Crown.
>Why do people struggle so much with Saitama's role in the narrative?
Because Saitama was never suppose to be allowed to succeed. People who work hard but doesn't have a special pedigree or genius is not suppose to be number 1. That's why Rock Lee, Krillin and Kazuma Kuwabara are always rendered irrelevant.
If people like that succeed, it makes everyone else look bad; including the audience. We are suppose to bitch about how Ichigo, Naruto and Yusuke cheated by having powerful parents. By having a nobody being number 1, it implied that everyone who hasn't succeeded didn't work hard enough. Audience wants to justify their own laziness.
Then why didn't it kill Saitama? How can you argue he's not a special snowflake then imply he has some special snowflake characteristics which allowed him to survive fatal training?
I understand your view but it's not really what I'm referring to. The way I see OPM is that while Saitama is the viewpoint character, he tends to occupy the role of an antagonist, specifically in the sense that he cannot ever be forced to submit. The meat of the story is in other characters having inner conflicts and Saitama's presence forces them to resolve them or be destroyed.
>Then why didn't it kill Saitama? How can you argue he's not a special snowflake then imply he has some special snowflake characteristics which allowed him to survive fatal training?
He has no special abilities. He just trained harder than everyone else.
And I heard all the complaints before. "But what about all the other heroes? Did they not train hard enough?"
And that brings up my original point from >>135659380
That there is hostility to a character wining through hard work alone, because it by its very nature is insulting to many people. So yes, you insist he couldn't have worked that hard. I expect that. You said the same things that have been said for the last 4 months. Because you couldn't allow it.
You completely dodged the question there. How can he 'train harder than everyone else' if you say his training regime would kill you if you followed it? You're explicitly implying he's didn't start out as a normal person.
>Best built up villains
>Good characters stuck in shit series
I can't think of one. Nips doesn't have any good characterization on their story.
>How can he 'train harder than everyone else' if you say his training regime would kill you if you followed it?
If you train like Goku it would kill you too. The point I was making is that his training is hard. The fact that it is impossible in the real world doesn't mean it is impossible in OPM. So you acknowledged it ISN'T "just normal strength training"?
His training was very hard, and since it was hard it is possible it was harder than everyone else's.
If you're going that route then it's normal strength training by OPM universe rules.
Because limiters are retarded, Saitama worked stupidly hard
for himtowards a goal he really wanted to achieve, broke his limiter and got what he wanted. The same could be said for Garou.
>If you're going that route then it's normal strength training by OPM universe rules.
No one has actually TRIED Saitama's training. You can't say it is normal if he is the only one who has done it.
Except people always miss the important part about Saitama's training. He didn't just do a regular, standard work out, he did his work out all out, every day. He had no rest days, he didn't acclimate himself to the exercise, he went from 0 to 100 from the get go. Other people are wrong, it's not a fatal work out, but in reality that kind of intense routine would destroy a person's body unless they were lucky. Saitama wasn't some Thai boxer, he wasn't an regular exerciser, he was an average salary man.
You're the one telling me that 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats and a 10km run every day is deadly intense training and will turn me into a god if I manage to pull it off.
Dude, that level of training would mess up your leg muscles down the line, but in no way would it fucking kill you.
Ironmen train harder than that daily and they don't just fall over dead in three years. After about ten years they get real screwed up bone problems though.
>Ironmen train harder than that daily and they don't just fall over dead in three years. After about ten years they get real screwed up bone problems though.
I am sure they train hard. But NOT "everyday".
You also have to remember people who get into that Ironman shit usually already have a long history of working out and exercising and such. You don't just take some guy sitting in a cubicle and throw him into the full Ironman workout routine from day one, but thats what Saitama did, but on a smaller scale.
His routine every day, is worlds easier than this routine done 6 out of 7 days a week. His routine could be finished within an hour easily
Of course anyone who say its impossibly deadly is retarded, but it would fuck you up big time for sure.
I don't know how fit he was before he started, but it would have only been difficult for him the first month until he got used to it. I started running 5Ks when I was unfit and a heavy smoker so it's not inconceivable to me.
Saitama's work out is a warmup for this guy
Garou is undoubtedly one of the best written characters in OPM, judging from the heated debates he inspires alone.
He's a bombastic anti-villain, a tragic anti-hero, a human who pushed his limiter, a monster who is not a monster, someone who made Saitama curious about him and managed to escape death after facing the baldy. All in one package.
He's always had a plan, by the way. The plan was literally taking the HA down to become the Ominous Monster boss who'd make the world better, more just, according to him. Garou is so based he flipped both MA and HA off, all to install his own world order.
But the best thing is, he'll eventually come back to conduct good
if ONE survives.
>Darkshine and TTM would be stronger than him if that's the case
>And they aren't
Once again, you are assuming they train harder than him. And why is that? There is no evidence that TTM works out Everyday. And Darkshine only tried to have good looking muscles as his training goal.
They both gained powers. But neither did what Saitama did. Your thinking is circular. You don't think Saitama train harder than these two, so you think therefore it is proof Saitama didn't train harder than these two. That's not proof.
The thing about Saitama is that he so strong that many conundrums don't apply to him
some stereotypes that often apply don't do so to him
>i have to get stronger so i can face any monster that comes my way
Already did that, realised it sucks
>what if bystanders get hurt
Fast enough to protect them if he senses them
Saitama is strong enough to carry any burden, so he while he may appear to not care, he actually has most shit under control.
I may or may not have communicated my point very poorly
Why fucker love discuss about Saitama's power, but they dont even know what really happened?
>he made it all up on the spot
Garou mentions the injustice of the world in all his flashbacks and says that he wants to destroy HA right away (later MA too). It's not hard to comprehend that he wanted to change the fucking world by himself, by becoming that "universal symbol of fear". He never explained himself to the heroes because they didn't listen to him, they just put words in his mouth much like the teachers who ignored his point completely. He didn't even expect them to understand him and he never trusted them to help him, he was disgusted with them.
It's also made clear early on in Garou's arc that he's not an inherently evil character, so him having a noble goal is nothing surprising. In the final fight it becomes downright comical, for example when he calls himself a monster in front of the heroes and saves the kid from Tats' boulder immediately after.
Garou was desperately muttering about changing the world before Saitama broke his final costume as well. Saitama challenged Garou in a way no other hero could and made the guy word-vomit his motivation and bottled up frustration, even revealing his personal issues to others for the first time, when he asked Garou about the point of that entire clusterfuck. The problem wasn't his goal but the fact that he chose the wrong means to reach it and went against his own self (compromised by becoming a monster instead of a hero) in the process.
