Anyways I watched all of it and I could say I did not enjoy it much at all. I don't know why I just didn't enjoy it. I've also watched bakemonogatari two times over and still do not see what's so great about it. Is it just my shit taste?
>>120731854 What kind of logic is that? I find Hyouka boring because it's focusing on shitty mysteries and lack of anything else like >focusing on characters aka their relationship or devolopment etc >comedy >romance >major plot >actually interesting mysteries I love SoL comedies and things that focusing on characters, this one however was complete opposite of anything interesting. Not to menton that show was pretentious as hell, which is why /a/ love it, they love pretentious shit, especially if there's a cute factor to it.
Kanyasai is the best school festival ever portrayed in anime. Does it ever bothering you when there is a festival arc, all you can see is 30% haunted house and 60% etc cafe, and the rest is random stalls. Its boring! But in Kanyasai, you can see props, events and students got engaged and enjoyed the festival. And unlike any other 'boring school festival', Kanyasai has a lot of creativity and thought being put on the table. In this arc, we've got to see glee club, drama club, dance club, quiz club, karuta club, astronomy club, drama club, manga club, etc, and it didn't stop there. Like the picture above we've got to see countless studentbody preparing, serving and enjoying the festivals. Not quite done yet, each one of them are unique. You can barely spot any same-face in this no-name characters fest. It feels lively, it feels festive. It never got you bored by huge amount of contents this festival had. But if you do however, well that is your own problem and not the show's fault.
>>120732079 >classic music >literature club >random imaginery visuals like chitanda hair turning into flowers and all that shit >overall atmosphere and monotone inner monologues Remind me of shinkai and his horse shit direction, trying to show mundane stuff as it's supposed to be "meaningful".
>>120732412 I don't know, maybe because it's shallow and effort to make it look like work of art only make it shallow and even more dull and boring? You can ask people who think Hyouka actually required attention to follow it properly.
>>120731181 The show leads to nothing. While that's fine they keep trying to play it off as it will, making it all dramatic and shit. It's the same as watching 12 episodes of someone brushing their teeth from different angles with dramatic music playing then shifting around and zooming in on him when he finds out he's out of toothpaste. Just comes off as pretentious. The characters are also not so likeable. Chitanda is more annoying than cute, and the 8-man wannabe just comes off as a douche. And that's all. Not a cool douche, a funny douche or even a likable douche. Just a douche. The supporting characters are also boring. Whatever her name is is so boring she makes Jun from K-on memorable, hell I actually remember Jun's name and Hachi-douche's friends was trying too hard to have a personality when he's just the staple I'm-actually-not-a-retard-but-I-act-like-one-because-that's-my-character type character.
In conclusion, Hyouka is a boring piece of shit that tries to make itself seem all deep and dramatic when all it is, is nothing more than a boring piece of shit. People that like it, good for them. People that yell at people who don't like it outside of because they like sucking KyoAni's dick, are faggots.
>>120732648 It's the same as watching a movie by some faggot art student that consist of going down a hallway with dramatic music playing in the background. Just 288 minutes of that. You keep thinking something will happen from the music and the way the camera is going down the hallway but nothing happen. Then add in a bunch of dickheads defending the movie for being deep and artistic, that people just don't understand because they're not thinking enough or just too normalfag to understand.
Hyouka would have been alright on it on, but it's the faggots that continue to shout how deep and shit it is that makes it a pretentious piece of shit,
>>120732855 No one consider it DEEP and PRETENTIOUS. Its quite the opposite actually. And mystery in Hyouka was very trivial with Houtaro bullshitting his way trough and somehow got lucky about it. This even got pointed out in eps 19 and the whole movie arc (when he got unlucky).
>>120733364 The fanbase plays a part in some of this shit and you can't deny that. You can't deny seeing 20 pages of shitpost of Kill La Kill wouldn't make you want to rather stab yourself in the guts than watch whatever piece of shit those faggots are shitposting about.
