Meme tier arguments aside, why there are people who genuinelly think Evangelion is a bad series? I can understand why some people can't enjoy it: some aren't just clever enough, but find it bad is retarded.
I think that the people that argue that it is bad usually missed out on a lot of the story. From an objective standpoint there's not really anything significantly wrong with this series, and this is coming from someone who rarely enjoys mecha as much as any other given genre. Also
Asuka a cute
Its not bad by any means, but I found the psychological dribble really dull and uninteresting.
However, I really enjoyed the mecha shit in it. The designs were sleek, the AT fields were interesting, and the sense of weight they had was awesome.
If it was just another MotW show, it could have been one of my favorites.
Symbolism for the sake of symbolism
It comes off as much deeper than what it is (the fanbase aside it still presents itself that way)
Incredibly uninteresting characters
Repeating the same mini-arc of Shinji not being a shit over and over again
An ending that is just a clusterfuck of imagery with no real coherence
As someone who didn't enjoy it the first time I watched it, I'd say it was because I wasn't paying attention to the character's emotions as a part of the story and I was just waiting for cool stuff to happen. Then that fucking 2 episode ending happened and just left me weirded out.
The second time after having watched at least 30 different anime series I was more ready, everything about it was beautiful.
I didn't really care for it at all. I finished just because it's something that kind of made anime what it is today, and I know it's one of the first big shows that popularized the idea of a waifu with Asuka and Rei, and there's a lot from it that's referenced in anime that comes later. After spending years hearing about how it was so great, I was incredibly disappointed, and I'm probably a lot harder on it than I should be.
That said, I have a co-worker who is legit one of those guys. "Once you watch Eva, nothing else even compares, man. Almost no point in watching any other anime" fucking verbatum
I too watched the series after having heard for a long time that it was magnificent beyond compare, and therefore I tried to make myself cognizant that I shouldn't hold it too stringently to the standards of others. However I cannot stand people who say that exact line "[...] almost no point in watching any other anime." I will never understand that. I don't know if this is just me but when I see a fantastic anime it makes me want to keep watching more to find others that I will enjoy just as much if not more. Is your co-worker also one of those people that refuses to watch anything made after 1999? Because I've found that those two categories typically go hand in hand.
Using uninteresting and cliche infodumps to explain the mechanics of the Evas and other lore, using edgy imagery to reveal a character's oh so dark past, the reveal of Asuka seeing her mother commit suicide was just godawful and generic, I remember bursting out laughing at how ridiculous it was.
A lot of scenes were try hard in getting you to sympathize with the characters, but there were also some subtle moments that were good.
It was a mixed bag really, but overall the execution was the biggest flaw I would say.
>a lot of scenes were try hard in getting you to sympathize with the characters
That's an interesting prerogative--it never came across that way to me. I viewed it from more of an observational standpoint in that each character's emotions and behaviors were being explained.
>Using uninteresting and cliche infodumps to explain the mechanics of the Evas and other lore
You are reffering to what? The two recap episodes? Because Eva mechanics are never explained past "it just werks"
>using edgy imagery to reveal a character's oh so dark past, the reveal of Asuka seeing her mother commit suicide was just godawful and generic
Except that actually happened, her walking in on her dead mother. It's not imagery it's the events that unfolded
>I remember bursting out laughing at how ridiculous it was
Don't cut yourself on all that edge bro
Because it's fundamentally silly, mostly.
>he pilots giant robots
>but get this
>he's also still in high school
>and his dad is in charge of the giant robot program
>starring adam sandler
Same. I think it's the characters and the way they interact with each other, it seems "off" in a way that doesn't pull me in.
And a lot of the material is sorta boring, I would've cut a lot of it if it were up to me.
But I can't deny that it's a well thought-out show.
I think that the pleading for sympathy argument was valid, although I don't personally see how the suicide of Asuka's mother was edgy--it would have been edgy if Asuka responded by painting her Eva black.
>The Asuka scene just came off edgy to me
It's a shocking scene and it's supposed to be shocking because this event fucked her up for life. You can't play down the scene because it would emphasise how important this event was.
Neither the story of the characters were enjoyable enough to keep me watching. If the series relies on me liking the subgenre to be watchable, that's just not good enough.
If you want to be good, you have to be good despite all the tropes and cliches, and not rely on them to paper over weak fundamentals. There is plenty of anime I like that manages this.
There are better ways to execute such a scene.
Having Asuka run screaming mom and how she doesn't need dad or anything now that she can pilot Eva and be worth something, and then immediately after open the door and see her mom hung herself, I don't know, it just came across as something I'd see in some edgy middleschool kid's fanfic.
Tasteless would be the best word to describe it, I guess. I laughed because there was no tact in it, it was so generic and blunt. I don't see how someone could be shocked by something so juvenile.
It's not a bad anime. Anyone that says so has some kind of problem.
I think the main issue is that in the years since we've been bombarded by psychological thrillers and "wow so deep" kind of stuff (and not just in anime) that it has lost value.
>not rely on them to paper over weak fundamentals.
You haven't watched the show did you.
Because saying Eva relies on cliche is some of the dumbest shit I have ever read
The main character is not easy to relate to, for me at least. He is a sniveling, pathetic pussy. But I guess since a lot of you beta fags in /a/ are similar to Shinji, you can relate to him, and enjoy the show.
Furth. Watches Macross in full, loved it in every way. Watched a Gundam series, it was good, but I didn't finish it. Watched Gargantia, and I relly loved that one too. And now this.
>There are better ways to execute such a scene.
Like what? Just seeing her body in the morgue with narration that she killed herself?
It simply wouldn't hold the same impact, it needs to be shocking because this event changed Asuka's life permanently
I hoped they were cliches, because at least then there would be an excuse. So you're saying it's just generally nonsensical?
Not all aspects of it. The concept is good, but the execution is nonsense. So there's this kid, right, and there's only two or three like him, and they are the only ones that can drive huge mecha that are the only way to stop giant alien biomecha... Yet in the third episode, he just quits the program. Just like that. If they need you to save the world, they won't let you just walk off, I'd think. And more things like that.
It's all just so they can have a character high-school loners can identity with still be "realistically" piloting a giant mecha. Cut me a fucking break.
>Neither the story of the characters were enjoyable enough to keep me watching.
