But you can't sense energy, you moron.

>>135647770
Didn't he at least know that sensing energy without a scouter was a thing? He could have figured it out during the 4 months of slapping Tagoma around.

>>135647770
Probably acquired it after training or just Toei being Toei.

The real problem is that he's sensing God ki.

>>135647949
Some mortals like Dende seem to be able to do it anyway

>>135647949

Maybe he's a Freeza Race God oh who am I kidding this entire arc was such a bunch of bullshit.

>>135648027
>Some mortals like Dende
Nah Dende is Earth's God, Toei fucked up.

>>135647770
He's probably buffing, acting like he can sense it lol

>A being that fears a Super Saiyan can compete with Gods after 4 months.

I get reasoning behind it, that he never trained before. But it's still dumb.

The red form should've been called Saiyan God instead of Super Saiyan God.
The blue form should've been called Super Saiyan God instead of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

>>135648081
Leaving aside that Kami isn't necessarily translated as God, I'm pretty sure that Dende ages like any other namekian. It's just that maybe namekians are more attuned to mystical stuff as even Piccolo seems to be able to discern the difference between the "normal" ki and the divine one

>>135648155
Yeah but DBZ has been shit since the Cell saga ended why are you still watching?

>>135648199
I keep hoping it will get better.

Is it DBS not giving a fuck about was previously established? Again? Not surprised.

>>135647770
neither did vegeta, but apparently he learned how to before reaching namek

>>135648273
Didn't GT pull this shit too?

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>http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Resurrection_%E2%80%98F%E2%80%99_Saga
>http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Champa_Saga

25. An All-Out Battle! The Vengeful Golden Freeza (Current)
26. ???
27. Goku's Conclusive Kamehameha!
28. Arrival!! God of Destruction Champa!
29. Showdown Between Universes!

Almost there anons almost there

>>135647770
Sensing energy is really fucking easy once you know it can be done.

>>135648273
When was it established that Frieza could never ever learn to sense Ki ever?

I mean Vegeta pretty much learned it in the exact same way if not even more bullshit honestly.

However we entirely disregard that part because "Well DBZ was great back then, fuck you". Shit, I don't think DBZ has really changed that much, I think we've just kind of grown up and now realize what it is basically. So with each new arc and plot point we're viewing it critically.

>>135648180
It was alluded already that Guardians of planets can sense Divine/God energy.
Dende became Earth's Kami, so he got some divine energy and can sense it.

>>135648499
The anime is almost reaching the manga right?

>>135648515
Right at the beginning of DBS. Non-deities can't sense godly ki.
Back in Namek arc Frieza couldn't sense ki at all, than suddenly he can even sense even godly ki? Bullshit.

>>135648782
Vegeta also couldn't sense Ki at all, then after getting his ass kicked on Earth, suddenly he could just do it by the time he reached Namek for no reason.

People don't question that bullshit though, because ultimately it didn't matter. Despite how he never learned and could just do it now.

>>135648515
DBS just doesn't have any real tension, when you have people like Beerus and Whis backing up the protags you can't say that any of the villains so far has posed any threat.

>>135648861
Vegeta also learned how to sense God ki through training in Super; he sensed Whis' Ki in an earlier episode after training under him for a pretty short amount of time.

>>135647770
daily reminder: he didn't say this in ROF

daily reminder fuck toei

>>135648886
More like because it all takes place before the last episodes of Z.

>>135648886
>you can't say that any of the villains so far has posed any threat.

Read the manga instead then

Shit is going way too fast compared to the anime, and now we're up against things that are on the level of Beerus and Whis, or on the level of Goku and them at their strongest, and Beerus can't help.

We have gods of destruction from other universes, and the strongest people from each universe, with the universe in balance.

>>135648499
>we've been waiting a year for the show to actually start

bravo toei

>>135648914
Vegeta was training with a god and was already accustomed with sensing ki. Frieza was training with Tagoma.

>>135648047

You'd think a series where the main plot device is being able to wish for almost anything would create a ton of fucking plot holes, but nope, all of the fucked up plot holes have nothing to do with the wishing aspect.

>>135648133

Especially considering that Goku was trained by Whis, who is roughly 2x as strong as Beerus

>>135648886
From a meta standpoint everything here CAN'T have much tension if they want to follow through to the end of the manga. Earth will be at peace, and even if the heroes failed they still have like three different sets of Dragon Balls around for a handy reset button.

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Manga just randomly decided "Fuck all this movie shit, I want to get to original content already", and so it did fuck all the movie stuff and just move on.

It summarized the entire movies in like three chapters somehow.

>>135649077
Because there is already a RoF manga.

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>>135649113
Whatever nerd, the RoF manga didn't even cover the entire thing.

>>135649134
Nice backpedal faggot.

>>135649077
I do not understand the piccolo pick, he's so fucking outclassed at this point its not even funny.

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>>135649113
Done by the same artist, Toyble. AKA the dude who did that one AF doujin. He also works on the Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission manga.

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>>135649150
No backpedal, I said the manga just zoomed right past the movie shit, and that's indeed what it did. Everything I said is exactly as I said it.

