>>120699286 If they just stand there doing nothing he can. But like even 1% crippled Arc says, he can't do shit against an opponent ready to fight him. He can roll a natural 20 on his assassinations, but nothing else.
>>120700451 Pretty much anyone can kill a little anemic human without any effort. It's only when he gets bonus assassination and sneak modifiers like against Louvre and Arc or the opponent literally just stands there to give him the first attack that he'd be able to do anything.
>>120700544 I don't think there is much issue in understanding their deaths. If it is before the Nero fight, probably, but any time after that should be pie compared to trying to figure out how to see that guy's death.
>>120700528 None of his opponents are killed in the first attack they try to kill him. Like Nero when he notices his monsters are getting fucked up or Roa who literally knows what his abilities are. Whenever a human beats something Nasu just claims its luck or they weren't trying hard enough because his fight writing abilities are shit.
>>120700707 Nero is not an example of a living creature. He's an example of a conglomerate of existences piled upon each other in such a way that it buries the "core" of him inside a literal world. He's about as conceptual as you can get.
>>120700528 >Pretty much anyone can kill a little anemic human without any effort. Shiki fought Nero straight on. That was a straight up fight. With Nero moving faster than Arcueid. With Nero still having over 500 lives in his tank. With Nero, a DAA, where all DAA move faster than bullets.
And Shiki was never touched by Nero even once during their fight once Shiki woke up and killed over 50 beasts in a blink of an eye.
This is also not minding the fact that Shiki's dad, Kiri, would have killed Kouma had he utilized either a Noble Phantasm or had MEoDP in under three strikes.
Sadly yes he can, that's one of the flaws of having all the canon in one man's hands: he can do whatever he wants with it and you can't contrast it with "nuh uh, it's not canon" because he's the sole authority
>>120700761 >bullshit A retcon means Nasu went back on his words. Nasu NEVER said Shiki could not kill Servants. He also never said that Shiki could not develop into something that could defeat Servants.
>>120700831 It's mentioned directly in the fight all he would have had to do is back away for a bit to win. The fight is basically like standing out in traffic and facing a bunch of cars, but all you have to do is prick the cars with a pin before they hit you to stop them (and have the freak of nature ability to face them head-on without shitting your pants while your guts are hanging out of your body.)
>>120700752 In fairness, being crazy probably takes a load off you because your brain is no longer being bound by logic, so the idea of "inanimate objects shouldn't have the concept of death" won't affect you because your brain isn't processing things that way.
>>120700752 He didn't use any points on the chair though, right? Just the lines.
>>120700707 As far as I remember, (been a long time, and of course this is from translated material), To understand the "life" of non-living objects doesn't Shiki have to become more like a non-living object? I thought I remembered that shiki sees that which is the same as him (onaji, 同じ, was that word used?) So to fully comprehend and consistently see death in non-living things would cause him to be that way.
>>120700955 I really need to just reread Tsukihime, but I remember the reasoning being that as a human/organic being, his brain is naturally more geared towards comprehending similar existences. He can see the "death" of nonorganic things but it takes a lot more effort since it goes against his defined idea of "living".
The Nanaya blood makes him go nutty when in the presence of something natural or demonic. It's why he tried to rape Arcueid that one time because it reacted to her eye power, and it's how he can suddenly do ninja shit like running on walls.
But there is also a separate personality of sorts called Nanaya, which is I suppose kinda like what he would have grown up to become if he was raised by the Nanaya and not the Tohnos. That's the version that gets brought into semi-existence by the Tatari.
If Shiki is the MC and needs to kill a servant you are goddamn right he will kill a servant. Just like every MC and protags in typemoon if they need to win they will win and then someone will tell them it was because the enemy wasn't serious so they were lucky after the fight.
>>120701092 >pretty much dead No, he couldn't. Because he was in the middle of trapping Arcueid to defeat her, which meant to run away he had to leave that place or see his Soil of Genesis destroyed without a fight. Besides, if Nero just ran away, Shiki would still survive by Arcueid putting his familiars in Shiki's body.
>>120701145 >But there is also a separate personality of sorts called Nanaya, which is I suppose kinda like what he would have grown up to become if he was raised by the Nanaya and not the Tohnos. That's the version that gets brought into semi-existence by the Tatari. It's really not a separate persona, so much as him giving in to his natural demon hunting instincts. As for the Tatari, that Nanaya Shiki is the physical manisfestation of Shiki's fears of what he'd be like if he fully embraced his murderous urges.
>>120701237 The fact that Ciel can directly compete with Medea means she can directly compete with other Servants. Because that implies that her magecraft equals Medea's magic that can damage Servants.
Ciel has prana capacity that is higher than most Servants.
>implying this guy has no chance to kill a servant They would underestimate him and pay for it. When Lancer was playing with Shirou at his house before he summoned Saber, If he tried that with Shiki I guarantee he would get killed by Flash run/Flash cut bullshit.
>>120701244 >b-b-but muh kings pride! this is literally the dumbest reason someone would lose a fight and i fucking hate how much Nasu uses it. guess his pride is stronger than his boredom from sitting in the throne of heroes for years if not forever.
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