Why are you in a thread about One Punch Man if you don't like One Punch Man?
>this thread is embarrassing
Joining a thread about something you don't like just to shitpost is the only embarrassing thing here.
>He didn't even expect them to understand him and he never trusted them to help him, he was disgusted with them.
He was disgusted with Mumen Rider too? Despite Mumen STOPPING TTM from killing Garou?
Your entire argument is just Garou's excuses, and none of it match his actions. He is disgusted with his childhood bullies and he was delusional enough to think they are the HA. That's why he is trying to destroy it, he was having as power trip about fighting back against the bules who used to hurt him.
Except... He wasn't fighting bullies. He WAS the bully!
>Saitama is strong enough to carry any burden
Yeah but unfortunately he isn't that smart. With his strength he could have pushed that meteor back into space but instead he just punched it, sending all the debris crashing into the city.
>He was disgusted with Mumen Rider too?
Not this shit again. Yes, he was, because the tru hero Rider just dismissed him, pretty much. DS did too, later. You do realize that only Saitama actually stopped to listen to Garou, ponder about his motivation and kept asking him questions without dismissing him as "wrong" immediately? Only Saitama, another "individual", was able to get him as well.
He literally says it's not as simple as bullying and mentions the whole world being unfair as it is, he says he wants to change that. His goal (peace, stopping wars, protecting kids) is revealed to be noble, which is in tune with his true desire to become a hero. He only chose the wrong means to reach it because the childhood trauma affecting his confidence and the image of heroes in his society made him believe he wasn't fit to become one. Destroying both HA and MA was a natural step in his crusade to become the world's Ultimate NOTevil. Both stood in his way.
>It's just a hobby
What did Saitama mean by this?
After the deep and thought-provoking argument laid out by Garou, which highlights the Yin-Yang balance aspect of the universe, why did Saitama reply with such a mysterious answer?
It reminds me of the story of the laughing Buddha. A child stops the Buddha as he is walking and asks him what was Zen, and the Buddha just drops his bag and then immediately picks it back up.
Holy shit, I've never been so perplexed in my life. What an ambiguous statement from the B-class hero... Truly the deepest lore.
this has to be bait or something like that right?
>You do realize that only Saitama actually stopped to listen to Garou, ponder about his motivation and kept asking him questions without dismissing him as "wrong" immediately?
But Garou IS wrong. And Saitama DID dismiss him!
The only thing Saitama did differently was that he couldn't be bullied. Garou just beat up people because he wants to, and Saitama was the unmovable wall. Saitama didn't "Understand" Garou, everyone knows what Garou is; a violent lunatic. Garou merely was unable to beatr Saitama, and that really is the only thing a bully understands. A bully needs to be put down. Saitama merely disagrees about a death sentence.
>never killed humans
>had a noble goal and a good heart
>didn't pay the bill just like Saitama
Canonverse, nothing wrong. People saying otherwise are just hysterically butthurt because their favorite hero got a bit beat up by Garou in this, hm, funny battle webcomic.
So what do you think GOD is?
A god maybe?
just throwing a crazy idea out there
it's not God, it's just a proper God-level threat monster
Saitama will have a slightly more epic battle with it than he did with Boros, then kill it with a punch.
Did you miss the entire introduction where Garou was giving Saitama time to go away but Saitama confused the shit out of him?
Did you miss the part where Saitama asked him questions throughout the entire fight because he immediately realized Garou wasn't actually trying to be a monster, called him a sweet guy and tried to understand Garou's point?
Did you miss the ending where Saitama pointed out that Garou made a mistake because he compromised and didn't become a hero like he actually wanted to? Saitama was entirely true to himself and that's why he was "undefeatable" with his "serious hobby".
Not a single mention of "muh bullying", it's all in your retarded crackfics you dumb faggot.
>Garou giving Saitama time to go away
How did you come to that conclusion, ONE version was him asking Saitama's name before fighting him and the other was he chopped him as soon as he thought Saitama was a hero.
>Saitama asked him questions
Most of which are to goad Garou into fighting seriously.
>tried to understand Garou's point
>not remembering "For now, I'm gonna kick your ass"
Saitama decided to beat him first, he didn't try to actively listen, just heard what he said and immediately understood.
Garou actually wanting to be a hero came out of the blue. Maybe ONE will expand on it more in Murata's version.
Really the only wrong thing that Garou did was beat people up and destroy the HA. Even then, that doesn't change the fact that he had a plan that harkens back to his desire for heroism. What puts him in the wrong, like many anti-villains, were his methods. This was the result of him unintentionally deciding on a compromise due to his shitty childhood and his journey in meeting/fighting HA and MA led him to desire in becoming a common enemy as means of uniting the world against him.
Personally I don't think this excuses his actions (obviously it's a fucked up goal with no immediate results given how Garou didn't seem to have a plab laid out for it) and I won't argue that this points to him being as much of a bully as those who caused his childhood trauma, but that's exactly what makes his methods questionable and a villain in the first place.
> Really the only wrong thing that Garou did was beat people up and destroy the HA
You forgot that those "people" are litterally the only wall against the army of monsters increasing every days that plans to destroy humanity. Saitama can't take care of all the monsters because he's just an individual, and Garou wouldn't have been any better.
Humanity really didn't need a "ultimate monster" to fight, they already have their hands full with other ones.
You misread what I said. I literally pointed out that Garou's methods were very much in the wrong (especially him beating up the heroes) despite his goal being seemingly "heroic".
I don't know about the others explaining Garou's desire for "peace" or a world united against him as a common enemy, but let it be known that some of us are not actually defending his shitty actions and lack of foresight, we're just explaining why the fuck he did the things he did and how it ties into his original desire to be a "hero". Whether or not ONE did a good job at conveying that is obviously subject to debate, but personally I thought it was adequate enough.
I think a lot of you are trying too hard to interpret something that was made up on the spot. Garou just wanted an excuse to be edgy, Saitama called him out on it, and then he made some pretentious NGE type of shit on the spot as a reason.
Except if this were truly the case, then the tone of the writing wouldn't have taken the somber tone it did, otherwise it would have actually given the same usual "gotcha" vibe of every joke in OPM. Call out ONE for actually trying to write something serious for all I care (no really), but Garou's ending wasn't meant to be as random or comedic as some of you seem to think it is.
>How did you come to that conclusion
>Most of which are to goad Garou into fighting seriously
"You chicken" and "wakey wakey" was goading. Otherwise he asked him why Garou was doing this, what was up with him, what his end goal was and finally what he meant by changing the world. In the end Saitama even yelled at him, asking if Garou was truly okay with being defeated. Saitama clearly cared about Garou's "deal", in several ways, including the fact that he was Bang's student. He was even excited to fight him at first, like you said.
