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I never understood how it's possible NOT to like Evangelion. The Mechs, Cruel Angel's thesis, fly me to the moon, the lore, the conspiracy, the characters, the art, the editing, Shinji....


I can understand liking it but hating the ending, but not liking it at all?
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The first 15 or so episodes are just generic monster-of-the-week battles before the real NGE begins.
Lots of people who like the first part will be disappointed with the end because it doesn't continue in the same vein.
Most people who'd like the second part will never come to enjoy it because they'd have to get through the first part first.
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the ending
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>>121442817
70% of watchers are cut off on the first episode.
>The protag is a schoolboy and he's crying? WHAT THE FUCK?
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>>121442927
> first part is generic monster of the weeK

from the beginning there was a buildup to a great conspiracy. The angels got stronger and stronger.

The first part was not generic at all. Shinji was very realistic and the characters felt like real human beings. The show masterfully made use of time. The music was superb.
I'd say it was above average, not generic
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>>121442817
I agree, it's good stuff. Not much of a reason to hate it, doesn't need to be your favorite but certainly no reason to not like it.
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>>121443007
I'm not saying that there is no foreshadowing for what is to come, I'm saying it's a completely different kind of show.

It's like Zetsuen no Tempest where most people say the second half sucks, and those that don't say the first half sucks.
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>>121442927
in every episode, they only spent a few minutes fighting the angels. The rest of the episode was dedicated to the characters. The reason each eva had a 1 minute external battery was for this reason. Each fight felt more realistic and the stakes were high.

to answer op, I think it would have been better to kill toji when the dummy pilot wailed on him, since we don't see him for the rest of the show and that would make shinji's reaction more realistic
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>>121443007
I'd say first several episodes are really weak.
The real fun bedgins at the flying tentacle dick, but then we get runaway shinji and more of shit.

To get caught up you need to watch until Ramniel, many might be getting a negative opinion on the show from before the Ramiel.
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>>121442817
Theres nobody who legitimately hates eva.
it's such a huge part of anime culture. Just look at /a/, we get eva threads every single day, far more than berserk or Kyoji or cowboy bepop.

there's at least one thing this show does well that anyone will like
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>>121442817
The very first point you listed was the mechs. Evangelion is one of the last shows I'd watch if I wanted to see mecha action. Loads of shows have done it far better.
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>>121443144
I liked the first two episodes
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>>121442817
>The Mechs

This is already more than enough of a reason for me to never watch this garbage.
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>>121443194
>Theres nobody who legitimately hates eva.
Wrong.
Retard.
>it's such a huge part of anime culture. Just look at /a/, we get eva threads every single day, far more than berserk or Kyoji or cowboy bepop.
That doesn't prove anything about the existence of haters.
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>>121443227
See>>121443206
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>>121442817
The show cuckolds the viewer. Shinji's love quadrangle is never resolved
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It just did nothing for me.
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>>121443229
Then let me rephrase. Apart from the fanbase, there's very little thr show does wrong to warrant hate. Also it does too many things right to be considered ordinary
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>>121443324
>love
>Evangelion
There's no love in this show.
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I dislike it.

Well, I should say I love most of it, but it's soured by Kaworu and homosexual undertones.

I just can't enjoy it in a holistic sense.
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>>121443796
there is between Rei and Shinji-kun
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>>121443884
>Shinji kun doesn't like to take it in the ass
>Shinji and Kowaru not OTP
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>>121443884
>>121444152
he's bisexual, which doesn't mean he won't tolerate a few blowjobs from time to time...
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should have been spliced with more "real" events, instead of the quick cuts.
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>>121444183
what does this even mean


the editing in EVA was superb
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>>121444361
Yep, we'll just hold that shot of Unit-01 holding Kaworu for a full minute. Top tier editing.
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>>121444705
Good bait
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>>121443082
I enjoyed both parts of znt, mostly because it made sense on the meta level
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>>121444705
this is bait
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>>121444152
>>121444180
See, my problem is Evangelion is a character drama. So when the narrative focuses on homosexual undertones, it makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't enjoy watching those moments.

