I mean sure Monogatari series after Bake isn't nearly as

>>135573264
your face is garbage.
Owari was superb.

>[Commie]
English Only pleb opinions do not count.

>>135573435
First one I didn't finish it was so boring.

>>135573264
>after bake is garbage
>second season is garbage
>commie
Opinion discarded

Remember when Araragi wasn't a hopeless idiot being talked down to by everyone all the time?

Remember when he was an alpha harem protag who literally GF'd the first girl he met?

>>135573264
>fujoshi asking for the dick

Shine bright like a DIAMOND.

>>135573533
Not OP, but I thought some people here recommended Commie for Owari, or did I just miss the joke?

>>135573568
You should rewatch Mayoi Snail if you've forgotten for awkward he was and how much he got talked down to

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>>135573264
the animation improved but the story dropped in some arcs
exceptions tho
like the kaiki arc in monogatari season 2 is fucking amazing

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>>135573808
the story needed more senjougahara too

>tens of gigabytes spent downloading all of *monogatari
>never watched any of it

Why does it have to be so bad when the girls are so good? I want to have the desire to watch it but I just can't.

>>135573791

>if you've forgotten for awkward he was

dude he slaps the shit out of hachikuji for being rude to him

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>>135573908
and on the topic of owari
the episode where they talk for a whole episode at the shrine was bad yes
gaen always takes too long to talk imo
then they transition to shinobu and monkey girl
for the rest

what was said, could have been said in 1/8 the time

>>135573971
i just watch something else when i get sick of it
keep coming back to it tho

Monogatari is a masterpiece in and the weakest parts of it are only 7/10 at worst. If you have ADHD and can't stand anime that focuses on entertaining character interactions instead of shounen action scenes every second you might have a problem with it though.

>>135573989
Yeah, that's a good example of how awkward he was

>>135573692
commie is good enough.

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>>135573509
>sat through the entire series
>didn't finish the most interesting one so far
fagget.

>>135574113
lol no dude
they definitely go overboard with gaen 15 minutes of her saying nothing at all is too much

>>135573989
i will never get tired of the interaction between those two

>>135574305
>Gaen saying nothing at all
>Literally the character that has the most knowledge
>saying nothing

Not because you don't understand that her rambling is meaningless. Go back to your shonenshit, kid.

>>135574858
no. dont try and make it deep. i know exactly what she says, she says so much superfluous shit. sounds like YOU dont understand what gaen says.

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>>135574973
Okay, buddy.

>>135575079
you make me laugh with your pseudointellectual nonsense, all you do is fool idiots and make yourself look retarded. lmao. hur dur gaen so deep cuz she talks for 15 minutes in circles.

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>>135574973
>literally "no u" response

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>>135575145
no u

>>135575145

This image triggers my autism because she doesn't do the posed look thing anyway and even gets angry when people mention it.

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>>135575130
Sure thing, mate.

>>135575604
>actually replying like a ten year old
lmfao

>>135573568
No?
Hana maybe?

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>>135573264
I want to feed monkey my banana

>>135573568
>GF'd first girl he met

Didn't realize he was dating Hanekawa

>>135574219

Ougi is a guy, stop posting that webm. Nothing about him is sexy at all anon.

>>135576400
Ougi from Araragi's imagination is female. Ougi from Kanburu's imagination is male.

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>>135573568

>>135573509
don't worry you'll like Bake when you actually want something different from anime unless you're a shit eating retard who never gets bored of samey, trope filled garbage

>>135574011
>what was said, could have been said in 1/8 the time
Yeah, unlike the rest of the series.

>>135573568
>Remember when Araragi wasn't a hopeless idiot being talked down to by everyone all the time?
Not really, no.

Who talks down to him? Gaen, who does that to everyone. Ougi, who is some sort of manifestation of the psychological shit he has to work out (whether she's part of the problem or the solution remains to be seen) and Hanekawa, who can see he's being played but, for whatever reason, can't say anything explicit yet.

>Remember when he was an alpha harem protag who literally GF'd the first girl he met?
No, I remember when Araragi was a vaguely believable person who was asked out by someone he got along well with.

>>135573568
I remember him dropping his spaghetti all over Hanekawa and meekly following the first girl assertive enough to get him to commit.

Second Season is a wild ride.
I didn't do my homework. Help me time travel.
Oh, looks like everyone is now dead.

Always remember to pet your vampire.

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>c89
>still nothing new

>>135577184
this

>>135574011
Whose hand is that?

>>135573264
>gatari shit
>good
>ever
if you don't have standarts maybe.

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>>135578910
>standarts

Yeah maybe.

S2 >>>>>>> Bake >>>> Owari >>>>>>>>>>

>>135573692
commie is generally not very good, but they're the only ones who do monogatari right

>>135579203
Bake >>>>>>>>>>>>>> S2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nise > Tsuki > Hana > Owari

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>>135579261
Just the first episode of Owari is way better than Tsuki and Hana combined

I like it. Shinobu mail was a weak arc though.

>>135573568
That never happened. He beat Seishou by himself though.

Shinobu mail was the worst Monogatari thing I have seen I believe. Even Nise and its outrageous fan service was more entertaining.
Just for that Owari isn't worth putting on the same list as the other shows.
Fuck Gaen.

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>>135579575
>Fuck Gaen.

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>>135579945
>character is a know-it-all bitch

>>135574858
It was a fucking info dump for shit we already knew 80% of. That's why it was boring shit.

>>135579575
Gaen's shitty monologue aside, Shinobu Mail was the strongest arc since Koi.

>>135573264
The entire Shitogatari series is garbage. You can only get garbage from a garbage studio anon.

