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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

We all work hard to understand the dynamic relationship we have with a parent.
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You can't learn Japanese.
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Ban /djt/.
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FUCK YOU. YOU CAN LEARN JAPANESE.
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>>135573351
Say that to my face irl and see what happens.
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Do you think you'll ever be able to read manga?
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>>135573351
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>>135573203
I need advice: I'm working, and this year I started to study for the Uni.

My Uni has a the chance to give me a scholarship for study 6 month in Japan, but in order to take it I need at least an N4 level. Right now, I am at N5, but I want to reach N3 for December instead of N4.

The problem is, I think I'm burning out: too much things to do, too little time. Does some of you study and work? How do you manage to study japanese too?
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>>135573547
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>>135573604
what the fuck is the third character?
a kanji?
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>>135573619
Reaching N3 in a year isn't really that difficult.

You can always squeeze in 10-20 minutes of studying a day, do flashcards with example sentences.
Listen to cd-dramas or music when you're walking, brushing your teeth etc.
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>>135573623
Is that a smug yes or a smug no?
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>>135573632
まさか, 平仮名です
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>>135573619
>My Uni has a the chance to give me a scholarship for study 6 month in Japan,
How do I into this, Do I have to go to some fancy uni?
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>>135573703
Yes, it's for faggot rich kids whose parents have too much money.
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>>135573703
Depends which country you live in. The universities in my country routinely offered exchange programs to Chinese and Japanese universities, among other sister universities around the world.

On a completely different note, that secondary manga for the cor spreadsheet is really filling out fast.
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>>135573731
>I could have been one of those
Guess ill never learn japanese
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>>135573682

10/20 minutes a day are enought? Do you mean for grammar or for flashcards? I can do flashcard while I'm on bus, now that I think about it.

>>135573703
I don't know where do you live, but in Italy is pretty simple: I just looked on my University's site, and saw this oppurtuniy (I was looking for erasmus, but this is much better).
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RESOLUTION FAGGOTS ARE HERE

Why haragana and karagana means the same but have different symbols?
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>>135573862
Why do hiragana and katakana sound the same but have different symbols?

Because they were made at the same time. Katakana was an answer to hiragana being extremely complicated before it was standardized in modern history.
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>>135573855
>>135573801
Im american so im probably fucked when it comes to that
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>>135573900
But are they both used together?
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>>135573949
For different words, usually.
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>>135573949
はい。そうです、バカ
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>Fell under 70% on my reps
I can only hope my cards auto suspend soon.
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>>135573855
To be honest you probably need 2 hours a day total study minimum and I'd recommend about 4.

1-2 hours reps
2-3 hours reading or some shit
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>>135574074
Too many reps, my nigga.
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>>135574018
>never went above 60% correct on my reps
Wew.
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>>135574135
Are you new to this or something
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>>135573986
>>135573965
Thanks!
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See you fags in february
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>>135573862
>karagana
wew lad
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Do a strawpoll boys, I'm feeling feisty.
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>>135574203
また会いましょう
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>>135573909
America is a lot further away from Japan than my country is, and there is the whole nuking two Japanese cities thing. Sister universities tend to appear in sister cities. Here is a list for Burgers:
http://www.asiamattersforamerica.org/japan/data/sister-cities-prefecture
Maybe some of the higher funded universities with these sister city relations could have such exchange programs. Though, as an American you could always join the military and get shipped over to the of the thousands of military bases America has installed in Japan.
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>>135574332
http://strawpoll.me/6428699
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>>135574573
>(Pick one)

good job
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>>135574573
Why is it single-choice, faggot?
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Someone in an earlier thread said he's reading 人類は衰退しました ようせい、しますか?
How is it? There's nothing about the difficulty written in the reading list so I'm kinda curious
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Do you think Japan will fight with us or against us in the Muslim Wars?
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>>135573238

This anon understands.
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>>135574573
Japanese indie music.
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>>135574613
>>135574621
My bad, updated poll.
http://strawpoll.me/6428730
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Does anyone feel sorry for the people that can't learn Japanese? Those poor redditors that take months to get through basic shit.
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>Try to do grammar
>Get sweepy
>Take nap nap
Every fuckin time
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>>135574730
>sweepy
Never post again
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>>135574725
Reddit is mostly dumb beginners but at least they have some people over there that actually know Japanese. Closest thing we have is imoutou.
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>>135574789
sweepy sweepy chuu :3
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Are we supposed to beat r/learnjapanese in the big competition and get the qt girl in the end?
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>>135574795
Why do you think that there are no people here who know japanese? Multiple anons read plotge and some normies even have nip friends.
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>>135573203
>もっと早い時間になんないのかね?
Can some help me with this?
Context is: Shes talking with someone at a meeting. Its 6am and she just yawned. Why is she asking for the meeting to be earlier?
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>>135574613
>>135574621

wtf it defaults to pick one, my bad
http://strawpoll.me/6428699
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>>135575242
and it linked my old one still, i give up
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>>135575223
sarcasm?
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>>135575242
Where's the "move to japan and die from overworking"?
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>>135575266
I believe in you.
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>>135575284
The time I lived in Japan were some of the days I spent the least amount of time studying Japanese.
You'll use like 10 basic phrases a day and your job will be speaking English. At least there's kanji on the train.
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>>135575290
ok fine
http://strawpoll.me/6428850

>>135575284
you wanna make a trollpoll go ahead, i had to resist the ugre to add 'funposting on 2chan'
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I just started out and I can't believe they use kanji for numbers and those kanji are also used in words.
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>>135575277
Thats my guess too.
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>trollpoll
But I am indeed learning japanese mainly to live and work there.
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>>135575447
That's why they're so retarded.
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If you didn't do the 3 free levels of wanikani then you have no right to have an opinion on it.
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>>135575636
>you need to put shit into your mouth to know that it's shit
Sure, bub.
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Should I do Genki?
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>>135575476
if you'd said as much i would have added it, unless it truly is your dream to die from overwork

just visit, have a biru, laugh, cry, avoid yakuza, keep your voice down
dont forget ねころび
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>>135573702

>using です after informal pronoun
'Course, you could've just been roleplaying as a samurai. Or I suppose they could've used something other than です
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>mfw going full easy mode and just learning how to read
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>>135575223

Maybe she's referring to 時間 as something that should happen, sooner?
Or sarcasm as previously suggested.
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>>135575915
damm thought i was safe if it was just that, guess not
only in baby stages of grammar, transitive and intransitive verbs
no idea what to do with informal pronouns
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Samurai champloo webm about the pleasures of 平仮名: https://u.pomf.is/txvspp.webm

No sound on 4chan, so I uploaded it to pomf.io ;_; tfw no qt .se anymore.
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>>135576125
>inb4 >dub
Thought it'd make more sense given that most people here are English-speakers learning nipp, or at least using English resources
tfw no good norwegian/swedish/danish resources on Japanese
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>>135576239
>not using the world language for everything even if you were born and raised without it
It's great to have one standard that opens all the major doors to everything else.
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>>135576314
>tfw got used to thinking in English
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>>135576314

I know, but it'd be nice. Maybe when school starts again I'll ask the librarian to order something.
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>>135576389
You should be all smiles, you little bitch. Your native language wasn't worth shit.
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>>135576731
fuck off
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>>135576753
You fuck off, this is an anglo board for anglos, not some sad euro faggots, or whatever.
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>Monitor starts making a noise while on the CoR

Further proof that I can't learn Japanese.
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>>135574725
They can rot for all I care. If your reason(s) for learning Japanese isn't one of these

>to read untranslated Japanese porn
>to watch Japanese cartoons and Japanese cartoon porn
>to talk to your fellow Japanese virgins

you will never learn Japanese and be stuck at at most hiragana level for all eternity. This is backed by scientific research.
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>>135577033
n'ai pas le seum gros pédé
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>>135577033
It's okay anon, I'd be just as butthurt if I where a monolingual fag.
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>>135577088
>>135577100
He's right though.

English is objectively better than everything except Latin, French, and Japanese.
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>>135577079
>wanting to talk to japanese subhumans
You should have left it at porn. It's the only thing that makes foreigners able to learn japanese.
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>>135577189
English is way better than the other languages you named, especially japanese.
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>>135577257
Sorry germanbro.
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>>135577257
>SVO
>good
I hope you don't seriously believe this.