>story of the characters
That sounds wrong, it's not the story but their personalities in context to the story that's supposed to be interesting. If you don't like NGE because you think it's silly you focus on the wrong thing. Shinji getting in the fucking robot isn't the conflict that's supposed to be interesting (we'll it is superficially I guess), it's his internal struggle.
>you have to be good despite all the tropes and cliches
>implying NGE relies on cliches
For one, make sure Asuka's voice actor doesn't have such overdramatized acting like she's in some fucking soap opera.
I understand it's supposed to be shocking, but the best scenes in the series were always the ones you least expected (like Eva 01 going beserk and eating that angel like a human) and the most subtle ones (Shinji always opening and closing his hand told a lot about his character)
Scenes like this that were so blunt had no creativity to them. They were expected and they're cliche.
Explaining away a character's depth and complexity by giving her a backstory of seeing her mom kill herself is expected. It's unoriginal and edgy.
Therefore, it struck a laugh out of me.
I suppose I can come to appreciate the dissatisfaction with the series' realism, or lack-thereof, but if one assumes this mindset then I would imagine it would be quite difficult for one to be able to enjoy many different genres of anime.
>So you're saying it's just generally nonsensical?
Actually it's all explained, in detail
>If they need you to save the world, they won't let you just walk off, I'd think
1.He is a stop-gap measure
2.They don't let him just walk off NERV is always tailing him, it's revealed in the same episode
Go watch the fucking show and stop embarrassing yourself
How does this make it bad? Just means you didn't like them, not that they were bad characters.
>symbolism for the sake of symbolism
Come again? Symbolism for the sake of symbolism as in the religious shenanigans? That's got nothing to do with the actual story but just something Anno thought would look and sound cool. The symbolism with actual weight was actually very well done.
>Not all aspects of it. The concept is good, but the execution is nonsense. So there's this kid, right, and there's only two or three like him, and they are the only ones that can drive huge mecha that are the only way to stop giant alien biomecha... Yet in the third episode, he just quits the program. Just like that. If they need you to save the world, they won't let you just walk off, I'd think. And more things like that.
Wow is this how autists think about fiction? Just analyzing everything literally while being completely blind to the show's actual intent? Damn.
>Shinji getting in the fucking robot isn't the conflict that's supposed to be interesting
Then don't make it a giant robot series, maybe? Just do another high school series. Or make him an actual child soldier or something, if it needs to be really edgy.
It's stupid and crazy to let him go, Ritsuko's brainwashing suggestion is totally reasonable for the stakes, but that is his dad in charge. And it's thematically important that Shinji isn't actually forced, choices he makes unconsciously come up when the show goes into his head.
>just go with another high school series
But that's one of Eva's greatest strengths, that it /isn't/ just another high school series, it incorporates internal conflict into mecha.
>Or make him an actual child soldier or something
He is one, your squirl-like attention span just prevented you from actually watching the show and finding it out
His phone is tapped
He is under NERV surveliance 24/7
He has a handler
The school is a NERV front
The only reason why they don't torture him in order to get him to pilot is because of the mechanics of Eva piloting
This is one complaint about Eva that I agree with (granted it's not really a complaint with the anime, it's a complaint with the fan base). I think that Eva is overrated, as in I have seen tons of better anime (objectively and subjectively), but still very good.
It's from a different culture, that makes such things stand out harsher. I'm a normie, I expect more from anime than I do from art that has memes and cultural cues I fully understand. It has to be so good I no longer mind all the Japanese-ness, I guess.
Planetes did that well, for example.
I'll probably watch it in full at some point, but it's not in my top shelf.
That's what this thread was all about, how this was supposed to be a god-tier thing. I just don't think it is, will still enjoy it some.
Still, it was generic and inferior compared to other similar scenes in the show.
Kid Misato seeing her father save her and give her the cross, Kid Shinji being abandoned by Gendo, were both very very good scenes.
Asuka's just doesn't compare, it seems try hard.
Because if you take away the high stakes and pressure it will seem even more pretentious.
NGE and it's fucked up characters work because of the extrem situation they are in. Take away the Mecha element and the fight for humanities survival and it will be like SAO, a bunch of retards taking unimportant stuff far to serious.
Also the fights provide action making it more entertaining and less dry.
True but that doesn't mean NGE doesn't deserve it's praise.
TTGL, best super robot show.
Ni, I mean, have an actual current day type child soldier. Set it in a fictional Japan-cum-Korea in some alternate timeline or something.
Though I suppose real war like that is still a bit traumatic for the Japanese.
>Eva relies on cliche
I love the show, but it actually does a tad. It subverts cliches, but it dabbles in them just as much. Take an objective look at Asuka's character for one thing.
>it incorporates internal conflict into mecha.
Are you joking?
it's boring as fuck
I remember being 14 episodes in and it was still
>new angel comes
> Shinji! We need your help!
> Shinji is a pussy, and the other two girls are just tropes
>use some science/military plan that Misato comes up with to defeat angel
>some blaringly empty psychological drivel at the end of the episode
It did that for 14 fucking episodes without any other developments. You learned that Misato's dad died during the first big even thing. That's it. I got bored and gave up on the whole thing.
>It would be odd if in what, 20 years, no-one could do it better.
Nobody did it better then animation industry is still under the "curse of Evangelion"
Bunch of people in this thread don't seem to grasp what a cultural phenomenon Evangelion was in Japan
What about the characters phychology, the music or the designs?
Shinji becoming more confident and expressive (he stops complaining after episode 6 after interaction with Rei and doesn't really do it once until ten episodes later), then regressing to piloting Eva for his father's approval, Misato becoming more disillusioned with NERV and less complacent, fleshing out Ritsuko's character, Rei's character development, introduction of Asuka that changes the tone of the series, and so on.
You're an idiot.
If it's not interesting after 14 episodes, I'm not gonna watch the other 12 or whatever. At that point you're disqualified.
Shinji: annoying as fuck to watch hes a giant pussy and everyone here has already talked about his flaws
Rei and Asuka: Waifu flavors (one is a bitch who is loud and obnoxious, and one is a bitch who is unfeeling). Neither are likeable
Scientist chick: Cunt to everyone
Misato's ex: Kind of a weirdo but whatever
Misato: Only good character
Shinjis dad: walking stereotype of a dickhead dad that for some reason Rei likes but they never touched on in 14 EPISODES
Music: Opening is good, nothing else was that stand=out
The psychology: Makes no sense, as does most of japanese translated stuff that they try to play off as deep. All I ever saw was a bunch of visuals.
