That settles it, these rulings are completely arbitrary. Going to watch this through for Nona, but this show is objectively shit other than her.
The only one who can even be debated about going to Hell is the NEET, since he committed suicide. Mother did nothing wrong, especially considering how she got shit on her whole life.
>Mother did nothing wrong, especially considering how she got shit on her whole life.
Did you even watch the episode? She's arrogant, rude, violent, makes poor life decisions and her kids suffer from it. She even curses them when she does her special in the game and it does jack shit.
I haven't watched the episode yet but I think you are missing the point.
They are not judging their lives.
They are not.
They are judging how much humanity they are showing right there, during the game.
It doesn't matter what kind of life you lived. If you show human emotions (love, compassion etc) then you're okay to be reincarnated.
>Mother did nothing wrong.
Besides trying to kill a guy she just met. But, hey. She felt bad afterwards, it doesn't mean anything.
>caring for your kids.
The latest episode is my favorite episode of the season so far. It was so fucking good. Funny as hell for the first few minutes, then it got full SUFFERING and I cried halfway into it. Truly AOTS
I want more Nona though
>but killing yourself, thus making it hard on your closest ones
This is a japanese show. They might, just might, have a cultural background that results in a different view on suicide.
>America is a warlike country. They like sending armies to shoot random people in other countries.
>That must mean that murder is socially acceptable in America.
This is what you're doing. Fuck off, retard.
The quote was
>cultural background that results in a different view on suicide.
All of that constitutes their "cultural background" on suicide.
A guy jumping off a roof because his company goes under is basically the modern version daimyo committing seppuku because his castle is lost.
I think being a Japanese show it's less about the suicide and more about the parent that driven him into it
like in anime/manga Jap parents tend to disregard the mental state of their children and try to turn them into robots so they can get into a good university (which is funny because there's like less than 5 good universities in Japan) and become a salary man that works 26 hours a day with a gold digger wife and kids that don't like you (maybe because your wife is trying to turn them into robots).
at that point suicide kinda makes sense
>caring for your kids
The whore was pumping out kids by the dozen and ruining each of their lives by making retarded fucking life choices that no one forced her to. She is violent, opportunistic, careless, selfish and hedonist. Her kids are well on their way to end up like the NEET.
And to top it all off she shown absolutely disgusting behavior during the game. From trying to play the virgin like a fiddle in her favor, trying to brute force information out of Decim, smashing a young man's fucking face into the arcade to kill him and finally throwing a rage fit when the judgment was made. Yeah, a real angel that one. I wonder how much it would take for her to smash one of her kids head in as well.
She's a violent bitch who verbally and physically abused her manager, used her family for fame and bashed a man's head into an arcade display when she thought she was going to lose.
Yes, she may have had a shitty life. But she wasn't a good person.
I wished the show put more emphasis on the games. Like, I don't even care about who wins or loses at all. I get that it's not that type of show, but the current formula is getting stale.
Even if we agree that jumping off bridges it's the way of modern samurai it still doesn't make sense in this context:
They commit suicide because they have failed and he commits suicide because he's a weak-ass faggot.
>Billiards had images of their organs, but didn't affect the players
>Arcade didn't hurt you in any way; just made your head hurt a little when you got your memories back
>Bowling had hearts, but didn't affect the players.
What's the purpose, then? Darts had all their organs, and they'd hurt a lot if they hit something, but every other game has been painless.
It's to provoke a reaction from the players.
The roulette is probably not nearly as random as it is implied to be. People probably get a game that seems appropriate at the time.
Because the games are pre-determined to affect the players the most. The relationship between the husband and wife was already on the rocks, so real pain is apt way of handling it.
Compared to the bowling where they felt the temperature and pulse of each other, and were/are good friends who ended going on a date.
I guess it's more that I don't feel much tension on who wins or loses. You don't need to win to be reincarnated right? The show's description made it seem like it's a game show.
If you compare ep 1/2 and ep 3 however there is a pattern.
2 people who died in a fight with each other got the tools to hurt each other.
2 people who died in love with each other (or at least serious interest) got the tools to understand each other.
Yeah it's pretty obvious that the games are tailored to the players.
But the organ pattern, or in ep 4 controling yourself as a fighting game chara, strengthen the idea that Decim wants them to play the game "with their lives on the line".
>going to hell because you committed suicide
That makes even less sense.
She got voided because she didn't express a genuine desire to become a 'real' mother. She was shown to be self-centered in her memories shown and while playing the game. Decim understood that she wasn't going to change if he reincarnated her.
Honestly, I was more interested in their families. I wanted to know how the kids would react and live on after their mother's death. We saw two high schoolers, and they seemed pretty mad. Not to mention this was a murder case.
Then there's the otaku. It feels like he just randomly decided to kill himself. I wanted to see his step mother.
> applying western values to a buddhist interpretation of the afterlife
Step-Mom was pretty fucking cool.
Even when NEET distanced himself from her she always tried.
