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Hey, first post. How about that. Well sorry to start it with a question, but I've got a question.

>ヤバイよー。これ マジヤバイよー。こなきゃとかた……

It's pretty clear that she's not liking the present situation and is thinking it'd have been better if they hadn't come. Isn't こなきゃ こなければ? As far as I know, なければ is "must", so it looks like she's saying it's good that they came? I'm messing up here somewhere, can someone help me understand this?
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I can learn Japanese
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Remember that Wanikani is the key to success!
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>>135453325
>Hey, first post.
Sorry, anon...
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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>>135453354

Yeah I see, my post apparently took too long. まぁいいか。仕方ない。
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>>135453410
>took too long
Actually, you need to lurk moar.
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>>135453929

Haven't seen that in eight years.
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>>135453978
That means you haven't lurked enough
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>>135454016

If you say so.
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>>135454041
So lurk more, those Japanese studies can wait
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>>135454231
>those Japanese studies can wait
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Who /reading/ here?
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Someone verify my translation. I dont think i have it correct.

もちろん、キノコやニンジン、キャベツを入れてもOK。炊飯器の加熱力は強力だから、早炊きモードなどにしない限り、しっかり野菜に火が通るだけではなく、やわらかくなるまで煮込んでくれるのだ。

Of course, mushrooms carrots, cabbage etc can also be put in. The rice cooker heating level should be "high" so set the rice cooker must be set to high and only high. Firm vegetables can't just be passed through the fire (??? they cant just be briefly cooked i guess??), they should be boiled alongside until they are tender.
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>>135454831
Of course, mushrooms carrots, cabbage etc can also be put in. The rice cooker's heating is strong, but as long as you don't set it to fast-heat mode or something like that, then your vegetables won't just be cooked, they'll also become soft.
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>>135454831
>>135454906
Actually, it seems like it says, "as long as you DO set it to fast heat mode". My mistake.
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>>135455307
ahhhhhhh which is it????
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>>135455324
Wow I actually fucked up in my correction. It actually is negative. So don't set it to high.
this is pretty comical, I shouldn't doubt myself so much
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>>135455405
what exactly is しっかり describing?
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>>135455453
It's an adverb here.
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I managed to read 22 pages of my LN today. When I started 12 days ago I could only manage 2 pages. This also blasts my previous record of 10 pages out of the water. Feels pretty good.
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>>135455813
Good job anon. Reading that much of a LN is quite an accomplishment, sincerely.
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>>135455707
Flyable Hearts once a week! I CAN LEARN JAPANESE!
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>>135455869
>once a week
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>>135455707
Jintai, still. Just about done with volume 7 now.
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>finish first 100 pages of bakemonogatari
>see that the whole damn thing is 456 pages

I think I'll leave this for later.
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i downloaded genki from resources here but i didnt see an answer book so did i get these right?

also oh god looking at english is weird
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>>135457587
Are you going to post every single page so we can grade you?
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>>135457587
This is a joke post, right?
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>>135457587
There's an answer book shithead. I downloaded it once twice by mistake
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>>135457587
>ogawa chan
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>>135457718
this desu
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>>135457587
II 2. たけだ not たけが. Rest is perfect. Especially the name suffixes. Some idiots waste their time learning Kanji, but just keep using Hiragana. Most words have Furigana anyway and even Japanese tend to forget Kanji
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>>135457718
yeah i got flustered and didnt know what to write i forgot to use san

>>135457644
>>135457662
>>135457694
no and i found the answer key books now

>>135457841
oop i get those mixed up, i was practicing trying to write from memory
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I said once I finished I would make a Flyable Heart chart, so in the future people have an easier way to judge progress. I thought using the sex scenes as checkpoints was the best way to do it without spoilers.

Everything is to scale and as accurate as I could make it. I used the skip function and a stopwatch to measure how long each section is. Then I spent 2 hours in paint making it.

I hope people find it helpful.
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>>135453325
なければalso means 'if not'
来なければmeans if i didn't come (here)
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What's it like doing 100 new words a day?
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>>135457993
Dreading the reviews tomorrow.
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>>135457993
more than 5x the reviews of doign 20 new words a day
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>>135457587
Ⅰ.1日本の学生 にほんのがくせい
2たけしの電話番号 たけしのでんわばんごう
3僕の/私の友達 ぼくの/わたしの友達
4英語の先生 えいごのせんせい
5みちこの専門 みちこのせんもん
Ⅱ.1○
2×たけが ○たけだ
3○
4○
5○
6 僕の(俺の)/私の専門は日本語です ぼくの(おれの)/わたしのせんもんはにほんごです
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I just finished up the introductory course, as recommended by this sub's wiki, on NihongoMaster.com, which just teaches you to read(/write/pronounce) Hiragana and Katakana, as well as a handful of introductory grammar courses.

Moving on to the beginner course requires premium membership, which is pretty costly for something like that in my opinion.

Can any of you recommend what would be the best next step at this point? Is one of the other online resources typically recommended after this, and if so, does it have a similar style of teaching? I don't mind if there is a one-time fee, but I don't care for monthly sub's. Something that would perhaps build off of what their course taught so far would be incredible.

Or would I just be better off going to a community college and continue there?

Thanks in advance.
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>>135458168
Post some of the replies.
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>>135458212
this
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>>135458212
I would really recommend you getting some kind of beginner textbook to study if you are serious about learning Japanese. My recommendation would be Genki 1 and 2 which should give you a good foundation to build up on.
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>>135458244
I also recommend Genki. Many of the best resources are printed books. Check out the Resources page listed on the right.
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>>135458295
>=_= i am retarded
Yes. You can't learn Japanese faggot.
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>>135458368
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I'm doing 60 new cards today to make up for not doing my 30 new cards yesterday. Here's hoping future me doesn't have too much trouble with the reviews.
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>>135458295
Bro do you go to 9gag? What's your ID
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>>135458457

darkslayer53

(i made it a few years ago when i was still a kid give me a break) (>.>)
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>>135458499
okay cool LOL bro. do you play roblox? add me
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>>135458499
How old are you now? Still 12?
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You know a thread has gone to shit when it has a couple of retards trolling and reverse-reverse-trolling each other
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>>135458552

hi-mit-su!

btw 12 isnt a kid its a young adult
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>>135457963

Thank you.
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>>135458575
easily ignored imo
mod might get to them eventually, but these are the slow hours
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>>135458575
>not even ten posts
>the thread's gone to shit WAHHH
Stop.
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外国人登録証明書 笑
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What does this mean?
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>>135459028
Something about Koto's rain.
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>>135459028
dekinai
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I'm studying kanji with the Heisig method, and I'm almost done. After that I wanted to start using this knowledge, for example by reading stuff for children.

However I noticed that children manga/books are written in hiragana instead of kanji because they can't read them yet. However for me this is actually way more difficult, because reading hiragana imply the knowledge of the words, the phonetic and so on, while kanji could be probably read even without knowing how to pronounce a word... Do you know of any good resources to practice them? Possibly something "funny", I'd like to avoid scholastic stuff as much as i can...In the meanwhile I'll continue to studying grammar and oral japanese to be able to understand the meaning behind hiragana, but for now I'd really like something to practice kanji
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>>135459028
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>>135459028
It would be a bit easier to translate if you gave context, but probably something like:
It's really abrupt too, and as a matter of fact I don't give a damn
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おかえり
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Fuck all you cunts.
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So, how many people actually got some studying done the last 3 hours?
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>>135459175
ただいま
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>>135459247
I was going to, but the batsu game is on.
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>>135455869
>reading a visual novel
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>>135459247
I got my reps done if that counts.
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>>135459094
RTK is for learning how do deal with Kanji. It does not teach you japanese. The Kanji knowledge you have now will speed up learning japanese a lot, but you have to start actually learning japanese first.

