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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
We all work hard to understand the dynamic relationship we have with a parent.
I need advice: I'm working, and this year I started to study for the Uni.
My Uni has a the chance to give me a scholarship for study 6 month in Japan, but in order to take it I need at least an N4 level. Right now, I am at N5, but I want to reach N3 for December instead of N4.
The problem is, I think I'm burning out: too much things to do, too little time. Does some of you study and work? How do you manage to study japanese too?
Reaching N3 in a year isn't really that difficult.
You can always squeeze in 10-20 minutes of studying a day, do flashcards with example sentences.
Listen to cd-dramas or music when you're walking, brushing your teeth etc.
Depends which country you live in. The universities in my country routinely offered exchange programs to Chinese and Japanese universities, among other sister universities around the world.
On a completely different note, that secondary manga for the cor spreadsheet is really filling out fast.
10/20 minutes a day are enought? Do you mean for grammar or for flashcards? I can do flashcard while I'm on bus, now that I think about it.
I don't know where do you live, but in Italy is pretty simple: I just looked on my University's site, and saw this oppurtuniy (I was looking for erasmus, but this is much better).
Why do hiragana and katakana sound the same but have different symbols?
Because they were made at the same time. Katakana was an answer to hiragana being extremely complicated before it was standardized in modern history.
America is a lot further away from Japan than my country is, and there is the whole nuking two Japanese cities thing. Sister universities tend to appear in sister cities. Here is a list for Burgers:
Maybe some of the higher funded universities with these sister city relations could have such exchange programs. Though, as an American you could always join the military and get shipped over to the of the thousands of military bases America has installed in Japan.
The time I lived in Japan were some of the days I spent the least amount of time studying Japanese.
You'll use like 10 basic phrases a day and your job will be speaking English. At least there's kanji on the train.
But I am indeed learning japanese mainly to live and work there.
if you'd said as much i would have added it, unless it truly is your dream to die from overwork
just visit, have a biru, laugh, cry, avoid yakuza, keep your voice down
dont forget ねころび
>using です after informal pronoun
'Course, you could've just been roleplaying as a samurai.
Or I suppose they could've used something other than です
>mfw going full easy mode and just learning how to read
Thought it'd make more sense given that most people here are English-speakers learning nipp, or at least using English resources
tfw no good norwegian/swedish/danish resources on Japanese
>tfw got used to thinking in English
You should be all smiles, you little bitch. Your native language wasn't worth shit.
They can rot for all I care. If your reason(s) for learning Japanese isn't one of these
>to read untranslated Japanese porn
>to watch Japanese cartoons and Japanese cartoon porn
>to talk to your fellow Japanese virgins
you will never learn Japanese and be stuck at at most hiragana level for all eternity. This is backed by scientific research.
Depends on what you're using it for.
Japanese is way better for making comics because you can stuff a lot more information into a small space.
English is more useful overall though.
English is a SVO language
Japanese is a SOV language
French and Latin change order depending on a variety of factors
Ching Chong ding dong and a Ni Hao to you Pao Ling!
SOV is the metric of language, there is a reason latin was taught in schools for centuries.
I put some subtitles on this video.
For the part at 0:22, SIK from クッキー says 食べさせる, from the line 「私も食べさせる！」.
Now, I know literally that by itself, it means, "(I) Feed", but that doesn't really convey how that line works in the 音MAD.
For now I have "Eat this!," which I think carries the emphasis on volition, but does anyone have a better suggestion?
Yes, this is a stupid question.
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Can we stop recommending advanced VNs for beginners yet?
It's cute so far, I feel like such a piece of shit for taking an hour to read 5 minutes in though. I can already tell my over-reliance on text hooking is going to fuck me.
It's not that advanced, every VN is going to have a couple lines that are harder than the rest when certain topics pop up. Even Flyable Heart has the sci-fi stuff. The closest you'll come to something with no hard lines is garbage like 人妻スイミング倶楽部. If you keep your head above water it gets a lot easier.
> I can already tell my over-reliance on text hooking is going to fuck me.