>Decim: man that woman is kind of a bitch, I probably shouldn't reincarnate her
>Onna: yeah you probably shouldn't
and that is why it ended like it did
I'm really liking how emotionally invested people are getting over these one-shot characters. This show's shaping up to be something special.
Watch these 4 episodes, anyone else feel that episode 3 feels sort of out of place? Atleast for Decim's character.
I mean the 2 in episode 3 definitely got special treatment compared to the other couples. At first it seemed like it was just Decim becoming more "human" but then in this episode he blatantly tries his best to push both of them into a corner.
He only pushed it here, cause like the mom said, the kid was much better.
Fight games aren't like bowling or darts, the kid easily coulda went both rounds winning, and it wouldn't have played out properly.
Where do you think we are?
Nothing happened in ep 3.
>let's do bowling
>oh noes, he never noticed this girl
>but it's okay since we love each other even after death when it's too late
One of the main issues I have with this show is that although it does drama decently, it doesn't have enough time to properly make you connect with the characters before the show is over.
Like the first 2 episodes was stereotype as fuck but tried to be emotional.
3rd episode was meh.
4th episode was more emotional but you still didn't get enough background from both character. Though it did do its job decently.
I was honestly expecting them to 'put their lives at risk' by playing the game without the ball.
You know, holding the grip to win so hard your hand starts bleeding?
Instead, the slut just bashed his head to win.
I mean, Jesus.
>Instead, the slut just bashed his head to win.
How did he even let that happen? Was he dazed out?
At first I thought he was doing it to himself, and that was ten times as more intense before I saw it was her
The girls probably fool around, Noma definitely seems like she could swing both ways.
Decime seems asexual as fuck though, the old man is an old man and the other guy...well maybe he could, we havent seen him yet.
>I don't see how, you might have to adjust your grip but it won't stop the stick from working.
It might be one of the different ways to see your character.
Some might beat the shit out of the opponent to win.
Some might now care and damage their body to win.
Some might plea with the opponent to play fair (testing both the advantaged player and the disadvantaged at once).
Some might try, like on that episode, to make a mad dash for the ball before anything happened (so test your luck to grab it I guess?)
Or some other variation I can't think.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that the lose the handle trick does show more about a person's character than you'd think.
Depending on the length of the actual joystick you might not be able to get the inputs you want and won't be able to react properly in time.
That top really helps out.
>Depending on the length of the actual joystick you might not be able to get the inputs you want and won't be able to react properly in time.
But you could still technically play, it's just a major disadvantage.
The fact is that both the otaku and the slut were given the same disadvantage and reacted differently.
The Otaku took his defeat in shame while the slut just beat the shit out of him.
>implying these inputs are complex
A fucking housewife who had never played vidya games before was able to pull off an ultra.
You people are so black and white, she wasn't super evil or super good.
She had her pros and cons, but her cons just weight heavier, especially cause..she bashed the guy's head in the screen and knocked him unconscious.
>How can a single mom that actually raised 5kids be considered bad?
I would assume the fact that her kids seems to despise her would indicate that maybe she wasn't the best mom.
I'm curious. Does this anime really hate sluts as much as /a/ says?
I fucking love these kind of girls so much, and the bar seems to have one of their own.
Gyarus are the best
Well so far every non-virgin female has been voided, so..
>bitches getting their comeuppance
>basically every woman is a terrible person
Picked the fuck up.
They reincarnated the guy that committed suicide while they voided the slut.
Sure the slut acted like shit while playing the arcade but I saw it as her wanting to actually live more compare to the NEET. They actually have no idea what is going to happen if they lose and play it based on them thinking that they are going to die if they lose.
>in buddhism reincarnation is for bad/immature souls and exiting reincarnation cycle is for good souls
>in DP reincarnation is for good souls and exiting reincarnation cycle is for bad souls
It's not buddhism in the slightest.
Don't physically assassult your assistant, then turn your back to her like it's all cool.
Not at all, there's only been three women and the only one 'correctly" voided was voided because she was a violent bitch who didn't care about her kids not because she was a slut.
Considering how many episodes are left, I can guarantee you at least one or two "sluts" will get reincarnated and /a/ will lose it's collective shit.
>thoroughly misogynist anime.
Did everyone forget about episode 2? When they straight up said the slut was the better person and half the threads were bitching about how DP was a "SJW feminist anime?"
>Mother did nothing wrong, especially considering how she got shit on her whole life.
It's not her fault she got knocked up 5 motherfuckin' times amirite?
>They literally say Heaven and Hell multiple times in multiple episodes
They literally say it is actually the void and reincarnation, do you people even watch the fucking show?
Virgins can't be sluts, therefore not all women can be sluts.
Cross Ange was hilarious with the rape bit.
And Valvare's rape also caused a shitstorm.
I think I'm seeing a pattern.
So we need some hot rape in order to really trigger these retards?
>Take two people with no memories and make them play a game with their lives at stake.
>Games are predetermined and often skewed in one persons favor.
>You can also affect the game even more just for shits and giggles.
>You see how a person reacts in an unfair extreme environment that would never happen in a normal life.
>Use this information to judge their fucking souls.