There was a separate manga that tried to cover RoF, but I don't consider that as counting much since it didn't cover the entire thing and generally didn't matter. It felt like a lead in to the movie, and that's it.

It wasn't trying to be a manga in itself, as evident in it not even finishing from what I recall.

>>135647949
No he's not. That was the whole point of that line. He thinks he's sensing Goku's real power level when the god ki is hiding Goku's superiority.

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>>135648499
>Blue Freeza from another universe
When will this Freeza shit end

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>>135649224
Keep going anon.

>>135649181

It's their way of giving Gohan the finger again.

The point is that Toei and Tori are cementing the fact that this character is Yamcha tier now

>>135649208
That reminds me of my Ice Demon character in Xenoverse.
It had a fuckload of problems, but it was such a fun game ;_;

>>135649181
>What is training?
God you faggot are dumb. Have you even read Dragon Ball?

>>135649268
Freeza has been revived like 5 times now.

>>135649268
That's not Freiza, that's another person from his race, you racist.

If there was a Saiyan on the team you wouldn't be going "Oh man, its fucking Goku piece of shit back again, I wonder what alternate universe spawned this version of Goku". Except there is a Saiyan on the other team, and no one cares because Winnie the Pooh.

The may as well introduce other Frizakins, since they had an entire race of them in that one shit game recently.

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>>135649268
It's not Frieza you Bardock. It's another member of his race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcBtQzhVdxs

Dragonballllll
Dragonballlll heroes!

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>>135649345
>Counting non-canon shit

>>135649268

>Toei: What do you guys think was the best DBZ arc?
>Fukbois: The Frieza arc, easily
>Toei: Say no more

>>135649346
>That's not Freiza, that's another person from his race, you racist.

But King Cold and Cooler looked different this guy look like Blue Freeza

>>135649346
>no one cares because Winnie the Pooh.
Nigga he will win this thing. Have you seen the shit he's gone up against? Years of Baseball practice have prepared him for this.

>>135649403

How's that coping working for ya?

>>135649346
Dude, that guy in front of Froze IS a fucking Saiyajin from the other universe.

>>135649346
>>135649379
Oh, fuck you jackasses. You fucking clowns could have thrown a fit or complains about Mexicans if it was Evil Goku or Good Bardock or some fucking horseshit!

We literally just revived Freeza for a fucking canon arc. We can't give it a fucking rest? This is clearly an effortless rehashed design, trying to make this team look interesting by having one character look similar to a popular one.

They even have the characters confuse him for Freeza, don't tell me that's not what they're trying to do.

>>135649480

Read his whole post again anon

>>135649480
Its nice you don't have reading comprehension, I laid that trap at the end of the second sentence for a reason here.

>>135649403
Whatever
We've had Freeza come back after he was defeated on Namek
We've had Cooler, who was obviously supposed to ring some bells with Freeza
We have Mecha Cooler, who they fight on New Namek for fuck's sake.
Then we actually revive Freeza and give him a movie and a fucking arc.
Then in the next fucking arc, we have a character that looks just like Freeza!
like him.

And that's not even including the Exterminate the Saiyans OVA or his cameo in Movie 12!

Even if we don't count Cooler (who had more effort put into his power up, but that's another story), we're coming right off a arc for this bastard and then throwing in a character that looks just him! This shit is getting real fucking old.

>>135649420
He has a different body structure. You're just a racist.

>>135649513
>More Saiyans
>Good/evil versions of already-known Saiyans at that
Oh we totally need that you double-racist. At least Fuccboi Saiyan isn't an alternate good/evil version of an already established character. Just like this guy (Frost) isn't Frieza. Some nigga post the full page.

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>>135648130
>lol

Kill yourself.

>>135649636
You seem entirely too upset about this.

>>135649643
>He has a different body structure
He is just wearing shoes

Shoes aren't a race

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>>135649636
I hope they include more just to piss you off you space racist.

>>135649513
This isn't a rehash of Freiza, is the idea. Goku will be "Oh man, this guy looks like Freiza" at first, but it'll turn out that this guy is like that universes Goku or something.

Its too obvious to not be a complete turnaround in several ways. Toriyama is pretty obvious about this shit, he always goes for the obvious as shit twist in that sense.

Just like how we know that he's trying to get us to underestimate that nipple guy going "how silly" only for him do do some big shit once its started. They guy is too damn obvious about it.

He's not completely like Freiza in appearance, he's a bit different, like he's blue, but if you remember Goku never met any other guys from Freiza's race to date. He'd think any of them would look about the same. No Cooler was not canon, nor is he real.

Its not "Oh man, Freiza again for the seventh time" at all; you can introduce other Saiyans without it being "Oh man Goku again for the thousandth time?". Its about time they finally at least tried to explore what the fuck Freiza's race even is, or if they have a name.

So far they're just called "Freiza's race", which is fucking stupid any way since he didn't rule them.

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>>135649643
I didn't say that I want more Saiyans.
But I think it's pretty lame that we've got NOT-FREEZA apart of the cast, because it's just a lame pallete swap, and you fucking Superfriends jump off bridges to defend it.