Pro advice: Just don't move on until you can re-read the line without using a texthooker. If you do that you'll force yourself to actually comprehend the word unstead of over-rely on the texthooker.
The distinction between "advanced" and "beginner" VNs is hard to make, because in the end it's all Japanese and not a whole lot of VNs actually deviate a lot from the norm. Usually, difficult comes down to the consistency of the vocabulary level as well as the variety and level of topics discussed (which in turn leads to more vocabulary. It's tempting to say "VNs with harder grammar" but really the only time grammar is a issue (in terms of being more advanced or more beginner) is when the topics are so alien even familiar grammar becomes difficult to understand (due to lack of context) because otherwise it'll still all just be normal Japanese you see everywhere.
It also seems to me that beginners can still benefit from reading advanced VNs. Since the problem mostly comes down to vocabulary, reading harder stuff essentially will serve as a funnel of vocabulary.
I'm at 2,900 ish and I know what you mean, there's a certain novelty to seeing a new one.
However, I don't like actually learning them.People say learning kanji becomes automatic after 2,500 or whatever but I disagree. It's easy to learn something like 偲ぶ for obvious reasons but something like 渓 isn't really easy (or hard), it's just like learning the first kanji, tedious and time consuming.
I didn't say it was hard (though if you call LOGH easy you're obviously looking at it from a "learned" perspective rather than a "learner" perspective), just that I feel intelligent. Not only due to whatever difficulty it has, but also just due to the subject matter and the fact I'm reading it in a second language.
I have Arslan Senki, and didn't read past the first page which was quite an experience.
I picked a random page of Arslan Senki (because I remembered the Prologue of LOGH being way harder than the bulk of the text) and true to form, I don't think pic related is that much more difficult than LOGH. I mean, it's the same author after all. Why do you think it's harder than LOGH enough to point it out?
That's page 204. The beginning (pic related) is a lot different.
I didn't even know Japanese had accent marks.
Learn something new everyday, I guess.
Of course you cannot learn Japanese by only doing Anki. Anki is there to build up your vocabulary so you don't have to look up words all the time, not to teach you grammar or provide you with reading practice.
I doubt that anyone believes that they can learn Japanese solely through Anki.
In my bed, or on the bus, or anywhere else I go with my manga.
Guys my mom just had to take me to our family doctor because I got a UTI from my onahole.
KEEP YOUR ONAHOLE CLEAN.
I'm not talking a quick rinse under the sink, you need to use a mild soap and clean it GOOD, make sure it's dry before you put it up. It could happen to you.
Remember when your communism mug set off a whole argument about capitalism?
>tfw burns when i pee
>tfw not changing underwear or showering for a month straight may have given me a uti
I really don't understand the point of onaholes. They feel good, but the hassle of set-up and clean-up means I'd rather just use my hand.
It's easier to put in a fucking aneros than it is to use an onahole.
>Anki is there to build up your vocabulary so you don't have to look up words all the time, not to teach you grammar or provide you with reading practice.
That's why one of the most useful decks in the CoR is a Japanese grammar deck.
I still don't understand why people are so sensitive when it comes to communism.
You seem to have some anger issues if you hate someone over the fact that they post images on an anonymous imageboard.
I'm pretty sick of it, too. We all know that it's impossible for someone over the age of 5 to learn a second language, and that the only way to consume Japanese media is through the blessed offerings from our fan translator gods. I can't imagine anyone being dissatisfied with something run through Google translate, or translated from Chinese or Korean, or random guesses. After all, it's a free product, you can't complain.
>The problem is, I think I'm burning out: too much things to do, too little time. Does some of you study and work? How do you manage to study japanese too?
No, as soon as I entered my major (physics) I had to quit my part time job. I even tried a getting another job over summer quarter and it was still too much for me. I commend people who can work and do Uni at the same time, but I cannot do that. So instead I'm just a broke-ass who studies all the time.
You often see people say you need to know about ~2000 kanji to be able to read things. But what does it really mean to know a kanji? The standalone reading and meaning? All the kunyomi? Every word it's a part of?
>But what does it really mean to know a kanji?