>Garou actually wanting to be a hero came out of the blue
What? It was heavily foreshadowed since his serious flashback. Why else would he reject MA, save the kid, flip off MA again, save the kid, kill monsters, save the kid, lie to the heroes, save the kid? ONE is basically rubbing it in your face.
Where are you guys getting these translated version of the webcomic? I would very much love a link if possible
Also, i appreciate the amount of conversation about this comic but about 50% of it is from actual autistic faggots that don't understand why this is a funny or entertaining series. What's the point in dicussing power levels in a Power Man series? Especially when everyone knows that King is the only one strong enough to beat Saitama
> What's the point in dicussing power levels in a Power Man series?
Talking about the PL of Saitama is retarded, discussing it for every other characters of the serie isn't, because they aren't powerman.
>Garou is by far one of the best built up villains you'll find. His fighting style, his power, his struggle, his evolution, his motivation. The time put into building him up. To think his saga played him up better than most entire series can do for its main hero.
Fuck me im getting triggered.
Garou is one of the most lazy sloppy pointless waste of time one could do in this manga.
I rather read a side arc about that fat guy or dogman than to see this twat again.
Nobody, literally nobody cares about Garou, we all wanna see blast, more of Tats and Fubuki
Here is a well done villain >>135656351
Hes evil, hes knows he is bad but you can understand him and his motivations, everything he does has a purpose and is driven by lifetime of preparation and work.
... that unless you watch that shitty ova made by some other company, what a fucking turd
Garou's final speeches towards Saitama were meant to be an inverse of the usual punchline in every fight between Saitama and a monster gloating about their motivation and superiority (Vaccine Man being the most obvious and classic example). It's meant to play up that same scenario only this time, the monster genuinely believes that a hero has to behave a certain way. Unlike those other gag scenarios, Garou's frustration in being unable to actually defeat the hero and his contradicting desire for "peace" actually clued in Saitama about the faults of Garou's methods as well as his original desire. This essentially reversed the usual gag scenario into an actual serious one and for some reason, not many people seem to get this.
The entire scenario basically plays out like so:
>"Gaarr!! I'm a monster! I have all these reasons for doing what I do! What gives you the right to stop me short of reaching my goal!? Tell me hero!"
>"It's just a hobby."
>"Wait what? That's not what heroes are meant to be like! You're doing it wrong!"
>"What are you talking about? If I had to guess you wanted to be a hero when you were a kid, but you fucked up and turned yourself into a monster huh?"
>"Fuck I think you're right, so what have I been doing with my life..."
>And if anything, humanity is already united the most it could against the monsters
Kek, humanity is literally becoming monsters as we speak. Humans are anything but united when, you know, a human esper became the leader of MA because she saw the future where humanity goes to absolute shit. The HA itself has potential backstabbers inside.
Anyway, Garou's plan was to scare both monsters and humans to shut the former and unite the latter, it's pretty obvious. He was to become the only monster, the Ultimate Evil. That's why he was so thorough with the monsters, actually disposing of them when needed. The problem is, when Garou proclaimed himself a God level threat, he had no idea that an actual fucking God would be coming to fuck shit up or that Saitama would come and heal him. His plan was doomed from the start. He got trolled like Boros but at least he lived and he'll most likely come back.
> a human esper became the leader of MA because she saw the future where humanity goes to absolute shit.
First, we still don't have details about what Psykos saw.
Secondly, she's a pretty big exception.
And again, this plan would never work. Monsters keeps getting created everyday and plenty of them doesn't think while still being among the most dangerous ones, like Evil Water. Let alone others way too cocky to ever care about Garou.
>we're just explaining why the fuck he did the things he did and how it ties into his original desire to be a "hero".
All I see is a kid in an adult's body qho was traumatised as a child, and bacme the very bully that he hated so much.
Garou doesn't kill not because he is nice, but because bullies don't kill either. His bullies made up bullshit reasons to beat kid Garou up, so adult Garou made up bullshit reasons to beat heroes up. He IS what he hated. That is what he really meant in "becoming a monster". He never really feared real monsters, he feared the bullies in his past and they haunt him. And he sees the bullies looking back at him when he looks in a mirror. He didn't mean he is a human monster; he mean he is the new bully.
>Nobody, literally nobody cares about Garou, we all wanna see blast, more of Tats and Fubuki
>currently 265 posts in a thread about Garou
>approx. 200 of those posts actually discussed about Garou
Uhh I'm gonna have to break it to you anon...
Same anon you're replying to.
I won't deny that this is actually a legitimate argument as to why his goal is fucked up since it essentially turned him into the same bully as those that tormented him as a child (which was why Saitama was right in setting him straight).
The only thing I'd argue is that his original desire to be a hero (keyword being "original", meaning it's not his current one) was actually genuine despite turning himself into the bully of a monster that he hated so much, and this is clearly evidenced by his genuine acceptance of Saitama's presumptions and verbal beatdown.
>The only thing I'd argue is that his original desire to be a hero (keyword being "original", meaning it's not his current one) was actually genuine
Of course he is genuine in wanting to punish evil. But he is ALSO criminally insane and consider heroes as evil. If I went mad and start believing that every doctor in a hospital is a hostile alien invader, are you going to call me a hero for murdering all the doctors in my delusion?
Garou is INSANE. It doesn't matter what he think he is doing, what matters is what he DOES. He is a violent lunatic who couldn't control what he is doing, because he thinks innocent people are evil. Are you going to argue that it is okay?
nigga, he wanted to be a hero from the start. He was just too awkward and stupid to realize it. He was pissed at heroes because they failed to meet his lofty expectations of what a hero truly was.
He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.
>and this is clearly evidenced by his genuine acceptance of Saitama's presumptions and verbal beatdown.
No he does NOT. Garou didn't accept Saitama's words. The only reason he listened was because he didn't have a choice. He tried to shut Saitama up through violence, like what bullies do. He only use words when violence failed. He was desperate and wanted to keep his happy illusion that he is doing good.
>Are you going to argue that it is okay?
Check what I said earlier in this post >>135668877
>but let it be known that some of us are not actually defending his shitty actions and lack of foresight
If that's not clear enough, then my answer is a huge "no".
>He was pissed at heroes because they failed to meet his lofty expectations of what a hero truly was.
That part is a lie. He fight heroes because he wanted to defeat his childhood enemies. Anything lofty was made up to justify his insanity.