Either use Genki or read Tae Kim's guide while grinding vocab.

I know "just read" is the current meme, but you're not at the point where you can start reading things. Go learn some grammar and vocab, no matter how boring you think it is.
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I can feel my desire to learn slipping away
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Does ITH not work on Windows10?
How am I supposed to read visual novels if I can't read any new kanji?
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>>135459283
Oh link
How much have I missed?
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>>135459404
>not coming from the University of DJT
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>>135459404
What happened?
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>>135459404
You should wait 6 months between doing the tests instead.
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>>135459137
Thanks.
>context
It's literally the first line, I can't really give context.
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>>135459483
You've missed most of it at this point, it started 3 and a half hours ago. Might as well just wait for the torrent.
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>>135459482
Don't use Botnet10.
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>>135459533
aw, damn.
That fucking sucks.

I was so preoccupied with mogra.
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>>135459516
Thinking i would have gotten a better score than two months ago happened
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I can't handle all these New Year's Resolution retards. I'll be back when they quit next week.
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>>135459705
You might just have been unlucky with the questions.

What have you been doing though?
If you haven't studied much then it would make sense that your score has gone down.
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Has anyone here tried the Michel Thomas course?
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>>135459816
Where the fuck are people getting all these course names from holy shit

Just read the guide dude
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>>135459878
From the /int/ wiki.
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>>135459763
I studied more in these two months than the previous four months,i guess my reading comprehension is still shit and the previous results were skewed by luck.
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>>135459917
You're probably making progress then.
Still, that makes me a bit afraid of taking the J-Cat again...
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>>135459404
Why is your reading score so low? Did you skip core or something?
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>>135459917
If you had to guess a lot on your first attempt you might have gotten lucky and scored too high. I feel like my score was too high when I did it, so I'm gonna let questions I have no clue about just time out next time
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>>135459306
As opposed to eating it?
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>>135460324
You play them.
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>>135460324
>>135460362

HERE WE GO AGAIN LADS
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>>135460362
Sorry, sounds like a misunderstanding. I'm reading text rips of the game.
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>>135459917
Maybe you should consider changing study methods?
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>>135458453
>I'm doing 60 new cards today to make up for not doing my 30 new cards yesterday

That's not how learning works

>>135459094
There's really not. You've kind of been memed on, learning to recognize Kanji is largely worthless if you don't know the words the Kanji composes, and heisig doesn't teach readings so that doesn't help you much.

What heisig teaches you is "this Kanji *usually* means this vague sort of concept in compounds", and not " X Kanji means Y" which isn't how Japanese works.

It's not that your time is totally wasted, because you'll remember words more easily when you can guess at the meaning before knowing it, but you've done the equivalent of learning Latin roots and expecting to be able to read English.

I would recommend starting core2k/5k/6k/whatever, you'll learn words in hiragana and words in Kanji at the same time, which is what you want right now.

Otherwise you sound like you haven't learned grammar yet, which is the other component needed for reading, and there's resources for that in the guide.

>>135457587
I wish I had your Japanese handwriting.
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>>135461090
>That's not how learning works

It's how I keep my vocab progress linear.
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>>135461090
how is your handwriting?
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only 30 minutes left! みんな様、良いお年を!
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>>135461578
yeah if you live in a shitty country
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>>135461530
add me on roblox fucker
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>>135461530
I can take a picture in a few when I get off the train. It's pretty bad.

Not that I don't have shit handwriting normally, but Japanese seems to exacerbate it.
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>>135461610
>Japan
>Shitty country

I mean, it's not Switzerland, but Japan is quite dank.
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>>135461824
I'm the opposite. My handwriting is usually complete shit, inconsistent as fuck and I regularily skip letters and have to rewrite, but my Japanese is pretty okay. Maybe it is because I learned Japanes as an adult and with discipline?
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>>135462028
whats good about switzerland
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>>135457587
>there's a genki workbook

This is what I get for just googling genki and not looking at the links in the guide
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>>135462298
上流 ×じょうりょう ○じょうりゅう
下流 ×かりょう ○かりゅう
塩辛い ×しょっぱい ○しおからい
しょっぱい=塩っぱい
漢字上手ですね!
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爆弾の弾の字
よく見なおしてみてね
おにいちゃん
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>>135459902
>From the /int/ wiki.
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>>135462538
訂正してくれてありがとう
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あけましておめでとう
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あけましておめでとう.
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あけおめ
ことよろ
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Will you be fluent in 2016 anon ?
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>>135462911
In my dreams.
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明けましておもでとう
今年もよろしくお願いします
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>>135462911
I'm ending 2015 by spending New Years' Eve alone learning katakana

Maybe if I'm consistent I can read a VN within 2016
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>>135463108
You're never alone. You will always be part of the hivemind.
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>>135462911
No, but I'll make a portion of the progress I plan to, so I'll be better. I still have decades to play this waiting game Dekinai-chan, and you are going to lose.
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>>135462298
栄養の養の字も横に広げるといいよ
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>>135462539
>>135463165
今日の妹なんか厳しいよ
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>>135462911
I want someone to make a shitty first person horror game in unity where this girl is the monster. she insults you in japanese while chasing you.
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>>135463284
その厳しさこそが本当の優しさとでも言えるんじゃないか
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>>135463308
>she insults you in japanese while chasing you.
I think it'd be funnier in English.
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>>135463155
Dekinai does not sleep.
Dekinai does not vacation.
Dekinai does not fall ill.
Dekinai does not lose interest or get distracted.
Dekinai does not stop to eat, or sleep, or socialize.

You can wait decades? Dekinai can wait millennia.

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
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>>135463343
もちろんそうだけど。勘違いしないで、妹の事愛してるから
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>>135463403
kowai
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>>135463050
How hard is Mahoyo to read?
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how come

you smell so asian but look so caucasian
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>>135463604
I'd say it's a bit harder than your average eroge (especially when the writing turns purple as it does from time to time) but it's not too bad overall.

Lack of voice acting means you can't rely on it for dialogue, but that's the easiest part of the text to read anyway.
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>>135463983
Isn't that a good thing? Most caucasians smell like sweat and axe.
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>download Flyable Heart
>it won't fucking mount properly
Fuck this horseshit. I've never had an issue pirating crap before.
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>>135463343
>>135463451
おにいちゃんのことなんか
ぜんぜんすきなんかじゃないんだからね
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Hey, is the suspension system in Anki broken, or something? I created a couple of cards a month ago and inmediately suspended them. Today, I unsuspended them, and when I was reviewing, the "Good" button programmed both cards for February (2 months). I'm betting this shouldn't happen, right? What did I screw up?
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>>135464293
新年のに素直じゃないなぁ~
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>>135459404
>12月29日(火)~1月3日(日)はJ-CAT事務局の冬季休業期間です。この期間に個人受験を申し込まれた方は、1月4日(火)以降の受験となります。

whata fuck
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>>135464440
You should probably not bother taking J-CAT if you can't read that.

From the 29/12(Tuesday) to 3/1(Sunday) the J-CAT office will be closed for winter break. Any individual applications during this period will be set up for exams after 4/1(Tuesday)
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>>135462911
Yes ;_;
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>>135464095
Flyable Heart is garbage, stop listening to that one guy who keeps posting about it.
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あらたまの
としむかえたる
じょやのかね

いもうと
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>>135452814

This is probably very very wrong, how would you say it? Asking more of a direct translation, just for fun. Rather than an equivalent expression, though that would also be nice.