This is a question I've asked people every now and then and you get a range of answer. For some reason on DJT you also tend to get a lot of angry responses, but I guess that comes with the territory.
Personally, to 'know' a character, I should be able to recall and write it from memory, recognise it across multiple fonts and in handwriting, with the ability to comfortably correctly read the common words it is found in. You could also extend that final aspect to being able to recall the common ways it is pronounced, in isolation, and relate these different pronunciations to words they are commonly found in.
. ~2000 Kanji is the exact number of the top ~2000 most used Kanji. These kanji are used in words and names that occur frequently. They do not include all the Kanji that you are likely to see. For that you would need around 3000 or 4000 to be safe. You do not need to know every reading and meaning as some of those can be obscure, just like you don't need to know every kanji to be able to comfortably read. Dictionaries exist.
My shitty ex girlfriend (Japanese) made me associate Japanese with bad things.
Super polite introductions to her parents who got mad at me anyway because I seemed impolite, and they thought I didn't care enough about her.
She got angry with me when she tried to tell me about her stupid high school girl drama in full speed casual Japanese after I had studied for just 6 months (She spoke English just fine, and never bothered to learn my native language... )
Messaged or spoke to me in Japanese when she got angry. And she got angry like every single day. Wanted more dick, wanted less dick, tired of me not talking with people in my class, tired of me talking too much with people in my class so I couldn't message her and so on. So during those months, I only really associated Japanese with lengthy and very difficult fights, anger and my daily struggles with Japanese.
So yeah, that was fun.
Also, I'm two years in and I still can't enjoy anything in Japanese. I mean, it's getting closer. Two years ago I understood nothing, and now I can read Yotsuba and understand simple videos and play simple games and google things and talk with Japanese people every day, but damn it still takes a long time. 6 months ago, it took me two hours to reply to a long message on LINE(20-30 lines of text in portrait mode), and I had to look up so many words. Now it takes maybe 15 minutes if I'm lucky and I know most of the words, but I've realised that I am only able to do this in context. If I begin talking with a new person or if somebody comes up to me on the street and talks to me, I almost literally die. That's pretty disheartening. Will I ever become fluent at Japanese? I still butcher my English from time to time, and I've been speaking that every day for the past 10 years. It just seems so far away, but at least I don't HATE Japanese anymore like I used to because of my ex.
Nice blog anon.
Get over your girlfriend already and get some new Japanese friends.
Want to talk to stupid people? : http://www.skypechannel.net/
Even stupider people: http://chatpad.jp/
Fuck NYR-fags, bloggers, and ledditors. What compelling content are you enjoying right now?
You must release all this anger one way or another.
Go find a Japanese girl and rape her. Yes, rape her and let every thrust of your dick release a week's worth of built up negative feelings.
It may sound a bit harsh, but ultimately, your well-being matters more than that of some random Japanese stranger.
>Quit taking it seriously.
Aside, what makes you feel free to other people how to respond to something?
That would taste pretty foul. Wouldn't it be easier to cut off her head, make a broth with it, and ladle it out to homeless people? That's what one of the Chinese noodle places nearby does, only they do it with stray pets and charge you a few bucks for it.
>You often see people say you need to know about ~2000 kanji to be able to read things
I hope nobody actually believes that, there's a big difference between being able to read something and being able to read something without ever encountering something new.
Trying to get though the monogatari series
>complains about memeshit while posting memeshit
I have so much money saved up it's spilling out of my eyeballs.
I feel swallowing a "fuck it" pill and burning $150 on Rosetta Stone, is that a bad idea?
I realize this will earn me permanent stereotypical weeb status and get me laughed at by normies which will never fail to piss me off...but I reeeeally wanna watch my gook cartoons with max enjoyment and no subs. The thought just seems so...comfy. And you all seem to be enjoying yourselves immensely.
Amazon's open in another tab. Should I do it, /a/?
Daily reminder that any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe they are in good company
Don't forget to buy the Pimsleur tapes as well. You'll be able to talk to Japanese QT's in no time.
>I feel swallowing a "fuck it" pill and burning $150 on Rosetta Stone, is that a bad idea?