>people not getting that the whole "humanity united against evil" was just shit Garou made up to save his ass at the last moment
He never said anything nor hinted at anything alike before, since the start his only goal was to crush the Hero organization and whoever else threatened him or the ugly kid he was projecting on. That whole speech was just him being desperate and shoehorning some half-assed morals to save his ass.
>If that's not clear enough, then my answer is a huge "no".
Then you accept that he is insane then? Or not? Because he is clearly an insane person who say and do things without understanding why. And you can't justify his actions when even Garou failed to do it. HE doesn't even know what he is doing.
> because they failed to meet his lofty expectations of what a hero truly was.
Pretty much none of the heroes he beat up deserved it besides maybe Red Nose, some of the TT and Mask (who of all things considered is still among the heroes with the most accomplishments and thus isn't just an asshole).
>Secondly, she's a pretty big exception
I dunno, judging from what we saw in MA, any remotely angry hobo can become a strong monster in an instant. A human founding MA was really ironic too.
>way too cocky to ever care about Garou
Like Sperm? Garou got so strong he speedblitzed dragons as well as S class heroes easily and he was still absorbing the heroes' moves at the time. Meaning, his growth potential is unknown. And fear is an incredibly strong weapon you know. Look at King.
We haven't seen a God level monster threat yet but a certain God was teased in MA, most likely something that Garou wouldn't be able to deal with. That's the biggest reason why, aside from the sudden Saitama of course, his plan would have never worked in this universe. Like I said, Garou didn't expect either.
> I dunno, judging from what we saw in MA, any remotely angry hobo can become a strong monster in an instant.
You don't seems to understand that's how lots of monsters are born, in a sense those aren't really different from humans becoming zombies. They doesn't count as humans anymore. Psykos seems like she could go back to the human side though, granted she got a mental shock.
>He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.
>He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.
Fucking bravo. This guy basically summed it all up in one sentence. Garou was trying to be heroic, but the stupid part was how he thought that being a monster was somehow the right idea to go about doing it.
>I was just explaining why he did the things he did and that's it
But you used his own explanations, which were entirely contradictory. You took Garou's words as gospel when he basically never told a single word of truth all through his entire time he was on screen.
Justification =/= explanation
We can argue about how much of what Garou was saying is actually true for all I care, but the entire basis of my argument is backed by what Saitama said at the end. Doesn't mean it justifies what he did at all, it just means he had more reasons for doing than just "lol let's beat some shit up cuz whatever man".
>Garou was trying to be heroic,
He wasn't. He was butthurt because he was bullied as a child by some kids playing at heroes,and wanted to crush heroes. The whole "b-but I wanted world peace" contradicts everything he did before and was clearly some shit he made up at the last moment to get some simpathy and avoid being killed.
>Fucking bravo. This guy basically summed it all up in one sentence. Garou was trying to be heroic, but the stupid part was how he thought that being a monster was somehow the right idea to go about doing it.
It isn't stupid, it is crazy. He is still mentally in the school-yard, fighting the bullies who call themselves heroes. He was fighting a fantasy battle in his head for justice. Stupidity is the wrong interpretation.
>it just means he had more reasons for doing than just "lol let's beat some shit up cuz whatever man".
He HAS a reason. He is delusional and sees completely innocent people as evil and beat them up. I am not saying he is good or evil, I am saying he is crazy and needs a Straitjacket and a padded cell.
>the "crazy" one was Garou for thinking he was right in actually trying to implement it.
He didn't HAVE a plan! He made it all up! Just like the kids who bullied him made up about themselves being the real heroes!
Your mistake is assuming Garou said anything coherently.
>He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.
This exactly. He went against both heroes and monsters to redefine good and evil in his own way and unite the world. But if he tried to monitor the murderous monsters who are not scared of him, for example, he'd just end up seeming heroic. He already looks heroic when he kills monsters for the ugly kid and the kid wasn't scared of him at all. It's kind of a paradoxical scenario.
> Like Sperm? Garou got so strong he speedblitzed dragons as well as S class heroes easily and he was still absorbing the heroes' moves at the time.
Because they were all in the same place
> And fear is an incredibly strong weapon you know. Look at King.
That's as long as the monsters actually meet/face him.
>Garou is undoubtedly one of the best written characters in OPM, judging from the heated debates he inspires alone.
Thats like saying watchmen and eva are good.
Wait, really, Is all you need to have a well written character is weird logic and being controversial ?
I need to explain why I insist that Garou never had a plan and made up a plan on the spot.
My main argument came from how he originally agreed to join the Monster Association. Only completely unable to accept the task he was given. It makes NO SENSE for him to even contemplate killing 100 people, if he had a plan to defeat all monsters himself. At that point in time, Garou still had infantile ideas of monsters being misunderstood innocent creatures, thus it was impossible for Garou to have had any plan to "rule by fear".
>Because they were all in the same place
So? Garou is fast. In his Awakened form he can patrol the whole world if he pleases.
>That's as long as the monsters actually meet/face him
Reputation. No one saw King do shit yet they fear him. Garou's strength was seen by both MA and HA and he can actually do shit.
>So? Garou is fast. In his Awakened form he can patrol the whole world if he pleases.
He had no intention to do that. It is just lip service. As I said in >>135671824, he only came up with that argument on the spot and never really meant to carry it out.
> So? Garou is fast. In his Awakened form he can patrol the whole world if he pleases.
No he can't you retard, lots of monsters are hidden and monsters are appearing every fucking new days.
> Reputation. No one saw King do shit yet they fear him.
Doesn't stop any monsters from doing their business. Let alone all the mindless and puny ones.
>At that point in time, Garou still had infantile ideas of monsters being misunderstood innocent creatures, thus it was impossible for Garou to have had any plan to "rule by fear".
Except I would argue that his plan to "rule by fear" only came about after the whole thing with the MA. He definitely didn't know what he was doing when he was going on a hero hunt and when he joined the MA. Rather he only developed the idea of "absolute evil" in the climax. So yeah, I'd hardly call it a plan when it was literally thought about late into the actual story, but it's still a development that ties into his ending.
Why do people who get bullied have such weak self esteem? Holy fuck, if someone talked shit to me back in school, I wouldn't let it bother me at all. If they got physical with me, I would get as violent as I possibly could.
In my experience, not many guys got "bullied" psychologically. That's more of a girl thing.
>In my experience, not many guys got "bullied" psychologically. That's more of a girl thing.
You might as well say boys don't cry. I don't even know where you came from to think that male kids are immune to trauma.
