>character says lolicon
>subs say pedophile
You are talking about a group that wants to force their political opinions down your throat at every opportunity.
They could just type out "lolicon", they know what it means. They know that we know what it means, yet they felt it necessary to call it pedophilia instead because that is their view.
They couldn't stand to sit there and call it something else because they are insufferable nutjobs.
They couldn't just do their job, no; they simply had to change the meaning because that is how newspeak works.
>They could just type out "lolicon", they know what it means. They know that we know what it means
okay cool then how about the majority of their userbase that mostly only watch adultswim and maybe just now started watching anime on their PS3 since their friend keeps telling them how godlike crunchyroll is? You think they know what a lolicon is? Fuck off. Bitching about subs is fuckboy shit. Learn japanese if it's a problem you lazy fuck.
>I do know Japanese you pretentious child, that is exactly why I am complaining.
No you're complaining over some asinine weaboo shit. You're probably one of those fags that thinks honorifics are fine to leave in
If you find these girls attractive, you clearly are a pedo.
If lolicon isn't the term for pedophilia in moonspeak, then what is?
Because when I hear lolicon the image that pops in my head is way different to pedophile.
Anyone else think this guy's voice sounded odd?
It was like it was speaking thru a telephone...
According to Google.
Lolicon is the same thing as pedophilia. Would I call myself something different if I was gay and only liked 2D boys?
Who even cares if you're a pedophile or not? It's fucking 4chan.
Everytime I see this photo of Daiz, there's a voice telling me it's not a real photo of him.
What does Daiz actually look like /a/? Show me, not with actual photos of Daiz, but in your own special way.
Are you fuckers dumb?
Lolicon in nipland means pedophile.
Daiz is a god so he doesn't have a human form, and he acts through his familiar, which is basically a template for the average human if you stripped down all its features and left it as a bald twenty-something.
Which means being sexually attracted to children. Which means pedophile.
>being sexually attracted to children
It's being sexually attracted to sexy, promiscuous children.
Not that there's much difference for the average normalfag. So subbing it as "pedophile" is fine.
And even that says lolicon = pedophile.
Honestly, I don't understand why people throw such a fuss over this. He's shitting on some dudes by calling them pedos for being interested in 14yo girls who are the equivalent to "3dpd real life girls" in the world of the show. The translation is completely fine.
The only reason I can see for getting upset over it is >>120396870, and that's pretty sad.
I'm glad we agree about something, anon.
You shouldn't be allowed to criticize translations until you can tell me what's wrong with the subs in this pic.
Insecure lolifags seem to get upset over this every single time it happens.
It's because they're closet pedophiles who self identify as "lolicons" thinking it exclusively means 2D. When they find out it doesn't they get flustered and angry by the indirect accusation.
What's the fucking point of watching subs if you already know the language, retard? Oh that's right. You don't know shit. お前は本当にウザい。日本語が出来ない。このクソ垂れが。死ね
Who even cares, not like loli is ever going to remotely approach social acceptability in the west.
But if these 2D (we're not /tv/ here folks, come on) lolis continue being so sexy then that isn't going to stop me.
and what anon? this should be a non-issue.
Weabs here just cannot accept a general and straightforward translations and obviously calling out subber to pander their shitty taste.
Not to mention there is an anon pretending to know moon and tryhard to defend faggotry that OP has brought in.
Lolicon I think is pedo but only for girls. They should have put "pedo for girls".
The WORST thing in the whole world is when they put "daddy" in the subs when the characters are saying "papa" a word already in English. Disgusting.
I just refreshed an archived thread for awhile. Feel pretty dumb.
>tfw no loli to cook you meals.
pretty much this. it exists, but in American English, calling your dad "papa" makes you sound either European or from the 20's.
and if you don't want to make that implication/connotation, then subbing it as "daddy" I think it perfectly reasonable.
Unless of course it's an oujou or hime-sama character, in which case "papa" works quite well.
All of them are referred to Papa in English. I call my dad Papa. "Daddy" sounds like something out of an incest porno. Its so so skeevy when subbers put that in lieu of a perfectly fine English word like "Papa" which is already being used.
You're pretty weird (or from continental Europe). Daddy is a perfectly acceptable English word for a little kid to call their dad and it's only your perverted mind that makes it sound bad.
Papa sounds fucking weird in English.
>i-it's not pedophilia it's lolicon!
It's always hilarious, especially consider the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well.
>b-but I'm not attracted to 3D!
Because "3DPD" isn't just butthurt virgins in a fox and the grapes scenario. Yeah, I'm sure you have no desire for actual children. Pay no attention to the fantasies pedophiles...I'm sorry, "lolicon", keep posting about being able to act out their fetish in real life.