お前は話しを話してる、だが歩きを歩いてるんだ?
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W-Where do I b-begin?
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>>135464832
I don't want to ruin something good by playing it with sub-standard nip skills.
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>>135465042
You will enjoy it more if you don't understand what they say.
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今年もがんばるぞい!
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>>135465038
You cannot begin until you have already given up.
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>>135462303
It's clean and rich and the public transport just werks.

Only complaint is that it's kind of cold in winter.
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>>135461824
>>135457587

Here you go.

I just rewrote one of your sentences for equality of comparison.
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>>135465393
It also stores money for international criminals and corrupt shitskin tyrants
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>>135465462
>たけがちん
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>>135465602
>たけガちん
ftfy
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>>135465602
I shouldn't eat while writing.

Anyways, the point is that my handwriting is garbage.
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>>135465038
I feel like spoon feeding so I'll just go ahead.

Tae Kim for katakana/hiragana. If you want to try hard write them down on paper, if not just real kana it. Then, Tae Kim for grammar but only the first chapters to get the most important parts down. Tae Kim wants to teach you some vocabulary so make some effort to learn whatever words he wants you to learn. You can use Anki for this purpose. Download anki, make a new deck, add whatever words you come accross in the guide. Then, start reading. Start with manga, shit's pretty easy. You can try like Yotsuba or whatever but something like Yuru Yuri is also very accessible and easy to read I think.

THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS READING. I can't stress this enough. The faster you get to the reading part, the better. WHich is why you only want the very basics of grammar and Tae Kim is good for this because his chapters are fairly short.
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>>135465851
>THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS READING
That's not anki.
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too drunk to finish, sorry
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>>135465462
More scribbles
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>>135465921
Sell your TV for a 2 year trip to Japan and learn Japanese that way
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>>135465989
Fuck off idiot.
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>>135464305
No, that probably works as intended. You reviewed the cards at least once so they were no longer "new", but review cards. Then you suspended them and reviewed them again, probably around 3 weeks later. Since you pressed good, Anki goes "he knew still knew the card after 3 weeks, so the next interval is 2 months".

If you actually still knew the card, great, you just got a mature card without any of the early reviews....if you didn't, why did you answer "Good"?
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>>135466103
Please talk about the Japanese language in this thread.
Your post is useless and contributes nothing.
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>>135465952
>はひふへ...しま
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>>135465851
Fuck off reddit. You can't even learn Japanese so you're resort to giving advice to noobs (which they can get in a more detailed form in the guide) to feed your pathetic ego? Seriously?
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>>135466166

Report and ignore.

All will burn and perish eventually.
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>>135465851
Just say read Tae Kim for everything.

Personally, I didn't like Tae Kim at all. I had to force my way to finish it.
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にほんの新年のならわし

>若水
年が変わったら、水を汲みます。
なんのためにといわれると困るけど、そういう風習です
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>>135466383
I don't like Tae Kim either. His explanations are shit.
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>>135466438
へー(無関心)
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>>135465989
You can't learn japanese without 4k
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>>135466566
You could just use multiple monitors to do the same thing
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Nigga gonna l learn japanese for new years!!
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>>135466607
stop pretending to be black first
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>>135465488
You're making it sound like some kind of issue which would negatively affect the quality of life in Switzerland.
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>>135466646
>only black people talk like that
I envy the place you grew up in
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>>135466646
Tell me what to do one more time you little turdboy.
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>>135466674
The original question wasn't about the quality of life in Switzerland.
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Just bought some authentic japanese manga.
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>>135466607
You can't even speak English.
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>>135466724
I didn't know that "What's good about Switzerland" is commonly considered a question regarding the morality of the Swiss banking system.
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>>135466780
That's amazing, how much did it cost?
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Happy new year djt, because it's new year in the good old japan, the place that I live at, I can hear the taikos and the cherry blissom fireworks by my window (we call them hana bi here haha) well see you my eop friends, or as we call it "sayonara" here in the land of the rising sun
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>>135466894
I thought they said that in hawaii
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>>135466843
40 bucks usd.
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>>135466438
あたしも済ませたよ
電気ポットの水を汲みかえて
神棚にそこから少し捧げるんだけど
なんでなんだろうね。縁担ぎなのかな
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I'm doing realkana WITH THE HANDWRITTEN KATAKANA IN FRONT OF ME and I'm still only getting 85% correct.

Why is katakana so cancerous?
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>>135466894
Enjoy your gohan.
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>>135467153
Stop posting about kana.
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>>135467153
it'll cement itself in your mind once you start reading

also, if you're a nyrfag you aren't gonna make it
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>>135464305
>>135466141

To fix this (if you really want these cards to be new) use Edit-->Reschedule in the card browser.
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>>135466939
○験担ぎ
○縁起がいい

?縁担ぎ
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>>135467224
I'm not, I'm worse.

I'm a "I thought I could get by without learning katakana" fag that now has to go back for it begrudgingly.
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>>135467282
Jesus
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>>135466780
Buy some more.
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水田イェス
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>>135466269
You could say the exact same thing about the guide itself, really, in that it attempts to explain how to systematically learn Japanese instead of just pointing to the guides and references that actually read like they were created by adults and a teenager.

But it's fun to throw stones in glass houses.
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I took a break from Japanese to learn how to whistle.

The time I use daily for studying Japanese, I devoted to learning to whistle instead.

I expected it take a day or two.

It's been an entire month.

I still can't whistle.
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>>135467475
The problem was the meaningless post which is inherently inferior to the guide that was made just to satisfy the anon's own ego.
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そぬ
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>>135467282
>平成二十八年
>tainting 大和言葉 with 外来語
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>>135467514
I also can't whistle, shit is not fair
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>>135467514
Took me a couple years

I decided I would try and whistle along to the radio in the car on the way back home from school, every day was this, I'd whistle along to the radio and I can now whistle, albeit horribly out of tune.
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>>135467538
You could say the exact same thing about the guide itself, really, in that it attempts to explain how to systematically learn Japanese instead of just pointing to the guides and references that actually read like they were created by adults and a teenager.

But it's fun to throw stones in glass houses.
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>>135467475
>>135467621
you sound like a great person to be around
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>>135467621
The guide doesn't require a post though.
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What does ザマス mean?
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Anyone else reads slowly as fuck when starting something from a new author and gets faster when you get used to his writing style?
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>>135467671
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

>>135467713
Nor does it require a thread.
It's fun to throw stones in glass houses.
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>>135467747
No; what does being able to read feel like?
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>>135467514
I learned to whistle when I was five by practicing for a few minutes in front of a mirror in my grandma's house.
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>>135467741
だってばよ、みたいなもの
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>>135467741
https://kotobank.jp/word/ざます-511934

>…でございます。…です。
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>>135467774
Feels really tedious and painful. Would not recommend.
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>>135467770
>Nor does it require a thread
The thread isn't here for the guide, the thread is here to answer questions which cannot be answered by the guide (or through five minutes of google).
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>>135467747
I used to, but now my reading speed is more stable for the most part. I do still experience that effect sometimes, but most writers are just not idiosyncratic enough to slow me down.
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>>135467747
Yup. It gives me a nice sense of accomplishment too.
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>>135467514
I learned how to whistle as a kid
Then I wanted to whistle without having to take breaks breathing in so I learned how to whistle while sucking in air. Was pretty easy desu
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>>135464061
>死ななきゃ安い
What did she mean by this?
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>>135467975
>>135467807
Tell me your secrets
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>>135467978
Death is cheap.
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>>135457963
Wow that's dedication. Thanks.
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>>135467861
are you guys sure? then what is ざます口調?
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>>135467978
You're lucky if you don't die.
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>>135467978
"As long as I don't die, it's alright (a cheap price to pay)."

