I prefer Bebop's sub over the dub. I just think the Japanese

>>120635582
The series creator thinks you're a faggot weeb and need to kill yourself

>>120635582
Probably.

>>120635597
Who gives a shit what that faggot Watanabe thinks?

No, you're not alone. I can't stand Spike's dub voice. His voice is too high pitched, it just feels wrong. The majority of people who like the dub are nostalgiafaggots anyway. I genuinely think Cowboy Bebop is a better show with the original audio.

>>120635582
every one has opinions op

mine is that i like steve blum

>>120635597
>>120635613
>watching dubs
It's like I'm really on /v/!

>>120635672
I don't think that dubs are good, but for a select few shows they can be fun to watch during a second viewing. The only show I've liked dubbed was Berserk, mainly because it just felt like that sort of gritty, "mature" anime that I would see people watching as a kid.

But yeah, dubs are shit.

>>120635672
You don't know? The original creator of Cowboy Bebop prefers the English voices.

Also being "pro sub" or pro dub" exclusively is stupid tribalism, things aren't so black and white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsEZPi72wi8

Sub is better, case closed, no questions asked

>>120635672
Most bebop fans are normalfags so its no surprise they prefer dubs

>>120635708
>spike sounds like a nasally faggot having an orgasm five seconds in

People only like the fucking dub because it was probably their first fucking anime

>>120635747
>>spike sounds like a nasally faggot having an orgasm five seconds in
God damn it, I was drinking milk

>>120635708
Does anyone else see what I mean about Spike's dub voice just feeling wrong? I don't know how to describe it, but it just doesn't feel right. It's seriously like there's a smaller person inside of Spike talking, not Spike himself.

The Dub has more personality and for once, much more natural! The Sub feels flat....It's proba because Cowboy Bebop has such a western setting, it's natural

I'm not from burgerland, so subs it is

I only liked Spike and Jet in the dub, and I saw it first.

>>120635865
What this guy said.

>>120635848
Why are you copying the youtube comment section?

>>120635957
Why aren't you sucking my dick?

>>120635582
Where the hell do you think you are?

>>120636125
Tripfag central

>>120636154
What tipped you off?

>>120635582
I thought there was a general consensus on subs being always better than dubs. Only nostalgiafags (like me) can ever prefer dubs.

>>120635657
>mine is that i like steve blum
I like him but never thought him fitting for Spike's role.

>>120635672
>Am i fitting in yet guys!?

>>120636598
He's a fag, but he's kindda right.

The main cast and recurring characters and some of the one off characters are superior in the dub but a lot of the background characters and a few one offs like Rocco are much better in the sub

Unsho Ishizuka (Jet) and Norio Wakamoto (Vicious) sounded better in my opinion

As for Spike, I think both VAs were good.

>>120635582
Everyone who's not americunt.

>>120635702>>120635597

No, he actually doesn't. It's a stupid false rumor that people have been spreading without actually linking to any source which says so.

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what kind of fucking disgusting people watch anime dubbed?
go fuck yourselves, you deserve to die

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>>120635702
>spreading this bullshit for free with absolutely no facts to back it up

>>120635708
This is one of the only scenes I didn't feel was well-done in the dub. On the whole the dub is better. You can really tell that the original cast didn't give much of a shit.

>Am I in the minority?
Probably, but why would you give a shit about nostalgiafags who watched the dubbed version when they were children. I recently tried to watch the dubbed version and it's awful.

>>120635672
If you'd been on this board for more than 1 day you would know that Bebop's dub is pretty commonly viewed as as good or better than the sub. Creator even prefers dub.

>>120639359
>dub is pretty commonly viewed as as good or better than the sub
You can clearly see in this thread that it's the opposite.
>Creator even prefers dub.
Still no source to back up this retarded bullshit.

>>120639386
Why would a thread with 50 posts on 4chan represent the majority?
>no source
It's common knowledge, google it, you'll find it everywhere.

>>120639491
>Why would a thread with 50 posts on 4chan represent the majority?
Neither do your dub threads though I do have a feeling that's what you're going by.
>It's common knowledge, google it, you'll find it everywhere.
You mean it's a retarded rumour constantly spread by imbeciles such as yourself.