Always worth a chuckle seeing one group of pedophiles try to appear morally superior by dissociating from "bad" pedophiles. Exactly like how feminists love to claim "radical" feminists are totally different.
It does not. Are the Berenstain bears from Continential Europe?
Daddy has sexual secondary connotations look it up. You are taking an ENGLISH word (aka Papa) with no sexual connotations and changing it to an English word with sexual connotations why? Its just gross.
Did you fail stats and logic?
>It's always hilarious, especially consider the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well.
The number of people busted in comparison to the number of people who view loli is incredibly small. Those busted are almost certainly not random sampling of loli viewer because authorities only go after those with actual CP.
>the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well
Maybe that's because they get busted for having real CP?
The loli porn is brought up because of the media circus.
>especially consider the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well.
Thad who is one humongous retard != Everyone else.
Why am I responding.
If retard-tier anime subbers ever saw Berenstain bears, they would sub "Papa Bear" as "Daddy Bear"....sounds like some kind of gay porno thing. Gross.
But she's not saying Daddy. She's saying Papa. Why change it to the sexualized one?
You know you want that chair anon. You pervert you're just like onii-chan.
>tfw you will never operate with a loli taking down terrorists.
>You are taking an ENGLISH word (aka Papa)
Not native English. Or atleast not common English. Like using "pepsi" when referring to soft drinks in general, technically correct, but still weird.
There's a large subset of English speakers who would never think of using papa as a word for their father.
Use "dad" is "daddy" bothers you.
Papa does not sound archaic. It sounds like a normal childish affectionate term for a papa. Daddy is porno-tier.
And here's the bottom line, we can argue about which one is better all day. But what English word are the characters using? PAPA. The end.
To me using "papa" would be like using "chum" to mean friend. It simply sounds odd and outdated(to my American ear).
P.S. nothing technically correct about calling sodas pepsi. That's blasphemy.
>But what English word are the characters using?
None. They're using a Japanese word that is burrowed from some other language, not necessarily English, because using papa as a way to refer to your father is much, much, much common in other languages that aren't English.
>P.S. nothing technically correct about calling sodas pepsi
Easter Europeans and other people from that region used to call all sodas "pepsi." It was also common a long time ago in the US. I know some old people who offer you a "pepsi" and pull out a 7up or something.
>knock on door
>trick or treat!
>she wants candy
Huh interesting. I hear coke a lot as I'm in the south but never pepsi, of course I don't talk to a lot of old people about soda nomenclature.
No, I use Papa. Much like any normal person. Or "Pa".
What annoys me is these anime subbers changing an innocent English word into a sexualized one. Gross. Subbers should keep it as Papa, which is the word actually being used and which is already universally understood to mean a childish term for your papa.
Now if the anime character said "Otosan" and the subber change it to "daddy" fine. Whatever. The subber has bad taste when it comes to fatherly terms, and likely watches creepy porno but whatever. But when an anime character says PAPA, then the subber needs to leave English words be.
Kids say "Papa" like they say "Mama" kids are good at making those babbling sounds when they are young. Its just almost a natural, near-universal and beloved timeless term that suggests a childs love. "Daddy" just sounds repulsive in comparison. The connotations are just plain ugly and cheap
>No, I use Papa
You're in the minority. Even "Pa" is more common, but still old fashioned and southern.
>the subber needs to leave English words be
They're not fucking English. It's Japanese, the characters are speaking Japanese and using Japanese words that are borrowed from some other language (most likely not even English).
>Kids say "Papa" like they say "Mama" kids
Kids say "dad" and kids say "mom." Smaller kids say "daddy" and "mommy" and there's nothing wrong with it if you're not a pervert (which you obviously are). Toddlers babble (like saying "dada"), but were not talking about toddlers here.
Its common in English too. Its a nearly universal term, because of the way we develop linguistically.
Do you think we should subtitle the Barenstein bears and have Papa bear renamed to Daddy Bear, because its "more common"? Hell, where does this end? Should we subtitle all the character names to more "common" English names like Britney and Jason? "Most people" don't name their kids Sakura, after all.
Who gives a shit about "common"? We want them to be understood, and Papa is well understood. Its understood better than Daddy. Everyone knows that Papa means a childish term for a father. Daddy CAN mean that--it can also mean a sexual male figure.
You need to go down to definition 3 before you hit any fatherly understanding of the word.
BOOM, Definition #1 is the fatherly meaning. Need to go down to 3 before you see anything sexual.
Other uses? "a slang term meaning an older man sexually involved in a relationship or having a sexual interest in a younger man" and "a term for an age disparity in sexual relationships in which the older partner takes care of the younger, generally sexually"
No trace of sexual meanings anywhere.