I have no problem with the sexuality of a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, for example. I can appreciate the eroticism of the male form. It's beautiful. But the audience is never made to feel the homosexuality that the characters feel in Evangelion.
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>>121444705
lack of cuts is still editing.

Holding Kowaru for a minute was one of the greatest and most tense moments of the show
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>>121445273
I still don't see what you're saying....
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>>121442817
People have different tastes. Deal with it.

>>121445273
>It makes me feel uncomfortable so it's bad
Might as well just stick with moeshit, SoL, and comedies only.
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>>121445518
The scene isn't necessarily designed to make you feel uncomfortable. I'm sure there are many Eva fans out there who don't mind at all. It simply has a negative effect on me, and I dislike it.
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>>121445581
There are plenty of scenes in Eva designed to make you feel uncomfortable. If you can't stand feeling a little out of your comfort zone, that's your fault.
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Might have something to do with the characters being insufferable.
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>>121445611
I never said it wasn't my fault. Isn't this thread about personal reasons?
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>>121445643
And I'm saying your personal reasons are fucking stupid.
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>>121445663
Hidoi~
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>>121445631
>this guy
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>>121445707
>german school system is the best in the world
It used to be good, but now it's been cut into an unrecognizable mess.
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>>121445735
it was just a joke
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>>121445783
I wish there was a rule against joking on /a/.
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>>121445322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dMeNqa9lk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUXAlHclaLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBeKqvROZs
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Has there ever been a single day without an EVA thread on /a/ since 2004?
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>>121445949
explain
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>>121445949
is this nigga serious
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>>121445979
Once when they banned us because of cicadas.
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>>121445979
as long as I live, I will never stop creating EVA threads on /a/
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>>121443884
>homosexual undertones
>undertones
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>>121446381
I knew that post was coming, too. Right as I typed undertones. I considered changing it to 'blatant homosexuality'
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>>121446381
I bet you think Simoun is homosexual too.
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>>121446412
Yeah it's really in your face.

And if you don't like it's ok,I have no idea why you got some hate for that.
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>>121446437
Not at all,Simoun had sexual and romantic feelings for women.
Plus he married a hottie.
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I never understood how it's possible to like Evangelion. The Mechs, Cruel Angel's thesis, dropped plotlines, inconsistencies, the mess which was the ending, the characters, the angst, the edge, Asuka....

I can understand liking the first 8 episodes, but liking it at all?
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>>121446647
>romantic feelings for women
I'll say
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>>121446647
For a woman that doesn't exist and a woman that kisses the dude he likes.
He probably filtered her out whenever he remembered the scene.

>he married nobody
ftfy
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>>121446713
Are you saying he's a homo?
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>>121446661
fucking saved that image
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>>121446894
No, I'm saying he probably identifies as a woman, but wasn't able to express himself that way openly for fear of his seniors and friends antagonizing him. So he hides his own feminine instincts behind a facade of super-masculinity and literally drills *everything*.

That's why he left at the end, so he could finally wear the pretty dresses that would compliment his personality and drop the stupid act.
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>>121442927
No matter how much deep you want a history to be, the first part needs to be generic so we can understand and bound with the characters.
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>>121442817
I feel like it has the base for a good show, but I just get bored 3 episodes in. Maybe I'm broken by modern pacing, but it just feels awkwardly slow.
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>>121446985
NICE~
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>>121442817
Its largely due to the inability to get it.
Not thats its 2D4U, but being able to emphasise with the characters.
My friend hated every bit of Eva because he never takes the time to look at character development.
>It doesn't make sense why he's such a bitch!
Same with all the people going;
>Lol why isn't shinji happy he's got a robot and 2 hot chicks xD.
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>>121447255
>emphasise