>>135580740
too harem 4u?

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>>135580722
And yet the weakest of Owari so far.

>>135576355
No he flipped up her skirt

He did fuck the second girl he met

>>135575145
>I said with a posed look

That part of her life is over, Anon.
Forget it.

>>135573692
Commie is the only group that subs Monogatari that is good at typesetting.
Theyre pretty shit for nearly every other show, especially ones that other, more competent groups are subbing.

>>135580722
hana, owari 1 and tsuki were all better than shinobu mail

>>135581028
If you aren't invested in the characters, maybe. But if that's the case then why the fuck are you watching Monogatari?

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>>135581117
All those arcs features the original characters, not just Shinobu Mail.
>>135581163
Decent Black yes, Mathemagics just on the 27.

>>135581231
There was one episode that dealt with the main story, where it answered why Araragi became an edgy faggot. The rest was the Sodachi show- which was pretty interesting in its own right and Marina Inoue did a hell of a job selling the character. However, it doesn't have the far-reaching consequences and information of Shinobu Mail, which also let up on everyone being so super fucking serious all the time even though the situation was more dire.

>>135577234
What happened to Spurdo

>>135576400
o shit. That actually turned me on for a bit.

>people shitting on Gaen

Fucking kek. Yeah, they should let the explanation of things to the characters that fight each other and leave 90% of the logic behind like in shonenshit. Get the fuck out. Fact of the matter is that you guys suffer of ADD and that you can't follow when someone talks for more than 2 minutes. Go back to watching One Punch Man. Monogatari is for people who likes story telling, not shitty meaningless combats and ass pull super powers.

Gaen is best girl and best onee-chan of the season. Deal with it, bitch.

>>135581854
Gaen is a turd and so are you m8

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>>135581602
Then what you mean is not investment in the characters but investment on the "main plot". The actual amount of Sodachi in Owari 1 is around 2 full episodes out of 7, not much more than Gaen in Owari 2 comparatively, and there was also Seishirou. Not to mention you can't say that of Tsuki, in which Tadatsuru is barely present.

>>135581921
Why is she a turd? Because she knows more than the MC in which you self insert hard into? You wish the be the ultimate star of your own show? Hilarious. You're hilarious and pathetic at the same damn time.

>>135574011
I agree there, the script isn't anything special, its just pseudo-intellectual BS. That isn't the highlight of the show, it's the directing.

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>>135581854
>We don't know how to tell a story properly so we're going to create a shitty character which its only purpose is info-dumping.

Will there ever be a song as good as Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari again?

>>135582223
>b-b-but muh oneesama makes my wee wee feel so funny when she talks down to me
Your masturbation fodder is a turd, deal with it

>>135582326
nothing to do with shaft newfag, tell that to nisio and his milking of the series

>>135573568
After being talked down by some bitches he went and beat up a tiger and broke his former crush's heart.

>>135582114
Tsuki was also good, but it was still more of a setup arc. Shinobu Mail was a lynchpin arc that explains a bunch of mysteries from the rest of the series and then throws in even more information about the characters. Plus, Seishirou has been known as an important figure in Shinobu's past since Kizu while Sodachi was shoehorned in. Sodachi's arcs didn't make me want to re-examine the entire series to see how the information I got there fit in with everything else while Shinobu Mail did.

>>135582345
Owari ED was almost as good.

>>135582298

thank you spooky ougi

>>135582535

Does an ED have the same emotional impact though

>>135582346
She doesn't even talk down people you dumb shit. Most of the time, she explains or give additional information to the MC. You still didn't explain why is she a "turd".

>>135582326
You talk like she's been used countless times already. The story telling is already very good without her. Her purpose is to fill the holes in the story with additional missing information. And how is she shitty? She hasn't done anything wrong and she's a great onee-sama.

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>>135582364
>The source material is shit, but we're going to leave at that because we're are too lazy to fix anything

>>135582588
>She doesn't even talk down people
Confirmed for being too busy masturbating to femdom fantasies to pay attention.

>hating Gaen
ADHD memelords leave this place

>>135582589
something something low quality bait jpg

>>135574497
I find Hachikuji horrendous, glad she's fucking gone. Also I'm tired of Araragi thinking only with his dick. He's 18 not 13.
They should have make Kaiki or Oshino the MC; the only characters along Suruga I don't want to punch.

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>>135582467
So you're just agreeing with me that you're invested in the plot and not in the characters particularly.

I found Owari 1 much better because it was focused on people's problems like many monogatari arcs, and I can accept new characters even if late in the game if they are interesting, while Owari 2 was mostly about filling the plot, which was mostly done through info dumps this time.

>>135582656
If I liked femdom (which I do), I'd notice the talking down part, so I don't get your point. I think you're too busy being a little bitch and taking offense from a great girl like Gaen having more information than the character in which you self insert into.

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>>135582589
>Shaft is shit
>"Nisio writes this"
>then Nisio is shit and so is Shaft for not doing anything about it

Anon there's a limit to how much you can pretend to be retarded.

>>135582696
These people just seem to be baiting, but it's true that Gaen monologuing about the past is a lazy way to dump exposition. She's fine when she's setting up duels and challenging the other characters with tough questions, etc.

>>135582789
>if you don't masturbate to second rate femdompandering like I do then y'all are just filthy self inserters!

Sure thing, bud

>>135582467
>Sodachi's arcs didn't make me want to re-examine the entire series to see how the information I got there fit in with everything else while Shinobu Mail did.
And how is that bad, exactly? You'd rather them leave you in the dark the entire time? I find it good that now we know what the fuck happened to Araragi during the entire Tsubasa Tiger arc and why he wasn't there to help Tsubasa with her problems. It's interesting because, you know, it's part of the main plot. Whereas Sodachi seems like a fucking filler arc to me.