She's insinuating that Soujuurou is an idiot who doesn't care if he gets hurt as long as it doesn't kill him.
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>>135468164
It's like です but you say ざます instead

I think
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>>135468001
Make your mouth into the whistling shape and then find the proper amount of air to push through to make the noise
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>>135468226
I get it now. Thanks.
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>>135468164
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/62179/meaning/m0u/

>言葉の使い方などに表れた特徴

ですます口調
「~っす」口調
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>>135468164
Are you stupid? Context alone should explain this.
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>>135468001
I learned to whistle when I was five by practicing for a few minutes in front of a mirror, what makes you think I have any clue how I did it? Like the other anon said, you just put your mouth in the right shape and blow the right amount of air. It's hard to explain it any more precisely. Try not putting too much strength in the muscles around your lips I guess. Also, make sure your lower lips are not too protruded.
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>314 reviews left to do
I hate this. Whoever said that Anki is fun was a lying cunt.
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>>135469221
Get slightly drunk before doing reviews
Just a couple drinkies
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>>135469221
Don't bother with anki. If you've done beginner and intermediate grammar, I'd just jump into listening practice. I'm only JLPTN4/N3 and I get quite a bit out of moomin.
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>>135469303
Fuck off
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>>135469303
>N4 giving advice

Now I've seen everything.
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>>135469359
Don't you have anything better to do other than telling every post you don't like to fuck off?
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>>135469393
But I haven't even taken any JLPT
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>>135469446
whoops meant >>135469346
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>>135469406
What? You're the only one who I've told to fuck off.
If you're going to give "advice" that you know is shitty anyway then why don't you just shut up?
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>>135469346
I can recognise words that I know just fine in their spoken form already. The problem is that my pool is still too small to really let me learn new words from that context properly.
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>>135469511
It's not shitty at all, it will just make you brighter and you will enjoy anki more.
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When am I supposed to be able to start reading?
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Who is this semen demon?
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Time to take a break from djt until the NYRfags leave.
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>>135469346
>I'm only JLPTN4/N3
>let me tell you how to learn Japanese
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>>135469654
What the fuck does NYR mean
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I used to enjoy trying to finish my last leg of reps before the bottle of tussin kicks in. It's a pain in the ass on one, impossible on two.
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>>135469587
Whenever you want. You can try right now.
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>>135469481
I said N4-N3 and both are just guesses anyway. Taking the test isn't worth it.
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>>135469671
Fuck off ESL.
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>>135469671
Why don't you try thinking about it for a minute instead of shitting out an expletive-laden reply 18 seconds later.
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HOLY SHIT GUYS SE ANNOUNCED FFIX FOR PC WITH 3X BATTLE SPEED OPTION

TIME FOR A JAPANESE REPLAY
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>>135469711
So you just guess that you're bad at Japanese? How does that make it any better?
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>>135469715
Too late, we're already the majority here. Maybe you should fuck off.
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>>135469767
Why do you care
They probably won't even include japanese language in western releases and you can already speed it up however you want in an emulator
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>>135469780
I'm not sure what you're saying. I'm not bad at Japanese. Why should anon do anki if he doesn't even enjoy it. That's just going to make him want to quit Japanese.
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>>135469744
New York Retards?
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>>135469807
this
The whole world is ESL
We rule this planet
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>>135469851
If you think you're N3, you're bad at Japanese.
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>>135469767
But IX was boring as hell.
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>>135469851
>why should you eat vegetables if you don't enjoy them
>why should you exercise if you don't enjoy it
>why should you do your homework if you don't enjoy it
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>>135468360
You're welcome.
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>>135469715
>telling people off for being language learners in a language learning thread
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>>135469807
Isn't it almost 50-50?
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>>135469904
Do you even lift, /djt/?

Or are you all fat NEETs?
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>>135469923
ESLs are lowlifes who will never amount to anything though.
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>>135469893
Not sure what you're saying again. N3 is B1 last time I checked which is intermediate.
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>>135469895
Because of the battle speed and that's gonna be fixed.
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>>135469872
New Years Resolution fags
Its usually not so salty in here
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>>135469975
N2 is intermediate by /djt/ standards.
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>>135466141
Oh, so that's how Anki works. Makes sense. Thank you, anon!
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>>135469851
>Why should anon do anki if he doesn't even enjoy it.
Anki is REALLY important to successfully learning Japanese, you can only succeed without it if you read/watch a metric fuck ton, but the kind of people who can't motivate themselves to do 30m-60m of anki a day sure as fuck aren't going to be able to motivate themselves to read hard Japanese for several hours a day.

The only time I think it's ok to drop anki is when you can follow anime and read novels without much trouble. Before that and you're risking a lot for little reward.
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>>135470001
No, because of the boring characters and setting.
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>>135469931
I get the impression ESLs are hold a sizeable majority here in DJT, and the only time I've seen a poll being conducted it agreed with this. Not that strawpolls mean much, but it certainly wasn't proxied given how few votes there were in total.
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>>135470018
>New Years Resolution fags
How is this even a thing? I swear to god, people will look for any excuse to take sides these days.
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Gas the ESLs, race war now. /djt/ belongs to the anglos.
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>>135470034
>>135469851
Also, Anki's most important function in my opinion is grinding kanji (both recognition and their function in words) into your memory, if you drop anki before you have kanji down you're going to have a bad time no doubt. Even Finnie who is fluent from infinite anime works struggles with kanji. So, anki is really important. That's why he should do it even if he doesn't want to.
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>>135470096
Learning a language is a pretty common resolution among normalfags.
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>>135470096
>How is this even a thing?

I take it you've been here less than a year and never go to the gym.
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>>135470031
That's also why it's really stupid to "start over" when you've given up and then come back months later. Just work through the review backlog. Even if you fail 90% of the cards, you won't have to bother with the 10% you actually DO still remember.
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>>135469975
DJT has a skewed perspective of what intermediate really is.
N5 - A1 - Breakthrough or beginner
N4 - A2 - Way stage or elementary
N3 - B1 - Threshold or intermediate
N2 - B2 - Vantage or upper intermediate
N1 - C1 - Effective operational proficiency or advanced
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American Power Hour is starting, time to abandon thread for a bit
Enjoy drowning in your own shit
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>>135469956
I gave up because I wasn't getting any results

Might get back into it next year, I mean this year.
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>>135470205
>1:00pm
>Power hour.
ESLs can't actually be this dumb, right?
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>>135470195
More like

N5 - You literally know nothing
N4 - You learnt kana
N3 - You know how to say "good morning"
N2 - You can read shitty LNs
N1 - You can read news and stuff but not harder LNs and VNs
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>>135470163
I've been here on DJT for three years and on /a/ for twice as long, I don't usually go to or pay attention to conversations about the gym.

>>135470156
That makes sense. I still don't think we've been getting more traffic from "NYRfags" though. Not enough to warrant it being a thing. As I see it's just another boogieman for shitposters to use when they're tired of shouting reddit or whatever.