Its not a bad idea, but its not the best idea.
I know exactly one person personally who can watch anime with no sub, and is also entirely self taught.
What you should do is:
1. Follow the fucking guide and get a minimal understanding of the basics.
2. Do what my friend did and go through VNs with voices, repeating every line until the words are burned in your head.
This sounds like work, because it is. However, Rosetta stone will probably teach how no to die if you wind up in a Western Mountain Town (if you could understand their accent). Which is actually much more simple, in most cases, than your average 5 minutes in any anime. Not by much, but it is.
>it has gotten noticeably worse.
It's been downhill since the vans exploded. There was a time when people understood how to use the sage function, for starters.
Yes it was, but please run along to ED to fish out screencaps of a time you weren't part of.
>The fact that you were only 17 just reinforces my point.
No it doesn't. You're trying to imply this is some obfuscation by rose tinted glasses. You'd be wrong.
The site has changed dramatically in very objective ways. For a valid insinuation of nostalgia it would have to be a fair comparison, but it's not. The population of posters has grown dramatically; core functions of the site has been removed to make it easier for outsiders to post; generals are now not only common place but protected; legacy boards are buzzing hiveminds full of angry snowflake gen z kids.
These add to an experience shaped by objective measures.
Yes. SA never interested me and world2ch faded out. 4chan.net was the next best thing on a clearweb.
Does anyone know how to make Anki actually wait for the due time before showing a flashcard? The intervals I use are 1 10 30, but they tend to show up way before 10 or 30 minutes have passed.
No matter which border you live within, all people are the same at heart.
Hey, everyone. I self-teach using a couple of different books (Japanese Demystified is the backbone and I supplement it with a Japanese grammar handbook). One of my Japanese students (I'm an ESL teacher) tutors me once a week but he went back to Japan for winter break.
I just learned this structure.
What's the difference between, say, "先生のクラスは難しい" and "先生はクラスが難しいです" ?
The first sentence is statement about sensei's class and the second is a statement about sensei. They convey pretty much the same information though. Also, the second one sounds very unnatural, if you could even consider it grammatical. That structure is very limited in terms of how it's used in practice. Usually you only use it with some predetermined Y's and Z's like 先生は背が高い.
You just have to learn them little by little. It's no biggie. I also wonder how you would deal with the trouble of changing from Chinese simplified characters to kanji. It's certainly easier than learning it all from scratch, but it must be a pain in the ass.
Is it okay if I ask for help in here?
I got some problems with this panel.
The girl has been asked to get in a car but she is hesitating.
So if I understand it correctly, she is listing 2 reasons why she should get in the car. The first one is that it is a friend of "onii-san", but I don't understand the second one (line two and three).
Is she saying that if she says no it might hinder her from getting to know the person? Or is she saying that if she resists and someone sees them it might be hard to explain what they are doing? It is the "見られる" that is throwing me off.
>Probably just like how you made sense of them when first starting your studies of Chinese?
I guess. But my Chinese studies took place in a classroom (with a really good teacher, I might add) while my Japanese has been self-taught.
My original plan was to teach English in China but I taught there for a couple of months in 2012. Never again.
Beijing was nice, I'll admit.Now I've set my sights on Japan instead.
Anyway, less blog and more language; some of the kanji would be difficult if not for my background. It's easier to break them into easy-to-remember parts if you know the Chinese pieces. 意 for example is "stand over sun over heart".
>Chinese simplified characters
Disgusting. My teacher was Taiwanese so I learned traditional.
Japanese kanji use some of both, though, such as the 学 in 高学. Traditional is 學.
>>Chinese simplified characters
I like you.
>Japanese kanji use some of both, though, such as the 学 in 高学. Traditional is 學.
Yeah, but Japanese simplified doesn't look half as ugly as Chinese.
>It's easier to break them into easy-to-remember parts if you know the Chinese pieces. 意 for example is "stand over sun over heart".
You can do that even if you don't know Chinese. In fact, even if you're not doing a radical-based approach, eventually you can't help but break them apart in familiar components.
You can start "reading" at any point. Hell, read to learn kana, should be good practice!