Oh boy tell me more about your smart anime.
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>>121447283
Never said it was smart.
Its the same way extroverts can't understand introverts sometimes.
And I realised as soon as I posted.
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>>121442817
Not everyone needs to like certain shows. /a/ pretty much assumes you love a select set of shows before you even start posting or else you get blasted to heaven. In other words, overrated. It goes for NGE, most works by Nisio, Jojo (of which I'm a huge fan), etc.
There are many problems with the show that make it unwatchable to some. Namely the fact thqt every character is a piece of shit on the inside and that the show makes you wait too long to see the main character shine and the whole coming of age thing is super forced. I could go on
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>>121447412
>/a/ pretty much assumes you love a select set of shows before you even start posting or else you get blasted to heaven.
Wrong.
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>STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE

Evafags are insufferable.
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To be completely honest, I didn't like Eva the first time I watched it.
It took a couple of rewatches for me.
These days it's one of the few animes I rewatch on a regular basis.
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>>121443884
Spoken like a true tripfaggot
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>>121447588
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Shinji is unlikeable and I can't identify with him. I can identify with little girls or cool dudes, that's all.
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>>121442817
>be a reatrd
>hear abbout thsi show being hyped to oblivion
>watch it
>the MC sucks because he's weak and not GAR at all, and I would totally wreck shit in his shoes
>Asuka is a bitch, why would someone ever be irrational this shit makes no sense
>Rei is a stupid doll with l i t e r a l l y 0 personallity
>nothings ever explained about angels, 2deep4u
>why would anyone ever want realism in a show when you can have the same trite and predictable shit that appeals to fantasy instead?????

And that's why people dislike Eva. You can safely disregard the opinion of anyone who does, though.
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>>121448561
> anyone that doesn't like my favorite show is retarded

You sound like SAO fans.
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Would you guys watch Eva if the setting is this image?
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Is there any scene that can even come close to comparing when Komm Susser Todd played in EoE?

Seriously, I can't think of one that come even close. The music mixed with those scenes was fucking nuts and amazing.
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>>121448888
Eraser head has some great moments.
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>>121442817
Mechs are dumb.
Cruel Angel's Thesis is a shitty pop tune.
Fly me to the Moon is a Jazz standard that gets butchered by Japanese hacks.
The lore is completely irrelevant
The conspiracy is completely irrelevant
All of the characters are silly archetypes played with a silly TWEEST on them.
The art is shit.
The editing and direction are mediocre.
Shinji is terrible.

Also how can you not love the fantastic and amazingly high budget the show had.

>>121445322
>was one of the greatest and most tense moments of the show
It was fucking terrible.
Please don't delude yourself into thinking that it was anything but an attempt to save money.
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>>121445273
There is nothing gay about Jojo, though.
It's not gay, just because it features plenty of hypersexualized young men.
Besides in later volumes all women are just as sexualized as the men.
Scarlet is best girl, btw
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>>121443884
>bins the entire show based on a dumb plot point that lasted less than ten minutes
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>>121442817

teen angst is boring.
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>>121445949
Whoa, I didn't expect Anno to steal from Tom and Jerry.
Is that even a thing in Japan?
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>>121449443
>Mechs are dumb.

Stopped reading there.
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>>121445322
>Holding Kowaru for a minute was one of the greatest and most tense moments of the show
M80 I like Anno's style too but please, keep your masturbating over it to yourself. That was just because they ran out of cash before the episode ended and you know it.
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>>121448561
Damn, you were right >>121449443
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>>121443884
Just remember that Kaworu is not a character but an ideal.
He might as well be Shinji's fantasy of his favorite anime girl and they'd have exactly the same relationship.
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>>121449555
>Anno's style
You mean "how do I make as much show with as little money as possible, because I'm too incompetent to actually sell my ideas"?
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>>121442817
Most of the people who hate it do so because they hate Shinji and are mad that the main character isn't one that they can self insert into.
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>>121449718
Eh, I like quick cuts and I've yet to see show use them consistently, so I think it has a unique style of its own. Just personal preference.
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>>121449758
>mad