>he originally agreed to join the Monster Association
He never agreed. He also apparently rejected them twice. His confrontation with MA made him realize that his definition of a monster is entirely different from theirs and that's when they got included in his plan to install his own world order. He tells DS he'll deal with both associations right after that.
I don't get how the people think Garou was fishing for sympathy from Saitama in the end by spouting his "world peace" spiel. He was delusional and clearly bought into his own bullshit. He basically vented his frustrations by revealing what he actually sought to do by becoming a God-level monster. None of that BS about him making shit up to save his own skin. He's fuming at Saitama and all the heroes with no sense of self-preservation, and this is really obvious given how he kept trying to fight and talk back to him even though he's clearly losing. He obviously believed what he was saying and his speech was an attempt to question Saitama's heroism if it's as righteous and practical as his brand of evil. When Saitama answered "muh hobby" this pissed Garou because it's a huge spit in the face of everything he's been working on. If a hero were to defeat him, he wished for the hero to actually have the strength and morals befitting in toppling his own goal of enforcing "absolute evil".
The reason he was even taunting the heroes was because he wanted to see if someone righteous could actually stand up to him. Before realizing his loss against Saitama, he was basically settled on the whole "unite the world against me through fear" idea because he really thought no one could stand up to him at that point. Obviously with Saitama absolutely beating him he had to know if Saitama had what it took to be the hero the world needed, and obviously "it's a hobby" wasn't the answer that Garou was looking for which basically caused him to break down because, not only did he lose, he also lost to a guy that doesn't fit his idealized image of what it actually means to be a hero that should save the world.
Call him insane or a bratty kid that didn't know any better. Still the fact is Garou actually believed all the delusional BS he was spouting and how people seem to think that he was trying to draw sympathy from Saitama are the ones who seem to have greatly misread his character.
>His confrontation with MA made him realize that his definition of a monster is entirely different from theirs and that's when they got included in his plan to install his own world order.
He only wanted the heroes gone because he assumed that monsters are harmless and thus, heroes had no reason to exist.
So your entire argument makes no sense. He had no plan to rule in fear at any point until that one time later. He just wanted to beat up illusionary bullies and had no plans to rule. When the monsters were confirmed to be real threats, his delusion no longer worked and he had to suddenly deal with a world that needed heroes but no longer had them.
Garou wanted heroes gone because he wanted heroes gone. ruling the world is just an excuse to get rid of heroes. And the only reason he wanted to get rid of heroes was because he didn't believe heroes do anything useful. Because he is CRAZY.
Youre an idiot, the fact that /a/ talks about shows currently airing, doesnt correlate to whether /a/ likes it or not as a whole.
It just means that there are more people talking about it.
>"unite the world against me through fear"
God damn it I fucked up. Meant to say "unite the world through fear". The connotation being that he wanted to be a tyrannical figure that would rule everyone like a fucking Nazi while forcing everyone to huddle together and survive (just thought I'd clarify).
>boys dont cry
Only weak-willed faggots with a flawed upbringing have low enough self-esteem to let some random kid from school hurt their feelings with words or an ass kicking.
I don't think you know what that word means
I can understand wanting to get stronger after an ass kicking, don't get me wrong. I just can't see how it would shape your entire view of the world. Seems pretty silly, but I don't deny those type of people exist. I just feel sorry for them
>I can understand wanting to get stronger after an ass kicking, don't get me wrong. I just can't see how it would shape your entire view of the world.
The point isn't that he got beaten up, but that the bullies got away with it with no consequence at all.
I only like Garou because he is attractive. He has nice slender hands. giant pecs, giant shoulders and a cute butt.
Any other reasons to like him besides his looks and childlike antics is a dumb reason to like him.
I am anonymous. If you fit the criteria though I will hunt you down and go yandere on your ass.
He is probably the reason behind all the terrible shit happening in the OPM universe and he's doing it on purpose. Saitama breaking his power limiter was a sign of the human species getting to the next level of evolution and now he's been trying to wipe the rest of them out to prevent more people like Saitama from being created, because he's a paranoid idiot who doesn't want any competition. Saitama will be responsible for everything and he'll feel like an asshole.
Then he'll knock him out with a single punch.
>But he is ALSO criminally insane and consider heroes as evil
He considered heroes hypocrites, not evil. He didn't think they deserved the title and, to an extent, he was right, some of them weren't exactly heroic and HA does have its problems. It also seems that he has very high standards when it comes to heroism. That "ideal hero" that Saitama mentioned.
No, Garou assumed that monsters only targeted the heroes and was frustrated because the heroes would always win via asspulling. They're "heroes" so they are supposed to win by default and they are deemed right because society supports them, that's how the normal order of things is. He wanted to change that as a monster and bring his own brand of justice to the world. He decided to become a MONSTER who'd bring peace and change the world for the better, instead of a "hero". He basically tried rebranding the absolute evil in the OPM universe, which was just "mindless monsters killing people for shits and giggles" before.
MA made him realize that monsters have a different mindset but he opposed it. He went against them and never stooped down to taking human lives. His heart was the very reason why he never managed to transform into a monster, his costume just poof and broke.
>He went against them and never stooped down to taking human lives.
That's a very low bar. The bullies who beat up Garou as a child never killed him either. Should we congratulate them for being so very merciful?
Except in Garou's eyes the bullies are the heroes and he's just the one who's fighting for those who can't stand up to them. You're basically applying logic on a guy who sees the complete reverse of what you're insinuating. It doesn't make him right, but that doesn't mean that the heroes were infallible either.
The children had absolutely no reason to gang up on Garou and beat him up. You know, if Garou were insane, he'd have fucking shanked his bullies to death at school, like many nips have done. That's a real thing.
Garou actually aimed to bring down two professional organizations by himself to prove a point - to show that a monster can win and have righteous intentions, that a monster can change the world for the better. While both organizations were ready to kill him, Garou never truly turned into a monster and never stooped down to murdering humans.
Right and wrong, good and bad, well-meaning and evil, these are the things that keep the child up at night. And every man is a child to his own deeds. In this world wide over there are only three cardinal rules: intelligence (pref superior as genius crumbles under its own autisciousness), nihilism (of the Carr variety), and wickedest senses of human.
That's not his last form
>still arguing with ONE
Murata will add Garou kicking Saitama all the way to Pluto or doing something even more ridiculous in the fight. Ninja Monster Garou was already pretty damn strong.
Garou suffers from the same syndrome most modern villains in anime suffer, every time an author tries to add depth to them - i.e. they end up with the most stupid reasons, which the author tries to pass as morally ambiguous and somewhat logical, whilst absolutely failing at it, and delivering an idea only a teen in his dark ages would like.