The designs: EVAs look sweet, other than that not much is remarkable.
Not enough to make me finish it
Yeah. Outside of design, the characters aren't very interesting. Shinji is extremely unlikeable, and hurts my interest in the series when the protagonist is annoying and a genuinely bad character. There are too many plot holes too, which might not be a big deal to some but it is to me.
>they never touched on in 14 EPISODES
Episode 5. They even repeat a monologue at the end in case there was idiots watching.
One of the worst parts of the series. Eva is rarely funny and Pen Pen is never funny.
Eva is a litmus test
If you don't like it you shouldn't bother watching anime at all.
I know I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this but Eva really wasn't as good as OP. It's basically just super pretentious and relies too much on pointless symbolism to carry it's nonexistent story. I hear a lot of people talk endlessly about some deep lore that exists in the Eva universe but I saw none of that while watching.
Meanwhile a completely unassuming show like One Piece delivers on every front where Evangelion fails, despite of or maybe even due to its accessibility. If anything, One Piece is a litmus test for anime as a whole while Evangelion is more like an age test. It'll appeal to a very specific, sci-fi demographic of anime fan that simply doesn't exist anymore while One Piece is generally the better anime and has a very wide appeal.
she slaps Shinji when shinji says hes a shit person, and then she remembered how he opened the hatch to save her
>this passes for development
>this passes for a story
This is shit. The whole series is shit.
>Shinji is extremely unlikeable, and hurts my interest in the series when the protagonist is annoying and a genuinely bad character.
This post was so pleb it hurts,
>There are too many plot holes too
Name two. That's probably easy since there are so many.
>It'll appeal to a very specific, sci-fi demographic of anime fan that simply doesn't exist anymore
Are you high or something?
Good to hear.
Imo it's also really important not to go into NGE expecting the best anime evaaar everyone and their mom has been taking about.
You just don't get it.
Ok, memes aside.
You seem to misunderstand what NGE is about. In the first place it's a drama, the action is not supposed to be the focuse, it's there to provide superficial entertainment and conflict.
Shinji is weak, but that doesn't make him a bad character. NGE is a coming of age story and it's about Shinji being confronted with a harsh reality. What do you understand about him?
Rei and Asuka are not just waifu bait. The anime that came after NGE took and simplified them to stereotypes.
Scientist chick is a fucking side character and she's not a cunt she's doing her job in case you didn't understand that. She gets more focus later on.
How is Gendo a stereotype? Aside from the, "father of mc is important military guy" I don't see it. 14 episodes, so what, that's half the anime of course there's some stuff left open.
Your citisicm is pretty stupid and superficial.
At least finish it. You seem like the kind of person who's mad he didn't get the masterpiece everyone promised him at the start.
>implying Pen² wasn't the best character
PenPen wasn't supposed to be funny.
It's no where near as deep or even as serious as it presents itself. And both the show ending and EOE are just atrociously put together. Shock imagery for the sake of shock imagery, no rhyme or reason for any of it and they intentionally try to confuse viewers with their hour long speeches about human nature.
I don't care that it wasn't a masterpiece
I cared that it was 14 episodes of boringness
I kept thinking, oh, maybe I'll learn more about the Angels
Oh, maybe one of the characters will change and be interesting
Oh maybe there will be a real giant robot fight
but more than halfway into the series and there are only faint glimmers. sorry I don't have time to waste I'll watch something that starts sooner and easier
The way One Piece is written is meant to invite new fans of all ages. You can start reading it at any point and it is instantly a satisfying experience, then you can go back to the beginning when it's convenient to further enrich the story and your appreciation for the characters' journey. It's only completionist obsessed 'nerds' that feel 'intimidated'.
The problem is that your experience of the anime fandom is probably extremely insular. Once you leave the more toxic, circle jerking communities you will see just how insignificant and dated the sci-fi anime fandom has become.
While I hesitate to call my opinion a fact, as all opinions regardless of how any other individuals feel indeed have a great deal of merit, I'm not seeing anything factual wrong with what I'm saying. One Piece is the future of anime while the neo-otaku wave of Evangelion fans is the past, and that's GOOD thing.
Eva has a bunch of legitimate flaws like bludgeoning you over the head with a point when it's already clear (it's remarkably subtle at times despite that), but people weaned on anime don't see them as such since they watch absolute schlock, turning to alleged plot holes, "Shinji's a pussy" or lack of progression, and just don't pay attention enough to gleam character development that's made apparent through dialogue. Eva is likely the best TV anime ever.
Nonsense. Anyone caught up in the "lore" of NGE is an idiot.
>she remembered how he opened the hatch to save her
It wasn't forgotten, you simpleton.
She remembers Gendo saving her because it's similar to Shinji's worry. Despite being friendly with Gendo, Rei doesn't entirely understand her own feelings and that's why she didn't know what to do in the situation. When Shinji suggests smiling, she recalls Gendo saving her and does so. She begins to question her attachment to Gendo later on and her role as an EVA pilot. We're made of her relationship with Gendo, her feelings about piloting EVA (which influences Shinji and helps him "man up"), seemingly lack of humanity and lack of fear of death. These are things we had no clue about before episode 5.
>Shock imagery for the sake of shock imagery, no rhyme or reason for any of it and they intentionally try to confuse viewers with their hour long speeches about human nature.
Bullshit. If Eva confused you, consider finishing high school level.
>The problem is that your experience of the anime fandom is probably extremely insular.
No your problem is that you are some facebook retard that doesn't know Sunrise is arguably the biggest, certainly most profitable studio in the industry and it lives off mecha anime
>Nonsense. Anyone caught up in the "lore" of NGE is an idiot.
I hesitate to put those kinds of labels on anyone. Calling someone an idiot is an easy way to dismiss what they are saying without due consideration.
Anime in general is not a big profit industry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sunrise does well because their shows are primarily meant to advertise their toys, no? Pokemon has a very similar business model. I'm not sure it's correct to use a show's profit margins as an indication of its appeal, especially when it aims for such a narrow and fanatical base of viewers.
NGE is like Dark Souls.
It doesn's directly tell you the story, you have to play attention and think about it yourself.