SVO is absolute dogshit.
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>>135573702
i can't recognise it, am I fucked?
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>>135577257
Depends on what you're using it for.
Japanese is way better for making comics because you can stuff a lot more information into a small space.

English is more useful overall though.
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>>135577302
>>135577343
The fuck are you faggots talking about?
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>>135577343
SVO is godlike. The metric system of languages.
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>>135577343
There's nothing wrong with svo.
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>>135577387
English is a SVO language
Japanese is a SOV language
French and Latin change order depending on a variety of factors
>>135577442
Ching Chong ding dong and a Ni Hao to you Pao Ling!

SOV is the metric of language, there is a reason latin was taught in schools for centuries.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlILecxSmWU

I put some subtitles on this video.

For the part at 0:22, SIK from クッキー says 食べさせる, from the line 「私も食べさせる!」.

Now, I know literally that by itself, it means, "(I) Feed", but that doesn't really convey how that line works in the 音MAD.

For now I have "Eat this!," which I think carries the emphasis on volition, but does anyone have a better suggestion?

Yes, this is a stupid question.
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>>135577490
m8 i swer on my wiggly diggly that she's saying "たべさせろ"
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>>135577482
>French and Latin change order depending on a variety of factors
excuse me?
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>>135577482
Only niggers and muds use french though.
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>>135577642
French is SVO most of the time but not all of the time (pronoun object means SOV, questions can sometimes be VSO)
Latin is inflected but is usually SOV
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>>135577818
>questions can sometimes be VSO)
So like in English?
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>>135577943
If you're yoda m8.
>fucking me you are?
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Discipulus stupidus anonymus est
Est anonymus discipulus stupidus
Anonymus discipulus stupidus est
Discipulus stupidus est anonymus
Est discipulus stupidus anonymus
Anonymus est discipulus stupidus
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Seriously you can't learn Japanese by doing anki. It's learning in a bubble and doesn't apply to actually reading or speaking at all. I don't get it.
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What kind of autist brought up SOV like it matters at all?
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>>135578125
It's good enough to build the fundament to get to the point where you're learning it for real when you actually start using it.
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>>135578125
You can't learn a language if you're not prepared to devote the majority of your time to learning it.
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>>135577593
>m8 i swer on my wiggly diggly that she's saying "たべさせろ"

Yes. You are right. But, how does that make anything different?
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>>135578072
Am I?
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>>135578256
Good thing at some point learning will just mean consuming.
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>>135577490
"here comes the aeroplane!"
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>>135578405
You know, I actually translated it exactly like that on a different video.

Doesn't really work here, though.
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>>135578377
Consume this *unzips dick*
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>>135578125
I'm starting to think that the first thing a beginner should do is to read a grammar book. Then use Anki and read at the same time, while reading more grammar stuff.
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Is there a difference between doing your daily Anki in one go and doing it bit by bit throughout the day?
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>>135578506
You can't consume something that was never created.
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What's with all those beginner questions and mentalities? Shouldn't everyone ITT at least be advanced enough to have formed a mind on the matter that can advance on its own?
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>>135578652
Is this one of those beginner questions?
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>>135578742
Very original to be the usual child and to argue back with a question to a question.
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>>135578867
Who is arguing?
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>>135578895
I see, rotten to the core from spending too much time on this place.
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>>135578867
>look at me call someone a child, am I mature yet?
Hello child.
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>>135578652
>>135578742
>>135578867
>>135578895
>>135578970
>>135578985
Jimmy stop
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>>135577079
3 out of 3
oh yeah!
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>>135578985
Hello /v/.
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where do you read manga
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>>135577079
>talking to japs
here's average conversation with jap online
>はじめましてわたしのなまえは..
>えとわたしはあめりかじんでにほんごはべんきょうしてまする
>おいなんだこいつにほんごへたすぎwwww
>キチガイかよwwwwwww
>まじでキモいwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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>>135579390
I saw weebs do this "wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" thing too. What does it mean? Is it like huehue for brazillians or yayayaya for latinos?
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>>135579356
honto.jp
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>>135579449
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>>135579449
>What does it mean?
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>>135579485
え?
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>>135579508
>you can't learn japanese because you don't talk like japanese normalfags and weebs
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>>135579543
Can you find a correlation between w and the word 笑う? If you can't, then >>135579508
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>>135579549
Japanese normalfags don't use the internet.

They work in an office 16 hours a day until they die.
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>>135579704
Japan has like the most density in internet users compared to population.
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>>135578652
>What's with all those beginner questions and mentalities?

Happy New Year.
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Can we stop recommending advanced VNs for beginners yet?

It's cute so far, I feel like such a piece of shit for taking an hour to read 5 minutes in though. I can already tell my over-reliance on text hooking is going to fuck me.
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>>135580193
Visual NOVEL anon, muv-luv is just as hard to read as LOGH.

But seriously that VN is easy as fuck to read.
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>>135580193
m8 that screen is pretty easy to read. I didn't even have to look up any words.
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>>135580193
It's not that advanced, every VN is going to have a couple lines that are harder than the rest when certain topics pop up. Even Flyable Heart has the sci-fi stuff. The closest you'll come to something with no hard lines is garbage like 人妻スイミング倶楽部. If you keep your head above water it gets a lot easier.
> I can already tell my over-reliance on text hooking is going to fuck me.
Pro advice: Just don't move on until you can re-read the line without using a texthooker. If you do that you'll force yourself to actually comprehend the word unstead of over-rely on the texthooker.
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>>135573258
I'd love to see her being worn down and broken like dirty rag.
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The distinction between "advanced" and "beginner" VNs is hard to make, because in the end it's all Japanese and not a whole lot of VNs actually deviate a lot from the norm. Usually, difficult comes down to the consistency of the vocabulary level as well as the variety and level of topics discussed (which in turn leads to more vocabulary. It's tempting to say "VNs with harder grammar" but really the only time grammar is a issue (in terms of being more advanced or more beginner) is when the topics are so alien even familiar grammar becomes difficult to understand (due to lack of context) because otherwise it'll still all just be normal Japanese you see everywhere.

It also seems to me that beginners can still benefit from reading advanced VNs. Since the problem mostly comes down to vocabulary, reading harder stuff essentially will serve as a funnel of vocabulary.
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Man, why is learning new kanji so exciting? I get such a doki doki feeling in my chest whenever I come across a new one while reading.
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>>135580193
There were a bunch of words that I didn't know, but I correctly guessed all of their readings, except for 衛星. I can feel my Japanese getting better all the time.
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>>135580755
Enjoy it while it lasts.
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>彼らの予測によれば、包囲態勢下におかれた帝国軍は、多数の敵に対する防御本能に身をゆだね、戦線を縮小させて密集体形をとるはずだった
Every time I read a full line in LOGH without looking anything up I feel pretty intelligent.
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>>135580913
I already know nearly 2400 hundred, I don't think it's going away. In fact I really only started feeling this way after I had already learned 2000 or so.
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>>135581002
>2400 hundred
*2400
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>>135580915
>LOGH
>hard
m8

Try reading Aslan Senki.

If you can read it without stopping to look things up you can pass N1
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>>135581040
no he literally means 240000

quite the feat
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>>135581139
>he

I was correcting myself, but are there even 240000 kanji in existence? I though even with obscure Chinese dictionaries the total was only around 80000.
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>>135581002
I'm at 2,900 ish and I know what you mean, there's a certain novelty to seeing a new one.

However, I don't like actually learning them.People say learning kanji becomes automatic after 2,500 or whatever but I disagree. It's easy to learn something like 偲ぶ for obvious reasons but something like 渓 isn't really easy (or hard), it's just like learning the first kanji, tedious and time consuming.
>>135581121
I didn't say it was hard (though if you call LOGH easy you're obviously looking at it from a "learned" perspective rather than a "learner" perspective), just that I feel intelligent. Not only due to whatever difficulty it has, but also just due to the subject matter and the fact I'm reading it in a second language.