Garou started great as some guy who simply wanted to become a villain and wanted to beat all the heroes, to show villains could win. That was great, especially because Garou actually worked to become strong.
The moment the author added the issue about him actually wanting to be a hero all along, and his retarded plan to make everyone fight him he ruined what originally was a good villain.
The worst part is that Garou had some ridiculous high standard for heroes - which Saitama just happened to live up to.
One of the great things about heroes in OPM is that most of them are dicks, but still try to do what's right at the end of the day. That flaw adds a layer of humanity to them, which your average sentai hero lacks.
>trying to analyze garou's motivations when ONE made it clear his rhetoric was mostly on the spot made up rationalizations for dumb angsty emotional behavior that eventually degenerates into incoherent ramblings
Garou never stopped working to become strong. Also Saitama wasn't even his ideal hero, his hobby answer broke the guy's mind hard. Saitama wasn't the one who saved him either. It was Busaiku, who made Garou realize that even a person like him can be a hero. Garou's schtick was that he wasn't one-dimensional and irredeemable like you for some reason wanted him to be.
He literally didn't fit in his entire life and decided to go against the system. Against the heroes. Against the monsters. The mob. That's a more curious and ambitious concept than taking one of the existing sides and just going with the flow. Hell, he actually became an inexplicable human/monster symbiosis in the end.
He's a rebel. Showed the finger to both sides, kicked their ass and defied the laws of nature by becoming that... whatever it was without losing his humanity.
He was only in denial over his ability to become a hero, so he settled on becoming an original monster™. He ended up tapping into both monstrosity and the power of the human limiter (don't get triggered I'm not saying he broke it), that's something else.
Is that why characters in it aren't allowed to have more than one dimension or any character development? Because Saitama comically cancels out all power level discussion?
Are you reading the current arc at all?
Ah yes. I see the other thread. My condolences.
I've said it once and I'll say it just one more time.
For a website based around "different topics, from Japanese anime, manga, and culture..." it's a fucking shame the board dedicated to anime and manga is also the one filled with the most shit taste.
Just look at this post, >>135652911
First of all this fuck has no idea wtf he's talking about. He's either not even familiar with the source material or just repeating some shit he's heard other people say.
But that's not the worst of it. He makes a good point:
>great villains are relatable,
And people reply calling him an edgelord for wanting actual depth behind the characters in a story?
YES YES YES
A villain should be relatable. It's great when an antagonist can be sympathized with and there's moral ambiguity in the story.
If a villain exists only to be evil and get destroyed they're half-baked to say the least. They serve as nothing more than cheap foil that won't leave any lasting impression.
It shows thought behind their existence and a deeper level of discourse between the forces within a work when a villain can be thought-provoking and relatable.
And you fucks think that's bad and "edgy?"
You don't even understand the very basics of story telling you fucking complete autistic retards.
I'm done. Take this shit as you may, Reply with smug animu girls as you certainly will.
I just hope I've reached at least one person.
I don't really expect to, though.
A villain can be understand yes but a good antagonist should never be relatable or make us want to side with him. A good villain is one who has great chemistry with the hero that makes it engaging to watch them interact and see how the hero will overcome any obstacles the villain throws at him. The villain doesn't even need a complex story as long they are memorable and entertaining in their own way. This is why disney villains are beloved and the new movie Maleficent is trite.
You fucking take that back and start reading.
I read all of the webcomic yesterday due to me being too impatient to wait for the manga to update. Some panels have me wondering if ONE is hiding his power level.
Your loss. ONE's art style fluctuates between funny and actually decent perfectly.
But not all great villains are relatable. Some of the best written villains I've found were dicks for the love of it, no deep meaning behind it and no backstory that makes you cry for them. As >>135684774 pointed out, there's pretty much not a single Disney villain that had a relatable or sympathethic motivation and yet they're some of the villains that have established the standards.
Hell, look at Shakespeare. He wrote relatable villains, but he also wrote villains that were just fucking scum. Have you ever read Othello?
Yep. Nox is a good example, he did horrible things, but his plan was to get back in time and everything bad he did would be erased.
I cant blame him, he was sure he could do it
>a literal world war was about to start in less than 5 minutes away
>Ozymandias was wrong for stopping a nuclear world war
Did you even read the comic. It was literally the only way. It is the right thing while also being pretty evil.
This isn't /co/ so thats all I wanted to say.
As for Garou his idea for being a villain is fine. I didn't have a problem with Samurai Flamingo's villain of wanting to be a Kamen rider villain or how about that boy detective manga where the bad guy was a friend of the kids who always pretended to be the bad guy in their games and became one in real life to make them real life heroes.
I have it in storage and its been years. Is it to do with the secret being revealed from Rorschach's journal?
If you think I haven't read it how would I know about Owlmans sex dream with his old villainous? I honestly don't remember something so long ago.
>Is it to do with the secret being revealed from Rorschach's journal?
Yes, I thought that the final message was pretty obvious. "You can't change human nature" so the war is inevitable.
>I cant blame him, he was sure he could do it
Actually, he wasn't. At one point he says "If it works, nothing will matter because technically nothing will have happened, if it doesn't, well fuck all of you I don't care".
>fights to install his own brand of justice and peace
>values human life
>puts his own life on the line multiple times to protect a kid
You're actually retarded.
I liked Garou. He was pretty entertaining to watch and it was nice that he continued to get stronger.
And he was really nice being a villain who just angry and had problem with being bullied until he got strong enough, but didn't really know what to do except "ooga booga"ing it up. It was nice that they didn't really simplify it or shove it in anyone's face that he was just mad and didn't know what to do with it.
I really hope to see him as a hero-ish guy. He'd probably never settle for being called a hero, but I hope to see him as a "good" guy
I think he's fine with being called a hero, the ugly kid basically considered him one and it reignited his desire to live. But he definitely won't be fine with officially joining the association, so he'll probably end up being
>a hero for a hobby
was actually the second time. we find out his weakness is an archtype of Monsters called ugmons; people that were so ugly that the constant bullying and isolation due to it transformed them into monsters.
in the presence of an Ugmon, he becomes a sniveling weak coward who loses all his power.
he also gets fucked up badly. i think itll be revealed hea ctually really ugly and wear a face mask and pretends to be handsome. kinda like handsome jack.
maybe he become the "Anti-Hero" and hunts monsters, but also hunts corrupt heroes who dont belong in the association. like those guys who were messing with gang stuff during the Saitama vs Tatsumaki fight.
thus he thins out the organization to only those who truly deserve to be called heroes.