The question isn't when you *CAN* start reading. When reading is something as ill defined as "looking at Japanese text and attempting to understand it through outside help" then you can start reading before you even start studying Japanese. The question is, in fact, when is reading beneficial, efficiency and constructive. The answer to that, of course, varies from person to person. Core2k + Tae Kim is a good catch all net. Anything more than that is just personal bias and experiences speaking, not actually helpful advice.
I'm a beginner
What I'm supposed to do here?
(That's anki for Android btw)
I have a notepad of everything I've read, excluding ero-manga chapters and CG sets though I stopped fapping to those because nukige are better.
15 volumes of manga
28 visual novels
See if you know what the word means, click show answer, then click the appropriate button depending on whether you got it right or not and on how easy it was to remember the meaning of the word. If it's your first time seeing the card just click show answer, remember it well, then click good.
Oh okay that makes sense.
Thanks a lot for the good explanation.
You are suppose to translate that sentence in your head, then you press "Show answer" to see if you did it correctly. You will be presented with 3-4 different options of how hard you thought the question was, and that will determine how long time will pass before you get asked about the same sentence again.
Think of it as a deck of cards, with questions written on one side and the answer on the back of the card. Pressing "show answer" flips the card to reveal the answer. It is up to you to decide how hard that particular card was.
Well, I can barely communicate. My grammar is a mess(see >>135587996)
but the way I see it is that if I just try, even if I suck, I'll improve a lot more than I would if I never try to just throw myself into it.
>I can already tell my over-reliance on text hooking is going to fuck me.
stop doing core, make your new deck a custom deck of entirely imported words from your vn's
literally the solution
That's not me, and I don't see what's wrong with sharing conversation practice with native speakers. He's hardly being an attention whore when his posts convey almost nothing about himself.
>even if I suck, I'll improve a lot more than I would if I never try to just throw myself into it.
I'm pretty sure your grammar will only improve by reading/listening to native material, and by being corrected by natives. Simply speaking will not really improve your grammar because you're just reinforcing your own misunderstandings. Practicing speaking will help you speak, but if you "know" the grammar to begin with you're not going to get much benefit from it, so you'll just be practicing bad speaking.
He is only posting it here to receive attention. That is why normies do anything, to receive attention. He is probably in love with the image or idea of learning Japanese than actually learning Japanese. He should go post it on reddit or something instead where they encourage that behavior.
>does this deck assume i know already something?
It assumes you understand how kanji function in relations to words and readings. If you haven't already, read through the beginning of Tae Kim's *grammar* guide so you know what's going on.
Also, you may want to look into other methods of learning Kanji, core2k/6k does NOT hold your hand when it comes to kanji, you may find yourself wanting to study radicals or learn the Remembering the Kanji method to help.
No. It expects you to learn each new word you see carefully. How you do that is up to you. Some people like to write them down a few times. I think that's a great idea cause it encourages you to learn stroke order, which is useful when reading handwriting and weird fonts, and you'll also learn to look at kanji properly (i.e. in terms of its components) sooner.
Well, it's not like I read a chapter of grammar and then stopped. I read grammar, read Japanese and then try out my knowledge with speaking.
If you don't actually try to articulate yourself and practice writing and speaking while you learn, you're missing out. You don't wait until you've learned all the vocab and grammar to speak and write. It's an active process.
Jesus Christ, man. I just thought it would be interesting to post a few pics of a convo. Chill the fuck out.
Just because you never got any positive attention from anyone doesn't mean lashing out at others who do is the answer, anon. Calm your hurt ass, you're the only one here who cares.
>Jesus Christ, man. I just thought it would be interesting to post a few pics of a convo. Chill the fuck out.
Is this supposed to be a parody of what a normalfag would say, or is this actually your response?
>If you don't actually try to articulate yourself and practice writing and speaking while you learn, you're missing out.
Sure, but I don't think it's going to help you get better very much. I remember a Steve video where he said that he doesn't even try and speak until he can understand what people say. That makes sense to me, if you get what it's implying.
Thank you very much; I never would have thought to use that construction just by reading through a grammar book.