These Arbiters are fucking assholes.
Fun things are fun~
Girls are still women, just not fully.
Words 02 - Reincarnation and the Void
These are where souls that have been judged go.
Once the deceased have been judged after playing one of many games, they are escorted to two side-by-side doors, each containing a customers-only elevator leading to reincarnation or the void.
The "White Noh Mask" and the "Hannya Mask" are displayed above the elevator doors, and reveal where the souls are headed. Once the souls of the deceased have made their journey, their bodies take the form of dolls.
Those who are reincarnated may live anew in the present day, but those sent to the void are cast into the graveyard of souls.
Souls cast into the Void are left with their negative emotions and consciousness intact, and remain in nothingness for all eternity.
the only joystick she handled in the arcade were dicks in the bathroom
Regardless of semantics, heaven = good, hell = bad.
Reincarnation is good because you keep living, the void is bad because you truly just die.
It makes me wonder if everyone has to play these games or just faggots who have a mixed and unfulfilled life.
No, the void is your accomplishments in life.
That brings up a good point, once you're someone who is reincarnated, do you carry over the aspects so that you will ALWAYS reincarnate?
Or at some point will you be dealt a shit end and eventually everyone goes to the void?
You are the girl and I am the man
>The "White Noh Mask" and the "Hannya Mask" are displayed above the elevator doors, and reveal where the souls are headed.
Wait so did one of the childhood friends in 3 get voided? They didn't right?
>Souls cast into the Void are left with their negative emotions and consciousness intact, and remain in nothingness for all eternity.
So they pretty much live forever in nothingness? I have a feeling that "nothingness" isn't literal in this show. Keeping their negative emotions would also mean that they keep their memories, right?
episode 3 was double reincarnation. Which also means that there is nobody who is forced to go to the Void.
Episode 3 have me hope for this show. Since it was so willing to make it a chill episode, I'm excited when it goes full fucking comedy gold with two hotblooded idiots going at it and then both getting sent to the void.
I'm more interested in knowing what happens if no one decides to click the random button.
They mention that they have to intimidate the people into playing but what if people take the bluff?
Or what if they decide to just be lazy fuckers and not continue the challenge?
You can't force people to play.
Ep1-Crazy husband try to stop wife from throwing dart to win and try to beat up wife, reincarnated
Ep3-Shows that you cant send both person to the same place
Ep4-Crazy slut try to beat up NEET to win, voided
/a/ will try to defend this. Both of them deserved to be voided. They can't just reincarnate the doctor but void the ep4 slut.
The memories coming back didn't accomplish much.
The twist was lame.
The real world tragedy was silly and unrelated to their lives (like in ep 1-2 with the car crash or in ep 4 with the slut getting killed by her assistant or the otaku killing himself)
The whole lovey dobbey was meh to me since the guy never even gave a fuck about the girl until she changed her face which tells you it was bullshit from the start. And that the girl really never moved on with her life. Poor writing overall.
And the game itself was boring.
The bowling didn't serve any point nor did 'losing' the game for the girl have an impact in any way, either plotwise or to either character.
Either way, ep 3 was lackluster.
That would be awesome.
Every bar has those so we should see them (maybe they're the guys in the OP?)
>Ep1-Crazy husband try to stop wife from throwing dart to win and try to beat up wife, reincarnated
Wasn't she a cheating whore?
>They can't just reincarnate the doctor but void the ep4 slut
Sure they can. Sluts get the void 100% of the time. It's really the only rule.
>Ep1-Crazy husband try to stop wife from throwing dart to win and try to beat up wife, reincarnated
That was a lapse of Decim's judgement.
Even Nona calls him out on it.
>Ep3-Shows that you cant send both person to the same place
But they both get reincarnated, the masks confirmed it.
>there are still people who didn't watch the OVA
It felt completely out of place and shat all over future possibilities for good episodes. Imagine an episode with two pretty decent people, but one has to get voided. It could lead to some interesting moral dilemmas for Decim and good character growth.
Instead we get "LOL DOUBLE REINCARNATION." Not to mention it now opens up the argument for every single episode to be "Why not just reincarnate both of them? They're not that bad of people."
It wasn't a bad episode on its own, but this is a series that is full of crazy death games with a ton of drama and moral arguments, a relaxed romantic bowling episode has no business existing.
In Buddhism the souls get reincarnate because they haven't reach enlighten yet, they repeat the cycle of life until they reach it
This show on the other hand take the concept of reincarnation and completely fucked up the whole point of it
Even though i am enjoying the show i am disappoint
Be thankful you're alive and go hug your mom. Also, save yourself for marriage and only have sex for procreation, God is a lot more pissed about the whole casual sex thing than we think.
It was very inconsistent with the rest of the show. The couple got a relatively easy game with little to no stakes or emotional weight. They didn't even get to see Decim's extreme puppet collection. It was basically just Decim being a nice guy because "lol why not?"
No, because it was boring.
I don't need an edgy fight, just better writing.
Again, one of my main complaints about this show is that we get a horrible lack of backstory for many of the characters to give a fuck.