>>135582960
You're a lost cause. A bitch that hates on strong women because of insecurity issues.

>>135583098
Now you are strawmanning. It might be time to give it up.

Is there a reason why Episode is even in this series? He doesn't fit at all.

>>135583138
He fits in Kizu

>>135583129
Sorry but that's the only conclusion I get from someone hating on a character because she's an strong onee-san figure that knows a lot and that, apparently, talks down to people. Clearly insecurity.

Monkey is a lot cuter with longer hair.

>>135583365
I don't mind her short hair but yeah, her long hair made me want to run my fingers through them.

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>>135583138
Because Gaen was preparing a secondary plan in case Araragi failed.
She was going to send a vampire hunter to take on a vampire using the fact Oshino saved Episode's life in Kizumonogatari as leverage to get him to take the job.

>>135573264
You don't deserve this anime ,choke on a cock

>>135583362
>if you call a turd a turd, you're just being insecure!
You're endless repetition sure is going to make it true if you keep trying

>>135582780
There was one info dump and it was bad. However, the high points were much higher than anything in Owari 1 and outside the ifo dump the pacing is a hell of a lot better with the good old banter that so many people know and love the series for making a comeback after being gone for six episodes.

Being invested in the main plot = being invested in the characters since the main plot is just about their personal growth. That's the only thing to get invested in. Nobody was on the edge of their seat to find out if Seishirou was going to get vanquished, they were on the edge of their seats to see what he meant to Shinobu and how his appearance would impact her relationship with Araragi.

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>>135573264
Look man I am just waiting for Kizu....and I am going to like it.

>>135583499
She moved up to best girl.

>>135583362
She's arrogant and psychotic, not strong. I assure you that if she ever fucked up big time she would have a severe breakdown.

>>135583698
She always was.

>>135583022
It's not bad, it's just inferior. Bigger, further reaching revelations are more interesting than smaller ones.

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>>135583499
Best booty.

>>135583657
But you still didn't explain why she was a turd. All you do is keep repeating "turd" so you're not any better than me. At least I have the decency to explain why you're so insecure, but you can't explain for shit. No wonder you don't like Gaen. Top kaka.

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>>135583698
>haircut determines best girl status

>>135583793
This shit is important.

>>135583787
the fact you're getting so awfully defensive over the shittiest oneesama of any season she appears in just exposes you as a buttblasted femdomfag who has no better arguments than some armchair psychology about "insecurity" of the people who call you out for your bullshit

go end yourself

>make a lesbian character
>then make all her interactions be centered around male MC
>make her many times tease him how much she wants to fuck him
>don't get any gf as a token lesbian
>isn't shown to be attracted to more girls than one loli and sempai with so many cute girls around
>her only role is to be fanservice joke for male MC
>is a complete fujoshi
Seriously why Nishio wrote Kanbaru as a lesbian?

Wouldn't it be more normal to make her bisexual as her coming out gone?

>>135583736
Well, she knows her place. It's not like she goes around randomly and spilling out knowledge to then boast off about it. She's thereonly when Araragi needs her and when she's asked about it, she tells them she knows everything (which is, up until this point, true). I see nothing wrong with that and knowledge is power so yes, she's strong.

>>135583996
>turd turd turd turd
And your argument is better? Fuck outta here.
>shittiest oneesama
Fuck you, I'm done with you. Tired of arguing with an insecure self insert faggot.

>>135584147
Guess what, she is bisexual.

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>>135581746
He evolved into Gondola

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>>135584147
Ahem.

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Crap, wrong file.

>>135583680
>the high points were much higher than anything in Owari 1
That's debatable, for me the highest point was Lost part 2.

>Being invested in the main plot = being invested in the characters since the main plot is just about their personal growth.
The "main plot" I meant the supernatural/shinobu plot. Owari 1 is part of the main plot as well, including being focused on the main antagonist and her relationship with both the Araragi and Hanekawa, and the main character background and part of his development. And while Sodachi wasn't properly foreshadowed, she is a part of the story as well since Nisio added her.

>they were on the edge of their seats to see what he meant to Shinobu and how his appearance would impact her relationship with Araragi.
You're really overselling this arc.

Regardless, for me being informative isn't the same as being good. Just reading a summary/bio could provide all these points, but it wouldn't entertain me as much.

>no one posted any shit related to redditgahara yet

So we are finally getting better

>>135584256
>>135584330
Ghosts don't count into sexualities.

>>135584178
>constantly salty and assblasted over other people not worshipping the same fictional fetish girl
>calling others insecure

femdomfags are hilarious

Help me /a/. I've just watched Mayoi Jiangshi and Nadeko Medusa in a 24 hour period. How do I regain control of my life and stop watching Shinobu Time?

>>135584339
>focused on the main antagonist and her relationship
It was setting it up, which is fine, but still inferior to dramatic revelations about a previously established relationship.

If you're more interested in new characters than the "it's complicated" between Araragi, Senjougahara, Hanekawa, Shinobu, and Kanbaru then I don't see how you can say you're invested in the characters.

>Just reading a summary/bio could provide all these points
Except I literally read summaries of both arcs years before they were animated and Owari 2 was the one that stuck out as woefully inadequate because the meat was in the small, nuances and debatable points. Whereas Ougi's relationship with Araragi is literally perfectly summed up as: Ougi is Araragi's self-criticism. What exactly that looks like is interesting, but it doesn't provoke the same level of thought as knowing that Araragi copied the rejection Shinobu gave to Seishirou to use on Hanekawa.