I suppose I'll just need to read more to get used to what is the common way of saying different things.
Did you type this post with intention? Like, double meaning? Subtext?
No the Japanese internet for the most part is just a worse version of the English internet. The only exception is for things that are only popular in Japan like visual novel discussion. Even anime sites and discussion are better in English.
Not that guy but man, I hate to break it to you anon, but a widely-known and active anonymous board anyone can post in at any given time is not the super secret clubhouse that you seem think it is.
Which is the most correct? Options one and two both sound weird to me.
I'm just looking for a "Is there anyone who would like to. . ." construction. The given sentence was just an example.
It's just that there was a discussion going about whether production actually helps with grammar (>>135588172) and then you go and make a post saying exactly that you need to read to improve your production. Good timing.
I don't have a facebook account, I'm as NEET as it probably gets. But even I'm not such a naive and bitter idiot that I think we're in some members-only circlejerk of social outcasts that's closed to the outside world on the /a/ board of 4chan of all places.
It's gotten to the point where 4chan's hostility is more comical than anything. It's like watching lemmings run off a cliff. Angry, lonely people with no self esteem compelled by some profound phenomenon to make upset posts on the internet.
Nah, I watched
and after that I see everything in a whole new light. I used to, maybe, get angry, and I'd reply to EXACTLY like , but now I don't even feel anything but amusement, like how one would laugh at a child throwing a tantrum rather than seriously try to engage them.
Except you literally posted rephrased as a reddit post right here: >>135589121 or are you too blind to see you're literally doing what you are pretending what you're above doing. Looking forward to your response about how you don't respond.
The difference is that I'm not angry. I didn't say that I'm above the whole thing, obviously I'm still here. It's just that now, I find it funny, as opposed to taking it seriously.
>why I left 4chan
>I can't find muh weeb pictures on 4chan even though it's literally the worst possible site to ever do that, and only a moron would use it for such a thing
>I don't like having no sense of identity
Is there anything worse than people who are completely clueless making videos about things they don't understand? Granted, I should have turned off when he said he enjoyed TTGL stickies and fucking Japan Time, but still.
>Couldn't it mean that that the class is difficult for the teacher?
先生にはクラスが難しいです by itself would communicate such but 先生はクラスが難しいです can be part of a larger statement or conversation. It isn't grammatically incorrect in every possibly way and I'm not really sure why anon stated that.
I'm a legit NEET. Graduated college, NEET for 2-3 years, went back to graduate school and got a master's degree, then NEET for 3-4 more years. If only I'd been more serious about Japanese back then, I'd be fluent by now.
It's because back in the day assholes were simply a natural consequence of anonymity, but over time people started forcing it in order to fit in. Plus it's a basic human need to feel like you belong in some greater whole, so you get miserable guys who are bitter at society trying to band together and build an identity out of their failures, lashing out at their perceived enemy.
Unfortunately for them, as much as they like to pretend otherwise, most people here tend to just be anti-social introverts who like their animus and video games instead of constantly angry human garbage.
>har har har, i'm so cool that my presumptuous and baseless assumptions must be right, even when i'm presented with evidence to the contrary
Go back to school, you fratboy prick.
I think there were two key points relevant to DJT in particular which is why it resonated with me.
1- "Why are you on 4chan? What do you want from it"? In terms of DJT, I just want discussion of learning Japanese. I don't get it though, most of it is arguments such as this very one, and I often participated in arguments. So, that resonated with me.
2- "Efficiency. How many of you put off things just to spend time on 4chan?" That resonated with me because many times I end up on DJT instead of reading a manga or studying. I know other people are the same too because I see tons of posts about people tabbing out of anki and wasting time here instead of just finishing. So, resonating.
I keep re-opening the thread after I close it.
The amount of NEETs here is probably a lot higher than most other threads, and miles above general population levels.
There probably are faggots NEETing it up for the weekend, but I'd say at least 25-50% of people here are actual NEETs. You need time to learn a language, and most workers don't want to come home and do more work.
You're completely clueless. The reason you're "putting off" other stuff is because other stuff is less interesting than 4chan.