For example with ep 3, what the fuck happened in the lifes of the girl and the guy?
That's nearly a whole fucking decade.
It's somewhat okay with ep 1-2 since there was nothing there, just a misunderstanding (a shallow one at that) and ep 4 was slightly better since it only gave glimpse at both of the characters lives.
But ep 3 shows nothing and is nothing.
No matter how you slice it, everything about ep 3 is boring.
>Crazy husband try to stop wife from throwing dart to win
Actually she was throwing the dart to tie.
>and try to beat up wife
His anger was kinda justified if you believed that what the wife said was true. (Which Decim did.)
Once again, if you believe the wife's lies at the end, the husband goes from suspicious asshole to poor victim real quick.
Obviously I don't believe that, and neither does the show, Nona straight up tells you he should have been voided.
So I don't understand why you bash the show's writing when it clearly agrees with you.
>Ep3-Shows that you cant send both person to the same place
What is the problem with that?
>Ep4-Crazy slut try to beat up NEET to win, voided
What is the problem with that?
>They can't just reincarnate the doctor but void the ep4 slut.
Sure they can. Decim made a mistake in episode 1, but not in episode 4. The show acknowledges that. How is it bad writing?
Yes it was a typo. I meant to say that you can send both to the same place.
Lets ignore his wife slut for a second and see what he did. Literally try to cheat and try to beat up his wife, reincarnated.
At first we thought that it is always 1void and 1reincarnated and clearly the wife was a much bigger whore so she deserved void.
But then the next ep came, we saw they can both be reincarnated and sent to the same place.
Then ep4 came, crazy slut actress beat up the NEET to try to win. Somehow got voided even if she actually shows remorse and felt guilty about it.
Now we look back at ep1. How is she worse than the husband from ep1?
How can people defend this shit writing?
Shit show absolutely deserved to bomb.
>"Why not just reincarnate both of them? They're not that bad of people."
To be fair, neither of them did anything wrong in their lives.
Which brings up the even bigger question 'who gets to chose the people to play these games and why?'
What did they need resolved?
4> shit > 1=2> 3
>crazy slut actress beat up the NEET to try to win. Somehow got voided even if she actually shows remorse and felt guilty about it.
But she wasn't remorseful until she knew that there was no going back, even then it was self-centered.
That's why she got voided.
As for the husband getting reincarnated it's simple
Decim fucked up.
You can call it shit writing, but it shows that even though they're arbiters and judge souls they can still make mistakes.
It's probably why Onna is there, to give a different perspective on the matter.
>Are you fucking kidding me? That is absolutely bland. Even the fucking couple kept me more interested than that melodramatic fuckfest.
Finally someone with a brain.
The problem, again, is that there isn't enough time for backstory and for the characters to play games.
It has to rely on cliches and tropes to make it work.
>Even Nona calls him out on it.
But in a really strange way.
She predicted his decision which she considered incorrect, and she didn't warn him.
Keeping up appearances is more important than the fate of souls?
Sure if you want to defend the show.
But in ep4 it was obvious they are always trying to rig the game to get ruse out of them.
Yet in ep3, they did no such thing and let it play out. If they didn't try to rig the joystick, there wouldn't be an angry outburst coming out from the crazed slut.
Yet her antics are deem worse than the husband from ep1. There is no consistency at all to the characters. This is pure retardation.
>She predicted his decision which she considered incorrect, and she didn't warn him.
She was testing Onna. She wanted her to tell Decim he was wrong.
>Keeping up appearances is more important than the fate of souls?
2 out of billions of souls? Negligeable. Teaching your arbiter a lesson so he doesn't keep fucking up when you're not around is much more important.
Decim isn't the only arbiter Nona is in charge of.
The whole system is flawed until we will learn more about it.
How it gets people into the games.
The selection of the people.
The fact that the people may or may not know each other.
The possible misinterpretation of the arbiter.
The fact that cheating is possible, making the games entirely irrelevant.
Though since everyone doesn't have their memories, all you get is a close variation of a person's self.
NEVER FORGET ;A;
I still got the chills when I think about it, 2 days later.
That's what confuses me, supposedly it matters how they act in the game. The husband acted like an asshole in the game though, but was a good person in life. He got reincarnated, so that clearly tells me it matters how they were in life, but that goes against the whole idea of the show and also what they explicitly state.
>Yet her antics are deem worse than the husband from ep1.
I don't know why you keep bringing that up.
The show tells you the husband deserved the void but Decim fucked up.
The show is consistent but you choose to ignore this piece of info for some reason so you don't get it.
Why do you think he fucked up?
He only fucked up the cheating wife judgement
You seem to forget that he can send both to the same place. He was going to reincarnate the husband even if he realized the wife is a good person.
>Yet in ep3, they did no such thing and let it play out. If they didn't try to rig the joystick, there wouldn't be an angry outburst coming out from the crazed slut.
I think that's kind of the point.
From the beginning they were supposed to be under pressure, to make the players reveal the 'darkest parts of their souls'
But they weren't able to.