>hunts monsters, but also hunts corrupt heroes
If ONE actually blesses us with a legitimate civil war arc involving MK, SM or Blast, this could be a thing. I doubt it though.
Either way it seems too early - jokes about ONE's update rate aside - for Garou to come back. He'll probably reappear to help humanity once God descends.
i always figured it was him realizing the new gap he had to close. Something came a long and he needed to be stronger. So he busted out old techniques. learned new ones. invent a new style, and transform.
all the way until he met a gap that was impossible to close in on. and that just tore him to pieces.
>but also hunts corrupt heroes who dont belong in the association.
He never did that. He didn't care who is or isn't corrupt because he assumed that monsters are harmless and heroes are beating up innocent creatures. We have a word for that; criminally insane.
>I never understood this part. His technique allowed him to counter and evade Saitama'spunches pretty easily. Why didn't he keep that up?
Note that "speed" is crossed out. This is proof that Saitama was still moving faster than him. Basically in the fight the battle is portrayed in slow motion. This is also why the debris from the tableflip appeared to be frozen in mid air, because they were moving so fast that the debris might as well be levitating.
There have been times when the villains were so cocky and edgy that the audience wished they'd win despite the creators intentions to have them come off as bad people. As a result this created a new trend of movies where the villains are cool badasses.
The word you're looking for is naive, perhaps sheltered, because he assumed that all monsters did was instilling fear and only fighting the heroes. He assumed they might have noble goals, like him. Also nice job posting from the Ice Age. You do know that Garou told the monsters to suck it as well, right? Several times. He even fucking attacked a monster first.
>You do know that Garou told the monsters to suck it as well, right? Several times. He even fucking attacked a monster first.
Yes. But that isn't because he wanted to fight monsters. He is not living in reality and fight in a mental haze. He fight monsters because at some point he start to think monsters are just like the heroes. He wants all the heroes gone, and after the monstes threaten the kid he start to consider the monsters the same as heroes.
Garou's entire insanity is that heroes are bad. And everything else that is bad is automatically a hero and need to be beaten too.
It's a redraw from a page in the manga.
>It's more that he thinks Heroes aren't good enough and should be better,
He had not been sparing good heroes.He just sends every single hero to the hospital whether they were good or bad. You can't seriously say he wants better heroes when the only true hero in his mind is himself. He is still in that schoolyard, being bullied and all alone. Everyone else is an enemy and all should be eliminated.
Yes, Garou want better heroes. But he doesn't know any of the heroes and fought them anyway. The only "better hero" is himself, because to him all heroes are bullies, and Garou himself want to be the king of bullies.
There is no "better world" in Garou's plans. Because he just want revenge against people who don't remember him anymore. A sad and pathetic overpowered kid.
No prior to the alien thing Ozzy pulled the world was ready for peace talks.It's not outright said but read some of the background text boxes and news papers its strongly implied they were going into peace talks.
All Ozzy did was fuck everything up because now there will never be peace talks and war will happen anyway.
You literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Stop pulling shit out of your asshole.
Garou states very clearly that the current model of justice and evil in the world doesn't satisfy him. The hypocritical heroes are enforcing their own justice, the vane monsters are conducting their own evil, as he learns very soon. Both tried to force him to follow their rules but he refused them to create his own order as a monster who'd bring peace to the world.
>heroes are bad
Hypocrites, not exactly bad, just often not HEROIC. Are you implying that the heroes were infallible, by the way? Heroes can't be bad? Ever? My fucking sides, the arc did go right over your head.
>Literally a edgy contrarian baby who thinks hes smart by doing the opposite
I get it Saitama is the ultimate hero but doesn't even try and Garou is the ultimate villain and tries his ass off well doing it. Both are gags neither is deep and this is why i hate OPMfans who miss the fucking point. You're looking for shit that isn't there.
I've never seen a gag series with so many faggots who also debate power levels of a gag character who is just meant to win because hes the best.
OPMfans are largely just hipster DBZ fans i guess who wanna laugh at something that makes fun of shit like DBZ but then discuss it just like DBZ fans do their own shit.
But he's not a Hero and clearly doesn't act the part. That's the whole point of Saitama's speech. Garou wanted a perfect world where everyone is happy and that would require a truly incredible Hero. Garou had no confidence so rather than be a Hero who could create a perfect world, he decided to be a monster that the world would have to become perfect in response to defeat him.
>Garou states very clearly that the current model of justice and evil in the world doesn't satisfy him.
Garou stated clearly many things. And nearly everything he said ended up being a lie.
>Garou wanted a perfect world where everyone is happy and that would require a truly incredible Hero. Garou had no confidence so rather than be a Hero who could create a perfect world, he decided to be a monster that the world would have to become perfect in response to defeat him.
Garou want many things, but it has nothing to do with why he fight heroes. He fight heroes because he is insane and think Heroes are useless leaches who don't do anything useful. Thus it is impossible for you to argue that he thinks the world need heroes. He didn't even think heroes were necessary. He thinks heroes are a threat to society. He just wants the bullies in hius head to disappear, so he hurt random strangers. Garou is NOT rational.
The Rorschach's journal is going to mess up everything. Did you really believe that everything was going to end like some kind of kids shows ? Oh God... Look, I'm not in the mood right now. My body doesn't feel good and I dont care anymore about this discussion so let's end this. Please continue with your OPM thread. I'm going to leave.
>Some faggot who literally moves the goal post every time hes contradicted
Hes just like every pseudo intellectual teenage who believes his way would be the right way to make peace in the world. Hes just a poorly written Light Yagami who isn't even that well written himself.
>If he wanted the Heroes to disappear then he would have killed them.
>But he didn't.
That's because he thinks he is still in the playground. The bullies didn't kill him as a child either. He didn't kill heroes because he thinks he is just getting revenge for being bullied.
He thinks about the world being unjust as it is all. the. fucking. time. It's a constant thing. He also outright disagrees with both MA and HA.
You're a fucking retard.
No offense, but your entire argument in this entire thread has literally been "he's a bully who thinks he's stuck in the playground". The fact that you'd repeat this ad nauseum shows your base level of understanding Garou's motives despite it all being laid out front of you in the dialogue, thought narrations and character reactions. Seriously, stop insisting this shit.
>he decided to be a monster that the world would have to become perfect in response to defeat him.
Re-reading it again I don't think this was his plan at all. He thought heroes weren't good enough and their efforts resulted in nothing since it simply begets more evil in people. What he was planning was to become a literal deterrent, a force of terror that would bring fear into everyone (heroes or villains alike) to the point that it would simply force them to make do and survive with each other.