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>>135584392
post best girl

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>>135584822
Just let it happen. Then sleep and rewatch the entire series because there are a fuckton of details you're going to pick up on now that you know more about the characters.

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>>135584989

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>>135584939
>>135584989
>>135585045
Abort thread, the fuckboys are here.

>>135573264
>I mean sure Monogatari series after Bake isn't nearly as good
Second season was great

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>>135584971
It's happening. My life is over. But who is this spooky sleeves girl and why is she giving Snake terrible ideas like talking to scrunchies and eating talismans.

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>>135585350
Crab a cute

>>135585264
She's doing it because Araragi is a masochist.

>Monogatari series is fucking garbage what the fuck.

fixed that for you OP

>>135585386
that's a weird way to spell 'shit'

Why did crab cut her perfect long hair? Fuck Nisio and his shit-tier taste

>>135573568
What the fuck, I'm on episode 12 of Bake, and you're telling me it only gets worst from here?

>>135586531
No. He's just a nostalgiafag who watched Bake years ago and can't see any of the faults of Bake or the merits of new seasons.

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>>135584147
she's bisexual you dense homo

>>135582223
I don't even know where you get all of that from that post you insecure nigger. Gaen is shit because she info dumps the viewer with pointless shit that does not need 10 minutes to explain.

>>135586531
Enjoy it because it's all downhill from there.

>>135585264
>giving snake terrible ideas
Ougi did nothing wrong. All of snake's terrible ideas are her own.

>>135586684
Sometime it does require 10 minutes to explain an in-depth backstory and her information are most of the time very informative. Like I said, if you don't want in-depth story telling, go watch One Punch Man or something. This show is not for you kids.

>>135586531
Depends

It's easily the best season, but a lot of people get used to the visual style(which is less stylish after Bake) and dialog afterwards which makes them love SS the most, especially after watching the last arc which is actually as good as Bake and the highlight of the series for a lot of people

also if you watch for the ecchiness, everyone-wanting-MC's-dick harem, and characters being a lot more exaggerated(e.g. Araragi being an incest pedo pervert), you'll like the rest of the series more

>>135586593
She called herself a lesbian not bi.

So I blame Nishio on shitty bait writing her as lesbian where he doesn't understand the meaning of it, similiar like many tags on various hentai japanese or western sites use hetero or group sex or threesome content as "yuri/lesbian" tagged too...

Or more likely wanting to play with conversion fetish where a lesbian becomes bi cause harem MC is a guy trope going.

>>135586998
And Senjougahara called herself a tsundere. And Araragi says he isn't happy with Shinobu despite putting his life on the line to keep her by his side.

>>135586998
>taking what the characters in monogatari say at face value

You are some new kind of stupid aren't you?

>>135586998
she said she liked boys in hana you dense homo. stop being such a dense homo and go choke on a cock

>>135586998
A person can identify as lesbian and still flirt with the opposite sex you know.

>>135573471
Still the best owarimonogatari subs besides zerosubs.

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>>135573264
owari was hot garbage. it showcased all the worst aspects of the series wrapped up in two incredibly boring arcs. it baffles me that people eat this shit up.

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>>135574219
>>didn't finish the most interesting one so far
i hope you don't mean owari.
unless your idea of interesting is being talked at by gaen for two episodes and listening to overdramatic monologues/dialogues full of just exposition for the rest of shinobu mail

>>135587214
>And Senjougahara called herself a tsundere.
that was a blatant joke though, your example makes literally no sense

>>135573568
>Remember when he was an alpha harem protag who literally GF'd the first girl he met?
Man, you're going to be furious once you watch Kizu.

>>135586531
second season is best season, so no

>>135588190
Second Season has the best arcs and some of the worst ones. It really shouldn't be graded as a whole.

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The only bad part of Owari was Gaen talking for like three hours

The part with Monkey and Bat was 10/10

>>135588329
I thought math was 10/10

>>135587586
Shinobu arcs are just plain shit. The first half was great.

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>>135588357
It was the heaviest episode in the series for me.

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All monogatari is shit.

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>>135586998
God damn it every time someone tries to discuss monogatari it just reminds me how absolutely retarded everyone is. I rather you faggots just argue about best girl or some shit. It's not like you idiots even pay attention to the show anyway.

>>135588329
Gaen talking is normally good, but god that reiteration bit was awful.

>>135573568
>first girl he met
His sister?

>>135588769
He met his mother long before Karen.

>>135588509
Post your top 5 right now

>>135587666
>>135588329
>>135588747
>still shitting on Gaen

Didn't know the fanbase was a bunch of shonenfags. LOL

>>135588819
>LOL

>>135588819
So what does Gaen add to the series?

>>135588807
Cromartie
GTO
Milky Holmes
Seikon no Qwaser
Ixion Saga DT

>>135574113

They're not very entertaining a lot of the time though. The voice cast sounds board out of its skull most of the time and like they're just trying to grind through their monologues and shit, get their pay and get the latest dry season over with. It's a no effort cash cow show top to bottom

>>135588877
I answered that question a bunch of time in this thread already and I shouldn't have to explain it if you weren't a shonenfag that only cares about "muh action"

>>135580740

It's literally all they do cause it's the easiest shit in the world pretty much and guaranteed money. Despite what dumb anime fans say not much to see here

>>135588902
All shit, I'm afraid.
>nothing pre-97

>>135589055
I'm sorry but if you think Milky Holmes is shit you need to put up on a spot that's so high that it's scary

>>135582919

That's what Monogatari fans do. It seems like all the trolls, douchebags and shitposters love it the most which kind of makes sense. I've certainly never seen anybody that isn't a dumb teenager or douchebag advocate for this franchise at length.