I have Arslan Senki, and didn't read past the first page which was quite an experience.
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>>135581121
I picked a random page of Arslan Senki (because I remembered the Prologue of LOGH being way harder than the bulk of the text) and true to form, I don't think pic related is that much more difficult than LOGH. I mean, it's the same author after all. Why do you think it's harder than LOGH enough to point it out?
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>>135581309
Shit man that looks nothing like my physical copy, maybe I have a different version.
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>>135581364
That's page 204. The beginning (pic related) is a lot different.
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Reminder to all newfags that it is impossible to learn a new language if you are 25 or older
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>>135581460
Thanks for the tip broski
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Is it a bad habit to read the sentence without problems but still look up a word with a texthooker just to be sure you got it right?
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>>135581460
Cool; I just started 5 months ago at age 29. I'm sure glad you posted that so that I know that I am wasting my time.
本当にありがとうお兄ちゃん (^。^)!
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>>135581550
時間の無駄から諦めろ。お礼は不要
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I didn't even know Japanese had accent marks.

Learn something new everyday, I guess.
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>>135581460
Reminder that it's also literally impossible to get married if you are 25 or older.
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>>135581600
諦めませんよ
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>>135578125
Of course you cannot learn Japanese by only doing Anki. Anki is there to build up your vocabulary so you don't have to look up words all the time, not to teach you grammar or provide you with reading practice.

I doubt that anyone believes that they can learn Japanese solely through Anki.
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>>135581901
It's a dialect from osaka
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>>135581981
I did.
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>>135579356
In my bed, or on the bus, or anywhere else I go with my manga.
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Guys my mom just had to take me to our family doctor because I got a UTI from my onahole.
KEEP YOUR ONAHOLE CLEAN.
I'm not talking a quick rinse under the sink, you need to use a mild soap and clean it GOOD, make sure it's dry before you put it up. It could happen to you.
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>>135581901
now this is shitposting
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>>135582019
Why do you constantly post your shitty collection of tard media?
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>>135582010
tanjikandekonokakikomiworikaishirokonokusoga

>he can't read romaji
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>>135582064
Why not? What's wrong with posting Japanese manga in a thread about learning Japanese?

Also, your taste in manga is shit.
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>>135582019
Remember when your communism mug set off a whole argument about capitalism?
>>135582023
>tfw burns when i pee
>tfw not changing underwear or showering for a month straight may have given me a uti
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>>135582106
I just hate him and his small, shitty collection.
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>>135582023
I really don't understand the point of onaholes. They feel good, but the hassle of set-up and clean-up means I'd rather just use my hand.

It's easier to put in a fucking aneros than it is to use an onahole.
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>>135581981
>Anki is there to build up your vocabulary so you don't have to look up words all the time, not to teach you grammar or provide you with reading practice.
That's why one of the most useful decks in the CoR is a Japanese grammar deck.
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>>135582023
僕のチンポは小さいになりしました。
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>>135581901
Amazing.
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>>135582136
>Still can't get anything out of the aneros.
Either I'm not gay enough or I need a bigger dildo.
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Can we stop this learning japanese is possible meme?
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>>135582120
I do.

I still don't understand why people are so sensitive when it comes to communism.

>>135582135
You seem to have some anger issues if you hate someone over the fact that they post images on an anonymous imageboard.
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>>135582182
I'm pretty sick of it, too. We all know that it's impossible for someone over the age of 5 to learn a second language, and that the only way to consume Japanese media is through the blessed offerings from our fan translator gods. I can't imagine anyone being dissatisfied with something run through Google translate, or translated from Chinese or Korean, or random guesses. After all, it's a free product, you can't complain.
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>>135573619
>The problem is, I think I'm burning out: too much things to do, too little time. Does some of you study and work? How do you manage to study japanese too?

No, as soon as I entered my major (physics) I had to quit my part time job. I even tried a getting another job over summer quarter and it was still too much for me. I commend people who can work and do Uni at the same time, but I cannot do that. So instead I'm just a broke-ass who studies all the time.
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Will a uti go away on it's own?
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>>135582278
If you don't get antibiotics your dick might fall off.
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What font do you all use to read nip on your browsers?
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>>135582606
300% zoom works well.
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You often see people say you need to know about ~2000 kanji to be able to read things. But what does it really mean to know a kanji? The standalone reading and meaning? All the kunyomi? Every word it's a part of?
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>>135583040
Being able to understand what the sentence means and read it properly if that kanji is in the sentence.
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>>135583040
>But what does it really mean to know a kanji?
This is a question I've asked people every now and then and you get a range of answer. For some reason on DJT you also tend to get a lot of angry responses, but I guess that comes with the territory.
Personally, to 'know' a character, I should be able to recall and write it from memory, recognise it across multiple fonts and in handwriting, with the ability to comfortably correctly read the common words it is found in. You could also extend that final aspect to being able to recall the common ways it is pronounced, in isolation, and relate these different pronunciations to words they are commonly found in.
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>>135583040
You actually don't need more than around 600+ vocab (around 10 words per kanji) to read simple LNs
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>>135583040
. ~2000 Kanji is the exact number of the top ~2000 most used Kanji. These kanji are used in words and names that occur frequently. They do not include all the Kanji that you are likely to see. For that you would need around 3000 or 4000 to be safe. You do not need to know every reading and meaning as some of those can be obscure, just like you don't need to know every kanji to be able to comfortably read. Dictionaries exist.
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My shitty ex girlfriend (Japanese) made me associate Japanese with bad things.

Super polite introductions to her parents who got mad at me anyway because I seemed impolite, and they thought I didn't care enough about her.

She got angry with me when she tried to tell me about her stupid high school girl drama in full speed casual Japanese after I had studied for just 6 months (She spoke English just fine, and never bothered to learn my native language... )

Messaged or spoke to me in Japanese when she got angry. And she got angry like every single day. Wanted more dick, wanted less dick, tired of me not talking with people in my class, tired of me talking too much with people in my class so I couldn't message her and so on. So during those months, I only really associated Japanese with lengthy and very difficult fights, anger and my daily struggles with Japanese.

So yeah, that was fun.

Also, I'm two years in and I still can't enjoy anything in Japanese. I mean, it's getting closer. Two years ago I understood nothing, and now I can read Yotsuba and understand simple videos and play simple games and google things and talk with Japanese people every day, but damn it still takes a long time. 6 months ago, it took me two hours to reply to a long message on LINE(20-30 lines of text in portrait mode), and I had to look up so many words. Now it takes maybe 15 minutes if I'm lucky and I know most of the words, but I've realised that I am only able to do this in context. If I begin talking with a new person or if somebody comes up to me on the street and talks to me, I almost literally die. That's pretty disheartening. Will I ever become fluent at Japanese? I still butcher my English from time to time, and I've been speaking that every day for the past 10 years. It just seems so far away, but at least I don't HATE Japanese anymore like I used to because of my ex.
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>>135583467
Where do I subscribe?
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>>135583467
That's what you get for sticking your dick in 3DPD.
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>>135583467
自分語り乙
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>>135583513
>>135583545
>>135583557
There's no way this garbage isn't just a repost from Reddit or something. Quit taking it seriously.
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>>135583467
Nice blog anon.
Get over your girlfriend already and get some new Japanese friends.
Want to talk to stupid people? : http://www.skypechannel.net/
Even stupider people: http://chatpad.jp/
Normal: http://www.japan-guide.com/
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>>135583576
bingo!
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>>135583467
To overcome your problems you must fix their root.

You must eat your ex-girlfriend's beating heart in order to move on.
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Fuck NYR-fags, bloggers, and ledditors. What compelling content are you enjoying right now?
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>>135583467
You must release all this anger one way or another.
Go find a Japanese girl and rape her. Yes, rape her and let every thrust of your dick release a week's worth of built up negative feelings.
It may sound a bit harsh, but ultimately, your well-being matters more than that of some random Japanese stranger.
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>>135583576
>Quit taking it seriously.
I didn't.
Aside, what makes you feel free to other people how to respond to something?

>>135583618
That would taste pretty foul. Wouldn't it be easier to cut off her head, make a broth with it, and ladle it out to homeless people? That's what one of the Chinese noodle places nearby does, only they do it with stray pets and charge you a few bucks for it.
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>>135583040

>You often see people say you need to know about ~2000 kanji to be able to read things

I hope nobody actually believes that, there's a big difference between being able to read something and being able to read something without ever encountering something new.
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>>135583784
Trying to get though the monogatari series
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>>135583784
>complains about memeshit while posting memeshit
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I have so much money saved up it's spilling out of my eyeballs.