Maybe it's the reason Decim decided to rig the arcade cab; to put them under some sort of extreme situation and factor that in in order to judge them correctly.
>new married couple
>die in accident cause by husband paranoia
>she was pregnant
>darts with pain sensors
>sacrifice herself for her husband
you faggots can be as hipsters as you want that doesn't change the fact that first episode was objectively the best so far
I always feel bad seeing all those posts in the previous threads saying as how they all felt real sad this episode but I couldn't give a single shit about it. Even that suicidal NEET part only almost resonated with me.
I don't know if people are giving this show too much credit or I'm just drowning in shit taste.
Must be the latter.
>He was going to reincarnate the husband even if he realized the wife is a good person.
You fail to ignore that he was paranoid as fuck about thinking his wife cheated on him by simply name gossip.
That's beyond retarded.
That's a huge major fuck up and shows how petty he truly is.
What kind of idiot is jealous and doesn't trust his wife on his fucking wedding day of all days?
She literally slamdunked another mans penis into her vagina which was a place specifically reserved for her husband, she deserved hell and the husbands paranoia although over the top was justified.
It's not that his life mattered, but that his wife managed to convince Decim that he was right.
Her love for him was strong enough that you might argue she'd be satisfied if she knew the outcome.
>they can remove memories from that dead, and put them back in a controlled fashion
>they can LOOK through those memories instantaneously
>they still need to have them play some nonsense game to determine what kind of person they are
Quindecim staff are you even trying?
Also, that's what the girl with the blue hair noticed in the elevator when she said that the assistant girl 'still had ways to go'.
She noticed that the wife lied for the husband but stopped her logic there.
Further reasoning shows that the husband is a faggot and that Decim truly did fuck up.
Not to mention him purposefully aiming at the stomach to give pain at his wife/baby simply due to doubts.
No matter how you slice it, the wife was good, the husband was a faggot.
Judgment should have been that the wife should be reincarnated and the husband sent to the void.
What are you talking about?
It was true, the wife was having an affair. She was just unlucky that her other friend named Matchy was also a cheating slut.
Decim only realized he fucked up when Onna brought up how the wife was lying at the end.
The husband was already seething with rage before the wife lies outburst.
I thought what you did in life didn't matter when it comes to deciding between reincarnation or the void and the only important thing is your performance in the game like showing remorse. The husband was equally horrible in life considering he caused the deaths of both of them and their unborn child.
>Why do you think he fucked up?
Nona tells us he did and how she thinks the husband soul can't find happiness . It's an internal monologue entierly for the benefit of the audience right at the end of episode 2.
Sure you can go "Well it's just her opinion." but that doesn't change the fact that the show brings up the fact that the husband should have been voided through a character that has superior authority and experience over Decim.
So yeah, if you take that into account that the "real" judgment of ep1 should have been wife:reincarnation and husband:void then the show is consistent.
>they can remove memories from the dead, and put them back in a controlled fashion
Didn't they say that people don't remember memories related to dying due to the shock of dying? Don't think Arbiters are doing that.
We know she was having an affair.
He overhead gossip from his wife's friends talking about a similarly named person being a slut.
Of course if he truly believed 100% that meant she was a slut, he would dropped shit and ran out of there. But he didn't, he still had faith in his wife. It simply undermined his faith in her.
He only went volcano after she started acting suspicious about phone calls and I would assume other things.
Is even anyone deserves void?
If its that bitch black dimension with nothing but yourself... i don't know this might be worst even than the regular her as we have it in mind with demons fires tortures and shits, at least there you wouldn't be alone for all eternity
You can live a nearly stainless life and still be a bad person.
Consider the example of the law-abiding citizen.
Person A is a law-abiding citizen that doesn't care for people. They have no empathy towards others. All they have is an OVERWHELMING fear of being punished by the authoritarian state he lives in. This state outlaws any wrongdoing. Thus person A lives a normal life, not harming anyone and maybe doing some good in order to fit in to his surroundings.
Just because you do no wrong or did good does not make you a good person. The reasons also matter.
They are only given their memories, not the emotions and thoughts that formed them. Those are lone gone.
If they decided on memory alone, person A would get a sweet shot at a new life, possibly in a less strict society, where their true colors will cause harm to others.
This shows why it is important for them to first test those who enter Quindecim on the basis of a game; to see how they act with a loose rule set that pits you against your fellow man.
Pretty good and efficient system if you ask me.
Considering how many people are voided, the void is probably more crowded than Earth at this point.
>in the void, all they ever talk about is that stupid-ass game you were forced to play after you died
Regardless, it's gossip.
To become so suspicious that it fucks your relationship shows lack of truth on a stupid degree, especially on your wedding. And then it leads to your death.
Hell, I'd even say that even if she did cheat on him, that entire attitude is entirely unhealthy since he should have just confronted her rather than remain in doubt until his death.
This isn't like your girlfriend where her friends babbled and you might have suspicions but your damn wife. There's a difference.
If you're marrying her, you'd better well know she would never do something like this.