Reddit really is real and cancer though.
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>>135470316
There are NYRfags. And a disproportionate amount of beginners since the start of december.
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How the fuck do people think romaji is easier than kana as far as pronunciation goes? Fuck you, Japanese the Manga Way. What a fucking awful book.
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>>135470096
Not really. Many people will make resolutions to do shit they never end up doing, like going to the gym to get fit or learn a new language. Some people just get really annoyed by it
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>>135470287
not knowing what one or two obscure words mean doesn't mean you "can't read" something
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>>135470195
I think intermediate to begin with is kind of a meaningless word. What is an intermediate? I think among most people it just conjures up an image of someone in the "middle" - better than a beginner, worse than a master". With that in mind, delineating the JLPT levels like that doesn't accomplish much.
>>135470287
Your ranking is just garbage. N5 tests basic grammar, so you need to know something. N4 tests kanji, so you need to know more than just kana. N3 isn't excessively difficult or anything but it's way harder than "good morning". And the real shitfest is N2/N1, "shitty" LNs are no harder than "good" LNs to read, they're both Japanese. If you can pass N1, you can read anything, even harder VNs at a very proficient level. The straight up language difficulty of harder stuff is exaggerated and this is coming from someone who's read Muramasa and LOGH. It mostly just comes down to obscure vocabulary which isn't a very good measure of actual difficulty.
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>>135470205
This is Australian power hour, friend.
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>>135470565
>Not knowing how to read something doesn't mean you don't know how to read.
Ok.
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>>135470287
>You can read news and stuff but not harder LNs and VNs
It's possible to achieve a level where you can read most LNs and VNs, even the hard ones, and still have a hard time with news. In fact, a lot of people here will likely reach this state at some point. It's just a matter of what sort of vocabulary and language you're used to at this point, one is not particularly harder than the other.
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>>135470471
>>135470316
The problem is:

>massive influx
>asking stupid newbie questions over and over
>quit within two months
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>>135470731
But that happens all year round.
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>>135470119

>studying42.jpg

It's time for a dump, anon.
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>>135470287
>know kana
>can say "good morning"
>couldn't pass the N5 if I tried

Anon you're making me feel bad

No bully pls
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>>135470766
Not in the same volume.
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>>135470777
I scatter them through my posts.
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>>135470837
Yes it does. I think you people are all suffering from confirmation bias or something similar.
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The mega link in the anki startup guide is dead. Does anyone have another link?
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>>135470787

kana is ez

あエいオう, just like english

ohio (I remember it by saying friendly people say good morning in ohio)
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At what point can I start transitioning into thinking of Japanese only in Japanese. I feel like English is becoming too much of a crutch.
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>>135470901
Dude, you're seriously retarded if you don't think New Years' Resolutions are a thing.

Maybe you live in Ethiopia or something and it's not locally culturally relevant, but fuck dude, come off it.
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>>135470913
It works fine.
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>>135471113
Please learn to pay attention to the discussions you're getting in before saying the first thing that comes to your head. I'm not saying new years resolutions aren't a thing. I'm saying there hasn't been a significant difference in traffic in DJT and hence no reason to blame random shitposing on "NYRfags".
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>>135470984
When you can read a sentence without having to stop and think about what the grammar/vocab means. After that point you'll read thousands and thousands of sentences without stopping. And will understand them in Japanese, not English.
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Newfag here, I need to memorize everything about the kana first both phonetically and how it's write, right?
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>>135471269
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Probably spent 600 hours on Jap this year. Maybe I'll actually get good by the end of next year, who knows.
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>>135471269
Yes, you should learn how to write the kana, preferably the first few hundred kanji too.
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>>135471113
>lose weight

This is my resolution, but I started back in late September so it's more like a continuation.
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>>135470955
Good question, I looked up 彡but didn't see a single kanji that looked like the second so I gave up.
>>135471339
Funny how it seems so small when you say "600 hours in a year" but really that's almost 2 hours a day.
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>>135471361
Thanks I will do it no matter how much time it takes.
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>>135471469
If you look closely you can see when I had exams. Graph porn is great.
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>>135471339
What is this?
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>>135471523
Dude, it should take you an afternoon if you're not learning how to write it from memory. Getting to the point where you see a kana and know what it is should take an hour or two.

Don't just grind realkana though, read Tae Kim's bit on kana as well (at minimum).
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My NYR is to go through core 10k, each square is 15 words.
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>>135471339
Woah fuck, I double taked at 17,478 mature cards. Damn, do you really still need anki? Seems like over kill.
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>>135471339
>tfw

I'm sorry /djt/ it won't happen again
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>>135471708
I'm doing decks that aren't optimized. 30k cards is 6k vocab.
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>>135471653
Cool physical medium, grandpa.
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Has anyone actually used that not!core 5k deck?


If nobody has any major criticisms of it I'm going to take the plunge myself.
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>>135471206

So I shouldn't start using Japanese dictionaries quite yet?
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>>135470955
It's chinese, last one is the traditional writing of 万
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>>135471339
Are those 17000 mature cards all from this year? If so, insanely impressive.
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>>135471795
My condolences.
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>>135463403
>That is not dead which can eternal lie.
Dekinai is nothing more than a manifestation of the fear of failure. You know as well as I do that fear only exists for one purpose: to be conquered.
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>>135471840
I don't think using Japanese dictionaries really matters too much. I mean, obviously it matters when a word isn't in jmdict and you need to know what it means, but really it's not like switching from J->E to J->J is actually a big deal.
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>>135471845
Thanks.
Too bad I don't know any chinese person who can help.
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>>135471884
Well I knew 50 words top a year ago, now I can understand JLPT 3 level content. Hopefully I'll reach 10k vocab by January 1st 2017.
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>>135471621
Thanks.
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>>135472028
Yeah, exactly, my condolences for wasting so much time, and my condolences for wasting so much time in the future.
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>>135472100
But what if he does it for the lulz?
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>>135472100
We all learn at different speeds anon. At least I didn't give up 10 days into the learning process like many do. Consistency is key to success.
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>>135472218
Man, so much redundancy is pointless no matter how you look at it. You won't really learn most words until you see them in context a few times. Use some of the time you're currently spending grinding anki to read more.
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>>135472218
Well, it's not that you're learning at a different speed. It's that you're learning a lot of useless information and thereby wasting time and energy for little to no reward.
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>>135472330
I would disagree. I keep encountering the words I've grinded in Anki in native content outside Anki.
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>>135472455

I don't think that's what he was implying. I think he's implying 30k cards for 6k vocab is a damn waste of time. Because you "flesh out" the learning of words in context by reading anyway, there's not much reason for having any more than 6k cards for 6k vocab.
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>>135472455
Dude.

There's no explanation that makes studying the same word in multiple cards make sense.
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>>135472560
Yes, you got it.
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>>135472100
Look at where are making such statements: on the biggest fucking time sink in existence.
Get some self awareness before you make judgements on how other people ought direct their life priorities.
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I didn't know there were people that did anki and nothing else. That's weird.
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>>135472560
>>135472564
Sure that is one way to look at it. I still think I'll learn Japanese eventually with this method. Seeing the same words used in multiple examples are useful.
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>>135472689
There isn't.
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>>135470639
What deck(s) do you use?
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>>135472689
I'm a person that does anki and nothing else

I didn't know I was unusual
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>>135472663
Nah, different situations. Grinding in anki requires effort and concentration. Meanwhile, shitposting on 4chan requires neither. He's wasting effort AND time, I'm just wasting time.
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>>135472736
Piss off you braindead autist.
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>>135472709

But you'll see words in various contexts through reading anyway...