>You're in the minority.
Maybe I am. But then, who cares? A guy named Keiichi would be in the minority in an English speaking country, should we subtitle his name to Kevin? Who do you think you are fooling? "Papa" is well understood in English even if it is a minority term, and (as I demonstrate in my last post), it is even better understood than "Daddy" which has obfuscating sexual connotations.
And its rich to call me the pervert when you are defending putting the word "daddy" into little kids mouths when they are clearly saying papa. Its just gross. What the hell are you afraid of?
>actually citing urbandictionary
Yeah, fuck off, mate.
If you actually bothered to look in the proper article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_and_papa), nowhere does it mention as "papa" being an acceptable English word.
Papa is not English.
>And its rich to call me the pervert when you are defending putting the word "daddy" into little kids mouths when they are clearly saying papa. Its just gross
you for real right now?
Once again the #1 definition is related to fatherhood even as it makes reference to the song. Everyone knows what Papa means.
Of course according to retard-tier anime subbers (and their defenders) this song is from "Continental Europe" or is "archaic" or some other crap.
>fucking a 16 year old girl is considered pedophilia in America
why this this place so ass backwards?
I know you're just rustling jimmies but just for the sake of fun
"Papa" been on a decline since 1870
Uh no, because that article does not bother listing what words Papa is acceptable in.
Papa is an acceptable word in English by virtue of it being an English word you idiotic retard.
ENGLISH. Boom. As if it even NEEDED to be said. And don't dare try to say "it says old-fashioned" because it says "familiar OR old-fashioned". And yes, "Papa" is a familiar term. It has connotations of closeness and love, much like a childs innocent love for their father.
And speaking of which you idiot person, since when does the ENGLISH wiki include terms for father from NON-ENGLISH languages? There's no English wiki page for "Otosan" because Otosan is not English. There's an English page for Papa because its fucking English you idiot. Your stupidity is stunning. Why am I even talking to these "Daddy defenders". Go back to jerking off to little anime kids and fantasizing that they are saying 'Daddy' instead.
You can see "daddy" increase faster in 1972. This is because the porn industry took off with the new technologies at the time.
Face you all are perverts and you want our nation's children to use your filthy words.
>since when does the ENGLISH wiki include terms for father from NON-ENGLISH languages
Since forever, when it's relevant somehow.
>old-fashioned term of address to one’s father.
So yeah, if you enjoy your anime's sounding like they came from the 18th century, go right ahead.
Son, Urban dictionary and Wikipedia both agree that Daddy has sexual connotations. Urban dictionary even puts those sexual connotations before the fatherly ones. If you walk up to a man in public and call him daddy, people will think you are a pervert long before they think you are using a childish term of affection and love.
Who gives a shit. Seriously. I don't care if its "been on decline". The name "Agnes" has been on decline too, but if I saw a character named "Agnes" in a show does that mean I should change her name to "Amanda" in totally superfluous subtitles? No. That would be stupid. That would be full-retard almost as retard as the anime subber subbing "Papa" to "Daddy".
Papa is perfectly understandable English, now and always. The connotations are pure and beautiful. English terms that are less common are still very much English and it makes no sense to replace them with repulsive but more common terms. (Even assuming that anyone can call their fathers daddy without gagging).
>Since forever, when it's relevant somehow.
Find me 10 wikipedia pages on non-English terms. Not loan words, but bona-fide terms we would not use in English. Ideally father terms, like Otosan.
>So yeah, if you enjoy your anime's sounding like they came from the 18th century, go right ahead.
...............................................................................................Familiar. It says "FAMILIAR or old-fashioned". I even warned you about that to begin with. I said, "don't say it says old-fashioned, because it says familiar OR old-fashioned".
This. The porno connotations are undeniable. Its so so gross. Especially when listeners can hear the audio clearly saying "PAPA". A subtitler doesn't need to put down anything at all. The subber can just leave the "Papa" alone and let listeners marvel at a truly universal expression of a child's love for her father. We don't need subs. Nobody does. People know what that means because that is how children express their love for their father. Just like the term "Mama" for mothers.
But nope. They put down "Daddy" like they are spitting in our face. Like "heh I bet this little kid is sooo boning her dad lol". Just get that out of my face. Fuck the 70s and fuck the term "Daddy". Gross.
To us there's a distinction between lolicon(2d) and Pedophile(3d). Its a bit different to the Japanese, is it not? So to match the context they changed it to pedophile.
If he were talking in terms of anime and manga I would agree with you.
Holy shit, tumblr go away. You fucking SJW freaks trying to make "daddy" a sexually charged word is pathetic. Funny how "Mommy" isn't getting the same treatment as Daddy.