How exactly would is this better than "Not Goku!" or "Not Brolly!" appearing? They're obviously trying to make you think of Freeza by using his design. It's entirely effortless and thoughtless.

>>135649401
Why are these better looking than the actually series currently?

>>135649756
Its okay when Toriyama woes it. Shhh.

>>135649767
Dunno man, but that song is damn catchy.

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>>135649689
His armor plating is natural. He has his feet covered. His tail's different. His colors are different. You're a Bardock, I bet you think Chilled looks the same too.

>>135649842
>He has his feet covered
Yeah shoes, he has shoes.

The fuck's a Chilled?

>>135649959
I hate minus and EoB so much.

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>>135649882

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>>135649959

>>135649996
Well no that's a midget without shoes and his horns are different so it's not Freeza

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Looks like there can't be an actual argument about this until we first disprove that its not "Just Freiza, no difference except Blue. You're just a rabid wanker if you don't believe that's the case, in which case I don't want to hear anything more".

Otherwise it'll turn into "Shh, its fine when Nintendo does it" type argument.

You can see there's a few dozen differences here and there.

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>>135649401
>>135649767
Because Heroes is the actual money-maker. Super is an afterthought compared to it, and it shows. It also doesn't take as much to plot out either. And lastly it simply cares more.

It cares about Super.

It cares about Z.

It cares about Dragon Ball.

It even cares about GT. More than even GT cared about GT!

You remember that Super Saiyan Bardock OVA and manga? It existed SOLELY to promote Super Saiyan Bardock in Heroes. And it hasn't stopped him there. Super Saiyn 2 Bardock. Super Saiyan 3 Bardock!

And let's not forget about Gohan. It gave regular Gohan Super Saiyan 3. It gave FUTURE Gohan Super Saiyan 3. It gave GT Gohan Super Saiyan 4.

It didn't stop there either. Shadow Dragons get new forms. Broly gets Super Saiyan 4. Everything gets Majin'd, from Garlic Jr. to Super 13 to Hatchiyak. Baby Janemba. The list goes on and on...

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>>135649723
I don't want to hear your lame excuses as for rehashing character designs is a-okay.
Especially after coming off an arc.

This is clearly without effort and an lame attempt at nostalgia, and you're sitting here spinning theories why this is acceptable.

I'm not asking for GOOD CELL, oh, I mean his name is MEMBRANE, or NICE BROLLY oh wait, CALIFLOWER. Just a little effort more than nto at all. We just finished giving Freeza an arc about his revival and gave him the power to challenge the goddamn SSG. We can give his character AND DESIGN a fucking rest, can't we?

It wasn't that great a concept when they did it with Turles, and now that the series is over the hill, you people lap it up like candy and tell anyone who doesn't like it to go back to Brazil.

>>135650140
>Brazil
what

>>135650133
>FUTURE Gohan Super Saiyan 3.
Pics?

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>>135650133
And let's not forget it giving all its Saiyan player characters Super Saiyan 3 and soon, Super Saiyan God.

>>135650217
>those thighs
UNF

>>135650192
BR's are one of the many boogeymen of these threads.

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>>135650061
We know it's not going to be Freeza..
The point is the lack of effort on the artist's part in creating an interesting design, and going back to drawing from Freeza's stalk instead.

Basically what I'm saying is that this is on the same level of a Sonic fan character, and Superfriends are trying to ride on a high horse about it.

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>>135650208
You want Super Saiyan 3 Trunks too? GT Trunks? Time Patrol Trunks?

>>135650192
People make fun of South Americans who are hardcore DBZ fans apparently and hate the silly direction of the new series.

>>135650295
>>135650255
BR here.
I absolutely loved BoG and the direction Super is going.

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>>135650264
Nigga do you even know what series you're talking about? For fuck's sake it's more creative than something like THIS.

>>135649657
i think the lol meme is cute

>>135650361
Why do I get the feeling he hates Christmas?

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>>135650239
Note a best girl.

>>135650292
Pan get anything?

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>>135650292
How about Vegetto? Or maybe Gogeta's more your thing?

>>135650361
>Sir I don't think this will work you just drew Goku again
>Yeah but I gave him Piccolo's cloak

>>135648499
Im honestly only hyped for Hits fight.

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>>135650507
Nope. Sorry. Have more Saiyan girls though. They come in three different flavors!

>>135650593
Damn.

>>135650593
>all those delicious thighs
Please help me.

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>>135650593
>Delicious brown

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>>135650617
Honestly the fact that they haven't is strange. Maybe they're planning something. Maybe Pan will get Super Cyan.

Here, have some Kais instead.

>>135650361
It wasn't great when they did it with Turles either. You know what, I think he's a pretty subpar villain actually.

But you know what? At least he's not wearing Goku's fucking clothes.

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>>135650720
First pink kai looks like Supreme Kai of Time.
She's perfect and voiced by my waifu's VA.

>>135650720
A tumblr, a hippy, and an oppai loli walk into a bar...