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>>120637891
this

>>120639555
False

>>120638367
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing?from=Main.SuperlativeDubbing
>The most famous example is the English dub of Cowboy Bebop, which is just as equally liked as the original Japanese version. Another notable one is the English dub of El-Hazard: The Magnificent World, which is even stated by the creators to be the definitive voice cast.

>tvtropes
I know, but this is where dubfags copy their arguments from. Just another example of their fantastic reading comprehension.

>>120639542
So you back your argument with posts from one thread and think that you have a valid point? There are threads like this one every couple weeks and it's very evenly split between people who like dubs and subs, but dubs for shows such as Eva and Bebop are widely accepted as good.
Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreatorPreferredAdaptation

>>120640207
I doubt it's all this one tvtropes' page's fault, I've been hearing that long before TVTropes. I think the rumor stems from an old DVD extra interview. I can't verify it because I can't find them subtitled easily on the Internet and I'm not about to comb through ever interview that Wantabe ever done.

>>120640842
It was a trivial interview but butthurt elitists love to say that if it's not official, it can't be proven. Official source has been lost at this point, so TvTropes is as close as it gets.

>>120640832
>Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreatorPreferredAdaptation
Have you even read what's in your link? There's still no fucking source.
>tvtropes

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Even Japanese people watch this shit in English with Japanese subtitles...

>>120641527
I'm sure they do, anon.
>...

>>120641477
See >>120640914
And stop acting like an elitist. It's from a DVD extra, so buy the DVD if you want the source interview. Your opinion of subs being better is taken with a grain of salt in the first place, and there's nothing to refute the link besides your own personal opinion.

Faye's Japanese voice is so much better

>>120640914
>>120641815
This is me >>120640842

And I just wanted to say, HEY NOW, I never said 100% it was from a DVD interview, I was speculating at the source and could only find that as a POSSIBLE source if any. From the direction this thread took, it sounds like you dubfags took that and ran with it.

I prefer Bebop's dub too, but it's on you to prove the claim. I'm sure the DVD extras are on the Internet and if you can find them with subtitles then you can verify the claim.

http://www.mania.com/anime-expo-new-york-cowboy-bebop-movie-dub-premier_article_86108.html
>Audience: What do you think of the American dub as opposed to the Japanese
version?
>Watanabe: The American version if very well made this time. My English isn' that good, but I though it sounded very good.
>The director of the English dub was in the audience,
Japanese sense of politeness with the dub director in front of him. Not one word about it being superior or preferred though.

Also according to som random ANN user, which is still a better source than tvtropes:
>Just as a point of reference and/or interest, I was at a discussion/autograph evening with Shinichiro Watanabe a couple of months ago here in Edinburgh, and 2 episodes of Bebop were shown, in Japanese as that was how Watanabe had requested they be shown.

>needing others to back up your own opinion
Subfags, I swear.

>>120635582
>TVtropes
>dubs
Quality thread.

>>120635657
Steve is cool but he's a better onizuka than spike

>>120642277
Female voices are the #1 reason dubs are garbage.

Steve Blum is the only human on Earth who can be the voice of Spike as far as I'm concerned.

Most dubs are shit, so when a decent one like Bebop comes around it seems great to dublovers. The original version is vastly superior though.

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>>120642296
>>The director of the English dub was in the audience

>>120642409
>dubfags make up false rumors about opinions of creator
>needing others to back up your own opinion
Dubfags, I swear.

Only americans like the dubs over the subs, so no.

>>120635582
It's because people here watched it first on the dub. The sub is better

Can any subfags give an actual reason why the sub is better? Is any dialogue actually changed?

>>120643014
The emotions are better expressed

>>120635582
>highly praised
>against the status quo
>/a/
Haven't even read the thread and know half the people will agree with you

>>120643014
The dub just sounds "wrong", see >>120635789

Not to sincerely post in this thread, but the "bang" at the end was delivered with resignation, exhaustion, and isolated finality in the original version. When Blum says it it's got horrible reverb and he is all genki when he says it like some videogame catchphrase or something. Totally ruined the mood.

>>120638932
To be fair, Dandy's dub is 50x better than the sub, aside from maybe QT's voice.

Cowboy Bebop, Dragon ball, and GitS are the only dubs i've ever preferred.

actually, i've never even heard GitS/SAC in Jap so maybe that's better too.

>>120635708

I don't see anything wrong with either version. The most noticeable difference was in the sound effects. In cases like that, listening to dialogue in your native language just makes sense.