It's like poetry. At first you don't understand why Shinji understand why Shinji sees a crazy Rei when he's inside of Unit 00 but when you finish EoE and learn that there are souls inside the Evas and that Rei is a clone and has an artificial soul it makes sense and is intelectually more challenging then One Piece could ever be.
Honestly, just finish the damn thing.
You say you want to learn more and get answers but drop it after 14 episodes, how stupid is that.
Of course they aren't going to answer it early on. And they won't answer in directly, but just dropping it is the opposite of what you want.
Any form of criticism you have against Eva is invalid by the fact that you haven't finished it.
And if you have finished NGE and watched End of Evangelion you can come back to /a/.
>Anime in general is not a big profit industry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sunrise does well because their shows are primarily meant to advertise their toys, no
No, the bulk of gunpla sales goes to Bandai
Sunrise lives off it's BD sales
Let me ask you this. How many mecha shows do you generally see in any given season?
Oh now tell me how many "pirate" shows you have seen in the past 10 years
These are probably the worst descriptions of their characterization I've ever seen. It's like you haven't even watched it and you're describing them based on what you've learned from /a/; especially considering you describe Asuka and Rei as "waifu flavor".
This is proof that the worst kind of person that hates Eva is the kind that barely pays attention to it, drops it halfway and then shitposts on /a/ pretending to understand its flaws. At least the people who actually finished it and disliked it TRY to fucking understand what was happening and can actually make some valid points about why they didn't like it and its characters.
Considering that you're a complete fucking idiot, I'm not even going to bother say you should finished watching. You're going to have this shitty mindset the entire time and completely misinterpret the meaning of every single character with some meaningless, superficial description anyway.
Not him but the German girl (and pilot of unit 2) is much older than 14, even though the pilots supposedly were required to be 14 (is said so in the 1st episode), she has graduated high-school and her government handler seems to have no issues about her sexually coming onto him (showing that she is much older than 14). Also, in her flashbacks to when her mother has gone insane, both her mother and herself are speaking Japanese even though she is living in Germany.
>NGE is like Dark Souls.
>It doesn's directly tell you the story, you have to play attention and think about it yourself.
Another reason why it acts as a very poor litmus test for anime as a whole. It's needlessly obtuse with very little pay off. It's like Star Trek fans memorizing the schematics for The Starship Enterprise then figuring out the maximum speed of a turbolift. I imagine doing that would be very hard, maybe even an intellectual challenge, but it should be completely necessary for appreciating the show.
The sales of physical media was really just a tiny blip in the history entertainment media. We are very quickly leaving that kind of niche behind, and as anime media modernizes it will become irrelevant. Streaming media with advertisement and merchandise was the past and it is quickly becoming the present.
>not watching NGE till the end
>missing the most important part of the whole series
>Not him but the German girl (and pilot of unit 2) is much older than 14
No she isn't, you are literally making up some batshit conjecture although the series explicitly debunks you
You know she's a a genius, right?
> both her mother and herself are speaking Japanese even though she is living in Germany.
And there are a ton of series that take place outside of Japan having different people speak Japanese. This sounds like bait at this point.
>Bla bla bla I was wrong and I'm a retard but sometime in the future One Piece will be more popular and mecha will die out
>It's needlessly obtuse
If you're a moron, yes. Not really a fault of the show. If anything, Eva is unsubtle on many, many occasions and to the detriment of the show. Nowhere near as bad as the majority of anime, though.
One Piece is already more popular, I think it's the most selling franchise in the history of anime. I'm not sure why you are attacking me and not my ideas, that kind of discussion really isn't constructive at all.
How is it not needlessly obtuse? They needed to make an entire movie just to tie up some loose plot ends.
I attempted to watch, but it was very awful to me. The OVERLY hard attempt at being artistic/symbolic by using mainstream biblical elements was very bland to me. Main character is an insufferable cry baby, his superior was a very shallow character.
I just couldn't go on, I literally couldn't.
>I'm not sure why you are attacking me and not my ideas, that kind of discussion really isn't constructive at all.
Because you are using wild conjecture and pulling shit out of your ass, both of which are not an argument.
One Piece is selling, that is true. But it's a oddball and not the norm. Again simply go through the past few season then count the amount of mecha anime being produced versus the amount of "pirate" anime being produced.
Haven't watched NGE in a while but holy shit you are right, Yui literally appears in front of Shinji in episode 16. Stuff like pic related is why NGE is amazing.
Asuka is actually 13 when she first appears.
She graduated high-school because she's extremly good at school. In the Magma Diver episode she tells Shinji about thermal expansion and shit. Her grades suck when she's in japan because of muh stupid Kanjis though.
Kaiji is just that cool.
You can appreciate NGE without overanalyzing it though. It's a fight for the survival of mankind, kids in japan love it. Have you seen those videos where Anno teaches children about animation and they all love NGE?
And art being challenging isn't a bad thing. Maybe you just view anime as entertainment and use it as escapism but then you missed the point of NGE. It's both a mature and deep (feels like a buzzword, fuck you guys) story but also a cool action robot show.
They didn't need to do shit, actually. This has no relation to the series being obtuse, too.
Both Shinji and Misato are nearly 3-dimensional characters by the end of the first episode.
They made the movie because they ran out of money and couldn't bring the original vision of the finale to life with the resources they had as they were finishing the series. So the compromised and decided to close the characters and not really worry too much about the events.
>must spend 13 or so hours to watch the show when the first 8 didn't appeal to me
Is your time that unimportant? Usually with good anime its apparent by episode 3 or 4 why I would like it
I hate this mentality of "Oh it GETS GOOD LATER JUST FINISH IT". That's a lot of time for just te possibility of reward. Good shows/games know how to capture people early. The hallmark of bad writing is having bad openings
I'm a believer and that's most of the part why I couldn't stand Evangelion. The whole concept of taking biblical names and themes and just randomly inserting them everywhere in an attempt to be artistic has been done to death. None of the correlations worked, none of them were fun or interesting.
>The hallmark of bad writing is having bad openings
NGE had a stellar opening
If you didn't get hooked on the mysteries presented in the first few episodes then I don't know what to tell you
The faceplate falling off Eva01 in the 2nd episode is enough for most people to become curious where the show is going
Don't get hung up over the religious imagery.