Anon, why spend 500% the time you need to on Anki? It makes no sense.
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>>135472721
My own mined vocab deck + DOJG. When reading you need to know the grammar and the vocabulary. Therefore, I study grammar and vocabulary. Well, not so much grammar anymore, but you get the idea.
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>>135471653
>still using pen and paper the year of our lord 2015
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>>135472792
Maybe he wants to?
It makes no sense to learn Japanese in the first place.
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>>135472789
Man cuz you just got rekt, rage rugrat?
>>135472792
I don't think there's any point in trying to convince him to change. He's set in his ways because "it's worked so far, why mess with a good thing?". That's why I said "my condolences for wasting so much time in the future" - I knew he wouldn't listen to advice.
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>>135472871
Writing benefits the mind and helps with memory later in life if you write daily.

>>135472890
What advice could a failure like you possibly offer to anyone?
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>>135472980
>a failure like you
Who am I?
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>>135472890

Yeah, it's not that his method won't work, it's that it's incredibly inefficient. Like, I could study kana every day, 1 hour a day, for the next year, and you better believe I'd be the fucking kana master by the time 2017 came around. But to what end? I could have used that same time to study more efficiently in other areas, just like this anon with his bizarre Anki method.
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>>135472980
A keyboard is no worse than the pen for that.
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>>135473136
It is worse, though. Because brain reasons.
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>温泉で
>ああ~、極楽極楽~
>じいさんかよ、おまえ
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>>135470639
Is the answer 4?
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>>135473174
Sure thing bud.
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>>135473033
A failure.
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>>135473199
Yes
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>>135473073
To be fair, I've made huge progress this year. It's not really that bizarre or ineffective as you make it out to be.
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Who is your favorite manga?
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>>135471113
>39% of 20 somethings keep resolutions the entire year

20 somethings are a bunch of liars.
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>>135473136
Sure, that's why they try to get people with AD to write with a keyboard every day. Oh wait, they fucking don't. Using a keyboard to type is entirely different from using a pen to write from memory, without the aid of a computer.

Stop going to ridiculous lengths to justify your position and just accept that the only reason you don't practice writing it because you are lazy and don't want to challenge yourself in that area.
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>>135473307
>It's not really that bizarre or ineffective as you make it out to be.
It is precisely 500% ineffective and the bizarre part is you being OK with that.
You made ok progress. And you would have made 2.5x progress at least if you didn't do what you're doing. But like I said. My condolences for all the time you've wasted and will continue to waste.
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>>135473344
>Who
Are you asking my favorite mangaka or are you just bad with pronouns?
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>>135473213
http://www.medicaldaily.com/why-using-pen-and-paper-not-laptops-boosts-memory-writing-notes-helps-recall-concepts-ability-268770
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>>135473307

Listen anon, I'm not saying it's ineffective for learning Japanese, nor minimizing what you've accomplished so far. It's not ineffective - just inefficient. The way I see it, you could have spent a whole lot less time on Anki for the same results.
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>>135473397
Did you read that article? Or did you just stop at the title? because it's hardly a worthwhile source.
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>>135473388
>It is precisely 500% ineffective
No it isn't.
>And you would have made 2.5x progress
It doesn't fucking work that way. Progression isn't linear.

Fuck off with your sad attempt at giving advice when it is clear you are a beginner yourself.
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>>135473388
Sure you can post random numbers and percentages to argue for your "superb method", but considering I can't spend all day doing Japanese because of College I think I've done great this year.
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>>135473486
>No it isn't
My bad, I meant to type "inefficient".

As for the rest of your post: Rage rugrat maaaad? Rage rugrat want cooookie and miiiiiilk?
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>>135473380
Typing is much more satisfying (if you're mechanical keyboard master race) and leads to better retention. There's really no arguing this.
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>>135471830
I posted this a couple days ago, so I'll just copy and paste it.

Pros:
>Cute voice
>More interesting sentences than Core2k6k
Cons:
>Sentences only
>Lots of mistakes/inconsistencies
>Decent number of "useless" words like 競馬
>Lots of city names

I went with Core5k because I was sick of Core2k6k, because I tried it several times before and kept quitting. I didn't want to look at the same words/sentences again and hear the same audio again. And I really liked the voice. It wasn't professionally done though, so sometimes you can hear the TV in the background, and in 1 card you can hear an ambulance.

The absolute biggest problem is that the vocab word cannot be separated. There is one field that has both the vocab word and its definition. So you usually have to read the entire sentence for every card, which makes reps take forever.
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>>135473538
> random numbers and percentages
No, you're doing 5 cards per 1 note, instead of 1 card per 1 note, ergo 5x inefficient, ergo 500%.
Anon, it's really simple. It's not a "superb method" or anything. You're just doing way more cards in anki than you need to be. It's that simple. It's not about time due to college, it's not about any of that. It's just you doing more work than you need to do to learn what you're learning.

You did OK, and you could of done better, and in the future you could be doing better if you change. But you won't. So, my condolences for all the time you are going to waste.
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>>135473486

>>It is precisely 500% ineffective
>No it isn't.

Not him. I'll agree it isn't 500% ineffective because seeing words in different contexts does confer tangible benefits. However, I don't see how spending so much more time on Anki is worth these benefits since you would have eventually gotten them through reading anyway. If he wanted to do a sentence deck, it should have been a hell of a lot more optimized so he wasn't spending so much time on the same words.

While the other guy is definitely being immature I haven't seen you give a decent response to him either.
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>>135473538
My fellow student of Japanese, I believe the point is that you could spend exactly the same amount of time studying but achieve much better results if you modified your study method. 
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>>135473659
>While the other guy is definitely being immature
When rage rugrats post, there's no point in being mature with them because they sure as hell aren't going to be mature in response. May as well make fun of them instead.
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>>135473681
yay meme
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>>135473681
That's probably true.
And you could write twice the amount of letters in the same space if you just stopped being stupid
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>>135473397
>“But they were also more likely to take verbatim notes, and this 'mindless transcription' appeared to cancel out the benefits.”

So, that's the problem. Fuck all to do with the pen itself.
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>>135473678
This is hipster shit. Good lord.
>muh pencil and papes!
>it's ackshually graphite, not lead hurr hurr.
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>>135473465
No, because you can literally Google it yourself because there's countless scientific articles saying the same thing
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>>135473465
There is no point with your type because you'll reject what doesn't support your world view and accept that which does. The "hardly worthwhile source" you are dismissing has over 140 citations and you can find it here:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9817.2008.00380.x/abstract;jsessionid=E7B44320CB538D49B9F82A2833AD5A51.f02t03?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
Here is the other one, which has been cited 104 times:
https://sites.udel.edu/victorp/files/2010/11/Psychological-Science-2014-Mueller-0956797614524581-1u0h0yu.pdf

>>135473543
Please fuck off if you aren't going to attempt to act your age.

>>135473615
>and leads to better retention
>There's really no arguing this.
You're right: I'm free to dismiss this out of hand because your positive statement has no supportive evidence. Your satisfaction is relative.
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>>135473615
Bollocks, typing with an IME is fer less satisfying than writing kanji.
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Why would you defend so strongly an inefficient method?

Do you not want to learn Japanese?
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>>135473843
>Please fuck off if you aren't going to attempt to act your age.
Wow, focusing on tone instead of content?