"What do you want from 4chan?" If you're looking for anything aside from entertainment, you're as dumb as the guy in the video.
I don't come here to talk about learning Japanese. I come here to be entertained by people talking about learning Japanese. Maybe one day you'll understand the difference.
えと… I will reply to this in a couple months when I understand it.
>high level --somethingsomething- intent does not exist. "snow" something-appearing-like word if put out isn't interesting, right?
All right, back to Tae Kim, I guess.
Then why don't you just leave? This is the projecting part I was talking about. The guy realized he didn't like 4chan assumed this was the case for most people here.
He toke things way out of proportion too. The roreny threads things really show this because those were kicked off /a/ for being self-hating blogging threads(I think they're on /r9k/ now). They were clearly a minority.
Help me out here, what is this gook saying?
Something something 土曜日は ＊＊ 模試よね 調子はどう？
Being honest here, I never took a language course when I was in college. But I'm still curious as to how effective a Japanese language class would be in teaching the language. Would it be more efficient time-wise or is it pretty much just the same only they hold your hand more?
It's pretty much just an insanely slow version, but grammar is a little easier.
Anki is entirely about efficiency. Classroom learning is all about schedules and hoping students do the homework.
>It's cute so far, I feel like such a piece of shit for taking an hour to read 5 minutes in though.
That's normal. It's always gonna be like this. You'll either conclude it's impossible or eventually you'll make it.
I guess the problem is that the entertainment derived from 4chan is kind of brainless, just having your attention taken up; all that you end up doing is wasting time, not really being entertained.
That's the point, retard. There are no six year degrees for Japanese.
So you don't really understand how university degrees work? You don't take a three year BA with a major in Japanese, then a graduate program and masters for "learning Japanese".
You're incredibly naive if you think a university degree is like some single subject course. Chances are if someone is studying Japanese, with a core focus on the language itself, for six years of full time study, they are going to walk away with certification which covers linguistics or business or some other line of study. Typically the study of the language itself is covered in a single core course making up a few units, with several other classes and a minor focus to the degree. The Bachelor of Arts format doesn't allow you to do a single thing- hell, no degree does. It's only when you reach a doctorate level doing a PHD that you'd actually spent years on a single "thing".
You'd have to divide the time up but a quarter or less to compare just studying Japanese with doing a uni degree with a Japanese language major.
I don't see how any of that is relevant to the topic at hand. None of that changes the fact that a college Japanese education will take much longer to get at a point where you can use your Japanese for reading your weeb shit.
>people still fall for the shared deck meme
You'll never remember shit that isn't relevant to you. Take it from someone who's been studying for years. Example sentences and vocab ripped from your favorite VN, game or anime, will give you a higher rate of retention. Especially if you can add something to remind yourself of where you saw it. I've got cards from the start I still forget like 開廷 and I'm pretty sure that came from some Core vocab shit way back. You'd think after so long it'd be in my long term memory but it's not.
I'm only at 150 words on anki, I want to know if I'm going the correct way or if it would be better to learn the Kanji first.
>I don't see how any of that is relevant to the topic at hand
I was explaining the context and how your comparison is disingenuous.
>None of that changes the fact that a college Japanese education will take much longer to get at a point where you can use your Japanese for reading your weeb shit.
The point is that the focus is entirely different, ergo your comparison isn't valid. If I were to make the same asinine comparison I could ask you where your university degree comes from after spending 3/4 years of studying by yourself. You see, this underlines WHY people go to university. You don't take a language class to become fluent, you take it to learn bits and pieces here and there and to make up course units/credits towards your degree. That piece of paper and the connections made over the years are why people go to universities.
Regardless of whether or not the classes are efficient, making fallacious comparisons in order to bolster your point doesn't help anyone aside from enforcing your opinions. That's cool but I'm not here to join in a cirlcejerk because that's boring. Express the merits of your position without having to make intellectual dishonest comparisons to make them appear stronger.
There's no point in learning kanji without doing vocab at the same time.
Either you can learn kanji through vocab, or you can do Kanji Damage or something in addition to vocab.
No one can tell you because no one has done both.