Also it's a drama Shinji has to be weak.
There is also symbolism beyond the bible references, like glasses.
And it's quiet subtle at times.
Don't be such a fag you have watched anime that's much worse.
I'll probably watch it again sonetimes because the fanboys are so militant about it. The first time I was really fucking bored, I got the basics of what was goung on but I felt no reason to give a fuck.
It would be helpful if you stopped trying to classify One Piece as a 'pirate' show like 'pirate' is a genre and not a setting. One Piece is better categorized as a shonen, or fight manga, or adventure story. It's also amusing how you are trying to argue that One Piece isn't one of the biggest anime of all time? It certainly eclipses Evangelion at this point.
Without any extended analysis Evangelion just falls on its face. As a monster of the week robot show it's boring and the fights feel low budget at best. The only reason why it gets any attention is that people insist it's somehow a deep or psychological show, which it can be if you as a viewer fill in all the gaping holes the creators (either intentionally or unintentionally) left out. Either way it is not the sort of thing a good, let alone competent show, would do.
Are you really an Eva fan or are you just ignorant to the history of the show?
Don't bother wasting your time. Eva is basically only worth watching so you can have more to back up your internet arguments. As a show it's really pretty mediocre and propped up by kids that watched the show as teenagers and idiots memeing about rei vs asuka.
I think this is the first time I've heard someone phrase it like this
I think NGE opens up a bit too hot. You're thrust into a very emotional situation without much contact with the main character. He breaks down weeping very quickly and I can see why someone would be put off by it. I was the first time I watched it.
That said, I've come around on it somewhat on rewatchs. There's a lot that's done really well in that episode too.
>Are you really an Eva fan or are you just ignorant to the history of the show
I just realized I was speaking to a fool. The psychology of the characters was the narrative thrust in Eva.
>people insist it's somehow a deep or psychological show, which it can be if you as a viewer fill in all the gaping holes the creators (either intentionally or unintentionally) left out
You're like a caricature. There is a deliberate focus, narrative wise and atheistically.
>One Piece isn't one of the biggest anime of all time? It certainly eclipses Evangelion at this point.
Becuase it's not?
It's one of the biggest manga of all time but the anime is mostly regarded as garbage
>One Piece is better categorized as a shonen, or fight manga, or adventure story.
If you want to go down that road, the most prolific new "shonen" on the block is Toriko and that apes off DBZ, not One Piece
One Piece failed to materialize and real trend in the industry, hell Madoka or Code Geass had more of an impact. There was no renaissance of adventure anime, nor do any signs point to there being one.
I think by calling Eva "generic" you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the body of anime as a whole, and looking backwards from today at it since anything that wasn't trying to be generic just copied Eva for the last 20 years. OR you're one of these modern educations fuckwits who grossly over exaggerates everything you say to sound more serious or impactful.
It certainly wasn't original, even compared to just Anno's other works, but calling Eva "generic" is just plain stupid.
I don't like making assumptions about people but maybe you've been watching too much bad anime? Having very basic character interactions is just something fundamental to any narrative, it doesn't somehow make the shows focus psychological.
Go read any Dostoevsky novel, if might blow your mind. I bet he could convince you he was a psychologist with all the character interaction he writes.
Toriko has never and will never reach the heights of One Piece which has even surpassed DBZ, at least in the Japanese market. Globally who knows, I hear South Americans are still pretty crazy about DBZ.
Madok and Code Geass are extremely niche otaku shows, moreso even than Evangelion, to even make the comparison just shows your limited perspective. It's borderline delusional.
>How come if Asuka graduated from college, she still has to go to this school in Japan?
1. Different curriculum
2. The school is a controlled environment to monitor the pilots
Are you thinking up these questions as you read the plot-synopsis for the show of a wiki?
>As a monster of the week robot show it's boring and the fights feel low budget at best.
You are literally retarded.
The animation is fine and in some point, especially in the fights really good.
The angels are quite memorable and the desings of the Evas are amazing.
People always say Eva was shit visuel wise, just because they used some still shots. But even those were well placed and made the scenes more meaningful.
End of Evangelion is fucking amazing visually.
I liked it, character development could've been better. Would've loved to see some stronger feelings develop between shitji and Asuka. Also the second half of the tv series is much more interesting because it doesn't only include them fighting angels which there should've been less of imo.
>Go read any Dostoevsky novel, if might blow your mind.
Go fuck yourself.
>it doesn't somehow make the shows focus psychological.
Except it is. You can't offer even offer an actual point.
>shows your limited perspective. It's borderline delusional.
Nah it just shows you think your facebook feed is indicative of where the industry is going
Post Madoka, Precure got big and even Sailormoon got a new adaptation, not to mention there was a new mini grimdark age.
Code Geass basically kicked off the UC Gundam revival (which at that point was mostly AU) and promted a bunch of copy-cats
What did One Piece lead to? Because as I said the new prominent "shonen" (that was supposed to replace Naruto) was Toriko and that apes DBZ
"Nobody is allowed to have differing opinions, everyone must like Eva." - /a/
It has some very iconic and effective cinematography but nothing that isn't simply by-the-book. The animation itself uses typical anime shortcuts that are very glaring and obvious if you watched it without subtitles. The designs are nice, I can grant you that, but that's hardly enough to support an entire show.
I see you would rather insult me than see reason or even offer your own. You strike me as exactly the kind of person that watches Evangelion while sympathizing with Shinji and blanketly claims it as the greatest anime ever without a hint of introspection, then proceeds to watch the moe anime of the season without a hint of irony.
And let me guess, you started posting on /a/ in 2007/2008? You keep using this kind of facebook finger pointing while constantly revealing the narrowness of your own perspective.
Didn't this board have "Komm, süßer Tod" playing in the background as Instrumentality crosses were flying over the place in a loop a few days ago?
/a/ is tied to NGE, you can't have one without the other
Because Asuka and Kaji belong together
Why are you so obsessed with industry, when the industry you are referring to is so small? At this point One Piece transcends industry, the power of its franchise and the quality and universality of its narrative reach far beyond anime otaku. School children, business men, and stay at home mothers alike buy, watch, and read One Piece every single week. To even think that a show like Madoka has anywhere close to that level of reach or influence is laughable. You're talking about sewage runoff causing ocean rise when entire continents of ice are dissolving. It's madness.