>>135585119

Most light novel franchises go to shit after there first volume anyway.

>>135589094
Nobody that isn't a retard or a douchebag bothers to advocate for any series at length because why the fuck is the opinion of an internet stranger worth the effort?

>>135586957

Most of Monogataris fanbase is teenagers

>>135588647

Finding something else to talk about couldn't hurt either

>>135573435
Owari was the worst anime of the season.

>>135577234
Comiket is dead. Thanks Kantai Collection and Touhou.

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>>135589055
if you think season 1 and 2 of milky are shit you need to be removed from the gene pool

>>135589277
How the fuck are people still hung up on boatsluts? The porn was good for a while, but now it has gotten old.

>>135589225
Man, I can see that. If you're buttblasted about a character telling a story, you're probably not out of high school at this point. Ridiculous.

>>135588908

You've never seen the commentaries or atogari have you? It's pretty obvious they enjoy their roles.

I especially like how Hanekawa is really the behind the scenes onee-san for pretty much everyone.
I loved how in one short story even when Ougi is dissing Hanekawa left and right, she admits she wants her to smile her way just once, but won't get it because they always fight. People really go gay for Cat sometimes

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OFFICIAL SEASON RANKINS FROM THE MAN ISIO HIMSELF

SS>Owari>Bake>Nise>Hana>Tsuki>Neko Black

>>135589427
>Commentary tracks for SS is broken

Did Kaiki ever do one? I've seen every single commentary except SS since I don't want to re-download like 30gb

>>135589561
I don't know quite where to put owari yet but that's pretty close to my ranking.

>>135589561
Seems about right

>>135573989
After leaving the house to get away from Karen making him feel guilty about Mother's Day.

>>135589561
>Owari
>literally worst monogatari to date
>this high

thinking SS is better than Bake is one thing, but this is retardation

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>>135589561
Rankings by me, anon.

SS>Bake>Owari>Neko Black>Nise>Tsuki>Hana.

>>135591383
>implying the worst monogatari to date isn't neko followed by tsuki
>being this retarded

SS>Bake>Nise>Hana>Owari>Kuro>Neko>Tsuki

Fuck the system

>>135591407
>hana that low
>neko above anything

your rankings suck anon, get some proper taste.

>>135588935
>if you weren't a shonenfag that only cares about "muh action"

More so the banter than the action.

>>135591643
Those two are mediocre, but Owari is actually garbage

>>135591679
>Kuro>Neko
nani?

>>135573264
Its the origonal self insert fagime

>>135591708
No anon, tsuki was garbage and neko was reiterative
owari was great and you're retarded

Im confused, Kanbaru had some amazing screen time in Shinobu mail. The plot actually made some moves for important characters in that arc too. Why don't people like it?

>>135591407
All Monogatari are good. Owari was good because it completed SS Tsubasa Tiger and offered something new at the same time.

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Haven't watched it yet; downloading as we speak. Does she stick her gorilla fingers in anyone?

>>135591907
Because there are people out there who have an irrational hate for monkey/bat and hate everything that involves them.
Cause they are faggots.

>>135591907
Some people are upset that Monogatari has moved away from how Bakemonogatari was presented and cannot come to terms with the fact that as the books/seasons go further and further on, the magic they felt watching Bakemonogatari is getting more and more diluted.

>>135591946
This. I loved how Owari finally filled all of the holes while also going in a fresh direction for the first two arcs

>>135591688
Not even protag Kanbaru, Araragi car and Kaiki meat can save that drawn out villain out of nowhere plot.

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>>135591907
inb4 Gaen

>>135592005
Bake will always be one of the best, but the monogatari series has been overall improving as the years go by. Disregarding whatever novel they happen to be adapting, Shaft has just gotten so fucking good at this shit

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>>135591968
She figuratively jerks off Araragi and fists bat.

>>135589234
Dude. What am I looking at?

>monogatari is good
What exactly makes this statement true?

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Post your girl rankings guys

Crab>Monkey>Bat>Cat>Snail>Bee>Bird>Math>Doll>Shit>Snake

Ougi is just Ougi, don't know where to put her

>>135592245
The characterization and character development, the visuals and directing as well as the layered themes.

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>>135591780
oh please do tell me what's great about it

the loli sodachi mystery with the fucking blank letter being dumb as shit, or Sodachi herself being a retarded character pic related with overly dramatic bullshit?
or do you mean the entire second arc which was utter garbage and easily the worst in the series with out of character Kanbaru/haremshit pandering, more idiotic otaku comedy and "2deep4u" vague sentences from the swaglord

You really need to be extra dumb to believe Bake, which is by far the best in the series, is anywhere close to being worse than fucking Owari
get some taste holy shit

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>>135592340
>replying to him at all

>>135592032
>you will never have big sister Gaen explain you the meaning of sexuality and show you how it's done

Why live.

>>135592340
Not that I disagree, but you can pretty much paste that for every anime.

>>135574113
>Haremshit
>masterpiece

>>135573264
I want to spray her tongue with sperm

>>135591731
oops

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>>135592297
Monkey>Bat>Snail>Cat>Bird>Bee>Crab>Doll>Math
and those are the girls I actually liked.

How much fanservice is in this? We talking Ikkitousn and Manyuu Hikenchou levels of awesomeness?

>>135592400
Well in all your retarded sperging you managed to somehow strawman that I also think bake is worse than owari so that's impressive I guess.

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>>135593193
When there is fanservice, they go all fucking out, but don't expect to see it super often

>>135593193
lurk forever you fucking idiot

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>>135593193
It's a weird thing that the fanservice is about as dense as the dialog, yet also as interesting.
I can fap while enjoying fun, silly banter? Hell yeah!