>>120732493 I'm just over halfway through now and I can already tell you it's 7/10 at best. The characters are cute and the the show is pretty engaging but I couldn't suspend my disbelief when 2/3 of every episode's plot is obviously contrived to represent/demostrate a hamfisted logical concept and only tied to the main characters by asspulls and nonsensery,
It's exactly the way they portrayed it. You pick a robot and you have a weird double-stick control configuration that makes you feel like a real pilot. I'd like to say more about it, but like I said I haven't seen a cabinet for years and when I played it in the past I was just a kid. I'm really curious about it now that I've become a terrible vidya autist who understands game mechanics and all.
On another note, I just watched the ending. It was simultaneously satisfying and not. I could understand Oreki and the events, but wished for a little more in the romantic inside me. But that's how the entire show has been so far, right? Absolutely love it.
>>120734133 My point is that I think the show would be better if they weren't trying to solve mysteries.
The show's idea of "solving mysteries" involves making arbitrary assumptions in order to set up a completely unrealistic vacuum scenario where the main characters control the only important variables and then making increasingly arbitrary assertions until finally reaching the situation that is most revealing for Oreki.
Saying "mysteries aren't the point" doesn't make up for the fact that if they did almost anything else the show would be better.
>>120734236 >>120734363 Consider for example episodes 8 and 9. They try desperately to set up a "locked room mystery." Which seems to be required of all "mystery" stories, but the whole context is forced. The room isn't technically locked, the information used to arrive at the conclusion is speculative at best and the whole motivation for the plot is weak. Not to mention the fact that they have to grab straws just to connect the whole scenario to the main characters to begin with.
>>120734337 >>120734337 Like what anon? There are no arbitrary assumptions. There are some because they have to work from incomplete information but's not even close to the asspulls of something like deathnote. And the point still stands that it's not about that in the first place.
>>120734471 To go into more specifics, I claim the context is forced because they unrealistically constrain the situation. "She has only read Sherlock Holmes, and no tricks like that were in Sherlock, therefore they aren't the solution."
The motivation for the plot is weak because they never explain why they didn't just ask the sick girl how she was planning to finish the story. She's (not even really) sick, not dead.
>>120734682 >these are the kinds of people who dislike Hyouka.
The fucking point was that she did write an ending but nobody was killed. They gave the classics club incomplete information on purpose so they would be forced to make up a new ending that was more suitable.
All the assumptions they made turned out to be wrong. Did you even fucking watch this shit or what?
>>120734682 >"She has only read Sherlock Holmes, and no tricks like that were in Sherlock, therefore they aren't the solution." this is going way over your head. you realize they are all mystery geeks, right? the whole point of the show is about these highschoolers wanting to play detectives because they are fans of mystery. besides oreki, none of them are particulary good at it, and even oreki is often proven wrong. this series isn't ACTUALLY holmes where it's all about the genius solving the mysteries. it's about a highschool literature club full of mystery fans.
i seriously think that most people who dislike this show expected something different or just plain misunderstood the point of the show. this is way more of a sol than a mystery series.
you know when someone dropped Hyouka, they're either Americans, who doesn't understand anything than "I am good guy, he is bad guy. I have guns. Kill!" or people who think Death Note and Code Geass are intelligent masterworks.
>>120735871 >>120735997 "comfy" is the most meaningless way to describe an anime. The word has absolutely no value, it doesn't say anything aside from "yeah I like it".
It is as dumb as calling someone a newfag when you have no way to know how long they have been on the site. But since you already showed that you are a complete retards who can't argue outside of repeating buzzwords that should not come as a surprise.
>>120731735 I don't agree with you, because you're a fucking faggot, and have shit taste when it comes to girl. This post is the first intelligent thing you've ever said. Now stop using trip for no reason, and acquire a proper taste.
Hyouka fans are like gnats - they're entranced by bright, colorful lights and swarm under them to circlejerk. Personally, I'M curious as to how such cretins evolved the nerve to question anyone else's taste.
>>120736110 just because you don't know why i called you new it doesn't mean i was randomly calling you a newfag. if you have been watching/reading for a while you are bound to have come across slower shows at some point. or forget about that, every show has at least one or two slower episodes that could be described as comfy. think of that haruhi episode where nothing happened because it was rainy. it was a great episode.
judging by the fact that you dismiss it so easily and the fact that you barely know what it means, i'll obviously have to think that you're pretty fucking new. to me that is a telltale sign of newfaggotry. it's like you're still missing the tastebuds in order to enjoy all the flavours.