>the power of its franchise and the quality and universality of its narrative reach far beyond anime otaku
Then show me the power of the franchise. What did it accomplish?
Because I can show you shit like this
>without a hint of introspection
Except I've criticized Eva a number of times in this very thread. You've failed to actually offer anything in the way of an argument. Self-aggrandizing reference to Dostoevsky while displaying base knowledge of storytelling is something else entirely.
>hur dur Shinji is a pussy and everything is just pretentious and clique
Do you want those people browsing here?
Anyways, there is nothing wrong with dislinking Eva as long as you understand the show and why people like it and see the good point about it.
>but that's hardly enough to support an entire show.
That's why it has well written characters, great music that uses very well and an interesting story. There is symbolism that supports the shows themes and it's often pretty subtle even if it doesn't look that ways.
It actually makes a point and isn't just brainless entertainment.
It's also great sci-fi.
The only one butthurt is Asuka after Kaji is done with her.
We talking about getting cucked, eh Reifriend?
The only one who kills herself is Asuka the doll.
>pulling someone out of a crowd is getting cucked
Let's talk about how Asuka masturbates to Kaji breaking her ass every night like the impure slut she is.
People call Evangelion a sci-fi show for the sake of convenience but it is about as sci-fi as Star Wars. You say the characters are well written but by the standards of any other kind of fiction it's just standard fare, and I hate to keep hammering the same point over and over again but the symbolism is not only obtuse but adds nothing to the show unless you are a lore nerd.
I was talking about introspection into your own character. I'm sorry you misunderstood.
I cannot believe you can be so dense, it must be deliberate. What do you think would happen if Shueisha disappeared? What do you think is the message explicitly passed down through the editors to the creators of all their properties? Please, if you aren't willing to use your brains a little bit say so in your comments so I don't bother replying to you in the future.
You could just check. It's not for 2.0, but for 1.0.
2.0 is the top rated EVA movie. 1.0 and 2.0 are listed as "fresh".
However, 3.0 is 25% fresh, in other words, rotten.
>cucked so hard you get erased from existence
Must be hard being a Reifag, ain't it?
Asuka wanted to die in that period filled bathtub, but was such a fucking failure she couldn't even accomplish that either.
Can't this broad do anything right?
And ends up killing the angel and saving everyone.
When Asuka dies, she doesn't do anything but be pathetic.
She never acted on it, so it couldn't be a failure.
It's never confirmed what it is, whether it be rust or whatever else. Of course, you're just trying to bait.
That's why Reifags are throwing fits over her recent loss in popularity right? Rei is for pseudo-intellectual 8ch shits like yourself.
The cucking it never stops does it?
From universe to universe, Rei Ayanami, the etenral cuck.
You literally said, and I quote, "It's the single reason why Shueisha exists."
Shueisha has existed since 1925, officially formed in 1949. That makes it, at the youngest, 66 years old. Evangelion is 20 years old now. There's a 46 year gap between Evangelion's original air date and the formation of Shueisha. Perhaps YOU should be the one to think about what they're typing before actually doing so.
Are you just having a laugh or is this kind of semantic pedantry what passes for discussion on /a/ these days? I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt but who can even know anymore.
>why there are people who genuinelly think Evangelion is a bad series?
You just have to come to terms that people are stupid and have shit taste. I'm not even joking. This isn't the case of some people not liking it, which is fine. This is a case where some people just can't see its merits and over blow the shortcomings. Evangelion touched on some many things that it still impresses me whenever I go back and reacquaint myself with it. So that leaves one of two options: People are literally too stupid or not well versed in what NGE was talking about and so it comes over as garbage to them or they are willfully being asshts because they have shit taste. We just have to deal with it.
Asuka killing herself or at least trying to serves no point but to end her own existence.
Rei knows she's able to die and incur a replacement, and she has no alternative at that point, she does nothing and everyone dies. She kills herself + the angel, and everyone lives. Even Rei after some resurrection scheme.
Rei is more cool-headed than Asuka and can make those tough, calm calls.
Enjoy the ban, again.
>b-but Fireposter was banned!
Cry more. Asuakfags aren't mad enough to save spiteshit like you. Rei is the one who'd go for niggers because she doesn't give a shit.
I thikn you are confusing a few anons here
The One Piece guy is saying One Piece is the single reason Sueisha exists, the NGE guy is asking him what One Piece did that changed the anime/manga industry and how One Piece affects Japan
Fucking called it.
>could only manage two words after cellphone samefagging
You're a tragedy.
And of course, the Reifag posting spiteshit isn't? End your life like Robin Williams did.
Not at all, especially not these days after 3.0
It's good sci-fi for an anime at least and it's not doing much wrong in that aspect, it's not even the focus just one of the many things that make Eva up.
We are talking about anime though and for an anime the character depth is stunning. Even side characters like Ritsuko get some focus and development. The characters feel like real people with their own motivations, you can't say that about every anime.
Shinji has subtle development throughout the series.
Yes the cristian imagery may be pointless if you don't dig deep into it (it may be even if you do) but as I said earlier there is other symbolism in NGE.
For example Gendos glasses Rei keps, representing her loyalty and fondness of him.
Peoples hands for their affection and embracement of other people >>135639302
>Reifags stats shitposting unprovoked
>People tell him to fuck off
>Bawww the Asukafags are picking on us bawww
>WOAH BRO CALM DOWN MAN IM TOTALLY NOT A REIFAG
>However I will not comment on any of the spiteful images and clear bait filenames the Reifag is posting
Jesus christ don't you have something better to do than shit up eva threads on /a/?
Every single time I've seen a shat up EVA thread there's you, the assmangled loser asukafag there. The only thing you succeed at is giving Asukafags a bad rep.
>Thread for serious discussion about NGE
>waifufags show up and try to derail the thread
You see, what's actually happening is that people are seeing how into the show you, and others, are, so they be deliberately contrarian just because it bothers them that you're into something so much.
I know because I used to be that way too.
>all this cellphone samefagging and replying to yourself
Nice ban evasion too, retard. With the sudden spike of replies, you must be torn apart like you're waifu's asshole.
Just fucking ignore it or tell him to fuck off.
What good does an argument do?
Wow, cool. Another batch of phoneposts. How predictable.
How have you not killed yourself yet, asukafag?