I still find that the husband is the most guilty in this. And the wife may or may not have cheated, I'm still undecided on this matter.
Perhaps. But truthful.
Anyone with destructive emotions deserves the void.
I honestly think it went downhill from the first episode. Don't get me wrong, I liked the second couple, it's just that now we know too much and there is no fun in it. This episode for example was too obvious, it was all about the mother and it was sad (well done sad I admit) but what else? nothing.
It's still good and I like it but if it continues like this it won't be AotY or even AotS for me.
I hope in the future there is a twist about something (I like the theory were reincarnation is just them coming back) or if we start not seeing what their destinations are and we are left speculating.
It's outright stated she actually 100% did cheat you dumbass.
And fuck you, why would you confront someone about fucking gossip?
Acting as if the wife is not to blame is retarded, if she actually loved her husband she'd fucking tell him she is a huge slut (or maybe block contact with her fucking 2nd man).
There's a lot we don't know about their relationship in between marriage, cheating, and honeymoon.
To assume she didn't set off a few alerts in the husband's mind I think is a bit ridiculous.
Even if not confronting her shows that the man is maybe a bit weak, that definitely does not fucking make him a better candidate for the void than some someone who had the gall and selfishness to two-time straight into marriage.
I am talking about acting violently just to win.
How are their action better than the crazed slut in ep4? Both the husband and the death billiard young dude felt no remorse yet they are both reincarnated.
The only thing that death parade did is, it made me hate death billiard.
Wasurenagumo is the best anime mirai for 2013
I really can't pass any definitive judgment on Billiards as long as I don't know what the old man said.
Fortunately, we see that the Billiards game in the OP and what I'm fairly sure to be the young man's (from Death Billard) hand.
So I'm fairly sure we'll get an episode about that.
I'm sure she did that, and then she did the noble thing and decided to raise the children anyway, despite their deadbeat abusive fathers. To me she was a good person who became violent through being abused. It's pretty common for abuse victims to become abusers themselves.
they've yet to explain why only one can go to heaven and one to hell instead of 2 to 1 destination. seems arbitrary when the message so far is that humans are not perfect and theres no such thing as a good person
She didn't so much as raise them as she did use them as a crutch for her 'happiness'
She kept looking for the same kind of man over, and over.
For some reason I can't sympathize with her making shitty life choices and being upset when things run their course.
>so if you get beat up by your husband and then beat up by your second husband it retroactively becomes your fault?
Correction, it's not your fault but you're likely part of the problem.
She let herself get beaten.
She let herself have children with an abusing spouse.
It is not 'her' fault but she is part of it.
>And fuck you, why would you confront someone about fucking gossip?
Marriage is suppose to be something without secrets. There are many ways to get into that subject like joke about it, mention that the wife's friends are asshole because they talked shit saying that the wife cheated on me, etc.
I'm not saying the wife is not to blame but he should have been a man and confronted her rather than remain in doubt and suffered silently for it.
I'm really suspicious and cautious on just saying that the woman is entirely to blame.
She might have cheated but from the flashback, it didn't seem like she felt liberated by doing so.
But that's just pointless supposition from my part so meh.
The husband should have confronted his wife.
Stop ignoring the fact that your issue with the husband has been adressed already. >>120679880
As for the young man in Death Billiards, sure he started the fight, but the old man fought back and enjoyed the fuck out of it too.
Also there's what he said to Decim, we don't know what it was and how it affected the judgment.
So at this point commenting on Death Billiards with incomplete info is useless.
She supported them financially and kept them in her house. Even if she wasn't the best mother, that's more than she had to do. She could've given them up for adoption or given the shitty dad full custody.
The girls that were punished were not punished for being sluts, it was because they were bad persons (or, in the case of the first woman, for convincing Decim she was). No, they are not the same thing, the mother went to void for being a shit mother and for what she did during the game.
The "sluts get voided the anime" meme is stupid.
more accurately it was a theatrical short film shortly thereafter released on BD.
the anime mirai/young animator training projects don't air on TV, so an OVA is more accurate than calling it a special.
No, that's the other guy she slept with. They're in a hotel room; the lamp near the bed and the location of the bathroom give it away.
I thought it was Takashi the first time I watched the episode too, though, and he was going through Machiko's phone looking for proof she was cheating.
>/a/ is still fucking debating this
Jesus Christ, you guys are relentless.
>She supported them financially and kept them in her house. Even if she wasn't the best mother, that's more than she had to do. She could've given them up for adoption or given the shitty dad full custody.
Holy shit nigga we only got a handful of flashbacks.
It's clear that she only wanted to have semen sprayed into her womb over and over again, it is DEFINITELY not her fault that she got knocked up, five mother fucking times, am I right?
How does that affect the judgment?
Decim isnt judging the two of them on scale.
If you are a shit you get sent to hell.
If both of you are shit you go to hell and if both of you are good you go to heaven.
Both the husband and the young dude in death billiard are as bad as mom, maybe even worse.
>She might have cheated but from the flashback, it didn't seem like she felt liberated by doing so.