It's a fucked up concept ruled by utter fear and the only reason he asked Saitama his motives was because if his brand of evil were to be struck down, he'd at least to hear the motive and morals behind the very hero who's able to beat him (something that he was clearly unhappy with when Saitama gave him his "it's just a hobby" answer).
>He thinks about the world being unjust as it is all. the. fucking. time.
Of course he does. The bullies who hurt him are no longer around and he couldn't get his revenge. So now he hurt random strangers to get even. How unfair.
>The fact that you'd repeat this ad nauseum shows your base level of understanding Garou's motives despite it all being laid out front of you in the dialogue,
Garou's dialogue is entirely random. His narrations showed that buillying is all he knows. And the fight fight with all the heroes against him is just a flashback of him being ganged up. Nothing he said ended up being truth. Garou doesn't believe anything he said himself. So why do you believe it?
The Heroes were very prepared to kill him. He didn't kill them.
No, the fact he was dead inside doesn't count. They were still prepared to kill him even before that, it's just that they lost.
No it's because he didn't need or want to kill them. The monsters he had to stop because they would kill anyone indiscriminately.
He got so strong the heroes couldn't stand up to him and only crawled out of their holes once Saitama defeated him. His goal was to scare them and dismantle the HA by making it look like a failure, not to murder them.
>Garou's dialogue is entirely random.
No they're really not, you'd have to be an idiot to think that the shit he says are random when even his mental narration falls in line with everything he says. You can say that Garou is a naive brat who doesn't know any better but everything he said at the end were actually shit that he genuinely believed and that's why Saitama was even able to read him. The only contradiction in his motives is that he wanted peace through deterrence/fear which is why Saitama deduced that he actually wanted to be a hero deep down inside.
>Nothing he said ended up being truth. Garou doesn't believe anything he said himself.
Give me a page that proves this. Seriously, you've done nothing but go on and on about "muh lies" and "muh bullies" this entire time without even referring to a single moment in the story that clearly backs up your argument.
This is fucking stupid and that's not what he was even planning.
A better metaphor would be Garou holding a switch to a fucking nuclear missile that can wipe out anyone who opposes him, forcing everyone to get along with each other else he'll press the damn switch.
>A better metaphor would be Garou holding a switch to a fucking nuclear missile that can wipe out anyone who opposes him, forcing everyone to get along with each other else he'll press the damn switch.
He didn't treaten heroes. He sent all the heroes to hospital with serious injuries. Just as arsonists burn down actual homes and don't just threaten to.
>His narrations showed that buillying is all he knows
More like, "bullying" is the only word you were able to comprehend and memorize. Fix your English faggot.
Garou also clearly believed in his plan, you have to be dumb as fuck to claim that him VENTING shit to Saitama was a lie. He even briefly mentioned his personal issues out loud there for the first time, you retard.
Have you ever heard of ends justifying the means? It's a fucking common trope and that's exactly why Garou dismantled the entire HA. The means were beating up the heroes, the end goal was his rule of terror. It's as simple as that and how you're not able to process this in your head baffles me.
>. The means were beating up the heroes, the end goal was his rule of terror.
The means was to beat up kid Garou, The end goal was to rule the playground.
And you are entirely missing the point. He is destroying the hero association with the justification that it should have been strong enough to stop him, and if they can't then they shouldn't exist. The sdame argument applies for an arsonist who think the local fire-fighter shouldn't exist if they can't stop him burning the whole city down.
>All his core beliefs are lies.
>literally reads characters based on truths and lies
Holy shit you can't be this stupid. I can't even take you seriously after this and now your entire argument makes so much sense in how stupid it is because you just categorize a character's beliefs based on what you deem as truths and lies in-universe. There's a limit to how much you can pretend to be retarded anon.
>The means was to beat up kid Garou, The end goal was to rule the playground.
Seriously just stop. Are you telling me that Garou was looking for a fight each time to get beat up? I don't even think you're following what I'm saying here.
>The sdame argument applies for an arsonist who think the local fire-fighter shouldn't exist if they can't stop him burning the whole city down.
Except the retarding thing about your metaphor is that the arsonist in question doesn't want to burn the whole city down. Or are you saying that the HA is a literal equivalent to the whole city, because it's not, it's literally the organization governing/protecting it and that's literally what Garou was aiming to topple.
>The sdame argument applies for an arsonist who think the local fire-fighter shouldn't exist if they can't stop him burning the whole city down.
That's false equivalence. That argument doesn't work because Garou's goals are squarely focused on the organization and not on the resulting evil that would befall the general populace. Testing their strength by squarely focusing his efforts on them is his goal and it's just that. A better metaphor would be if the military got fed up with how the government and police ran the system so the military leader decided to initiate a coup with the military rising as a terror figure that would force everyone to get along with each other.
>traumatized since childhood Garou embarks on a journey to change the universal order/image of justice and evil all by himself
>Heroes: Faggot why would you ever want to be called a monster? We'll kill you and enforce OUR JUSTICE.
>Monsters: Faggot you're too human. If you don't fit in and follow our rules we'll kill you and conduct OUR EVIL.
>Garou cheats death and craps on both sides because he's tenacious like that and his goal is too important to him
>actually becomes an enigmatic human-monster creature in order to reshape and unite the world
Bullying is fueled by the mob mentality. When a person stands out and doesn't belong they'll inevitably get attacked or shunned. Yet you faggots claim Garou is the bully? My fucking sides.
He had his own motivation and a goal that he SPEWED OUT like a fucking volcano, the fact that you refuse to believe it just shows how fucking stupid you are. He was misguided and insecure, yes, but he believed in his plan and dedicated himself to it. He thought it's his only way to change the world, that's why Saitama defeating him made him want to commit sudoku - he had no reason to live anymore. He still didn't even believe he could be a hero, until Busaiku arrived to save him at least.
>He had his own motivation and a goal that he SPEWED OUT like a fucking volcano
>He was misguided and insecure, yes, but he believed in his plan and dedicated himself to it.
I don't get how people are still stupid enough to think that he was lying when he was basically spewing every little shit he gave a damn about in his life.
So when are we going to see watchdogman in action?
He hasn't really had any screen time at all.
He only ever gets shown at meetings or in scenes where multiple heroes are introduced
>So when are we going to see watchdogman in action?
Never.Seriously speaking, maybe soon. There's a small chance we'll actually see him in this arc expansion. ONE's been exceeding some expectations.
All we know is his nose is pretty good. Plus he tears off heads.
He's a vicious