>character says lolicon >subs say pedophile Really?

>>120396621
>Crunchyroll

Well what did you expect?

Hitting too close to home?

Its the same thing so.

>>120396621
>horriblesubs
You are talking about a group that wants to force their political opinions down your throat at every opportunity.
They could just type out "lolicon", they know what it means. They know that we know what it means, yet they felt it necessary to call it pedophilia instead because that is their view.
They couldn't stand to sit there and call it something else because they are insufferable nutjobs.
They couldn't just do their job, no; they simply had to change the meaning because that is how newspeak works.
Fuck them.

Are you retarded? In what universe would that not mean pedophile, in that context? It's not like they're talking about 2D , from their perspective.

>>120396897
who

>>120396897
>They could just type out "lolicon", they know what it means. They know that we know what it means

okay cool then how about the majority of their userbase that mostly only watch adultswim and maybe just now started watching anime on their PS3 since their friend keeps telling them how godlike crunchyroll is? You think they know what a lolicon is? Fuck off. Bitching about subs is fuckboy shit. Learn japanese if it's a problem you lazy fuck.

>>120397046
You are rather presumptuous.

Crunchyroll is a bunch of SJWs who don't even know Japanese

>>120397046
I do know Japanese you pretentious child, that is exactly why I am complaining.

>high school
>pedo

>>120396621
That's exactly what it means, though. I don't see the problem.

Having a crunchyroll subscription should be a perma ban.

>>120396621
>lolicons
>Not pedophiles
Now shota, that's different. Shota is pure.

>>120397195
Are you implying that highschool girls, 16 years old, are infants?

>>120397163
>I do know Japanese you pretentious child, that is exactly why I am complaining.
No you're complaining over some asinine weaboo shit. You're probably one of those fags that thinks honorifics are fine to leave in

pedophile and lolicon are synonyms, anon. you have a disease and belong in prison. get help.

Is "It's not pedophilia it's lolicon" the pedophile equivalent of the landwhale statement "It's not gay stuff it's boys love"?

>>120396897
The guys who did Kuroko last season were good but the got changed for some faggots

>>120397283
Pedophilia isn't a crime.

>>120397282
>honorifics are fine to leave in
They are though

>>120397282
Obvious troll is obvious.

>>120397282
Quit pretending you're not a weeb

>>120397334
>>120397340
It's not a troll. Fuck you and read a book. We've been translating from Japanese much longer then we've been translating their children's cartoons.

>>120397282
I don't know about you but translating ''san'' to mister always sound fucking retarded to me.

>>120397400
>not translating san to Sir
tanaka-san --> Sir Tanaka

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>>120396621
If you find these girls attractive, you clearly are a pedo.

>>120397268
The twins aren't 16, they're 14. And even so, whether the twins can be considered lolis or not isn't very important to the translation of the insult.

>>120397400
>>120397480
What to translate it to depends on the context. It's not one straight translation.

>>120397288
It's not pedophilia because I can jerk it to lolis but have no attraction to children whatsoever.

>>120396897
>Horriblesubs is a sub group
How to spot a retard. Go back to your containment board. I don't think I need to tell you which one.

>>120397288
What are you even talking about?

>>120397568
He's saying lolicons are pedophiles in denial.

>>120397600

But doesn't he know that 2D ≠ 3D?

>>120398126
How do I do the not equal sign?

>>120396785
thats horriblesubs u fuckwit

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If lolicon isn't the term for pedophilia in moonspeak, then what is?
Because when I hear lolicon the image that pops in my head is way different to pedophile.

>>120398209
Horriblesubs uses crunchyroll's script, you fucking retard.

>>120398209
Yeah what an idiot. The HorribleSubs crew works very hard to bring us the majority of anime each season.

>>120398209
They sub everything they put out, right guys?
>no punctuation
>no capitalization
>u
Please leave.

>>120398271
The term is pedophile.

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Anyone else think this guy's voice sounded odd?
It was like it was speaking thru a telephone...

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>>120398271
According to Google.

>>120398356
The japanese word for pedophile is pedophile?
Don't they have like a word of their own?

>>120398395
Never heard that before.

>>120398445
Because they use it for 3D stuff.

"Lolicon" and "pedophile" meaning different things is an entirely western concept. It's like how we made up specific definitions for hentai and ecchi.

>>120398403
They have words for most of the thing they use english, but they don't sound as cool.

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Too late, it's over. You didn't listen.

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Lolicon is the same thing as pedophilia. Would I call myself something different if I was gay and only liked 2D boys?

Who even cares if you're a pedophile or not? It's fucking 4chan.

>>120398483
>>120398518

No, lolicon literally means "Lolita Complex" which isn't the same as pedophilia and both are used differently.

>>120398563
3D pedos are disgusting.

>>120396621
Lolicon is just a gender-specific pedophile.

>>120398553
Everytime I see this photo of Daiz, there's a voice telling me it's not a real photo of him.

What does Daiz actually look like /a/? Show me, not with actual photos of Daiz, but in your own special way.

>>120398553
>soiling GOT with unwatchable 10-bit

>>120398639
FUCK DAIZ

>>120397283
>disease
>belong in prison
American detected

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Are you fuckers dumb?

Lolicon in nipland means pedophile.