Who the fuck cares about urbandictionary anyway? It's used by white trash, niggers and spics. If that is where you get your definitions, I feel bad for you.
Of course it does. Because it is. Like the dictionary (urban and real) and wikipedia both own up to it. Its just gross. Its not necessary or needed why insert it when they are already using a well-understood term?
Every incarnation of these girls turns me on.
it's accurate because IN THEIR UNIVERSE he likes little girls on the same dimension as him. If he likes little girls show on the TV OF THEIR UNIVERSE then he's a lolicon. get rekt
Yes, Papa is a loan word, I am glad you admit it. Like much of English it is a word which is from somewhere else (in this case Latin) but which fits in with universal language development of children.
Idiots ITT are under the impression that it is non-English.
Never. Papa is not old fashioned at all and if you think it is well I guess Japanese kids are all old fashioned you idiot. When are you going to start subbing out their "uncommon" names?
Mommy is not a gross porno term that is why.
Once again, motherhood connotations are #1. Sexualized meanings I could not see til #32. And its downvoted.
Lists no sexual connotations like it does with daddy. Is "Mama" by far a superior choice just based on its universal loving tone and simplicity? Yes. Would I be annoyed if a subber changed "Mama" to "Mommy" since it would be unnecessary and be a ugly choice? Yes. Would I be grossed out and want to go throw up? No, because there is no sexual meanings there. If a subber does that the subber is just a retard (like 90% of anime subbers), not a disgusting pervert.
Urban dictionary talks about English how its used by most people, since apparently that is of supreme importance to the "Daddy defenders". "Daddy" has been on the rise since the 70s alright, but for all the wrong reasons as we can see by urban dictionary. These sexual meanings are entrenched in the term, going back to the book 'Daddy Long Legs" in 1914 and possibly far earlier.
Well, technically speaking, lolicon is just the japanese word for pedophile, albeit gendered toward the female side. The translation is as good as it can be for viewers who have no idea what "lolicon" means.
I watch shit in MPCHC, but my online friend keeps telling me that there's nothing wrong to use up the free trial on CR if the other alternative is watching HS.
What do you think?
You should watch some of the KDrama subbers on viki they are really good at making things understandable.
They would put something like: "Pedophile (geared toward girls)". Simple and easy. They also leave in terms of affection in Korean culture without obnoxious clumsy attempts at translating them. Anime subbers could learn a thing or five from them.
>Japanese kids are all old fashioned
Japanese kids are speaking Japanese where it's perfectly common for them to call their father "papa."
Keeping "mama" in the subs is equally retarded since "mama" is also nowhere near as common in English as "mommy"
.....again by your logic, we should sub out "Sakura" for "Sarah" because that is "nowhere near as common in English as Sarah".
Its fucking retarded. The point of subtitles is not to mangle out and destroy all character and culture and beauty within language and trying to make everything sound like its happening in Middle America with the most """"""common"""""" words from Middle America. The point is to make the characters understood, so we know what they are saying so we can follow the story.
And Mama is 100% understood. It doesn't even have any "old-fashioned" in its wiktionary entry.
Its just a term you use for your mother. A childish and affectionate term.
You have to be an anime subber. There is no one on earth this retarded. By your logic, even English novels need someone like you to sub out all variances in language with more "common" equivalents. Retard. But if you don't defend "daddy" at least you aren't a pedo retard, so you have that going for you.
Japanese kids use "papa" because it's a trendy foreign word. Only small children and spoilt rich kids use it anyway because it is the modern equivalent of "Daddy". Them moving onto Otou-san/Oyaji is the equivalent of a white kid moving on to calling their father "Dad'. Get out of the house and talk to some white kids if you think only porn stars use "Daddy" you degenerate.
Also fuck you I used Daddy back in the day.
Viki are professionals though. Unlike 99% of anime fansubbers.
They just don't think their viewers are stupid. They aren't afraid to use parentheses to capture deeper meanings for the viewers (like letting their viewers know if a character is speaking in a dialect or formally if its relevant to the story). They aren't afraid of the characters being Korean and using Korean terms like Oppa rather than trying to squeeze in some non-existent English equivalent which sounds clumsy.
I've been watching KDramas with my middle aged mother, neither of us are Korean or have Korean background, and its been immensely enjoyable when compared to the mess that is Anime subbers. They just do a better job of conveying the story.
"Anime" in English means "Japanese cartoon".
"Anime" in Japanese means "cartoon".
Same for manga & comics. Anime & manga mean slightly different things in the two languages, and it's perfectly legitimate to reflect this in the translation.
Reversing name order for western languages is standard Japanese practice. Informed foreigners may use Japanese order for any number of reasons, but there's no obligation to do so.