Uh, why does it matter that she didn't feel liberated after cheating?
That's like saying "It's okay that guy just stabbed me in the face, because it doesn't look like he feels very happy about it."
Her feelings on that awful thing she did after the fact means nothing, especially when she doesn't fucking seek retribution for it.
>The husband should have confronted his wife.
Ok, so he didn't have the balls or tact to confront his wife about some suspicions.
I don't see in anyway how that makes him evil.
I guess lacking balls as a guy means you deserve to go to hell.
that's the thing, she was a shit mother no doubt. but raising kids at all, especially that number of kids all coming from abusive ex-husbands, is above and beyond what she'd be expected to do.
Well, if her reactions to her kids in the game are anything to go by, it didn't seem like they cared for her at all.
It also hinted at her neglecting her children.
There is a difference in keeping your children alive and raising them.
Middle-aged guy vs. elementary schooler next week.
How much suffering are we in for?
You are not thinking mystically enough about this.
The young man wanted to live and he was full of regret and love and other human emotions.
The old man was like a demon. He was calm because he was enjoying the whole thing.
>How does that affect the judgment?
How do you know that without knowing what he said?
What Machiko said to Decim clearly affected the judgment.
I agree about the husband and the mom being bad and deserving the void.
Somehow the young dude in billiards doesn't feel as bad. Maybe because his fight with the old dude felt more like a natural extention of the game instead of some evil brutality like what the mom did.
>why does it matter that she didn't feel liberated after cheating?
Because it means she felt guilt in the act.
You cheat to find a better alternative without losing what you have with your significant other. Marriage brings safety but not always fulfillment. Cheating provides a small window to escape marriage without losing the benefits which is why it happens often when people aren't happy with their marriage.
But if you cheat and find no pleasure and don't feel liberated, then simply having sex with someone else you think is good isn't the right solution.
To me, she felt guilt and having sex didn't solve anything.
So it leads me to conclude that it was simply a poor judgement on the wife's part rather than her just not giving a fuck about her husband.
>makes him evil
It doesn't, just flawed.
And a faggot. Saying that you can't talk to your wife about suspicions is just silly if you think they might be true in some way.
Regardless, more information on both characters would be needed for me to make a correct judgement on who is wrong.
I'm still siding with the wife being right in cheating and the husband being a faggot for not confronting her.
Which is why a person without morals always wins.
>porn for character-of-the-episode
That never happens unless it's Aldnoah or a Kyoani show, or something else retardedly popular.
He's well-groomed, he just has a beer belly. His character profile says he likes to drink.
The story summary also says
the middle-aged guy says he remebers having been to Quin Decim before.I wonder what the hell's going to be going on there.
Nope, he clearly regretted his suicide, he didn't even know why he did it. All he wanted to do was go back to call stepmother momma like she wanted.
They both had the desire to live, but while his reason was selfless hers was selfish.
>have 5 kids to Chang Longwang
>its n-not my fault m-muh point of existence
Come on anon, she literally had her vagina smashed in as a teen in the bathroom of an arcade, F I V E times pregnant she was clearly a slut, she even tried to use her cake charms on that NEET.
>hers was selfish
Wanting to care for your children is selfish? She didn't say a thing about wanting to go back to her career, or even wanting to redo her shitty life, but she was screaming at Decim and begging him in tears to send her back to her kids.
the middle-aged guy says he remebers having been to Quin Decim before
He went through the game as a different soul before, reincarnated into beer belly-kun and just had the right luck of happening upon it again.
I'd like to look deeper into it but at the moment I'm just going to say that he has those memories because some fuck up happened on the logistic side of things.
Nah, children are innocent.
They're just without morals.
We're born evil but we are taught to build good morals.
B-baka, it's not like I'm pretending to be stupid to amuse you or anything!
>So it leads me to conclude that it was simply a poor judgement on the wife's part rather than her just not giving a fuck about her husband.
To commit adultery in the first place you have to at some point not give a fuck for the person you are cheating on.
You don't think about how much you care about your significant other when you're getting thrusted by some random guy you picked off the streets.
That kind of lack of caring is pretty good showing of a selfish person.
>I'm still siding with the wife being right in cheating and the husband being a faggot for not confronting her.
Being a faggot only lands you in hell if you're a christfag. Factoring in your religious beliefs into a show with ambiguous morals does not lend well to the discussion.
y'all realize reincarnation doesn't mean coming back to life in the same body, right? you start over as a new person, with no memories of your past life. that's how reincarnation works.
It's obvious that she still didn't cafe about the kids, she was cursing them 10 minutes earlier during the game. She was just trying to use them as an excuse to go back to her life. Hgesl
at the start of the episode. at the start of the episode, the NEET had no will to live. through the wonders of character development, by the end the woman wanted to go back to take care of her kids, and the NEET wanted to make his stepmom happy.
>a power thing
What are you talking about? What kind of power does cheating possibly confer?
People cheat because they're unfulfilled by the relationship they have, usually emotionally. It's often not even about sex. There was an advice column letter last week from a straight elderly guy who slept with a man because he made him feel more desired than his wife (whose sex drive had disappeared after her chemotherapy and) did.