Anywho, the problem with the source is as >>135473792 says, among other problems. That's why I asked if you just read the title - it doesn't actually support your claim.
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>>135473817
Pencils are hipster now? Dear god
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What compels people to come here and be so argumentative about everything?
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>>135473917
It's not inefficient. /djt/ is just filled with shitposters. Any minute spent on Japanese is a minute closer to fluency.
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>>135473917
The guy himself just doesn't seem to understand the problem (for some reason?) where as >>135473486 is just being anal so he can yell at someone he doesn't like. No one is really seriously defending it.
>>135474031
Time to spend several hours grinding Kana decks, every minute spent with'm is a minute closer to fluency!
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>>135474031
Maybe that one minute would be better if it was spent on actual japanese like in a book/movie and not isolated words and phrases on a flashcard.
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So for vocabulary am I just supposed to take whatever words core10k throws at me?
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>still trying to learn jap when it's literally impossible
Just stop your futile attempts already.
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To help the inefficient anon, and to go off >>135473917's post:

I know firsthand what it is like to realize your study method is inefficient, and that it is at first hard to accept. I am an RTKfag, but rather than argue the benefits of RTK, I just want to talk about the study methods I used for RTK and how they were inefficient since it relates to this anon's study methods right now.

In addition to writing down the keyword and kanji for RTK, I would write down the entire "story," in English, along with those two items. This took a long time but I felt convinced that this was the "right" way to do things. I posted what I did on DJT and someone called me a retard, I got defensive, etc. But then I decided to try not writing down the story and just using my imaginative memory. At first I didn't like it; it felt like a weird and alien process. But then I realized I was going through the book twice as fast with similar retention rates. I felt a load off my shoulders since I could now move at twice the speed, but I also felt dumb for my wasted time up to that point.

I guess my point is: study methods can absolutely be inefficient. Just because something is "working" does not mean it could not be working BETTER. If someone tells you you are spending more time than you should on something, they may be wrong, of course. However, they may be right. Try other people's advice, see if it works for you. If it doesn't, oh well, if it does, then hey, you are now making much faster progress.
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>>135474191
Do Core2k, yes taking whatever words it throws at you.
Then start reading (in the meantime you should have read grammar guides) and mine words you see into your own deck. Take what words you want to learn.
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>>135474093
>comparing decks filled with Kanji and expressions as the same as pure kana
Please stop. You're not fooling anyone with this shitposting.
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>>135474191
You’re supposed to read the guide, cancer.
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>>135474355
i l o v e th i s im e m e
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>>135474323
He made an absolute statement, which is wrong. Let me quote him
>Any minute spent on Japanese is a minute closer to fluency.
ANY minute spent. He shouldn't make absolute statements like that if it's not actually true in absolutely all cases.
>>135474236
I think this problem is exacerbated by the fact we don't even know what the other 5 card types for the 1 note are.
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>>135474281
Alright then thanks. How come 2k though?
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>>135473917
How well can write and speak Japanese?

>>135473949
Follow the citations.

>>135473993
You make out like arguing is a negative thing.

>>135474093
Are you aware how painfully ironic your post is? You've been carrying on this entire time because SOMEONE ELSE is studying in a way that doesn't suit your ideas of personal study efficiency. Efficiency is entirely relative. All caps because it needs to be fucking paid attention to. Your are projecting your ideals of what constitutes the best route of efficiency for anon without knowing anything about him. In this context, you were the first to jump up and start stamping your feet because you perceived something you didn't like.

Step back and assess the situation. People telling others what is best for them without knowing the slightest thing about their circumstances are what turns these threads into a mess of egos and overly personal attachment to methodology that misses the entire point of how language is acquired. You're doing far more harm then good here, anon.
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>>135474557
Core2k has 1,000 unique kanji which will give enable you to productively read without drowning in kanji (+ unknown words). Core10k only has 2,000~ which is way more work for way less gain, plus many words of those are things you'll never see outside of newspaper articles.
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>>135474610
>In this context, you were the first to jump up and start stamping your feet because you perceived something you didn't like.
I didn't stamp my feet. I told him I was sorry that he was wasting time. And have maintained that I know he won't change so I won't try and change him. Other people have taken up that mantle in this argument.
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>>135474610
Oh humanity. Why must we go on?
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>>135474610
>>135474763
You’re a single pair of autists conspiring to shit up this thread, please cease and desist.
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>>135474690
>plus many words of those are things you'll never see outside of newspaper articles.
Plus chuuni as hell LNs where they write with one kanji and then bastardize the reading
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A kimono wearing otaku social studies professor and hikikomori was teaching a class on Asian History.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Emperor Akihito and accept that that the Japanese are the most highly-evolved human beings that the world has ever known."

At this moment, a sagacious, filial, scholar-gentleman who has scored ahead of 150,000 students in the Civil Service Exams and understood the full extent of the barbarity of those living outside Zhongguo held up a copy of the Nihon Shoki.

"What are the characters written upon the pages of the Nihon Shoki?"

The arrogant professor smirked, tightened his hachimaki, and smugly replied "Kanji, you baka."

"True, Kanji, which loosely translates into "Han characters." To be precise the Nihon Shoki is written in Guwen, which is Classical Chinese script. If the Japanese are indeed perfect human beings then they would have come up with their own culture & civilization as opposed to just borrowing from the Chinese or from anyone else."

The Professor was visibly shaken and dropped his calligraphy brush and copy of CLAMP's Cardcaptor Sakura. He stormed out of the room and tried to commit seppuku like in his animes.

The students applauded with a big "wansui!" and all signed up with the Popular Uprising that day and declared that the scholar-gentleman has the Mandate of Heaven. A dragon named "All Under Heaven" flew into the room and coiled around the Chinese flag and magically turned it yellow. The Analects was read several times, and the Jade Emperor himself showed up and enacted territorial seizures of disputed territories around the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of complications caused by an erroneous performance of the seppuku ritual and went to Diyu, where he is tried, found guilty, and punished by the Ten Yama Kings of Diyu.
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>>135474831
Whenever I talk about "newspaper words" in Core6k I think of this word in particular which to date I haven't seen in a single novel over 2 years of reading
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>>135474610

>you were the first to jump up and start stamping your feet because you perceived something you didn't like.

Not him, but you seem to be misunderstanding. This is not anger. It is trying to help. I don't want to see people wasting their time. Of course it is working for him, but he could be doing it much faster. And I have firsthand experience with doing something inefficiently - I am ever thankful that anon called me out on being an inefficient retard. Don't act as if unsolicited advice is always unhelpful.
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Should I drill the kanji Tae Kim gives me as I drilled all the kana before starting each exercise or should I just kinda try to remember some and drill them later, whenever I feel like it (for example, after I'm done with Tae Kim's grammar).
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>>135475001
Yeah, that too.

The only tantrum-esque angry stuff happened when >>135472663 this guy jumped in but that doesn't have anything to do with the actual argument/discussion.
>>135474610
>You make out like arguing is a negative thing.
I think the idea is that arguing has a negative connotation. Even the definition of the word has:
>an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
>typically a heated or angry one.
Arguments are bad, discussions and debate are good.
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>生まれて初めて布団を敷いた
Does this mean "I laid the futon for the first time in my life" or I laid my life's first futon?
I'm in doubt because the first one is a bit retarded
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>>135474933
Never seen this one before, 8/10.
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>>135475420
How would you lay your life's first futon?
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>>135475420
Point your riki at the first kanji in that sentence.
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>>135475471
The first futon you ever had as opposed to the one you're currently using
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>>135459917
First of all, the test can only be but so accurate, so trying to measure small changes is pointless. Give it 6 months and really make some progress before you come back.