"Papa" in English means "A childish affectionate term for father, possibly a bit old-fashioned but not really".
"Papa" in Japanese means " a childish and affectionate term for father".
"Daddy" in English means "a childish term for father or an older man who takes care of his younger lover in a sexual manner".
Anime subbers cannot reflect for shit.
>load up firefox, go to /a/
>first two posts
>"Daddy" in English means "a childish term for father or an older man who takes care of his younger lover in a sexual manner".
Where on earth do you live that the word daddy has such a connotation? Is this another one of your zany American jokes?
I meant to quote a guy, but it's mainly for when a character says [Last First] but then they sub it as [First Last]. It's even worst when they pull this shit in manga because how the fuck am I suppose to know which part of their name is first or last? Are they on first name terms?
....are you new?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daddy (see "other uses")
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=daddy (see definition 1)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/daddy (see definition 2)
Anime translators think their viewers are stupid. KDrama subbers have so much more respect for their viewers ability to understand "these people are Korean". I never see them try to Americanize the name order.
I think they were attempting to reduce this confusion by making it standard. In everyday situations a Japanese name will often have Western order in written form even if they're also saying it in Japanese order.
In practice I don't really think this works, for the reason you describe. They should have just done like China and mostly left it in Chinese order for everybody. People end up having to guess based on whether they think one name sounds more like a surname.
This makes sense to me. Better than trying to translate both (I have never seen an English translation of -chan that wasn't stupid as hell), or failing to translate "class rep".
You don't actually need the -chan at all in that situation. It's just ritual noise that communicates no real information beyond 'they aren't using unusually respectful or derogatory language', which you can convey in English by also not using such language.
If you hate foreign culture do you realize that 'Murrica actually makes cartoons too? And TV shows? Why you watch Japanese or Korean shows and then try desperately to imagine that they must be Americans?
You don't NEED anything, but you should leave it in, it conveys, you know, what the character is actually known as. Same as any other term of address.
Retard fansubbers be like "Lil' Class Rep".
The point is that that information is not needed in English because it's easy to make implicit in the rest of the text. You only need to draw attention to that sort of thing when the point of the original usage is to subvert understood meaning, and then you calibrate your translated words accordingly.
How do you think Japanese handles translating all those superfluous pronouns English is always using? You think they leave them in because they tell you untranslatable things about the grammar of the sentence?
This is an acceptable reason. Honorifics as flavor language are fine if you're consistent about them, especially in situations where the story at some point turns on changing usage for whatever reason, though it is sometimes possible to write around this as well. It's not like the translator's job is to actually make foreign characters non-foreign.
for a fictional character, another fictional character is as real as you are to me, therefore a fictional character having sexual attraction to prepubescent fictional children is the same as you having sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
In short, every anime lolicon is a pedophile. Lolicon and pedophile are synonyms.
>It's just ritual noise that communicates no real information beyond 'they aren't using unusually respectful or derogatory language'
What? Isn't referring to someone as Class Rep-chan more unusual than with no honorific at all?
Admittedly lots of people aren't great at writing clear dialogue, but a lot of weebs also refuse to acknowledge that interpersonal relations are expressed differently in languages where politeness is communicated more through noun and verb choice than grammar particles.
If you mean literally 'Class Rep-chan' and not the original Japanese, then yes that would be pretty weird. But there's nothing unusual about a female class rep getting a -chan from her peers. That doesn't tell you anything noteworthy about the speaker or their relationship. If they were -kun or -sama or -dono or something silly like that, you'd have to either leave it in and assume your readers know the differences or make sure the word choice reflected the attitude.
Lolicon is the new Anime.
Lolicon in Japan means pedophilia.
Anime in Japan means cartoon.
Lolicon outside Japan means attraction towards 2D.
Anime outside Japan means animation from Japan.
In japan, they don't distinguish 2d/3d nor western/japanese cartoon.
When saying class rep-chan I mean when they're referring her specifically by the title, not by name.
For instance in the example provided by >>120404002. It's actually very unusual to use the honorific -chan in this case.
I'd translate lolicon with pedo and shouniaisha with pedophile. Lolicon is not the word that would be read in a newspaper. The difference between the two is like the difference between the word gay and the word homosexual.
Oh that. Well, what special information do you think that conveys that can't be expressed in word choice from the person giving her a superfluous title? There are instances where that kind of thing is just done to be playful or cute, but that's hardly impossible to convey through other means.
I've always taken 'lolicon' to mean an intense form of adoration, but it does make sense to also use paedophile, too. The way I see it, a lolicon is a thing that derives quite a bit of emotional comfort or a positive feeling from pre-teenage persons. It sounds pretty suspicious when it's worded this way, but if you think of it as a similar expression to what we show kittens, puppies, and actual (non-fictional) children, you'll get what I mean. It does, however, become messy when eroticism entres the picture.