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I wonder if Mira will eventually appear in Super, I know hes stronger than Perfect Cell and me might be as tough as Kid Buu

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>>135650720
Maybe Jinzoningen are more your taste?

>>135650877
Damn those femdroids in the middle.
PERFECTION

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>>135650856
Mira in Xenoverse was just a bit weaker than Super Buu.

Heroes gave him Super Saiyan.

>Faggots ITT calling him Frieza instead of Freeza
Kill yourselves please.

>>135650877

Bottom row. For all three.

>>135650965
Its Furiza you fucking idiot.

>>135650950
And from what I just read Super Mira multiplies his power by x50.And since he does have Friezas DNA I wouldnt be surprised if he can achieve a stronger form

>>135650965
>>135651003
His name is Fridge.

>>135651045
>>135651003
>>135650965
I thought it was Freezer

>>135651032
It's actually even stronger than regular Super Saiyan since he's a Demon.

>>135650061

From what we've seen in the manga and what has been leaked so far, he's not evil and actually shy

>>135649412
But Namek was the best arc. And Freeza was the best villain. This is objective fact

>>135651032
Wait, just what the fuck is Mira? I thought he was an artificial being created by Towa

>>135651125
Oh for fucks sake.

>>135651125
We've only seen one panel of him you retard.

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Will DBS add things from DBO. Toriyama did write the concepts and the like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p84nBxAwQOs

>>135651138
He's basically Demon Cell. He has Saiyan genetics, stuff from regular Cell, Freeza, Buu, and a whole shitton of Demon Bullshit.

Canonically Towa fucks him and has a son with him. So he's also literally, canonically, a sexbot too.

>>135650292
So did any variation of Gohan get a god form yet?

>>135651138
Mira is basically Cell with basically every villains DNA inside of him

>>135651195
Nope

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>>135651227
Not yet. But some day, maybe...

In the meantime, Time Breaker Dabura, with his sister.

>>135647949
"Based on the energy I'm sensing, I can say I'm much stronger"

Clearly he can't sense Goku's god ki and is mistaken.

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>>135651337
Not enough? How about Time Patrol Goten?

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So confirmed, Brief genes stronk, because look at this cougar.

>>135647770
It's likely he just learned during his 4 months of training. Goku learned Instant Transmission offscreen too.

Is Sandland any good?

>>135651522
Not bad, but wasn't anything memorable.

>>135651522
Yes. Read it.

Post more Towa

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>>135651572
k

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>>135651572

>>135651337
>sister
Isn't her his daughter?

When did you realize AT was a hack?

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>>135651681
Towa is Dabura's sister. She's also a ronrey basement dweller who builds her own fuckbot.

>>135651718
Dragonball Minus was the final straw.

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>>135650133
What about Cell?

Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Cell? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Perfect Cell. I'm not talking about Super Perfect either. Hell, I'm not even talking about SSGSS Golden Cell. I’m also not talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with 9001 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus & Whis' DNA. I'm definitely NOT Talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with 9001 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus, Whis, Champa & Vados' DNA after absorbing enough Spiral Power & Getter Rays to use SSGSS Golden Tengen Toppa Getter Emperor. I'm talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with an infinite number of SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus, Whis, Champam, Vados & Ultimate Kars' DNA to obtain Requiem versions of every Stand after absorbing enough Spiral Power & Getter Rays to use SSGSS Golden Tengen Toppa Getter Emperor as he pilots Elder Demonbane with Cosmic Armor, Power cosmic, and Omega effect while he does 100 Push-ups, 100 Sit-ups, 100 Squats, 10 km run for over 4 months inside the sun after ingesting Kryptonian DNA (to somehow obtain infinite power from a finite source) after consuming Popeye's Spinach while riding the writer's cock to battle.

Keep in mind that this Cell is able to leverage Namekian regeneration and Frieza's physiology to put extremely high multipliers on the Kaioken, can produce Cell Jrs and borrow their energies to power the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb), with full mastery of the Shunkan Ido (Instant Transmission) and able to use Shunkan Kamehameha to sneak attack opponents before they knew what hit them, can use Cho Kyoshinjutsu (Giant Form) due to his Namekian DNA and Shishin no Ken (Multi Form) together to overwhelm opponents, has Taiyoken to get the drop on any opponent that can see, and is able to spam Kikohos since Androids have infinite life energy and with Kikohos so strong that circular imprints are left on the ground.

>>135651812
Pretty sure Madara Uchiha can.

>>135651812
Whis

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Not good enough. Towa already made a better one. Combined it with Lavos.

>>135651852
I'll have to add that.
>Beerus, Whis, Champam, Vados, Madara Uchiha & Ultimate Kars' DNA
Thanks for the reminder.
>>135651861
I already put Whis there.

>>135651931
Still Whis.

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>>135651893
fug

>>135648155
>Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
I still want to know what the fuck was everyone smoking when they decided this was a good name

>>135651893
This looks like the kind of shit you'd see in a From Software game.

>>135651969
>Whis
He's not perfect.

>>135650508
...Does Vegetto even need that?