Does it hurt you THAT much that you're waifu is shit compared to Rei and the rest of the gang?
At first I liked it. Then I got bothered by Shinji's yelling and crying. Then it grated on my nerves when it didn't stop after several episodes. Then I started developed unbridled fury when it still kept going for at least several more. Then it got great, and my anger placated; and then it went back to Shinji yelling and crying some more.
After that everyone died, then got turned into tang and I laughed till I cried that I wasted such a large part of my life.
It was okay. 7/10.
I just did tell him to fuck off. Maybe if everyone joined hands and screamed at asukafags to FUCK OFF, we could have good threads again.
Hell if there's just one decent non-cancerous asukafag out there, let your voice be heard too.
>it's not us Reifags shitposting I swear
this thread is horrible
kill yourselves, all of you
It's the nickname an asukafag shitposter has gotten. I think he shitposted so much with images of fire that he got banned for it.
Asukafags like that guy are a serious problem in EVA-threads.
Only a Shinji dump can salvage it at this point.
It's not a what, it's a who. It's a seriously autistic asuka fan who keeps spamming threads with hate rhetoric, and he gets angry whenever someone posts a picture of original NGE Asuka because it's 'bait'.
Just try it, pick a picture of Asuka in the bath tub, asuka suffering from NGE or against the MP-EVA's and he goes ballistic.
You can't discuss these scenes EVA is known for because this guy will always accuse people of baiting him.
Well, he sure is eating the bait and lining right up in the line of fire.
He spammed an Eva thread with 150 images of fire once and then got banned twice for it.
He gets mad if you ever say anything remotely negative about Asuka, even if it is completely true to the show.
He also wants other anons to dick-ride him, wants to marry ARK, and I'm pretty sure his name is Darius.
How do you know exactly? Not doubting you.
I just remembered that guy, good thing I try to stay away for waifufaggetory especially in NGE threads I guess.
You are cute.
>you will never pre-type phoneposts and transfer word documents to your phone, agreeing with yourself to establish a boogeyman
>You're going to incite a flamewar over a scene from the fucking show?
That's generally how flamewars start here...
Except on Berserk threads; that's just retarded anons feeding the tripcunt.
Go back to 8ch. You'll get carpal tunnel from making so many posts in advance to reply to yourself.
>How do I know
Same rhetoric, same butthurt. He copuies my arguments because he's a dumb, lazy fuck, see his use of "rhetoric" after I've been using the word.
>You're going to incite a flamewar over a scene from the fucking show?
So you are telling me if I name my Rei pictures WorthlessCumdoll.jpg and post them in Rei threads they have no right to get mad at me?
What misinterpretation? It's a gif literally from the show. I didn't post it, I didn't even open it, I scrolled down like a normal person. Only a fucking autist would start a flamew- oh wait, that's you isn't it?
>those dumb otakus, will they ever stop arguing
>How do you know exactly? Not doubting you.
Not him but it's the same guy. The Asukafag retard shitposter. He posts the same images, posts the same shit, and just got off ruining yet-another-eva-thread earlier.
He said something along the lines of "i will always defend my waifu from this and that".
It's the same fucking guy. These threads aren't frequented by that many, and his samefagging with his phone is obvious..
>I bet you even posted that gif
Look it up on the archvies, it's juust another ebig filename jokes he's added to the repetoire. Was even posting it yesterday, not that you're not samefagging anyhow.
>some aren't just clever enough, but find it bad is retarded.
Maybe if you stopped treating Eva like vapping you'd stop seeing those memes.
The rabbit-hole can go as deep as someone can make it, but the selling point of Evangelion was that it touched subjects not really seen before on anime; even if those themes wouldn't blow the mind of anyone who took a philosophy class in highschool.
That said, it did gave us Rei so I'm eternally thankful for it.
There were some noisy Kaworufags a couple months ago, but now they mostly just stick to /cm/ or help out with Shinji dumps.
> I even bet you posted that gif so you could stir up some shit.
Because it's impossible to imagine a buthurt Reifag could post the .gif
Because Reifags never stir shit up.
Post yfw you realize that, as often as these thread s happen, and as there are more and more newfags, eventually:
>there will be an entire "Is Eva Good?" thread that reaches the bump limit, without anyone who has actually watched Eva posting in it
Just from browsing /a/ for a few days and copying memes, they could learn everything they needed to know about shitposting Asuka or Rei, muh mecha, Shinji get in the fucking robot, pscyhological edgefest, anime died after 1995, congratulations, etc.
It may have already happened.
>Robin Williams killed himself
So did Asuka's mom.
I guess that's what happens when you have worst girl for a daughter.
They don't understand the series. Instead of being some hero or badass like shounen protagonists are, he ends up ending the world, regretting it and bringing it back, and regretting that too.
Asuka's mom actually killed herself because her soul was split. Robin killed himself because he realized it was the ultimate fate for Reifags and that all Reifags should die.
>muh Robin Memeiams
>Let me just post guro le subtle troll
>BUT MOM, IT'S C-CANON!
Dindu nuffin, huh?
Asuka's mom killed herself because she gave birth to a tranny.
Her dad didn't want to deal with that bullshit so he fucked off.
Not for long.
>Not for long.
Longer then the test-tube abomination known as Rei Ayanami
For posting caps from the show? No.
Because a lot of people don't go to TV for "sad" or "real".
Evangelion is a sad, depressing show. It's characters are mostly bad people, with no one to clearly project into if you want to be the good hero. People equate not liking something to it being ba, or equate their feelings of the fandom to the show itself. Some people are just dumb, and only look at a surface level. Other people watch something and don't agree with the message or storytelling mechanics. And sometimes it just doesn't jive with you.
Just how she was drawn to accentuate the hips, of cours etismo over there absolutely cannot resist making his ebin 3rd grader jokes. I think the the actual image is slightly different.
i like eva but the lore involving angels and the impacts is a massive cluster fuck and convoluted as shit. Literally no one will know what the lance of loginus is or why its important unless they read the eva wiki or something. purely from watching the show all i know is that it can 1 shot an angel and thats it
>I though that was Rei when I posted it
Fixing the children:
Shinji: relieve from eva duty.Talk to the kid, a lot. Engage him, honestly. Tell him you care about him and wish to help. Maybe, not kill his friends too often. Let's scrap that actually.