I feel swallowing a "fuck it" pill and burning $150 on Rosetta Stone, is that a bad idea?
I realize this will earn me permanent stereotypical weeb status and get me laughed at by normies which will never fail to piss me off...but I reeeeally wanna watch my gook cartoons with max enjoyment and no subs. The thought just seems so...comfy. And you all seem to be enjoying yourselves immensely.

Amazon's open in another tab. Should I do it, /a/?
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>>135582120
Is burning when you pee a bad sign? I get that when taking a piss right after masturbating.
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>>135584153
Do it.
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>>135584153
It's a terrible idea because Rosetta Stone is godawful.
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>>135584153
If you have that much money then pay me to tutor you, I'm broke but can speak Japanese. Win win right?
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>>135584153
That's a fantastic idea anon.
You should definitely go ahead and purchase Rosetta Stone!
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>>135584153
You should do it, but remember to get a Wanikani subscription too so you can learn the moon runes once your done with Rosetta Stone.
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>>135584153
>>135583467
Daily reminder that any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe they are in good company
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>>135584153
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What the fuck djt advocates rape now?
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>>135584305
The guy who said that is now dead. Do you want to end up like him?
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>>135584153
>>135584278
Don't forget to buy the Pimsleur tapes as well. You'll be able to talk to Japanese QT's in no time.
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>>135584340
How can you hope to learn Japanese without raping?
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>>135584153
>I feel swallowing a "fuck it" pill and burning $150 on Rosetta Stone, is that a bad idea?

Its not a bad idea, but its not the best idea.
I know exactly one person personally who can watch anime with no sub, and is also entirely self taught.

What you should do is:
1. Follow the fucking guide and get a minimal understanding of the basics.

2. Do what my friend did and go through VNs with voices, repeating every line until the words are burned in your head.

This sounds like work, because it is. However, Rosetta stone will probably teach how no to die if you wind up in a Western Mountain Town (if you could understand their accent). Which is actually much more simple, in most cases, than your average 5 minutes in any anime. Not by much, but it is.
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>>135584305
Ah, said by Elbert Instine I believe.
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>>135584340
What? I thought everyone here only learn Japanese so they can understand the Japanese women we rape?
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>>135584420
someone doesn't????????
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>>135583814
What if she comes back to find me and rape me to get rid of her negative feelings?
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>HAHAHA RAPE IS SO FUNNY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT HAS BEEN RAPED
Fuck this thread, I'm done.
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>>135584520
I feel like I watched an old japanese movie about this: Raping, I think was the title.
Seriously. I think it was made in the 70s or 80s.
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>>135584540
What did you expect, internet is filled with retards.
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>>135584540
BUT I'VE BEEN FART-RAPED
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>>135584540
Stop it anon, you're raping me.
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>>135584573
犯す!
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>>135584418
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine."
- Abraham Lincoln
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>>135584540
Back to tumblr
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>>135584540
Rape is still funny even after you've been raped.
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>>135584520
You're a man, you should be able to handle that and rape her again if she tries something funny.
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>>135584540
>Fuck this thread, I'm done.
I found a new learning source for you, you can thank me later.
http://www.tofugu.com/2012/06/05/misogynistic-kanji/
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>>135584305
>eventually
anon

it's

2016

4chan was flooded by idiots in 2011 and passed the point of no return
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>>135584853
>好
Isn't this actually from chinese where it actually refers to having both a daughter and a son (子) is good?
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>>135584540
>>135584576
>>135584587
this site is literally reddit
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>>135584853
Thanks for reminding me to add it to the blacklist of shit sites unworthy of traffic.

>>135584920
You're confusing 2011 with 2007, surprise-box friend.
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>>135584920
things were no better then
you've been idolizing things
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>>135584997
>>135585035
No this place was only ebaumsworld tier back in 2011, it has gotten noticeably worse.
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>>135585035
4chan was far more enjoyable in 2005 then it is now.
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>>135584920
I still have a lot of screencaps of posts back pre-2006. The shit posted back then wasn't any better.
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>>135585121
Because you were 10 years old back then, and you have some kind of nostalgic connection to what seemed like fun at the time.
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>>135573862
I know this is late but holy shit
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>>135585120
>it has gotten noticeably worse.
It's been downhill since the vans exploded. There was a time when people understood how to use the sage function, for starters.

>>135585147
Yes it was, but please run along to ED to fish out screencaps of a time you weren't part of.
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>>135585192
>Because you were 10 years old back then
I was 17.
Keep projecting, you'll hit the target eventually.
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>>135585120
>>135585121
enjoyable is subjective
you could enjoy shit, I surely do not
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>>135585284
You weren't there.
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>>135585282
You understand what I'm implying though. The fact that you were only 17 just reinforces my point.
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>>135585326
you were?
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Geass sundays were the best part of /a/.
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Hey guys

guys

I just lost the game
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>January 2nd
>already missed a day of practice

2016 isn't looking too good
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>>135585331
>The fact that you were only 17 just reinforces my point.
No it doesn't. You're trying to imply this is some obfuscation by rose tinted glasses. You'd be wrong.
The site has changed dramatically in very objective ways. For a valid insinuation of nostalgia it would have to be a fair comparison, but it's not. The population of posters has grown dramatically; core functions of the site has been removed to make it easier for outsiders to post; generals are now not only common place but protected; legacy boards are buzzing hiveminds full of angry snowflake gen z kids.
These add to an experience shaped by objective measures.

>>135585360
Yes. SA never interested me and world2ch faded out. 4chan.net was the next best thing on a clearweb.
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Does anyone know how to make Anki actually wait for the due time before showing a flashcard? The intervals I use are 1 10 30, but they tend to show up way before 10 or 30 minutes have passed.
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>>135585870
Set learn ahead limit to 0.
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>>135586001
Thanks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rEipQSMPqM
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No matter which border you live within, all people are the same at heart.
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>>135586614
>we are all the same inside

Please stop.
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>>135586717
All equal before the eyes of God
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>>135586717

Really, though. The whole

>if: sex =! female
>leave
>else
>stay

thing is so cross-cultural it's ridiculous.
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>>135582139
>a Japanese grammar deck
Which?
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Hah. Rakuten's promotion got extended again.
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>>135586614
>>135586852
The Japanese guy actually said something though, English speakers just leave.
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>>135586858
DOJG
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>>135586852
You'll find a gay jap one day fuckboi.
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>>135586852
I'm surprised he would even take the time to say goodbye, people usually just disconnect.
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>>135585382
>ゲアス日曜日は/エー/の最高のところだったぞ

どうだ、俺の日本語術?
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Hey, everyone. I self-teach using a couple of different books (Japanese Demystified is the backbone and I supplement it with a Japanese grammar handbook). One of my Japanese students (I'm an ESL teacher) tutors me once a week but he went back to Japan for winter break.

I just learned this structure.

What's the difference between, say, "先生のクラスは難しい" and "先生はクラスが難しいです" ?
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>>135586895
That's just one guy though, if you go on omegle or whatever you'll meet people who say goodbye
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>>135586717
Race is only skin deep, my friend.
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>>135586903

Ah, that. I see three DOJG decks, though, which one is preferred?
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>>135587033
Here is your reply.
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>>135586995
>"先生はクラスが難しいです" ?
This one is grammatically incorrect in every possible way.
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>>135587100

Scratch that, I'm retarded. There are two PDF folder links.
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>>135587122
Sorry. Like I said, I just learned the structure today so I'm not surprised if I'm butchering it.
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>>135587122
Couldn't it mean that that the class is difficult for the teacher? (Where the other sentence says that the teacher's class is hard.)
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>>135586903
Thanks.
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>>135586995
The first sentence is statement about sensei's class and the second is a statement about sensei. They convey pretty much the same information though. Also, the second one sounds very unnatural, if you could even consider it grammatical. That structure is very limited in terms of how it's used in practice. Usually you only use it with some predetermined Y's and Z's like 先生は背が高い.
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>>135587174
Ah, I see. Yours was one of the sample sentences, but the book didn't specify that the usage was rare outside of that structure.

有難うございます。
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>>135587298
Hmm, so that's what arigatou looks like in kanji. Neat.
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>>135586614
Next time reply ある意味で and report results
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>>135587335
I studied Chinese before I started Japanese, so kanji come more naturally to me. I actually have no idea how someone without Chinese background would make sense of them.
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>>135587385
Probably just like how you made sense of them when first starting your studies of Chinese?