>>135652097
Dragonballllll
Dragonballlllll heroes

>>135651383
Is there a ssj2 Goten?

All these hypothetical characters need to be in a fighting game.

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>>135651610
>>135651668
>>135651774
>Still no porn of Towa or The Supreme Kai of Time

>>135649077
>Even Goku/Vegeta are disappointed at Gohan becoming Yamcha 2.0

>>135651774
>>135651221
>>135651231
>>135651337
>>135651893
So is it just me or is this bitch literally some Deviantart autist with super-demon-science BS. OC DONUT STEEL DEMON SAIYAN CELL HUSBANDO, crossover nonsense Cell, time travel nonsense. I bet you she shitposts about Dragon Ball whenever she gets the chance. She could even be shitposting about Dragon Ball right now.

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>>135652097
Does Majin Baby Janemba need to exist?

>>135652155
Its literally on the same level as Dragonball AF and other fanfiction. Even Super has shades of Multiverse. Its shameful and hypocritical.

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>>135652128
There is some. Just not a lot.

Meanwhile, Super 17 (18 Absorbed).

So with the recent chapter, Goku and Vegita used the Hyper Time Chamber for 3 days, but wasn't there a limit?

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>>135652216
And Super 17 (Cell Absorbed)

>>135652244
Yep. Another thing ignored.

>>135652244
That's what I assumed at first but I then assumed that they somehow repaired it & upgraded it. Dende did upgrade the Dragon Balls.

>>135652244
Toriyama forgot.

They'll just make something up and say "uhhh... god ki lets you stay in longer."

>>135650508
>Vegete SSJ3
Dude.
I remember a MUGEN DBZ game that came with a CD-ROM I bought ages ago.
There was Vegeto in the game. He was completely overpowered. But even then, at the time, he had a SSJ3 transformation(that I never got to know how to do). Shit was crazy.

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>>135652206
>Its shameful and hypocritical.
Only if you take it seriously.
Don't take it seriously nigga.

>>135652284
>stay longer
Actually, the door disappears if you spend longer than 2 outside days... Wait, does that mean anyone strong as/stronger than Super Buu or Gotenks can just yell & get out anytime?

>>135652322
Yes.

>>135651195
So why did this fail? An MMO in the world of dragonball actually sounds like fun.

>>135652331
It actually makes a surprising amount of sense then. Goku & Vegeta train longer than the door lasts & then just yell their way out.

>>135652366
Generic Korean grinder.

>>135648499

Wait, why is Piccolo relevant again?

Don't follow Super

>>135652366
Hi SOM.

>>135652244
>>135652255
It was only Kami's door that came with a limit. I'm not saying it isn't stupid that Whis just so happens to use that dimension to store food despite the fact that one day equals about one year so any food would be rotten in an 30 minutes.

>>135652406
He isn't. He's just there to fill a quota. Just like Buu.

>>135652406
Piccolo is the smart guy on the main team

Gohan is shit now

Buu is the funny guy who's stronger than he looks

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So who remembers Pan being thirsty for your character's D/V/T/whatever the fuck they have in Xenoverse?

Because that was a thing.

>>135652506
I LOVE PAN!

>>135652453
No no, you store it in Capsules, then store it in the HTC.

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>>135652506

>>135652506
>GT Pan being a Pansexual

And that's surprising because...?

>>135652395
That's a shame.

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>>135652506
>>135652570

>>135652528
shut your whore mouth no one liked Pan!

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>>135652580
>Pansexual
We're just Saiyan.

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>>135652580
I didn't say it was. Just reminding everyone that she's a lewd, thirsty little girl.

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>>135652244
Use your head.

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>>135652506
>GT Pan

>Being a thirsty slut

It goes in line with everything GT, I guess.

>>135648499
Where is that bitches nose.

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>>135652506
>>135652506
>MFW playing as a female saiyan and pan casually hits on me

>>135652668
>Krillin's daughter is a pure maiden

>Vegeta's daughter is a 13 year old slut

Who is the better father

>>135652664
Have you ever been in such a hurry that you yelled through reality?

>Gohan begins research for his book Groundbreaking Science. This event leads to the creation of Trunks and Goten's Kikoukenjutsu Sword School in the following year, Age 805, and Krillin and Tien's revived Turtle and Crane schools in Age 821. As a result, by Age 1000, many Earthlings have taken up advance martial arts and understand ki control.
Please put this in Super Toriyama.

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>>135652689
Why didn't I save that smut pastebin

>>135651195
That fight scene looks pretty cool. Hope DBS can match and surpass it.

>>135652697
No one ever accused Vegeta of being a good dad. Well, maybe Goku.

>>135648133

>he doesn't know about n00b gains

First 6 months of training, you can pack on 10lbs of muscle easily.

>>135652697

>Bra

>13 years old in GT

She's actually 8, anon.

Whoever was in charge of the English dub of GT wanted them to be teens already.

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>>135652733
>tfw Gohan raised a cute tomboy daughteru with his tomboy waifu

>>135652366
>>135652395

Dragon Ball Online failed? damn.