>>120643409
IMO GitS:SAC is pretty equal in dub and sub. I overall prefer the Japanese version, the emotional, intense moments are done better in Japanese. "SAAAAAIIIIITOOOOOO" vs "Hey Saito! Hand over that weapon NNNNNOW!"

That said, Steve Blum is a lot better as The Laughing Man than the original. You can tell in that one scene where he threatens the medical CEO on live television that you see again and again. Blum gives a lot of depth to the performance, whereas the original guy just sounds flat with the same ol bishounen voice you've heard a million times.

I haven't watched the movie in English.

>>120643629
Lots of weird things make sense when you have poor judgment.

>>120643192
Not particular to /a/ at all. It's like, if you're not a contrarian, what you even doing on 4chan?

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cromartie dub>sub
prove me wrong without mentioning wakamoto

>>120643728

Poor judgement is using subtitles when better options are available. They do detract from the experience, and there are very few instances where people can enjoy an anime without that hindrance, so not taking advantage of the opportunity is foolish.

People always mention the same exact shows. Always.

>>120644299
it's not like dubbed shows are being pumped out. And a good dub will remain a good dub in 20 years, so there's no reason they wouldn't be mentioned

How about you actually talk about the show.
I've watched Toys in the Attic today. That fridge monster was something else.

>>120642590
>Steve Blum as Onizuka
That does not sound right to me.

>>120635695
Eugh... Berserk and Black Lagoon dubs were horrid, nothing like hiring a f-list va's straight of a kids show and then telling them to sound gruff and swear.

Sounds like tracheotomy victims doing mobster impersonations.

>>120641527
Of course they do, have you heard how their va's speak English in a show?
It's like Tricia Takanawa doing a parodying of a texan.

They think people actually talk like that.

>>120643014
Puns, pacing, names and intonation were off.

If you have no frame of reference, sure it's perfectly fine

But if you have a feel for the language and anime in general, it's like comparing Velveeta to cheese.

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>>120635582
>Cowboy Bebop
A lot of us saw that when the dub was easily available, and one of our first anime to watch, not really understanding the liberties dubs generally take for localization and other reasons to enjoy subs.

The preference for dub in Cowboy Bebop is mostly nostalgia or simply liking the version many of us were exposed to at the time.

>>120646526
>not really understanding the liberties dubs generally take for localization
But that's not a bad thing.

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>>120646685

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>>120646685
>But that's not a bad thing.
Yeah, not bad unless of course you're interested in what the original content actually is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7B-9gA9awY

In the role of female teacher, the talented Mr Slave.

>>120643378
>opinions

Dandy's dub were alright, no contest about that, but I still liked it better subbed. Also, as some anon said before, dubs will only sound natural for americans anyway.

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There are a handful of anime that I prefer the dub over the sub.

DBZ's sub voices are awful. Goku's voice sounds like either a little kid or an old woman. I don't give a shit that she was the VA for kid Goku, it doesn't fit at all for adult Goku. Also the original YGO series I prefer the dub because of Kaiba's extra snark.

Right now I'm convinced the only people who bash every single dub are either elitists or people trying too hard to fit in.

>>120646929
Whether the main character eats a jelly donut or an onigiri does not affect the story in any way that matters.

>>120635713
>>120635672
>>120639386
Jesus fucking christ kids, it's long been said that the Dub was superior

>Cowboy Bebop
>Welcome to the NHK
>FLCL

All shows with top-fucking tier dubs. And English just fits Cowboy Bebop better too. This blind "Sub > Dub!!!!" thing is a guideline, not a rule.

>>120647590
And neither does Bob the samurai, Tim the ninja and Susan the Concubine?

>>120647929
Reddit tier post.

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>>120647590
You're misrepresenting localization as regulated to only very trivial things. This is not the case.

But it's funny that you still managed to pick of an example that makes the dub look ridiculous. We have a term for onigiri in English, it's "rice ball." Choosing to localize it as donuts was idiotic.

>>120635708

I forgot how old and fat they made Vicious sound in the sub, it's horrible.

>>120648117
Redditor pls go.

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>>120642606

Dub women sound several years too old
Sub women sound several years too young

Dubs tend to be better when they aren't constrained to the high-pitched garbage of high school characters.