When it comes to building up vocab, people swap techniques then find another way works better, then they tell people.
What you're asking is different, "Is it better to know X before Y"?
Nobody knows this because nobody has done both. Nobody knows. Kanjifags will reassure you they didn't waste time by learning the Kanji separately and they have some advantage. I haven't seen any evidence they really do but who knows?
It's actually just the kanji tripping me up because I don't pay close enough attention.
I see that 無理 shares a kanji with 理解 so maybe if I think of it that way I can keep things straight.
It doesn't matter. The only thing being discussed here is how fast you will learn Japanese. Nobody cares why it's slower on college compared to the usual DJT self-learner, the only thing that matters here is that it is slower and that is a fact. If you want to learn faster, you don't do it at college. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I mean, I'm up to a dozen or so hiragana particles, which isn't bad at all. I'm just expecting more, since I'm only now starting essential grammar, and my memory is kind of shit.
Should I completely read this guide before attempting to read on my own? The Guide says that the entirety of Tae Kim is actually basic grammar, despite it being labeled as "advanced", etc.
I got rosetta stone as a christmas present and just got it installed and went through lesson 1. Holy hell all it does is bombard you with moonrunes and moonspeak while telling you to pick a picture with no help or oversight. Over and over.
I will give that I am learning a few things like boy is otokonoko and rice is gohan but holy fuck Im not sure if Im learning how to speak so much as cheating myself on the tests because it reuses the same pictures over and over.
Yes, the entirety of Tae Kim is really basic. It's there just to give you the groundings you need to read. You'll still get the shit beat out of you by the grammar when you start to read for real. Grinding particles on anki is still kind of pointless. You're better off working on tae kim every day. Example sentences will make sure you keep seeing the concepts you learned earlier being used again.
I see, thanks. I was unsure of how to go about it (especially since there's a Tae Kim grammar Anki deck in the cornucopia). I don't mind getting the shit beat out of me if I see it often enough to learn what it is.
Rosetta Stone is shit. Just stare at this page until you know Japanese.
I can't remember how much Tae Kim there is but from what I remember it is pretty lacking. It won't tell you details too, like you can't double up たら so レストランに行ったら晩ご飯を食べたら遅くなる is grammatically INCORRECT. And there are many many little things like this with grammar which you won't know.
It only gives you a very very simple understanding for very basic grammar. You actually should get a book out about grammar from the library. 200 common grammar structures or some shit, and learn from that. There's very little I've seen online that really goes all the way to a high level.
Why is anon so allergic to romaji? It's not as if you're going to get good at reading kana through a textbook. It takes much more reading than that to acquire a decent reading speed.
Doesn't Tae Kim say you typically don't use the negative conjugation of 思う and instead conjugate whatever it is just before the quote particle to the negative?
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that somewhere...
The latter is just generally not used. Although someone can probably find some context for it. Generally >>135593465
I don't know if Tae Kim says it but this is just an example of the kind of stuff it misses out. Tae Kim is like a crash course in grammar. It only gives you a brief overview. There are entire books on grammar out there with more complex structures and the like.
>You can get fit in a month
I did 20 pushups a day for a month and was still a hopeless bastard, the moment I stopped I atrophied in a matter of three days and my sternum cracked too.
Getting /fit/ takes 3 years of your life with good nutrition, form and routine.
so whats used more frequently between 毎年
anki showing me both, they mean the same thing and they're the same characters.. if this is an elaborate troll well 'you got me'
>You dont know something
>Therefore you are stupid and I wont teach you
>You can't learn because I want teach you
Mental Gymnastics, the post.
The worst part for me is being able to read all the kanji because I know Chinese, but then having such a basic knowledge of Japanese grammar that I only half know what's going on.
Just wrote up everything I read last year for archival purposes. 81 volumes of manga and 1 VN.
Not bad considering I could barely understand stuff like NHK News Easy last January.
No. It's nothing to do with the meaning. The latter is just not natural. I hesitate to say it's never used, but when you disagree or don't think something, end the sentence with 思わない、考えてない or whatever rather than put じゃない in the middle.