>It has been stated that Toriyama has been working on character designs for this project for the last five years before 2008

>>135647770
of all the bullshit plotholes in the show, OP picks the one thing that makes sense and is intentional characterization

motherfucking faggot.

>>135652796
>tomboy waifu
No longer.

>>135652709
>Gohan being a scholar finally does something besides sidelining him.

Finally, he isn't a complete waste in a fighting show.

>>135652709


I like to think Pan will definitely become Martial Artist. Hopefully, these two idiots will get their shit together and go with that.

>>135647770
everyone can sense energy, they just have to learn it. Vegeta couldnt do it either until he found out how

>>135652782
>that episode where like five 20 year old dudes hit on her
>meanwhile Pan has a deer trying to lick her tits

GT why you so pedo

How strong do you think Freeza's first form is? I know he killed Gohan, but that's not saying much these days.

>>135653005
Weaker than Buu, final form is probably as strong as Super Saiyan 2 Vegito

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>>135652845
It hurts anon. Tomboys are the best. Especially in spats

>>135653005
Assuming Piccolo didn't get weaker, probably between SSJ2 and Fat Buu, learning towards fatty.

>>135653031
God level beings would destroy SSJ3 Vegito with ease.

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>>135653051
They took a perfect character and destroyed her. I still can't believe it.

>>135653097
He's talking final form though. not gold frieza.

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>>135652912


>Krillin: Turtle School master
>Tien : New Crane School master
>Goten/Trunks: Kikokenjutsu School masters
>Pan : Demon house/arts master

Where would Uub fit in this, I wonder? He's technically a Turtle School Student, but...

>>135653128
Yeah, Bling Fridge could beat SSJ3 Vegito.

>>135653158
Fuck Uub. Probably got bored and abandoned training.

>>135653112
Man, what happened to Gohan & Videl when they were making Pan? Did all their awesome flow into their baby?

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>>135653112
>They took a perfect character and destroyed her. I still can't believe it.
I agree.

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>>135653191

>>135653165
SSGSS Vegito > Whis though

>>135653005
Probably around at least SSJ3.

Is DBO canon?

>>135653309
No.

i can't find a torrent for the newest episode

>>135647770
Always wondered about that...

>>135653128
Fourth form would probably be enough to down Vegito desu.

>>135653309
Yeah, Tori wrote it.

>>135653309

Canon in the sense that all that jazz was directly by Tori (and no, he didn't gave synopsis, he wrote almost all of it). And it brushes GT off so hard.

But who knows if Super will hint into that direction or it only ends at the manga epilogue.

>>135653309
Only thing that's canon for sure is the original manga.

Everything else with the dragonball name on it is in a limbo of "could be canon." Toriyama is not a man that's usually detail keen.

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>>135653309
Dodged a bullet here.

>>135649181
The only characters stronger than him are Gohan and Gotenks. Gohan lost his gains and Gotenks doesn't last long enough to matter.

>>135653493
This is fake right?

>>135654284

>>135654340

>>135649401
>Shadow dragon SS4 Broly is a thing
>still less retarded than golden lol freeza

>>135654478
Shit taste and GTfags really do go hand in hand.

>>135650361
based Turles is underrated af

>>135648133
1) His final form is 240x stronger than his base form, and his golden forms boosts it even more. Even becoming a bit stronger gets him a huge leap;
2) We don't know how these transformations work, it could follow some formula that makes him exponentially stronger;
3) Even with normal training, it seems the higher is your ki, the easier it becomes to enhance it. At least for some races, like Saiyans and Frieza.

We have never had any details on how these trasformations boosts one's ki nor had any detailed explanation of how training raises your max ki, so Toriyama is basically free to do whatever he wants with power levels. He could say Frieza's transformations makes him exponentially stronger, so even small increase in his base form would get him a enormous boosts.

>>135654521
At least GT had some effort put into it, unlike Super
>muh blue hairs

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>>135655052
No it didn't.

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>>135648499
>At least GT had some effort put into it
top kek
>Shit taste and GTfags really do go hand in hand.

>>135649301
>actual retard

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>>135655245
Knowing is half the battle anon. Try working on it.

>>135652406
Every team needs a jobber.

It would actually be rude of Toei to include Gohan again just to have him be beaten up again, so now Piccolo is going to be taking one for the team.

>>135655129
Since when did Buu have a sex drive?

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>>135655437
Buu's sex drive is so great he eventually spawns an entire race of his kind after making a literal waifu for himself, after reading some porn.

>>135649709
>Those three at the bottom

Fuck, how do you even move with all that shit?

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>>135649401
>tfw Dimps will keep on making this fanfic card game and will never make Burst Limit 2 or Budokai 4

>>135649723
Are you dumb? You saw Freiza's dad during android saga.

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>>135656092
They made Xenoverse. You'll get all you want from your Dragon Ball games from its inevitable sequel.

Besides they already made Budokai 4. It was called Infinite World.

>>135649723
>This isn't a rehash of Freiza, is the idea. Goku will be "Oh man, this guy looks like Freiza" at first, but it'll turn out that this guy is like that universes Goku or something.