Everyone is selfish, we just want to be happy.
If another person cannot make you happy, you seek it from someone else. It's just that she didn't find any happiness from cheating.
And, if your cheating, it means your partner is doing something wrong for you to have to go look somewhere else.
That's the joke.
>What kind of power does cheating possibly confer?
It's something I read once.
Cheating gives you power over your significant other who trusts you. It's not power you can use against him, but the feeling of superiority because you are betraying them and they can't do anything about it.
Quite often the people you cheat your partner with are significantly uglier than your actual partner.
If he was constantly treating her like a suspect already because of what he heard her friends at the wedding said, doubting her and checking up on her but never confronting her about it, she might have easily said "fuck it, if he's going to treat me like I'm unfaithful no matter what I may as well actually do it; anything's better than this shit." But after she did cheat on him she realized it didn't solve anything and only made her feel shitty because she did care about her husband.
>Cheating gives you power over your significant other who trusts you
Only sociopaths think in those terms. You don't want to be in a relationship with a person whose thought processes are like that, whether they're faithful to you or not.
>Everyone is selfish, we just want to be happy.
To an extent. But there are definitely people that want to make others happy and put others before themselves.
>And, if your cheating, it means your partner is doing something wrong for you to have to go look somewhere else.
That's along the same lines as "If you don't lock your door, you deserve to be robbed."
Which is placing blame on the victim for not anticipating the evil of others (which oddly enough you were debating against anticipating the evil of others a few posts back).
Your flip-flopping/double-standards don't stop there. If the husband is really doing something wrong, why doesn't the wife point that out so they can improve their relationship?
Weren't you drilling the husband on not confronting his wife? Suddenly you're oddly quiet about the wife's lack of action towards improving their relationship by voicing concern.
I can't help but think at this point that you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
>all these people talking about relationships and cheating
this isn't /pol/ people
Do you people even watch the show? It's pretty clear that not even Onna agrees with Decim's methods and that the system's still pretty fucked. I'm feeling so Psycho Pass vibes from this.
>They get married for social pressure and economic reasons.
So telling yourself that by being a kissless virgin into your 30s you're just sticking it to the man?
Sure, whatever gets you through the night.
>That's along the same lines as "If you don't lock your door, you deserve to be robbed."
Which is a true statement. Except in the country where there are rarely any robbers but meh.
I think I get what you're saying and I have been flip flopping both sides of the argument without a discernible opinion because my original opinion to only blame the husband is not complete.
The last couple of posts are making me revise my opinion on the couple and I still don't know which side is correct.
The main issue here is that both the wife and the husband lacked communication between the two of them.
The wife seemed to have lacked something from the husband and sought to cheat and, in my view, did not find a satisfying happiness in the act.
And the husband, upon knowing that his wife was cheating, did not confront her to resolve issues which might have come from him due to the lack of communication from what displeased his wife.
The wife could have done more to communicate what she made her unhappy about being with him.
The husband could have done more to fix what displeased his wife.
Both were at fault.
I think we can end this discussion on that note.
/pol/ doesn't know shit about relationships.
They're almost as bad as /r9k/ on this matter.
/pol/ doesn't talk about relationships and cheating. /rk9/ is the one that talks about relationships and cheating.
All /pol/ talks about is the white man is evil and the minorities are just innocent little victims of the rich.
Which is ironic since the mother in this episode acted exactly like what poorfags, niggers, spics, jungle asians, and sandniggers do in real life. They have no honor, dignity, or virtues. Is easy to anger and when something doesn't go their way they use violence.
This scene gets to me since he apparently didnt immediately die from the fall.
He made it to an ambulence, regained conciousness long enough to see his stepmother crying, and THEN died.
Both systems may not be perfect, but its still a better alternative than anything else to judge people.
The arbiters job is to see how they would truly act not how they present themselves in the public eye.
I wonder if /a/ would feel bad for this woman if she got Voided
>Well so far every non-virgin female has been voided, so..
>muh correlation impies causality
>implying that the girl in epiusode 3 was a virgin
Even if she was, it was irrelevant.
>Virgins can't be sluts, therefore not all women can be sluts.
>implying having sexual activity turns you into a bad person
>implying not having sexual activity preserves your goodness
By this kind of logic most of /a/ specimens could be insta-saints
You want to truly know a person? give them power or watch them react to an extreme situation.
>For example with ep 3, what the fuck happened in the lifes of the girl and the guy?
it has none
why not? because not all of us are equal? because you can find a couple of people that lived their lifes being good elemnts in the society?
Your stetement does not make sense.
>By this kind of logic most of /a/ specimens could be insta-saints
/a/ is filled with little girls, not women.
>it has none
Of course it does.
It would explain why he didn't care about her.
It would explain why she was forced to have surgery to make him like her if only we knew more about their lives.
There's a huge gap between when they were childhood friends and when they are teenagers.
And the girl didn't look completely ugly either so it's really weird.