It's not so bad; I used Heisig's RTK which helped me.
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>tfw nearing 200 leeched words
Maybe I will move them to a new deck, do 5 of them a day, and write them extensively.
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>>135587385
You just have to learn them little by little. It's no biggie. I also wonder how you would deal with the trouble of changing from Chinese simplified characters to kanji. It's certainly easier than learning it all from scratch, but it must be a pain in the ass.
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Is it okay if I ask for help in here?
I got some problems with this panel.
The girl has been asked to get in a car but she is hesitating.

>お兄さんの友達なんだし...
>ここで揉めて知り合いに
>見られると説明に困るし


So if I understand it correctly, she is listing 2 reasons why she should get in the car. The first one is that it is a friend of "onii-san", but I don't understand the second one (line two and three).
Is she saying that if she says no it might hinder her from getting to know the person? Or is she saying that if she resists and someone sees them it might be hard to explain what they are doing? It is the "見られる" that is throwing me off.
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Reminder that 500 words is a good spot to start reading more than anything. You have enough words if you did frequency.
700 or 1k if you did grade level.
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>>135587487
>Probably just like how you made sense of them when first starting your studies of Chinese?
I guess. But my Chinese studies took place in a classroom (with a really good teacher, I might add) while my Japanese has been self-taught.

My original plan was to teach English in China but I taught there for a couple of months in 2012. Never again. Beijing was nice, I'll admit. Now I've set my sights on Japan instead.

Anyway, less blog and more language; some of the kanji would be difficult if not for my background. It's easier to break them into easy-to-remember parts if you know the Chinese pieces. 意 for example is "stand over sun over heart".

>>135587620
>Chinese simplified characters
Disgusting. My teacher was Taiwanese so I learned traditional.

Japanese kanji use some of both, though, such as the 学 in 高学. Traditional is 學.
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>>135587676
Reminder that 0 words and Tae Kim under your belt is enough to start reading.
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>>135587640
If I get into a fight here and it's seen by my acquaintances , explaining it will be troubling.
に marks the "doer" of a passive verb
知り合いに見られる
seen by acquaintances
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>>135587676
Kana and basic knowledge of particles is enough.
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>>135587711
>>Chinese simplified characters
>Disgusting
I like you.

>Japanese kanji use some of both, though, such as the 学 in 高学. Traditional is 學.
Yeah, but Japanese simplified doesn't look half as ugly as Chinese.
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This convo went somewhat better.
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>>135587711
>It's easier to break them into easy-to-remember parts if you know the Chinese pieces. 意 for example is "stand over sun over heart".
You can do that even if you don't know Chinese. In fact, even if you're not doing a radical-based approach, eventually you can't help but break them apart in familiar components.
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You can start "reading" at any point. Hell, read to learn kana, should be good practice!

The question isn't when you *CAN* start reading. When reading is something as ill defined as "looking at Japanese text and attempting to understand it through outside help" then you can start reading before you even start studying Japanese. The question is, in fact, when is reading beneficial, efficiency and constructive. The answer to that, of course, varies from person to person. Core2k + Tae Kim is a good catch all net. Anything more than that is just personal bias and experiences speaking, not actually helpful advice.
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Reminder guys: Dreams come true.
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How much have you read so far?

I have read:
185 volumes of manga
10 light novels
2 visual novels

Of course I've been twice that amount of time browsing 2ch and the internet.
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>>135587841
>ほんをやりたい
Uh anon
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I'm a beginner
What I'm supposed to do here?
(That's anki for Android btw)
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>>135587640
>ここで揉めて
Get into a quarrel here
>知り合いに見られる
Being seen by somebody I know
>説明に困る
Will be hard to explain.
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>>135587965
yeah, I tried to say play games and read books but I left out read because I'm an idiot
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>>135587948
>>135587841
No one cares, fuck off.
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>>135587734
>>135587788
How many people actually do this? It seems like it'd be extremely frustrating.
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>>135588001
Kill yourself you piece of shit.
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>>135588018
Woah, son. Way to attack a gentleman.
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>>135587950
I have a notepad of everything I've read, excluding ero-manga chapters and CG sets though I stopped fapping to those because nukige are better.

15 volumes of manga
28 visual novels
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>>135587950
23例文
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>>135588001
I thought it was pretty heartwarming and it makes me look forward to the day that I will be able to communnicate with awkward japanese people.
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>>135587991
See if you know what the word means, click show answer, then click the appropriate button depending on whether you got it right or not and on how easy it was to remember the meaning of the word. If it's your first time seeing the card just click show answer, remember it well, then click good.
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>>135587756
Oh okay that makes sense.
Thanks a lot for the good explanation.

>>135587991
You are suppose to translate that sentence in your head, then you press "Show answer" to see if you did it correctly. You will be presented with 3-4 different options of how hard you thought the question was, and that will determine how long time will pass before you get asked about the same sentence again.
Think of it as a deck of cards, with questions written on one side and the answer on the back of the card. Pressing "show answer" flips the card to reveal the answer. It is up to you to decide how hard that particular card was.
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>>135588018
You don't need to post every little thing you do, you're just being an attention whore.
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>>135588057
Well, I can barely communicate. My grammar is a mess(see >>135587996)
but the way I see it is that if I just try, even if I suck, I'll improve a lot more than I would if I never try to just throw myself into it.
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>>135587991
Did you randomize word order? You shouldn't be seeing that word so early.
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>>135580193
>I can already tell my over-reliance on text hooking is going to fuck me.
stop doing core, make your new deck a custom deck of entirely imported words from your vn's

literally the solution
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>>135588108
That's not me, and I don't see what's wrong with sharing conversation practice with native speakers. He's hardly being an attention whore when his posts convey almost nothing about himself.
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>>135588110
>even if I suck, I'll improve a lot more than I would if I never try to just throw myself into it.
I'm pretty sure your grammar will only improve by reading/listening to native material, and by being corrected by natives. Simply speaking will not really improve your grammar because you're just reinforcing your own misunderstandings. Practicing speaking will help you speak, but if you "know" the grammar to begin with you're not going to get much benefit from it, so you'll just be practicing bad speaking.
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>>135588007
I started reading midway through tae-kim with something like 300 kanji and 600 words under my belt. Shit was hard, but extremely effective as a study method.
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>>135588056
>例文
私も例文しか読みません。
^I fucked that sentence up, right? Could someone please enlighten me; I was trying to say I also only read example sentences.
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>>135588172
>but if you "know" the grammar
if you don't know*
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>>135588160
He is only posting it here to receive attention. That is why normies do anything, to receive attention. He is probably in love with the image or idea of learning Japanese than actually learning Japanese. He should go post it on reddit or something instead where they encourage that behavior.
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>>135588096
>>135588104
thanks for the explanation
does this deck assume i know already something? I only know kana
>>135588117
will check for this
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>>135587734
How are you going to learn grammar without any words at all? checkmate
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>>135588234
>does this deck assume i know already something?
It assumes you understand how kanji function in relations to words and readings. If you haven't already, read through the beginning of Tae Kim's *grammar* guide so you know what's going on.

Also, you may want to look into other methods of learning Kanji, core2k/6k does NOT hold your hand when it comes to kanji, you may find yourself wanting to study radicals or learn the Remembering the Kanji method to help.
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>>135588275
You win this round.
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>>135588234
No. It expects you to learn each new word you see carefully. How you do that is up to you. Some people like to write them down a few times. I think that's a great idea cause it encourages you to learn stroke order, which is useful when reading handwriting and weird fonts, and you'll also learn to look at kanji properly (i.e. in terms of its components) sooner.
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>>135588172
Well, it's not like I read a chapter of grammar and then stopped. I read grammar, read Japanese and then try out my knowledge with speaking.

If you don't actually try to articulate yourself and practice writing and speaking while you learn, you're missing out. You don't wait until you've learned all the vocab and grammar to speak and write. It's an active process.