I actually wouldn't mind something like this, where it turns out that the "food chain" has changed, where the pink namekian thing turns out to be the saviour of the frost demons from the tyrannical rule of a single saiyan or something like that

>>135656224
>You'll get all you want from your Dragon Ball games from its inevitable sequel.
Except a good fighting game.

>>135656248
Then play Infinite World again, nigga.

>>135653785
The fuck's happening?

>>135647770
reminder that toriyama had to reread his own story and even forgot what color 18s hair was

>expecting a consistent story

>>135647949
No, that's the whole point. Goku even remarks later that he's got the trump card. Frieza can't sense his God ki hence believes he's much stronger.

>>135658350
>Dragon Ball
>Being consistent ever

Nice try anon

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I want to cum inside Vados

>Still watching Dragon Ball

Fucking retards

>>135658762
Still watching anime

>>135647770
>But you can't sense energy, you moron.

Why not? He had 4 months of training, Vegeta learned this same ability in less time.

The problematic thing here is the "god ki", as a non-god, Frieza can't sense that, but maybe he was sensing Goku's normal ki, this also could explain why he thought he was "much stronger".

>>135652709
>Age 805
That not only takes place after the ending of Z with Uub, but I'm pretty sure that takes place long after the slot of time allocated by GT (not that it's canon anymore) too. Doubtful it will get covered.

>>135658724

>oh I haven't seen a penis in millenia
>I'm sure they used to be bigger

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>>135659143

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>>135659143
How can a penis even compete?

>>135659217
And her staff even has a pocket space capable of storing infinite dicks and sex toys.

>>135658724
Either it's bad to mediocre for her, or it's great and she loses control.

You die in the latter case.

>>135653309
Dragon Ball doesn't have a canon.

>>135650593
Why didn't they go Neanderthal for SS3?

>>135658350
>reminder that toriyama had to reread his own story and even forgot what color 18s hair was
But it's in black and white

>>135648861
It seems like it is something they can just normally figure out once they know it is possible.

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>>135659969
But they do

>>135659143
Well great, I read that in Whis's english voice

>>135648617
>divine energy
What kinda retarded shit is this? Is it from GT?

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>>135650292
>Looks exactly like Goku

Ariyama did it again

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I haven't watched the latest episode, did pic related happen already?

>>135660508
But Toriyama has nothing to do with heroes

>>135660508
Holy shit, a lot of mangaka suffer from sameface but Toriyama takes it to a whole new level.

>>135655110
>cutting Vegeta's hair
>Goten, Gohan and Vegeta look the same when they're super saiyans

B R A V O

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you know, I would love it if Goku actually told Chichi once she was out of line.
Like in the movie, where she is lying. but cannon.

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Pikon from the other world tournament arc casually defeated the likes of Perfect Cell, Frieza and King Cold at the same time. Pikon later fought Olibu in the tournament and while he won, Pikon still had to put more effort in then he did against the above. Olibu even got some shots in.

Here during the Buu Saga, Yamcha can be seen beating Olibu and his friend with ease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRErOvknMVg

Meanwhile, Gohan can barely hold the basic SSJ form.

Finally, Super has been referencing Z Filler. So that's that! Yamcha definitely has this, that Wolf Fang Fist looking extra fine.

>>135651125

Its the reverse universe. I would be extremely surprised if he wasn't a good guy.

>>135647770
He sense his own energy you fucking illiterate.

>>135648499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBoIG_oLJTU
>frieza clone
they really like him do they. also whats that pink goblin beside buu?

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>>135658350
Toriyama doesn't care about color.

>>135647770
>Toie
>fucking up anything
Same old toie.

>>135647770
Anyone that visits Earth picks up how to do it eventually.
Frieda visited Earth before he was killed.

>>135650793
and...? c'mon anon, I know there wasn't actually a punchline, but I still wanna hear one

>>135650950
WAKE ME UP

>>135648081
Kamisama specifically said he isn't a god like one should be, he is just a guardian posing as one

>>135663007
How old is the tournament announcer by now anyway? Dude looks like hes seen more shit than we know about.

>>135658724
>Vados

What drink is that?

>>135664820
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvados

>>135653112
The moment she cut her hair, she was doomed.

>>135664997
Wow. Specific and obscure much? We went from beer and whisky to THIS?

>>135665284
I don't think Calvados is not that obscure. Detective Conan and Yakitate Japan reference it.

>>135656196
I said Goku hasn't ever seen another Freiza-species before

>>135655110
epitome of cancer actually

How long until LSSG Broly? That would be the shit since he would look slightly different than a regular SSG.

>>135653165
No chance in hell probably, Vegito was broken enough to make up powers on the spot while in base SSJ. I suppose SSJ3 Vegito would be more than a bit above rage Vegeta from BoG. And that's definitely enough to beat Frieza non-Golden forms.

>>135649181
Piccolo seems to know techniques of concentrating and manipulating Ki better than most, as he raised his powerlevel 10x before Buu saga's tournament by meditating. I think Whis would have much less problems with training Piccolo than anybody else.