>>135593455
>those lips
nise had some pretty fucking amazing animation

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>>135593455
cont.
Like, it's hard to even pinpoint what the director's fetish is. I honestly think he want to make sure we are aroused by every inch of a woman's body, whether it's covered or not.

>>135593243
your backpedaling is impressive

>>135594021
Because I'm not >>135589561 you idiot.

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>>135593321
>Deep plot
>Well written characters
>Abstract symbolism
>Engaging dialogue
>Oral hygiene
>Thought-provoking themes
>High-quality animation

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>>135594232

>>135594320
Yes that.
I only had the last picture.

>>135594232

>Stock copypastaing

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>>135594385
Yeah, there are a few versions of that image out, but they're lost in my disorganized bake folder.

As someone who marathoned all of it in time when Owari was over, I thought the first 6 episodes were really poor. The rest of the episodes I enjoyed. Hana was probably my least favourite and not engaging at all. Nise pacing and ridiculous amount of fanservice was quite annoying too. Glad I finally got into the series as I really enjoyed all the other seasons.

>>135594928
>fanservice
>annoying
If you're an autist.

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>>135594928
Funnily enough, not even the author liked Nise all that much. He really just wrote for shits n giggles... and was really horny (probably), which explains the more fetish scenes. It was decent fap material at least.

>>135595041
No, I'm just not a teenager anymore. If I want porn I can go fap and move on with my day.

>>135595068
That explains a lot. I could never really fap to it though.

>>135594928
I agree Nise struggled under the weight of its fanservice. This produced some memorable scenes but it also slowed the story to a crawl in an arc that wasn't all that interesting to begin with.

>>135594928
>nise
>pacing
You idiots keep parroting this bullshit, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>135584147
If I remember correctly, when she first tells araragi, she just uses the word yuri. I'm not sure if yuri has the connotation of"exclusively lesbian" or if it was more like she said "I'm into girls" without necessarily excluding guys.

>>135595151
>I keep everything so compartmentalized that I can't enjoy two things at once.
>stimulating libido only is enjoyable if I masturbate to it

I think you are a teenager pretending not to be one

>>135594084
so instead of just simply saying that wasn't you and explaining why Owari isn't garbage, you're calling someone an idiot and calling it impressive that he assumed the one replying to him was the one he replied to
which happens every fucking minute on 4chan because there's no way to know since it's an anonymous imageboard, you complete fucking retard


this is the most blatant way to change a subject I've ever seen here, somewhat pathetic too
Is it that hard to admit you have no idea what you're talking about?

>>135595187
>If I remember correctly, when she first tells araragi, she just uses the word yuri
She first says "lesbian", then "yuri", and Araragi says "That's the same thing". Going by the subs of course

>>135595242
Why does it need to be stimulated in the first place? You don't need desert with every meal

>>135573264
Hanamonogatari and this were terrible.

>>135595332
Nothing needs to be stimulated, but why shouldn't it?

>>135595424
Buy a dildo, you can get stimulated 24/7.

>>135595151
>I'm just not a teenager anymore
I'm pushing 30 and I'm still getting something out of this. You may be a normal person... I'd watch my back 'round these parts.

>>135595482
>I don't believe in psychological arousal.
This explains so much.

>>135595482
What a stunning rebuttal. Maybe you should try not being so afraid of sex that every time it shows up you struggle to try and justify it.

>>135595041
>>135595242
there's a difference between "subtle" visual fanservice while the storyline moves forward(you know, camera being focused on arousing things and all that) and having scenes dedicated solely for fanservice that Nise is plagued with

you're a fucking tool

>>135595638
>try not being so afraid of sex that every time it shows up
There is no "sex" in Monogatari, unless you count being blueballed pointlessly

>>135595640
You're the real tool if you can't enjoy Nise because of a little fanservice.

>>135595640
Your subtle fanservice is literal shit. If you want to put it into your work fucking own it. Just like every single time it's used in the entire series. Not some cheap shitty up-skirt shot that has no reason for existing.

There is nothing with even an entire scene of fanservice other than prudes like you refusing to enjoy it because of psuedo-intellectual reasons trying to justify your built in cultural prejudices that say art and sex can't exist at the same time.

>>135595715
sex includes sexual imagery and themes you fucking idiot

>>135595876
holy shit you degenerated so much that you're actually unironically spewing dumb nonsense like this, this is fucking hilarious

>>135596052
You can think whatever you want. Meanwhile I'm free to enjoy things you can't because you wont let yourself.

>>135595876
>There is nothing with even an entire scene of fanservice other than prudes like you refusing to enjoy it because of psuedo-intellectual reasons trying to justify your built in cultural prejudices that say art and sex can't exist at the same time.

That is some tumblr-tier shit.

>>135596125
no, you delusional degenerate
you're free to enjoy out of place ecchi because you want it in the first place

it's very simple, you wouldn't like it if they started an out of place Arabia history lesson in the middle of an episode

fortunately for you, having that kind of out of place shit doesn't sell

>>135596435
Except the only thing I see is
>sex is bad and you shouldn't enjoy things related to it

Why is that?

>>135596481
It's not out of place though you moron.
When is it ever out of place?
It always makes sense contextually.

>>135596509
Literally no one said that. You really are delusional.

>>135596553
The what are you saying? Reiterate it for me.
Because what I got from all these posts
>>135596481
>>135595640
>>135595332
>>135595151
is that it's inherently bad and needs to e justified to exist.