>>135588233
Jesus Christ, man. I just thought it would be interesting to post a few pics of a convo. Chill the fuck out.
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>>135587950

~20 volumes of manga
~200 doujinshi
7 VNs
2 JRPG

In about the last 6 months
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>>135588233

Just because you never got any positive attention from anyone doesn't mean lashing out at others who do is the answer, anon. Calm your hurt ass, you're the only one here who cares.
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>>135588192
How about: 私も例文しか読んだことがない
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>>135588007
It was a bit frustrating adding 200+ words per day on Anki, but it got better eventually.
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>>135588192
It was perfect.
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>>135588233
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>>135588301
>Jesus Christ, man. I just thought it would be interesting to post a few pics of a convo. Chill the fuck out.
Is this supposed to be a parody of what a normalfag would say, or is this actually your response?
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>>135588301
>If you don't actually try to articulate yourself and practice writing and speaking while you learn, you're missing out.
Sure, but I don't think it's going to help you get better very much. I remember a Steve video where he said that he doesn't even try and speak until he can understand what people say. That makes sense to me, if you get what it's implying.
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>>135588343
Thank you very much; I never would have thought to use that construction just by reading through a grammar book.
I suppose I'll just need to read more to get used to what is the common way of saying different things.
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>>135588430
Did you type this post with intention? Like, double meaning? Subtext?
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>>135588297
OK thanks reading tae kim right now
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>>135588430
http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=%E3%81%9F%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8%E3%81%8C%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84
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For those of you who have made it/semi made it. Is 2ch more fun than 4chan?
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>>135588503
Not even close.
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>>135588430
That sentence means something likely different.

>私も例文しか読みません。
I only read example sentences.

>私も例文しか読んだことがない
I have never read anything besides example sentences.
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>>135588503
Surely you meant futaba.
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>>135588503
No the Japanese internet for the most part is just a worse version of the English internet. The only exception is for things that are only popular in Japan like visual novel discussion. Even anime sites and discussion are better in English.
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>>135588415

Not that guy but man, I hate to break it to you anon, but a widely-known and active anonymous board anyone can post in at any given time is not the super secret clubhouse that you seem think it is.
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>>135588503
>4chan
retarded shitposters and children
>2ch
retarded shitposters and salarymen
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>>135588547

Does anyone even post in that place, I remember checking it out at one point and it looked dead as hell.
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>友達になりたい人はいますか?
>友達になりたい人がいますか?
>友達になりたい人いますか?

Which is the most correct? Options one and two both sound weird to me.

I'm just looking for a "Is there anyone who would like to. . ." construction. The given sentence was just an example.
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>>135588503
No, it generally sucks. 2chan is even shittier. I still lurk 2ch occasionally, but I rarely ever bother checking 2chan.
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>>135588606
Or rather いませんか
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>>135588558
Fuck off, your kind already has facebook.
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http://jan.2chan.net/may/webm/src/1451379973179.webm
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>>135588458
No, what?

>>135588546
I see, so I wasn't necessarily wrong and google translate is just terrible. However, I do prefer the second sentence's meaning/way it was phrased.
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>>135588803
It's just that there was a discussion going about whether production actually helps with grammar (>>135588172) and then you go and make a post saying exactly that you need to read to improve your production. Good timing.
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>>135588546
>likely
slightly*
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>>135587950
3 volumes of Yotsuba
2 VNs
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>>135587950
5 volumes of Yotsuba
A quarter of Hanahira.
A chapter of Sanarara.
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>>135588830
Oh, I was aware of that conversation; maybe I did that subconsciously. 面白い (^、^ )
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>>135588726

I don't have a facebook account, I'm as NEET as it probably gets. But even I'm not such a naive and bitter idiot that I think we're in some members-only circlejerk of social outcasts that's closed to the outside world on the /a/ board of 4chan of all places.
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>>135588472
oh I also resolved the problem by using anki on my laptop
/blog
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>>135588726
Man, at least try to hold your autism back a bit. It's pretty fucking embarrassing.
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It's gotten to the point where 4chan's hostility is more comical than anything. It's like watching lemmings run off a cliff. Angry, lonely people with no self esteem compelled by some profound phenomenon to make upset posts on the internet.
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>>135588606
Anyone?
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>>135589164
Nah, I watched
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhx6IfKrvEQ
and after that I see everything in a whole new light. I used to, maybe, get angry, and I'd reply to >>135589025 EXACTLY like >>135589176 , but now I don't even feel anything but amusement, like how one would laugh at a child throwing a tantrum rather than seriously try to engage them.
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Word of the day: 萌やしっ子

そういうギスギスとした娘って、「萌やしっ子」って言うと少し可愛く見えてきますよね
別にロリコンじゃありませんよ、あくまで見守りたいという感じの話です
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Answer truthfully:
http://strawpoll.me/6432769
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>>135589233
Except you literally posted >>135589176 rephrased as a reddit post right here: >>135589121 or are you too blind to see you're literally doing what you are pretending what you're above doing. Looking forward to your response about how you don't respond.
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>>135589359
The difference is that I'm not angry. I didn't say that I'm above the whole thing, obviously I'm still here. It's just that now, I find it funny, as opposed to taking it seriously.
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>>135589317
No. Was one for the past 3 years until 6 months ago though.
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>>135589425
That's exactly what someone who's angry would say.
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>>135589317
Most of the people voting yes don't know what a NEET is and probably go to school or have a part time job or are just taking a temporary break from those things.
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>>135589474
You're free to project anger on me if you want. I won't mind.
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>>135589359
>>135589425
いい加減にしろ!

>>135589304
Can we have a word of the day for beginners?
雪:そらで寒い物
;)
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>>135589121
I thought the hostility was tongue in cheekjust a joke or tongue-in-cheek in the first place
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>>135589563
No, I really hate you.
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>>135589233
>why I left 4chan
>first point
>I can't find muh weeb pictures on 4chan even though it's literally the worst possible site to ever do that, and only a moron would use it for such a thing
>second point
>I don't like having no sense of identity
Is there anything worse than people who are completely clueless making videos about things they don't understand? Granted, I should have turned off when he said he enjoyed TTGL stickies and fucking Japan Time, but still.
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>>135589535
>雪:そらで寒い物
Why didn't you take a definition from an actual Japanese dictionary?
>>135589563
I don't think so
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>>135589525
Nah, I haven't left the house in three years, man. I've got to give you credit for being a dick, though.
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>>135589535
What the fuck do you mean by そらで寒い物?
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>>135589233
>Oh boy, I can't wait to see what happens on, /a/, today
That's me everyday since 2008.
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>>135589563
Telling off-boarders to fuck off =/= telling someone's taste is shit. There's all different kinds of hostility.
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>>135589625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrative_complexity
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>>135589534
That's exactly what someone who's angry would say.
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>>135589631
>Why didn't you take a definition from an actual Japanese dictionary?
Because that would be too difficult?

>>135589652
Just having some fun, silly. :)
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>>135587164
>Couldn't it mean that that the class is difficult for the teacher?
先生にはクラスが難しいです by itself would communicate such but 先生はクラスが難しいです can be part of a larger statement or conversation. It isn't grammatically incorrect in every possibly way and I'm not really sure why anon stated that.
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>>135589637
Did you vote yes 13 times in the poll? Or can you not read English?
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>>135587950
couple thousand volumes of manga
~30 light novels
~15 novels

I just bought 45 novels so I'll read those too.
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>>135589687
Would it?
>雲の中で水蒸気が昇華し、成長した氷の結晶となって降ってくる白いもの。また、それが降り積もったもの。結晶は六方対称形が多いが、気温や水蒸気の量により形はいろいろ変わる
Well, point taken I guess
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>>135589525
I'm a legit NEET. Graduated college, NEET for 2-3 years, went back to graduate school and got a master's degree, then NEET for 3-4 more years. If only I'd been more serious about Japanese back then, I'd be fluent by now.
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>>135589233
Wow that was an awful rant. It's just a guy who grew out of 4chan. There was also a lot of projection going on.
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>>135589121

It's because back in the day assholes were simply a natural consequence of anonymity, but over time people started forcing it in order to fit in. Plus it's a basic human need to feel like you belong in some greater whole, so you get miserable guys who are bitter at society trying to band together and build an identity out of their failures, lashing out at their perceived enemy.