>hear it's really boring >watch it anyway >every episode is actually pretty fun I don't get it, K-on was way more boring. Last episode seemed kind of shit of my first watch but after thinking about it and watching it again it's a pretty good ending for his character
>>120731181 only good thing about that show was the animation and the design for that girl, other than that it was a pointless nonsense and it had like 2x episodes, a terrible way to employ those resources from kyoani, what a shame.
I marathoned bake and nise and genuinely enjoyed them (haven't watch s2 and the rest because of lack of HD space) the time I tempted to drop this series are the bathroom scene and no, I wasn't tempted to drop it on snail arc
hell, I could just watch hyouka the way I watch monogatari but there's something that I couldn't put my finger to watch it besides chitanda annoying curiosity
One point i noticed in this thread again, even people that like Hyouka for whatever reason dislike Movie ark.
So apparently 2deep4u can happen even when you like the show. Sure, other arks, like festival were lot more event packed - but Movie ark is the ark that actually kick starts the plot (the icecream ark is more introdution and not relevant until much later for character development), has indepth character insight and best ending.
I just rewatched Hyouka BDs on Christmas and thats the ark thats the most memorable by impact and imho best written in whole series.
>>120731181 If anyone other than KyoAni wrote it then it'd probably be great. But fuck, those generic "quirky girl and perpetually annoyed guy" leads, the generic supporting cast, and the mundane "mysteries". I've tried watching it three times and it's just not for me. Animation wise it's amazing, but the actually content seems better suited for entry-levels.
>>120739267 The movie arc was not enjoyable because for the most part it was repetitive and also introduced a bunch of characters nobody cares about who don't show up again and has them talk for the entire duration. Similar to the reason most people disliked Hana.
>>120739394 are you confused or something? you're not making any sense. why the hell did you watch it three times when it's not for you? also "entry level" would mean that most people would be able to enjoy and understand it when they see it, which is quite obviously not the case.
How i wish KyoAni would ever make anything of Hyouka quality again... but here need not just talent and resources, but also good source material - since big part of thing people love about Hyouka is after all just faithful to detail KyoAni adaptation of novel.
Hope the new Euphonium is more Hyouka than K-On. Its also adaptation of proper novel so hopefully would be decent, also i`d preffer Takemoto in it rather than Yamada...
>>120739667 Because I wanted to give it a chance, since it deserved that much. Once was during the initial airing, the second was the batch because I figured it may be better when marathoned, and the third was the BD because I wanted to sit through it for the visuals.
>"entry level" would mean that most people would be able to enjoy and understand it when they see it, which is quite obviously not the case. Seasoned viewers may not see the use of sitting through something they've seen 1000 times. That is what makes it boring for people.
>KyoAni didn't write it. Yes they did. They may have not have written the premise but it's pretty clear that this is a brainchild of theirs.
>>120739267 I liked movie arc. I just hated that manipulative evil bitch that made Oreki her pawn. But even that I liked in the sense it was a pretty intense arc that left permanent marks on MC. Shows usually cower from this because muh status quo. It was a harsh experience for Oreki and for me as a watcher but it gave an important lesson perverse people sometimes get away with stuff and you can be fooled no matter how smart you are but that doesn't mean you should stop trying. Life goes on.
>>120739785 Animation wise Kyoukai no Kanata was their next "ambitious" project after Hyouka, and in terms of production it was great, and animation not worse and in many aspects better than Hyouka. However the source material and bad direction really killed it, so its nothing more than show off of KyoAni action sakuga best appreciated in slow-mo.
I finished the festival arc two days ago and it was fucking fantastic, probably my favorite festival arc ever (though, I think the mystery of this arc was plain retarded), but before that I don't think it was really interesting, I guess the animation and pretty visuals made me keep going.
>>120736082 >you know when someone dropped Hyouka, they're either Americans, who doesn't understand anything than "I am good guy, he is bad guy. I have guns. Kill!" or people who think Death Note and Code Geass are intelligent masterworks.
None of those shows, including Hyouka, are intelligent masterworks. But they're interesting and entertaining enough. I like them.
It's certainly not for everyone, but I really enjoyed it. To me, the characters were all likable, the plot served as a good excuse to listen to them talk to each other, and it really relaxing on the eyes.
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