>>135648499
Winnie the Pooh?

>>135666628
>broken enough to make up powers on the spot while in base SSJ
Gotenks did the same

>>135652709
>and Krillin and Tien's revived Turtle and Crane schools in Age 821

I hope Yamcha is at least doing something.

>>135652999
Why do you think Vegeta killed them?

>>135647949
>God ki
not canon

> I learned my lesson, so I'll start with my final form right away

Oh good, they've stopped doing this trope.

> halfway through battle, turns into persian-frieza

GOD DAMN IT

>>135648133
Super Saiyan God - Super Saiyan gets killed by laser pointer.

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>>135655381
>tfw Piccolo and Milk Duds actually win their fights, and Buu and Vegeta get to job instead

>>135668541
Not Vegeta again god donaught :^(

>>135665350
Calvados died because of that bitch of Vermouth

>>135662300
Pikkon, learning from this, trains so hard he becomes strong enough to fight evenly with Super Saiyan 4 Broly.

>>135668718
He's probably gonna fight the tiny Saiyan, it's only natural for him to job in his fight here.

>>135668718
>>135668541
>we will never see Goku actually job

I know he always gets his ass kicked in the beginning but then he's always the one to get back up again and finish the fight for good. Even in the last movie when Vegeta had the fight wrapped up for good. God Dragonball is such bullshit, why do I keep raising my hopes for it?

>>135666628
Final Form Frieza is waaaaay above rage Vegeta. He can tangle with post-God Goku. Even SSJ4 Vegito wouldn't stand a chance.

>>135668821
I hope not, it could the next Pikkon vs. Olibu, quite even with justified outcome of the protagonist/protag's ultimate rival.

>>135669095
Well if this is true, though I don't think post-god base Goku (who, let me remind you, had Frieza beat at every moment) has anymore of a shot at Beerus than SSJ3. And rage Vegeta was above that. Besides, according to everything we saw, Vegito was impossibly strong even for Potara fusion.

>>135669283
>Potara fusion
The only other Potara fusion we've seen is Kibito Kai. We don't really have a basis for comparison.

>>135663007
How is tournament guy still alive?

>>135668825
Remember the Android Saga?

>>135669283
>has anymore of a shot at Beerus than SSJ3
Of course he does. SSJ3 Goku got his ass beat by a Beerus who was only at 10% max. God Goku fought Beerus at 70%, Vegeta being momentarily stronger thn SSJ3 is a moot point now because the SSJ form is to the God form what Kaioken is to the SSJ form.

>>135655381
Am I the only one that is suspicious of Piccolo fighting against a Frieza like character. In the anime Piccolo was killed by Frieza to 'have Gohan a development', while in the manga no. The manga followed the movies' canon.

>>135669095
SSBlue is not as strong as SSG. Also Frieza can't tangle with Goku, Goku is just feigning, he still hasn't used his true strength, he says so.

>>135669283
Toriyama said Vegetto isn't the strongest result of Potara fusion, that would be Goku+Gohan.

>>135669578
>Goku+Gohan.

Maybe for a short moment but not now anymore for sure. Would be better off fusing with Yamcha.

>>135669578
Prefacing your posts with "Toriyama said" doesn't make them true

>>135652697

>Girl
>Dad gone all the time training
>Raised by mom

More like you shouldn't be surprised that 18 is a better mom than one named after underwear.

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>>135669575
>SSBlue is not as strong as SSG

>>135669631
I doubt Bulma raised Bra any either. She was probably raised by a robotic maid or something.

>>135655018
>final form is 240x stronger

[citation fucking needed]

>>135669632
This stupid shit again. SSBlue is half SSJ half SSG (half normal ki half God ki), it's weaker than SSG.

>>135669816
It's SSG with the SSJ ability combined with it, you absolute tool.

>>135659629
>die from sex with a sexy blue entity that is above Gods

sounds like time for heaven

Dragon Ball went to the dogs midway through Goku and Frieza's fight on Namek.

lol, it's been over 20 years and it still hasn't entered your thick skulls.

>>135669852
I'm pretty sure there was an interview with Toriyama where he said he picked the color blue for the new form because it looked weaker.

>>135669816
Wow. Stop eating paint chips and the symptoms of your retardation should subside.

>>135669608
Does Yamcha has the greatest potential Toriyama has been saying over and over, autismo? No? Then stop replying with autism tier answers.
>>135669578
Goku' autism for battles with Gohan's potential =/= Not strongh.
Ok.

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>>135669922
Super Saiyan Trip Dubs Super Saiyan.

>>135669980
SHOO SHOO GOHANFAG

Gohan's fucking useless, if he fused with Goku he'd just bring Goku down.

>>135669916
And how does saying something looks weaker equate to it actually being weaker? This is fucking Akira Toriyama. One of his most consistent tropes is to make things look weak and then reveal they're actually strong as fuck. It happened with Vegeta when he stood next to Nappa, it happened with Frieza's final form on Namek, and it's even happening right now with that nipple guy.

Why did I replied to myself?
>>135669629
Well, second part of this post is your answer.
>>135669980