Unfortunately for them, as much as they like to pretend otherwise, most people here tend to just be anti-social introverts who like their animus and video games instead of constantly angry human garbage.
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>>135589535
別に、高レベル向けのつもりではありません
「雪」みたいな平凡な言葉を出したら面白くないでしょう
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>>135589724
>です
>after い adjective
gozaru gozaru gozaru
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>>135589736
>har har har, i'm so cool that my presumptuous and baseless assumptions must be right, even when i'm presented with evidence to the contrary
Go back to school, you fratboy prick.
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>>135589829
I think there were two key points relevant to DJT in particular which is why it resonated with me.
1- "Why are you on 4chan? What do you want from it"? In terms of DJT, I just want discussion of learning Japanese. I don't get it though, most of it is arguments such as this very one, and I often participated in arguments. So, that resonated with me.
2- "Efficiency. How many of you put off things just to spend time on 4chan?" That resonated with me because many times I end up on DJT instead of reading a manga or studying. I know other people are the same too because I see tons of posts about people tabbing out of anki and wasting time here instead of just finishing. So, resonating.

I keep re-opening the thread after I close it.
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>>135589736
The amount of NEETs here is probably a lot higher than most other threads, and miles above general population levels.

There probably are faggots NEETing it up for the weekend, but I'd say at least 25-50% of people here are actual NEETs. You need time to learn a language, and most workers don't want to come home and do more work.
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I'm a NEET on weekends and on breaks.
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>>135589928
You're completely clueless. The reason you're "putting off" other stuff is because other stuff is less interesting than 4chan.

"What do you want from 4chan?" If you're looking for anything aside from entertainment, you're as dumb as the guy in the video.

I don't come here to talk about learning Japanese. I come here to be entertained by people talking about learning Japanese. Maybe one day you'll understand the difference.
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>>135589853
えと… I will reply to this in a couple months when I understand it.
>high level --somethingsomething- intent does not exist. "snow" something-appearing-like word if put out isn't interesting, right?

All right, back to Tae Kim, I guess.
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>>135589928
Then why don't you just leave? This is the projecting part I was talking about. The guy realized he didn't like 4chan assumed this was the case for most people here.

He toke things way out of proportion too. The roreny threads things really show this because those were kicked off /a/ for being self-hating blogging threads(I think they're on /r9k/ now). They were clearly a minority.
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>>135589854
Back to Japanese 101 with you, idiot.
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>>135589854
すごいですね
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>>135590131
Don't fall for the Tae Kim meme, Genki is more your style.
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>>135589928
Are you the kind of people who came to 4chan just for DJT in the first place?
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>>135590152
>taking college classes

No wonder you don't know Japanese.
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Help me out here, what is this gook saying?
my.mixtape.moe/uckyiy.wav

Something something 土曜日は ** 模試よね 調子はどう?
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>>135590579
すごいですね
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>>135590579
It's a manner of speech, idiot.
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>>135590210
Are you calling me バカ, せんぱい?
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>>135590593
統一?
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>>135578125
It's not. You can add example sentences and sounds.
If your talking about dem vocab decks, then still no, but you have to supplement them with "real" Japanese.
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>>135590579
Being honest here, I never took a language course when I was in college. But I'm still curious as to how effective a Japanese language class would be in teaching the language. Would it be more efficient time-wise or is it pretty much just the same only they hold your hand more?
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>>135590830
It takes 6 years of college courses to be ready for N1.

Make of that what you will.
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>>135590830
It's pretty much just an insanely slow version, but grammar is a little easier.

Anki is entirely about efficiency. Classroom learning is all about schedules and hoping students do the homework.
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>>135580193
>It's cute so far, I feel like such a piece of shit for taking an hour to read 5 minutes in though.
That's normal. It's always gonna be like this. You'll either conclude it's impossible or eventually you'll make it.
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>>135590896
If you're going to make up shit at least pick a time frame that fits a degree time frame that exists for a BA.
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>>135590830
Most colleges take 2 years to get through Genki 1 + 2. They are ridiculously slow.
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>>135590070
I guess the problem is that the entertainment derived from 4chan is kind of brainless, just having your attention taken up; all that you end up doing is wasting time, not really being entertained.
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>>135590830
It's not that effective time wise but you will learn stuff.
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>>135589782
>華
Except for this those are all grade 6 and below kanji.
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>>135590965
>BA
>N1
hahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I can't add the DOJG deck to Anki, I keep getting a message about the "notes having changed", solutions?
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>>135590965
4 years worth of undergrad courses to get to N2 level (lol), and then you have to take "advanced" graduate level courses to learn N1 material, I assume that's what he meant.
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>>135590980
If you're not being entertained, if you're just killing time, then why here?
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>>135590980
This doesn't mean anything. If I'm entertained then it's not a waste of time.
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>>135591008
That's the point, retard. There are no six year degrees for Japanese.
>>135591037
So you don't really understand how university degrees work? You don't take a three year BA with a major in Japanese, then a graduate program and masters for "learning Japanese".

You're incredibly naive if you think a university degree is like some single subject course. Chances are if someone is studying Japanese, with a core focus on the language itself, for six years of full time study, they are going to walk away with certification which covers linguistics or business or some other line of study. Typically the study of the language itself is covered in a single core course making up a few units, with several other classes and a minor focus to the degree. The Bachelor of Arts format doesn't allow you to do a single thing- hell, no degree does. It's only when you reach a doctorate level doing a PHD that you'd actually spent years on a single "thing".

You'd have to divide the time up but a quarter or less to compare just studying Japanese with doing a uni degree with a Japanese language major.
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>>135591341
Looks like somebody just signed up to get into a shitload of debt for no reason!

Fuck off already, monkey.
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>>135591341
I don't see how any of that is relevant to the topic at hand. None of that changes the fact that a college Japanese education will take much longer to get at a point where you can use your Japanese for reading your weeb shit.
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>>135591112
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>people still fall for the shared deck meme
You'll never remember shit that isn't relevant to you. Take it from someone who's been studying for years. Example sentences and vocab ripped from your favorite VN, game or anime, will give you a higher rate of retention. Especially if you can add something to remind yourself of where you saw it. I've got cards from the start I still forget like 開廷 and I'm pretty sure that came from some Core vocab shit way back. You'd think after so long it'd be in my long term memory but it's not.
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Is there a point to learning each individual Kanji or should I just learn vocabulary?
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>>135591545
Doing Anki for a year straight is easy and doesn't require much thought. Actually reading and mining words, even with the tools on offer, is mild effort.
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>>135591642
I swear you fucks do this on purpose, just to spin every fucking thread out of control.
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>>135591642
>learn individual kanji
>still mix up 無駄 and 無理
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>>135591704
I'm only at 150 words on anki, I want to know if I'm going the correct way or if it would be better to learn the Kanji first.
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>>135591806
Write down the kanji you see. That's all you need.
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>お兄ちゃん、遅れて歩かなくてもいいの
>Onii-chan, can I be late and not have to walk?
Does てもいい apply to both verbs here?
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>>135591426
(you)
>>135591447
>I don't see how any of that is relevant to the topic at hand
I was explaining the context and how your comparison is disingenuous.
>None of that changes the fact that a college Japanese education will take much longer to get at a point where you can use your Japanese for reading your weeb shit.
The point is that the focus is entirely different, ergo your comparison isn't valid. If I were to make the same asinine comparison I could ask you where your university degree comes from after spending 3/4 years of studying by yourself. You see, this underlines WHY people go to university. You don't take a language class to become fluent, you take it to learn bits and pieces here and there and to make up course units/credits towards your degree. That piece of paper and the connections made over the years are why people go to universities.

Regardless of whether or not the classes are efficient, making fallacious comparisons in order to bolster your point doesn't help anyone aside from enforcing your opinions. That's cool but I'm not here to join in a cirlcejerk because that's boring. Express the merits of your position without having to make intellectual dishonest comparisons to make them appear stronger.
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>>135591901
You're literally arguing against something nobody has said.
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>>135591806
There's no point in learning kanji without doing vocab at the same time.

Either you can learn kanji through vocab, or you can do Kanji Damage or something in addition to vocab.
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>>135591901
Dude, how about you reread the first post in the chain and figure out what you're actually responding to before sperging out.
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>>135591806
No one can tell you because no one has done both.
When it comes to building up vocab, people swap techniques then find another way works better, then they tell people.

What you're asking is different, "Is it better to know X before Y"?