>>135584147
Because nothing Kanbaru says should ever be taken at face value, and aside from the direct possibility that she's fucking with Araragi when she says stuff, there's also just the basic fact that she's a ridiculously horny teenage girl who doesn't know what the fuck she is or wants.

>>135595151
I found the fanservice in Monogatari much hotter than normal porn, I think it's because they actually build up interactions with the characters first. It's like emotional foreplay. I don't actually fap to the show itself, but it sure as hell makes me go find a good doujin after finishing one of those scenes.

>>135592297
I can't rank them in order, it's too hard, so I'll do this:

>Best girl to pump and dump
Snake

>Best casual short/mid term girlfriend
Monkey

>Best wife
Cat

>Best girl to devote eternity to in a relationship that is both more and less than love and romance
Bat

>>135596552
yeah the sensual toothbrushing, towel cleaning and >>135593455 scenes totally aren't out of place

>>135596634
shows being explicit or having sex or whatever =/= out of place ecchi scenes

in fact I'm neither a purityfag cancer or opposed to anime having sex scenes/being sexual in the context of the story


you're watching too much anime, autismo

>>135597042
How are they out of place?

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>>135596902
I believe in monkey's marriage potential.
I'm sure she can get serious and commit when the time comes.

>>135597267
I'm sure she could, and she'd definitely be the most fun to be with, and probably the best in bed too.

I just find Hanekawa more suitable as somebody to settle down with. That's entirely from my own perspective where I think that she and I would match well, and she's probably not right for most anons, and sure as hell not right for Araragi.

>>135573264
Snake needs to return. Maybe things will get more interesting again

>>135597213
by being sexually overexaggerated scenes about doing mundane shit irrelevant to the storyline
you could remove all of those scenes and you wouldn't miss anything


maybe the towel scene had some relationship development I don't remember, but for every case like that there's Crab's house scene in the first arc as an example
skin is showing, but the actual plot doesn't stop to make an ecchi scene out of it, it's fucking obnoxious

what's so hard to understand

>>135573692
Commie is the only group that has someone who actually knows Japanese working on the subtitles for Monogatari.

The editor might turn things to shit along the way but at least they are working on a knowledgable base.

>>135598082
not him, but where's the fun in that? This anime has so much talking that it would be a press conference if not for the artistic flair.

>>135598082
You would miss a ton of shit. Monogatari deals with characterization by showing not telling. Just because there is skin on the screen does not mean there is nothing else.
The fact is it's you who can't understand this.

But where is Oshino and what the fuck is he doing?

>>135598082
Even I admit that this is sort of a stretch, but I feel like the show purposely uses the ecchi stuff to get you attached to the characters.

It also fits with the overall impression I have that the whole purpose of Monogatari is to get you to see things as Araragi perceives them. He can't separate the straight plot stuff out from his desires to fuck the girls, and so by mixing plot and ecchi it gets the viewer to feel the same way.

>>135598381
>It also fits with the overall impression I have that the whole purpose of Monogatari is to get you to see things as Araragi perceives them. He can't separate the straight plot stuff out from his desires to fuck the girls, and so by mixing plot and ecchi it gets the viewer to feel the same way.
that means he sees Kanbaru as walking estrogen

>>135598656
>monkey yuri
>monkey flower
>musk flower
>musk

She is
B U I L T F O R S E X
U
I
L
T

F
O
R

S
E
X

>>135598656
Is that news, really?

It's like he's playing Ace Combat and his dick missile is solidly locked on to a big glowing target indicator on her, but he's trying his hardest not to fire it.

I've had girls in my life that I felt that way about, and being around them was absolute agony, but addictive at the same time.

>>135598238
Can you see merits in Mushishi?
I mean Bake is basically harem Mushishi with Shaft visuals and I wouldn't mind if it was solely that

>>135598261
>2deep4u
Put down your fedora, newfriend
Like I said Monogatari is a harem with cool Shaft visuals and writing that isn't dogshit(for the most part), that's all there is to it

I'd say go on and prove me wrong with an example, but it's guaranteed that you won't say anything of worth when you're talking out of your ass to begin with
stop being a pretentious retard

>>135599327
>2deep4u
It's not my fault you're literally retarded and characterization that happens while skin is showing goes right over our head for some reason.

I WANT TO MARRY KANBARU

THOSE SPATS
THOSE LOOSE PONY TAILS

>>135599327
Bake sells way more than Mushishi, and the girls are a big reason why. I enjoy them too

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>>135599540

>>135599327
>>135599574
monogatari and mushi are fundamentally different.
Mushi lacks an overarching plot and persistent characters and is episodic.

>>135599600
my kokoro goes doki doki

>>135599474
>I'd say go on and prove me wrong with an example, but it's guaranteed that you won't say anything of worth when you're talking out of your ass to begin with
thanks for proving me right

stop being a pretentious retard
I thought Bake was deep too 5 years ago when it aired, I guess it's normal for underage newfags to believe this

>>135599574
and infinite stratos sells way more than my dick

how is that relevant to anything

>>135599647
Bake as in Bakemonogatari
I was talking exclusively about Bake being harem Mushishi

>>135599771
>and infinite stratos sells way more than my dick
>how is that relevant to anything
there's nothing wrong with the sexualization of the girls unless you're on some r9k trip right now. The lewdness doesn't detract from anything, in fact it makes it more fun. What is your problem? Go watch mushishi if it's so superior

>>135599771
>go on and prove me wrong with an example
Fine. That towel scene you keep harping on about. It shows just how much Karen trusts Koyomi, how much he cares about her and is willing to put up with her shit. But all you got out of it is a sweaty girl being rubbed with a towel.
And who's fault is that?