When the presentation of that of a pre-teenage person begins to feature visual cues that are typically reserved for those who are in post-puberty, there's this sort of tension between the feeling of adoration that we would typically have and that of what we're supposed to be aroused by. In this respect, I'm tempted to go the way of traps to call it a sort of perspectival distortion: the visual cues say fap, while the other cues are there for our inclination to nurture or adore. Because of that, it's not really clear whether to use paedophile or to call it a 'mistake' from the different parts of the brain.
I suppose I'll leave it at this. A fixation, endorsement, or comfort from young children does not constitute paedophile; a strong sexual preference or pretext constitutes paedophile.
Anyone have any other thoughts?
It's entirely based on situation. It can show a close or informal relationship, or it can be creepy otaku referring to other people by archetype. Language isn't binary, subbers wouldn't fuck up honorifics on every possible occasion if it were.
I always wondered what the hell is up with age system and discrimination on prison, sex, drinking, marriage etc.
Is this some kind of illuminatee bullshit? Or just some successful shilling?
?Between the age limit of nine and fourteen there occurs maidens who, to certain bewitched travelers, twice or many times older than they, reveal their true nature which is not human but loli (that is demonaic); and these chosen creatures I propose to designate as "lolis."
If you can't read Japanese, then they say 子 is meant to be understand as "child" from the parent-child point of view, even technically unrelated to age, since everyone has or had parents, right? And 児 is meant to be understood as "child" from the young age point of view.
Btw this is a pretty pointless thread.
Different connotations. 児 is essentially "juvenile" and is applied to very young animals as well; 子 can mean "child" or a zodiac sign. The two characters also have completely different pronunciations in original Chinese.
"anime" is not used in English the same way it is in Japanese. It might have originated from there but now it's an English word for chinise cartoons.
>uses not english words
En route to tell you you're a cratin.
I think you have me confused with someone else. I was explaining to someone that they are retarded to think that loanwords can't be part of English
Think of a dirtier word than daddy.
Protip: You Can't
Lolicon is not a loanword. It doesn't exist in English.
You mean like anime, manga, or literally any loanword at first?
Oh you mean all those words that didn't already have an english word for them?
Also they entered the language trough everyday use, not by being put in subtitles before they are even widespread
>didn't already have an english word for them
>not in everyday use
You know, sombrero in Spanish only means hat, while in English it has a specific meaning of a certain type of Mexicain hat. I fail to see how this is any different with manga or anime.
They didn't. They are subcategories of things that already have words, so you can get them by combining an adjective and a noun, but they didn't already have existing equivalents.
>lolicon in everyday use
So do you ever communicate outside /a/?
>They are subcategories of things that already have words, so you can get them by combining an adjective and a noun, but they didn't already have existing equivalents.
So what you're saying is they're exactly the same as "lolicon".
>So do you ever communicate outside /a/?
Do you? Lolicon sees everyday use in literally every anime community on the internet.
>watching my american anime
I saw that, and I still don't see your point. The japanese "anime" which means cartoon was loaned to mean "japanese cartoon" and that's how it had new meaning that is actually useful because it's not already covered by something else
>So what you're saying is they're exactly the same as "lolicon".
Wait, how do you want to use "lolicon" in english?
They are currently used for "japanese cartoons" and "japanese comics" respectively. Well, that's pretty rough, go check the anidb definition for more precise
I didn't disagree. I began my post with "it is"
It seems the issue here is that you want "anime" and "manga" to refer specifically to subcategories of cartoons, yet for no explainable reason you think "lolicon" must refer directly to pedophilia rather than a subcategory of pedophilia.
#checkmate #checkyourprivilege #checkmyadultdiaper
>I can't answer so I'll beat around the bush
Alright. I'll try to give it a rough definition. It seems it's either used in its original meaning (pedophile) or for someone who's sexually attracted to drawings of children. If we assume you want it to be loaned for the second thing, that makes OP's translation perfect
>you're pedo for fapping to completely 2D lolis even if 3Dshit has absolutely no appeal to you
>you're gay for fapping to completely 2D traps even if 3Dshit has absolutely no appeal to you
Stupid humans. I can't wait for the sun to burn out before this cancer infests the universe.
>beat around the bush
How exactly is citing Google beating around the bush? Google sure as fuck knows proper usage for the word better than you do.
>It seems it's either used in its original meaning (pedophile)
Japanese already has a word for pedo, and it isn't Lolicon.
>for someone who's sexually attracted to drawings of children.
This definition is wrong as well. Holy fuck just google it already.