Who is getting mad about not liking an anime?
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>>121448803

That is one step away from left 4 angels.
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dey just hate it cuz there butthurt loosers
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>>121449761
>>121449761
Quick cuts are a fantastic way to save money on fancy art or even a lot of art.
You can just reuse frames or use half finished frames over and over again, if you're cutting quickly, because nobody will notice or care.
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Anyone who hates Shinji is a fucking Chad.
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>>121449555
Nice trips, but just because it saves money doesn't mean its bad. Even if it was done solely to save money it can still be good.
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>>121450418
>Implying people don't hate him because they see themselves in him
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Shin~chan is a beautiful flower that the world steps on.
He needs lots of love!
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>>121449829
I must know what that is.
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>>121451802
I guess it's Left 4 Dead, but with Evangelion characters.
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>>121442817
>I can understand liking it but hating the ending, but not liking it at all?

You've got that backwards numbnuts.
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>>121442817
maybe because it wasn't everyone's first anime, let alone their first anime that tries to be deeper or more complex than a typical shounen.

the illusion of character depth falls short when you realize they're the same stereotypes from every other anime with tragic pasts and emotional issues thrown in. it makes them more interesting than a character driven by pure cliche shit, but in they end up predictable and plastic all the same. in fact, at about 2/3 in you can pretty much divide the episodes into "moments", like shinji moments where he doubts himself, etc.., or asuka moments where she freaks out because she couldn't be the very best, like no one ever was. even their internal monologues become repetitive and predictable and that's not good.

the plot itself, the "lore" and "conspiracy' also disappoints because pretty much everything that is built up from the beginning is either left unexplained or dropped to be substituted by more character drama and monologues.

EoE isn't even near a mindfuck, it's just convoluted as hell so it's visually confusing but in terms of psychological exploration of the characters, it hardly adds anything new to the table, it just brings it about in different ways. so again, disappointing.

the soundtrack is nice but the opening gets old fast.

the fanbase is absolute garbage, though that doesn't really affect the show itself.

i like evangelion, but i honestly think both both that it is overrated and that it could have been much better had it not tried to be deeper than it needed to with the exaggerated focus on the psychological aspect.
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>>121452062
yeah your right,still sounds like a good spin off.
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>>121442817
The lore and conspiracy are the worst parts of Eva. They're messy and poorly executed. They only appear interesting because of the obtuse manner they're presented in.
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shinji never ran away from anything
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>>121452300
>when you realize they're the same stereotypes from every other anime with tragic pasts and emotional issues thrown in

I mean, that's kind of the point, at least as far as the main cast is concerned. I feel like it would be pretty difficult to portray some of the adult cast in a similar manner though. Ritsuko in particular seems fairly difficult to cage into a particular archetype or cliche. Also, the character's repeating their mistakes over and over again is also important to the central themes as well.

>psychological exploration of the characters, it hardly adds anything new to the table, it just brings it about in different ways

This is true, but somewhat of a moot point. There are no more original stories to tell, no sectors of the mind that have yet to be explored, no truths of our world that have never been discussed. All there is to do now is try to tell those stories and explore those themes over again in a unique and compelling way. This is a problem that all modern stories have.
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Why is infantile dependence so good?
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>>121452750
The rising and falling notes act themselves as metaphors for the show itself.
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>yfw Do You Love Me? plays
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>>121452750
>Welcome, my son, to the machine
>Here, is the grave you dug, Shinji
>Now lie in it
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>>121452878
>yfw Borderline Case plays
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>>121442817
On a side side not I think eva is the only series ever when people complain about the fact that its kids who have to save the world. Why is this? I
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>>121452987
>I think eva is the only series ever when people complain about the fact that its kids who have to save the world
You're so wrong you must be bait.
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