Nobody knows this because nobody has done both. Nobody knows. Kanjifags will reassure you they didn't waste time by learning the Kanji separately and they have some advantage. I haven't seen any evidence they really do but who knows?
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>>135591779
>無駄
やってもいみがない
>無理
原理的に不可能
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>>135591901
Yes go to university good good go- guys.
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>>135591026
No one knows?
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>>135592030
Thank you.
It's actually just the kanji tripping me up because I don't pay close enough attention.
I see that 無理 shares a kanji with 理解 so maybe if I think of it that way I can keep things straight.
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Should I grind grammar particles in Anki, or just keep reading the guide and try to remember it as I go along?
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>>135592221
>grind grammar particles in Anki
Impossible, and pointless.
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>>135591901
It doesn't matter. The only thing being discussed here is how fast you will learn Japanese. Nobody cares why it's slower on college compared to the usual DJT self-learner, the only thing that matters here is that it is slower and that is a fact. If you want to learn faster, you don't do it at college. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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>>135591648
>he wants to avoid effort
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>>135592206
I used to mix them up too until I saw 駄目.
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>>135592272

I mean, I'm up to a dozen or so hiragana particles, which isn't bad at all. I'm just expecting more, since I'm only now starting essential grammar, and my memory is kind of shit.

Should I completely read this guide before attempting to read on my own? The Guide says that the entirety of Tae Kim is actually basic grammar, despite it being labeled as "advanced", etc.
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I got rosetta stone as a christmas present and just got it installed and went through lesson 1. Holy hell all it does is bombard you with moonrunes and moonspeak while telling you to pick a picture with no help or oversight. Over and over.

I will give that I am learning a few things like boy is otokonoko and rice is gohan but holy fuck Im not sure if Im learning how to speak so much as cheating myself on the tests because it reuses the same pictures over and over.
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I just got genki and I dont want to write in the book, how do you guys do your self imposed homeworks?
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>>135592451

get the pdf and print it, you loser
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>>135592392
Yes, the entirety of Tae Kim is really basic. It's there just to give you the groundings you need to read. You'll still get the shit beat out of you by the grammar when you start to read for real. Grinding particles on anki is still kind of pointless. You're better off working on tae kim every day. Example sentences will make sure you keep seeing the concepts you learned earlier being used again.
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>>135592492

I see, thanks. I was unsure of how to go about it (especially since there's a Tae Kim grammar Anki deck in the cornucopia). I don't mind getting the shit beat out of me if I see it often enough to learn what it is.
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>>135592408
Rosetta Stone is shit. Just stare at this page until you know Japanese.
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>>135592483
>>135592483
I. holy fuck does the disc have printable pdfs? I am a massive fucking idiot.
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What your favorite otome game /djt/?
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That reminds me, I have an "anon edit" of Genki. Anyone know what the fuck this is? I vaguely remember the original post about it, too.
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>>135592392
I can't remember how much Tae Kim there is but from what I remember it is pretty lacking. It won't tell you details too, like you can't double up たら so レストランに行ったら晩ご飯を食べたら遅くなる is grammatically INCORRECT. And there are many many little things like this with grammar which you won't know.

It only gives you a very very simple understanding for very basic grammar. You actually should get a book out about grammar from the library. 200 common grammar structures or some shit, and learn from that. There's very little I've seen online that really goes all the way to a high level.
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>>135592613

nevermind, found it in the archive. Just removes the romaji.
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>>135592637
>It won't tell you details too, like you can't double up たら so レストランに行ったら晩ご飯を食べたら遅くなる is grammatically INCORRECT
Isn't that... common sense?
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>>135592674
Why is anon so allergic to romaji? It's not as if you're going to get good at reading kana through a textbook. It takes much more reading than that to acquire a decent reading speed.
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>>135592703
>Isn't that... common sense?
I think it would be... because Tae Kim also teaches you how to link verbs with the te-form or whatever. Yeah.
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>>135592637
You're expected not to try and make up grammar structures which are not in the guide.
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But has anyone unravelled the mystery of です yet?
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>>135592815
It means "is".
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>>135592815
It's just a sound you make to be polite and make people feel at ease.
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>>135592815
it's how you tell people you're being polite
literally it just means that whatever you said exists or is true.
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>>135573801
>On a completely different note, that secondary manga for the cor spreadsheet is really filling out fast.
I've been out of the loop, what's this secondary manga thing?
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>>135592532
That is basically what I am doing anon.
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>>135592815
just use 御座る it will make you a cool kid yo!
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>>135592703
>>135592809
Another example, maybe a better one.
私はそう思わない。over 私はそうじゃないと思う
There's lots of stuff like this you won't realize from Tae Kim.
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>>135593264
Doesn't Tae Kim say you typically don't use the negative conjugation of 思う and instead conjugate whatever it is just before the quote particle to the negative?
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that somewhere...
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>>135593264
私はそうと思わない
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>>135593264
What is the difference?

>私はそうと思わない
I don't think it's like that.

>私はそうじゃないと思う
It's not like that, I think.

?
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>>135578348
Rekt
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>>135593730
The difference is one is natural language and the other isn’t.
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>>135594138
>私はそうじゃないと思う
Ok.. and that one is the natural one, right?
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>>135593730
What's the difference?
>That's not true I think
>I think that's not true
>I don't think that's true
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>線
>kanji for line

JUST
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>>135585223
>There was a time when people understood how to use the sage function, for starters.
Kill yourself.
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>>135594138
Forgive me if I seem as dumb as this question might be, but what's with the font? Is this some kind of inside joke?
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>>135593730
The latter is just generally not used. Although someone can probably find some context for it. Generally >>135593465


I don't know if Tae Kim says it but this is just an example of the kind of stuff it misses out. Tae Kim is like a crash course in grammar. It only gives you a brief overview. There are entire books on grammar out there with more complex structures and the like.
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Which is easier:

>learning japanese
>getting fit
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>>135594474
You can get fit in a month, it takes a few years to learn Japanese.

They're both easy, one just requires more of a time investment.
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>>135594523
>You can get fit in a month
I did 20 pushups a day for a month and was still a hopeless bastard, the moment I stopped I atrophied in a matter of three days and my sternum cracked too.
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>>135593730

>私はそうと思わない
That's not what I think.
I don't think like that.

>私はそうじゃないと思う
I don't think that's the case.
I don't think that's right.
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>>135594598
>and my sternum cracked too
Did you weigh 500 pounds?!?
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>>135594474
Getting /fit/ takes 3 years of your life with good nutrition, form and routine.
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>>135594340
I bet I was thinking of Genki I and it seems I got it backwards.

>>135594612
Thank you.
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so whats used more frequently between 毎年
まいとし
まいねん ?

anki showing me both, they mean the same thing and they're the same characters.. if this is an elaborate troll well 'you got me'
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>>135594847
they're used equally as frequently

If something like that is a problem for you stop learning now it only gets worse.
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>>135594328
The guy's a little dick sucker. That's the core of the joke here.
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>>135594328
It’s full width alphnumeric, breh. All the cool kids are doing it.
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>>135594847
まいとし
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>>135577373
Yes, it's a hiragana 'ko' (こ)
Give up while you're ahead.
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>>135594902
There’s nothing wrong with sucking a dick.
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>>135594989
thanks, jisho hinted to this
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>>135579508
>You dont know something
>Therefore you are stupid and I wont teach you
>You can't learn because I want teach you

Mental Gymnastics, the post.
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>>135595420
You were already given the answer. You're expected to be able to think on your own though.
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>>135580193
The worst part for me is being able to read all the kanji because I know Chinese, but then having such a basic knowledge of Japanese grammar that I only half know what's going on.
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>>135595600
Oh, how awful.
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>>135587950
Just wrote up everything I read last year for archival purposes. 81 volumes of manga and 1 VN.

Not bad considering I could barely understand stuff like NHK News Easy last January.
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>>135594644
140
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>>135594792
No. It's nothing to do with the meaning. The latter is just not natural. I hesitate to say it's never used, but when you disagree or don't think something, end the sentence with 思わない、考えてない or whatever rather than put じゃない in the middle.
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>>135595659
I spy otomeshit. Fuck off.
How was it? I've been meaning to play but I want to get through Re: first.
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>>135594847
>this is an elaborate troll
in a way, yes. welcome to japanese
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>>135594598
>Sternum cracked
How?
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>>135587950
I never thought of keeping track of what I read. Well shit.
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>>135594644
You have baby bones
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>>135596434
My sternum has not developed to the point where push-ups have cracked it. Someday I too, hope to be big and strong.
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Does anyone have a link to the 金文体W5 font? Can only find it for sale.
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