>If we assume you want it to be loaned for the second thing, that makes OP's translation perfect
If Lolicon =/= pedo, then translating Lolicon to pedo is perfect? Do explain.
Jesus christ you're retarded. The English lolicon != the english pedo, and the Japanese ロリコン translates as pedophile. Pic related
Google gives drawings of children.
>all the normalfaggots in every thread like this who can't argue without any shitty transparent butthurt
The only reason I despise 3D pedofaggots is because they have shit taste so bad it infuriates me and I personally want to kill them all for being an inconvenience to me liking loli. If they attack an anon's imouto, though, they need to die.
not all pedos indulge their fantasies
not all people with homosexual tendencies indulge them
just because you like chocolate cake but dont eat it doesn't mean you're not still a scum-sucking chocolate cake loving piggu
>using google translate
Except pedophile is defined by an attraction to the prepubescent which means in this case it is factually wrong. Lolicon is defined by characteristics and/or age, unlike pedophile. The person/character could be over 18(13/14 for pedophile) and still be considered a loli.
And the bottom line is loli has completely separate traits in appearance from normal 3Dshits. You're a fucking idiot for thinking that and you also clearly can't even use proper capitalization. It's the exact reason I pointed out traps. It's the way it's drawn that makes them sexually appealing to someone who otherwise has absolutely no attraction to 3Dshits or the same sex. It wouldn't otherwise and if you're not the retard here, you'd see what I mean.
>just because you like chocolate cake but dont eat it doesn't mean you're not still a scum-sucking chocolate cake loving piggu
First, I'm not convinced that also holds true in Japan. Second, pedophiles would be attracted to someone who looks like a kid even if they aren't, so that doesn't really make a difference.
Pedophile works for both genders
noun: paedophile; plural noun: paedophiles; noun: pedophile; plural noun: pedophiles
a person who is sexually attracted to children.
post is still complete trash
"waaah, why do people think that since i like cartoons of children being raped and cartoons of dickgirls that that means im a gay pedophile? i dont like children getting raped and i dont like dickgirls!!!"
>I'm going to shitpost because I lost an internet argument
>You're post is trash and hurts to read
i think i just shit myself laughing
the complete irony of the situation
>Learn to post right
i dont think i ever will if the textbook tells you to just be a massive crybaby faggot while mainlining mountain dew and doritos into your testicles
out of poor reading comprehension
is it weird that this board makes me want to use the word milady and wear a fedora more and more every day
Blue boards are a shit. Posting lewd pictures can't hurt anyone.
And the reactions to female (even loli) nipples is fucking ridiculous.
Because the this thread has derailed from the initial shitty topic long ago.
Nobody cares about that retard OP or his shitty post.
I don't give a fuck what the definition is. Fuck people and all the stupid shit they try to make indisputable fact. The bottom line is the only kind of children who don't piss me off by even just existing are lolis and shotas whether or not I'm sexually attracted. Then again, I shouldn't listen to the opinions of moralfaggots to begin with.
Stop posting nudity you guys my boss might see.
Nobody says it's wrong to be a pedophile. It's wrong to be a sexual predator, but pedophiles can easily be a part of a society. In short, there's no need for denial here, because we'll accept you
>continues to insult my posting style after shitting all over himself no more that two posts back
you post like a broca's area atrophied children's hospital inpatient
you're the last person anyone should be taking post quality advice from
Tell that to /l/. Oh wait, it got axed
Obsessive shitposting occasionally gets deleted tho. I've seen homuhater and degeneracy-kun being banned and their posts deleted
Pedophile is strictly defined by attraction by age, so yes, it does make a difference. Now, I'm not going to deny that there is some overlap, because there obviously is. But saying that pedophilia and lolicon are the same is patently incorrect. In addition I'll also say that this is more real world as anime tends to blur a lot of lines. However I'm one that is cautious about equating simulated(like 2d) interests with real world interests. I think there is a difference.
You think I'm just going to accept being associated with their kind? Not happening. Even as a kid I just wanted nothing to do with anyone because they were all loud, annoying retarded obnoxious faggots. This attitude did not change in the slightest entering middle school and later high school because it was almost the exact same shit every time. Do I identify myself as part of a demographic no matter how offensive and undesirable I personally find them?
No. Fuck you all. I'm not accepting shit.
I got news for you, a lolicon is a pedophile.
It's only because Japanese are non-confrontational that rorikon doesn't have a negative connotation.
I lived there for a year and there were very few things Japanese found outrageous. Touching little girls? Oh he is just a dirty old man. Little girl gets hit by a truck? She shouldn't be walking on the road. Walking into a house with your shoes on? HOLY SHIT CALL THE POLICE, CALL THE ARMY, KILL IT WITH FIRE!