He will smoothen out. There's far worse children out there, they all insist it's not a 'phase', but then ten years later they cringe at that phase they had.
He's an OK kid all things considered.
Rei: Relieve from EVA duty. Even though she handles it well enough so that it is not a problem, children shouldn't be piloting these machines.
Provide familial, genuine warmth. Don't be afraid to ask her to elaborate on what she thinks and feels, even her past. Rei is not shy or hurt by her past.
Honestly Rei is OK and is going to be fine given time.
Asuka: Relieve from EVA duty. She is not fit to handle the stress. Put into psychiatric ward because she will not take being able to pilot well.
It'll be rough but it's the only way.
>Filename meme meister got banned again
Eat shit. Wait, you already do, you like Rei.
What a fucking meme. Confirmed for not knowing shit.
The fucking 3 episode bullshit in the end of the series. Doesn't bring anything entertaining and fullfilling that was being promised since the beggining of the show with the teasing of the secrets.
I watched it like 1/2 years ago, so a lot of the "revolutionary stuff" never was revolutionary to me, shinji is an annoying cunt, Asuka is a bitch and Rei was a fucking plank. A "regular"(in my pov) series with a lot of promise gives me such a shitty ending that i end up disliking the show so much that i don't want to watch the films. And i know i'm missing some great stuff.
But the TV series is still bad.
>being so mad over the ending that he can't appreciate the rest
>being 14 years old
What's wrong with psychiatric wards? It's where Asuka belongs if she wants to stand any chance for controlled improvement.
Removing her from EVA-duty will make her extremely unstable. It won't do the same for Shinji or Rei, hence they can continue their normal lives, but since Asuka is too dependent on piloting the EVA, her ego will self-destruct.
When she could not pilot her EVA, she attempted suicide. That's a big no no.
Rei, Shinji, being more stable and less dependent, less under control by NERV, face no such problems. That's why they can safely continue, while Asuka cannot. A psychiatric ward is the safest place, away from high jumps or sharp objects.
I don't know, I watched it for the first time like 3 years ago.
It just kind of seemed heavily focused on being a highschool drama with very little going on. Sure there's some really fucking cool side story going on, but it is kind of just a side story until the last 6 or so episodes. The rest of the character interactions are average at best.
It's a good show, but I don't see why so many people think it's a master piece. Sure it has some great ideas, but the execution was kind of flawed and boring at times imo.
>A psychiatric ward is the safest place, away from high jumps or sharp objects.
Psychiatric wards have been proven to only worsen conditions. There's a reason why treatment is mostly afterward. Anyone who recommends wards has never done research.
if you're talking about the original, there's only one. and it isn't a continuation, it's an alternative/complementary ending to the tv ending.
while i personally prefer the tv ending, the movie might resolve things better for you. it's more focused on plot and it was the high budget, high octane ending that was teased in the preview of episode 24 which leads me to think that's what they wanted to do in the first place. but of course, budget restrictions fucked them over
>spoonfeed me because i know nothing of Big Pharma and I don't know the slightest, even general, workings of a ward
You could just watch One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. Wards are purgatory and more for just detaining. You get treated better in prison than in a ward and they both serve the same purpose.
Were you at some point in a psychiatric ward? All research I've seen seems to point that it works. Which is partly why they're in such great use.
Not only psych wards, but child serves have their appropriate centers for unstable children like Asuka in need of psychological help.
You know how many normalfags show up in a ward? You know how many indivduals with nonporblems end in a ward? Do you think every ward detainee is some seriously crippled individual? Have you ever been in one or known someone who has?
Well at least we know now why he loves Asuka so much
I've worked in one temporarily. Anyone who "gets help" or benefits from a psych ward has no problems to begin with and "just needs time off." The doctors are reluctant to even show up and are often overworked and don't seriously engage most pateints unless the patients prompt them. 90% of the time patients just want to go home and complain of the situation making them worse. Hygiene is poor and the food is utter shit.
>Juvenile wards are sections of psychiatric hospitals or psychiatric wards set aside for children and/or adolescents with mental illness. However, there are a number of institutions specializing only in the treatment of juveniles, particularly when dealing with drug abuse, self-harm, eating disorders, anxiety, depression or other mental illness.
Yep, sounds like a perfect place for Asuka.
At this point if i were to watch it i would have to watch death and rebirth to remind me some stuff(this is the one that is half tv series half movie right?) to watch that movie. And at this point i just dislike the series to a point that i shouldn't bother, maybe one day when i have nothing to watch. Thank you though.
Sounds like you believe everything you read, personally.
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Yep, sounds like the perfect place for you.
The staff don't eat the same food and it looks like you're completely adopting the patient's point of view.
THE CRAZY ASUKAFAG SHITPOSTER IS LITERALLY A CRAZY PSYCH WARD PATIENT
THE ABSOLUTE MAD MAN
I'm sure Asuka will get EVA-themed straight jackets to help her cope.
It all makes sense now.
The fireposter is an agressive, delusional cunt triggering at the most minor of things.
Asuka is an aggressive, delusional cunt triggering at the most minor of things.
Two crazies, together, almost romantic if they wouldn't need a straight jacket when in the same room.
So, let me guess, the "evil doctors" are the crazy ones, and the ones who need help? The patients are all fine and are just unlucky to have gotten in a psych ward, because the mean doctors don't want to help them?
Are you posting from a psychiatric ward right now?
I'm saying the patients are mostly normalfags and the doctors get worn out. No one with actual problems gets anything done at a psych ward. Doctors actualy have to filter a certain amount of people through or keep others depending on how room quotas. Medicine is a business, not samaritanism.
Well this thread went to shit as I was watching Macross Delta
>I'm saying the patients are mostly normalfags
HAHAAHA OH GOD
you can't make this shit up
>Asukafags are crazy fuckers.
Nothing wrong with that
This is very bizarre. I am currently watching the remakes for the first time after watching the anime like 2 years ago, and came to this thread like 30 seconds after telling a friend in the room how Eva doesn't deserve the hate, and I forgot how good it was.
>the patients are normal, the doctors are crazy not the patients
Go marry your Asuka pillow.
I'm so scared Lucy. Don't you have Robin Williams to tend to down there in hell? After all, he did kill himself and according to Christians, he's rightfully there.
Go change your fielnames again.
Fuck off tumblr