This test, for me, seems to be accurate and actually reflects changes in my study habit. Pic related is the result of focusing primarily on listening practice, and completing grammar workbooks (using 日本語総まとめN3/N2), but more or less dropping anki. (Don't drop anki.)
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>>135475649
It's so shit when anki dumps a million definitions at you.
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>cancel new cards today because probably won't have enough time to finish them
>doing reviews only takes 9 minutes
W-working hard
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>>135475649
Even Anki tells you it's pointless to keep using Anki.
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>>135476031
To me, it looks like anki is telling me to keep using it.
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>>135475988
That girl makes my heart go doki doki. How difficult is her VN?
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>>135476091
And the firearm hidden between your breasts, assuming you don't live in a commie slave shithole.
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>>135476119
Attaboy.
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>>135476141
Easy. Only hard bits are the stuff about architecture (due to seeing words you wouldn't have seen even in English probably) and the phone bits.

Hoshi Ori is one of those VNs that you use a texthooker for, but then find yourself just reading the text for 10+ consecutive lines because you just don't need it.
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>>135475988
>>135476278
Her breasts look fake.
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>>135476442
Bad news anon... anime isn't real.
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>>135469956
haven't lifted in like 7 months now, got a foot injury from squatting (365lb) atg, 1 bad squat gg

on any given day each and every single rep can be the one that fucks your shit up. you can't let your concentration or form waver for even a moment under the bar.
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>>135476466
That doesn't mean that you need to have huge plastic torpedoes trying to force their way out of your chest.
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>>135476661
Third party who doesn't lift here:
It's it just wiser to not lift weights that can damage you in a single rep? 365lb seems pretty extreme.
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>>135476442
That's a very rude, personal comment anon. Apologize.
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Word of the day: 大晦日

あけましておめでとうございます!
今年もよろしくお願いします!
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>>135476878

Me. For some reason women don't want to fuck. I don't get it, but I'm not going to infringe upon their rights and go around raping wildly.

/daily ethics thread
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>>135476895
A man should never apologise for speaking the truth.
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>>135476878
If this is a real person/living being, I'd refrain, not because I am hurting another being but because I'd feel wrong.

I just can't do something to another person I wouldn't mind having done to myself.
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>>135476987
>For some reason women don't want to fuck.
They don't want to fuck unattractive people
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There is a literal gaia general on /vg/
This isn't the place for it but I had to share my discovery somewhere
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>>135477129
>How would you even go about raping a woman? I've never understood, apart from hitting her over the head or something first. Seems like it would be pretty hard to stick it in when she's struggling and clawing at your eyes.
Some people get off on that feeling of domination though
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>>135477129
Women are weaker than men on average anon. Much weaker.
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>>135477116

wow
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>>135477129
Once you make it clear you're raping them they stop resisting and just let it happen out of fear for their lives.
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>陣
>陳

L I T E R A L L Y !

I N D I S T I N G U I S H A B L E !
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>>135477129
Are you joking?
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>>135477384
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>日
>曰
>臼

L I T E R A L L Y
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>>135477445
Not at all, I'm interested in hearing details.
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>>135477566
>drawer
>drawer with bottom thing open
>broken drawer
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>>135477639
Well you've come to the right place.
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Do raped women ever get mindbroken like in my hentai doujins?
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>>135455707
Pretty moonspeak newbie here (completed RTK1, going through a bunch of Tae Kim's complete guide). Got a bunch of mangos for Christmas that I can hardly read.

Hold me /DJT/
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>>135477773
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case
No
At best you get stockholm syndrome. But that's not from pleasure breaking a mind
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>>135477773
All the time, try it for yourself and pretty soon you'll have your own harem of sex-crazed whores addicted to your dick.
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Every time my retention rate drops in Anki I want to give up and use WaniKani.
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>>135478137
see
>>135453353
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>>135476852
365lb is not that extreme actually, with consistent training almost any male can get there.

compare it to driving a car, using a firearm, or doing electrical work, i dunno. yes, these things are dangerous and 1 mistake can end you. but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do them; it just means you have to be responsible and alert.

i was irresponsible: still semidrunk from the night before, tired as fuck, and in a hurry to finish before classes started. in the past i would have gotten a good night's sleep looking forward to the next day's lifts, or decided to wait until later in the day or whatever. but after a while it gets routine, you get complacent, you forget the rules, and then boom, disaster strikes.
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>>135477868

Fascinating, horrific article, anon. Thanks for sharing.
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>>135478317
I don't drive and I regret that people do. I have lost many important people in my life due to car crashes and am terrified every day of losing more. Not like I tell them not to drive or anything.

Anyway, this is off topic, sorry that happened to you.
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Should I buy WaniKani?
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>>135479230
http://pastebin.com/ujNXfMtB
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>>135479230
Yes, buy Wanikani, then make it free for everybody.
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The core deck gets so difficult at 1000ish words. We need a new standard.
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>>135479314
Trial by fire, anon.
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>>135479314
>difficult
What do you mean by this?
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>>135479452
Nice meme.
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Why are you learning Japanese when all the good stuff gets translated anyways?
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>>135479508
It's not my fault that phrase is being used as one.
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>>135479314
I don't remember any difficulty there. The hardest part was the very beginning.
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>>135479314
core1k

I actually think it's a good idea. 1k words are enough to get a person ready to read, and it makes people reach the interesting bits half as fast. It's also small enough that you can make a fine selection of good words to learn that don't include shit like 不動産, which is comparatively of very little value for somebody who will start reading through manga, VNs, and LNs.
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>>135479582
>all the good stuff gets translated
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>>135479314
In the future we will have a deck containing all of the vocabulary from the DOJG series with example sentences and audio taken from anime and VNs. It will be the greatest deck ever created.

Now get busy and make it.
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>>135479582
the translations are bad in the first place
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>>135479705
That's accurate though? Unless you're some autist that wants unreadable literal translations.
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>>135479705
Looks good enough to me
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>>135479738
>that's accurate
Son, please shut up until you get off of mt. stupid.
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>>135479793
>implying it's not you on mt. stupid
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>>135479654
If we're talking ideals, I want a future where you can have a specific decks for specific manga, LNs and VNs which are suitable for beginners.

>Yotsuba decks vol's 1 - 10
>Flyable Hearts deck
>etc...

And the words appear on the deck in the order they appear on the work you're reading so you don't have to wait until you're done with the deck to read it. This way even beginners can achieve comparatively high reading speeds and enjoyment for their level.
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>>135479582
Translations can never convey the exact meaning of a literary work, then again some works might not need that preciseness.. Let's just say I prefer reading things in their source language.
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>>135479898
Sorry to bust your balls, but 笑って振ってあげる means to dump you with a smile. Now shut up and go back to reading until you stop being a cocky idiot.
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What do you guys use when reading visual novels? Chiitrans?
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>>135479738
>>135479771
>>135479898
Guys, it actually says
>I'll laugh and reject you.
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>>135479998
I just used kanjitomo. Now I just use my eyes and occasionally I tab out to search something in jisho.
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昼食はクッキーで間に合わせたの。
翻訳は
I made do with cookies for lunch.
それは正しいのか?ちょっとおかしく見える。
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>>135480135
I don't think it's very normal to use the expression "to make do with" in the first person like that, hence the weirdness.
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>>135479998
I use ITH and Translation Aggregator, but the newer programs are probably better.

>>135480047
Why would you use kanjitomo for VNs?
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>>135479998
VNR. It's decent.
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>>135480367
>Why would you use kanjitomo for VNs?
Because it worked the first time I tried and I never found the need to use anything else ever since.
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>>135480135
>>135480216
sounds fine to me
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A couple anki questions:
is there a "right way" to set steps and the interval modifier to learn things (specifically core vocab) optimally or do you just go by what works for you? Ive seen p