>>135599859
>The lewdness doesn't detract from anything
except it does exactly that, and blatantly
>>135595640
>there's a difference between "subtle" visual fanservice while the storyline moves forward(you know, camera being focused on arousing things and all that) and having scenes dedicated solely for fanservice that Nise is plagued with

sure the point of your post it
>I like the out of place fanservice because I like fanservice
fine whatever, it still makes monogatari shittier than it should be

>>135599874
>maybe the towel scene had some relationship development I don't remember, but for every case like that there's Crab's house scene in the first arc as an example
skin is showing, but the actual plot doesn't stop to make an ecchi scene out of it, it's fucking obnoxious
so your post >>135598261 was actually pretentious dogshit as this scene can be exactly as I said, not ecchi pandering nonsense

>>135600329
Nise is largely about Ragi playing with his sisters. There are not-so-hidden incestual feelings between them, so of course there'll be fanservice. Damn, you must not watch much anime at all if you consider that gratuitous. You're acting like it's Queen's Blade for fucks sake

>>135600329
What the fuck are you talking about your retard? The fucking plot is character development. The fucking plot is Karen is too sick to go after Kaiki. The plot is Araragi is mad that Kaiki has hurt his sister.
You are absolutely fucking retarded.
Like I fucking said >>135596125

>>135601091
for some reason I thought you were >>135598381, but you being the underage newfag instead who talks like your usual underage newfag and thinks Monogatari is deep like your usual underage newfag explains everything

and holy shit do you continue being fucking stupid, I don't know where to start

where did I ever ask what is plot
where did I ever say Monogatari doesn't have plot

since when does having pointless pandering ecchi scenes remove plot from a series which you're implying by listing plot points in Nise for no fucking reason whatsoever?

>It shows just how much Karen trusts Koyomi, how much he cares about her and is willing to put up with her shit.
that doesn't require the scene to be ecchi retardation that it is to tell that, even your undeveloped brain should comprehend that

I'm saying it could've been a scene similar to Bake's first episode, where there's a half naked girl but characters still behave believably enough
not moaning like she's getting drilled with screen full of meat for minutes, it's dumb, out of place and obnoxious
it's a scene which is mostly pointless pandering with some character development as opposed to being mostly character development with some fanservice like the ep1 example, but you actually made yourself believe it's deep how stupid you are

holy fucking shit

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>>135603128
>you being the underage newfag instead who talks like your usual underage newfag and thinks Monogatari is deep like your usual underage newfag explains everything

You seriously gotta take a break if some here is upsetting you this much.

>>135603128
I don't even want to reply to your wall of shitposting any more.
Hope you had fun writing it.

Well, I just finished marathoning the entire Monogatari series over a period of a few days. What a ride. Only a few mediocre parts, on the whole it was pretty damn sublime.

So, I hate to be that guy, but is there going to be more? It feels like it really isn't done yet. There's been some character progression but there's still easily room for another couple of seasons. Also, who/what is Ougi? Did I miss something? I've been kind of thinking she's a product of Araragi's brain, but she does seem to act upon the world even when he isn't around.

>>135603267
you think I don't know that

I should be sleeping

>>135603722
Hanekawa's tiger burned stuff down in the real world.
In monogatari stuff that's just in your head isn't just in your head.

>>135603722
There is still Kizumonogatari movies (prequel about Araragi becoming a vampire), Koyomimonogatari (shorts SoL episodes), Owarimonogatari third book and Zokuowarimonogatari to close the story.

After that there are some side stories, like Sodachi in her new school but those aren't guaranteed to be adapted.

>>135603841
So she's an oddity?

Why do people think Snake's body is attractive? She has none of the charm of a lithe loli, but none of the perks of a curvatious titty monster either. She's the worst of both worlds. Just mediocre. ALL the other girls have better bodies.

>>135604047
She's really lewd while pretending to be innocent.
She's basically what Humbert sees Lolita as.
You can see how she'd be popular here.

Discussions like this make me feel retarded for enjoying this show

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>>135573264

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Is it weird I enjoy Bake the least? I'm rewatching the entire series in preparation for kizu and it felt too formulaic and rushed compared to the others. I know it's mainly an introduction into characters but because the story acrs are just used as transitions to bigger plotlines none of them feel impactful to me

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The most exciting thing about Kizu, I need more megane Hakenawa in my life.

I didn't like Owari that much. The QUALITY was killing me.

The running animation during thesword fight scene with the First Servant made me lose it.

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>>135573264
You're garbage.

>>135576507
>kanburu

>>135573568
>Gets cucked into a relationship by worst girl, too beta to back out.
>alpha harem protag

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>ITT: Animeonlyfags try to have opinions, but they are all objectively incorrect

>>135573264
You're just a pleb, Owari is by a considerable margin the best installment of the series since Bake. It recaptures the tone and style of the original in a way none of the others have since. Ougi Formula could have almost been a Bake arc.

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>>135589561
Anyone who isn't retarded beyond measure knows that Bake was the height of the series by leaps and bounds, that isn't even up for debate. It was a masterpiece of integrating dialogue, story, and animation to create a package that was more than the sum of it's parts, which is the ideal goal for animation. The only reason Nisio likes the other two more is because he unironically thinks his silly writing is deep.

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Dunno about you guys but i could be talked into vocal exasperations making no sense of any whatsoever by Ougi ad infinitum. Yes please.

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>>135599600
Would hug and cuddle with.

>>135598374
That Meme really needs to come back

>>135611688
The Meme got lost.

>>135588769
>>135588805
Wow anons didn't realise how deep the wincest went in the show, those layered themes amirite?
topkek,anons

where do I find the koyomimonogatari app?