Japanese are weird.
But pedophiles are still attracted by the characteristics. Do you really think a pedophile would want to fuck a child with disgusting cow tits and not want to fuck a legal loli? And in addition, the japanese roricon isn't restricted to 2D
The problem with using season is that it can refer to a 1/4 year block and also can refer to a single season of a show spanning multiple blocks often with no difference in context.
>while i wait for my chinese food to get here
A dog head cooked in oil from the canalization? Well, bon a petite.
Only for guests and visitors.
I had to buy 4 fucking pairs of shoes to go to school. First pair is for getting there. Second pair is for walking around the corridors. Third pair is for the gym and the fourth pair is for formal occasions (in the gym).
why are you so insistent that i capitalize for you? is it because this is a big part of your life? i would have loved it if you hadn't used the wrong form of your/you're back there, but hey, its not paramount to my day that you use correct grammar. why do you think you deserve properly capitalized replies?
Yet attraction to characteristics are not what defines a pedophile.
I never suggested lolicon was restricted to 2D, I'm saying lolicon is a more broad term while pedophile is more precise.
From what I see, the stuff that got deleted wasn't SFW but that shouldn't matter anyways, your point still stands.
Holy shit, you're retarded.
If it's SFW, make the threads anyways. If it's just some asshurt filthy normalfaggots thinking they can force their moralfaggot values on everyone else, there's no argument. Pedofaggots who want to actually fuck 3Dshits are the cancer of loli.
I know what I'll be fapping to for the next twenty minutes.
Why do you post as if you weren't the same person?
Of course you would think you're "right", I'm saying that you're retarded because you're angry as fuck and take everything seriously.
Calm down, man. Learn how to capitalize and use at least some punctuation and everyone here will see you in a much better light.
Hey, nobody's forcing you to be here, just leave if you don't like this place.
It's not that odd. I'm an Eurofag and it was pretty much the same for me: one pair for getting to school, second pair for walking inside the school, third pair for the gym, and fourth pair for outdoor P.E.
During the summer I literally use the same shoes for all of the described situations (also eurofag here). The only change I've ever had to do is that sometimes the gym requires you to not use outdoor shoes inside
Good to see our mods hard at work removing this trolling and shitposting.
At least they care about our jobs, right? :^)
Why the fuck are you using Wikipedia of all things?
Papa, mama, daddy and mommy are all things I know as referring to parents in some manner. It really is you who sees it as only porn connotations, that or just yanks.
I can understand the use of san -> sama or other such changes brought on by admiration or something else, but it's hard to make that come across in the text, when the character doesn't have a change in vocabulary towards the individual, but just a change in honorific.
Obviously a relationship that gets closer could have characters start using more slang or relaxed language around each other to convey the sama -> san kind of relationship. But a lot of that kind of thing require foresight into how the character is going to change to be ready to accommodate such a thing, because other wise it would be like they are a totally different person whipping out a different manner of speaking to the same person just a few days later.
Well, yeah, lolicon and pedo is about the same thing.
The only diference is that one is 2D and the other 3D. Why would you need a specific word for 2D pedos? There isn't one for 2D murder, 2D sex, 2D cheating
Step it up, Ronnie.
Simple if they don't know a word Google is their friend. It only take five seconds to enter a word and then two seconds to click search.
Take it easy. You are taking this too seriously.
There was this, I don't know what to call it demotivational poster, meme, whatever the term. Weebs tried differentiate english words to the Japanese words yet use the synonyms of the word:
You say gay, we say yaoi.
You say transexual, we say trap.
You say cartoon, we say anime.
You get the gist.
And this is the first result: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080723171126AAUFcBB which describes it as indistinguishable from pedophilia. In other words, to the average person, "pedophile" is a valid and accurate translation.
That's a medical procedure.
>He's shitting on some dudes by calling them pedos for being interested in 14yo girls who are the equivalent to "3dpd real life girls" in the world of the show. The translation is completely fine.
No it isn't. The girls have clearly reached puberty, therefore attraction to them cannot be called pedophilia, but hebophilia.
"Just because you aren't attracted to all children"
This not what he was saying though
He isn't attracted to ANY real child
If you were to think that drawn children are the same as real children, then you have a much more serious mental problem than lolicons
Drawings of children are called "drawings OF CHILDREN" because they visually resemble children. If there wasn't a clear connection they wouldn't be called drawings of children. Stop with the denial
Can we all agree that Lolicon and Shotacon is a subset of Pedophilia/Hebephillia/every -philia that involves humans ages 1-14/humans that looks like someone 1-14?
Loli/Shota is a bodytype after all.
He did me for me free but it didn't stick.