>>120398711
No, it means lolita complex.

>>120398639
Daiz is a god so he doesn't have a human form, and he acts through his familiar, which is basically a template for the average human if you stripped down all its features and left it as a bald twenty-something.

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>>120398639

>>120396897
weab syndrome strikes eh, anon.
Those two words mean the same thing.

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>>120398754
Which means being sexually attracted to children. Which means pedophile.

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>>120398639

>>120398836
>being sexually attracted to children
It's being sexually attracted to sexy, promiscuous children.

Not that there's much difference for the average normalfag. So subbing it as "pedophile" is fine.

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>>120398395
And even that says lolicon = pedophile.

Honestly, I don't understand why people throw such a fuss over this. He's shitting on some dudes by calling them pedos for being interested in 14yo girls who are the equivalent to "3dpd real life girls" in the world of the show. The translation is completely fine.

The only reason I can see for getting upset over it is >>120396870, and that's pretty sad.

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>>120398886
I'm glad we agree about something, anon.

>>120398754
How do you say pedophile in Japanese then, for fucks sake?

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Post moar loli

>>120398639
Summoning Daiz as we speak.

Do you faggots really get upset over shit like this?

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Who the fuck cares? Post more loli

>>120396621
>Not opening it in Aegisub and changing it yourself
That's what I do when I see bullshit like this.

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>>120396621

You shouldn't be allowed to criticize translations until you can tell me what's wrong with the subs in this pic.

>>120398832
Pretty sure weebs know that lolicon means pedo to the japs.
It's only in the anglosphere that it refers exclusively to 2D.

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>>120399195
>reported
reported

>>120399229
>>reported
>reported
reported

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>>120399080
Insecure lolifags seem to get upset over this every single time it happens.

>>120399080
It's because they're closet pedophiles who self identify as "lolicons" thinking it exclusively means 2D. When they find out it doesn't they get flustered and angry by the indirect accusation.

>>120397163
>knows japanese
>watches subs

What's the fucking point of watching subs if you already know the language, retard? Oh that's right. You don't know shit. お前は本当にウザい。日本語が出来ない。このクソ垂れが。死ね

>>120398381
It does, like an old man trying to act 'radical'.

>>120397282
>that thinks honorifics are fine to leave in
They are

ITT: Pedos in serious denial
Disgusting.

Who even cares, not like loli is ever going to remotely approach social acceptability in the west.

But if these 2D (we're not /tv/ here folks, come on) lolis continue being so sexy then that isn't going to stop me.

>>120399366
>ops broken dick kek

I think you mean LITTLE WHITE DICK.

>>120399210
and what anon? this should be a non-issue.
Weabs here just cannot accept a general and straightforward translations and obviously calling out subber to pander their shitty taste.

Not to mention there is an anon pretending to know moon and tryhard to defend faggotry that OP has brought in.

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>>120399229
Here's higher res

Lolicon I think is pedo but only for girls. They should have put "pedo for girls".

The WORST thing in the whole world is when they put "daddy" in the subs when the characters are saying "papa" a word already in English. Disgusting.

>>120398553
>Personally cockblocking aya hirano's bassist
>introducing miura to iDOLM@STER
my sides

>>120399402
>not like loli is ever going to remotely approach social acceptability in the west.
Don't underestimate my power.

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>>120399546
What power?

>>120399465
>"papa" a word already in English
I don't think I've ever hear anyone use "papa" in any English speaking media or in real-life in English.

It works in Russian, though.

>>120399603
I have "that".

>>120399634

You have to be a damn idiot then. It an English word. Papa Smurf? Papa Mousekowitz? Papa Bear? Papa Johns Pizza?

Maybe Subbers come from under the same rock that you do.

>>120399738
N-not that!

>>120399788
I mean in the sense that I'd never heard anyone refer to their father as "papa" in English.

>>120399807
Yes, "that". Even if it costs me everything.

>>120399788
>It an English word

It's actually French.

>>120399882
So is about half the English vocabulary, your point?

>>120399855
Always wondered how tape can spread open a pussy when the tape would just lose it's stickiness with a little fluid. Too bad I have no ways of finding out in real life

>>120399855
based dubs

>>120398381
Will be fixed in the BD.

>>120399882
>spanish
fixed

>>120399834
I agree while it is a word of course, someone calling their father "papa" makes me think of Continental Europeans.
>>120399882
How dumb are you?

>>120399934
You need to have a little faith, friend.

>>120399980
>spanish
That's papá

Japanese "papa" is close to the way Russians use it.

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I just refreshed an archived thread for awhile. Feel pretty dumb.
>tfw no loli to cook you meals.

>>120400127

Loli milk.

y/n

>>120399987
pretty much this. it exists, but in American English, calling your dad "papa" makes you sound either European or from the 20's.

and if you don't want to make that implication/connotation, then subbing it as "daddy" I think it perfectly reasonable.

Unless of course it's an oujou or hime-sama character, in which case "papa" works quite well.

>>120399834

All of them are referred to Papa in English. I call my dad Papa. "Daddy" sounds like something out of an incest porno. Its so so skeevy when subbers put that in lieu of a perfectly fine English word like "Papa" which is already being used.

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>>120399336
>Every fucking time

Japanese use "lolicon" for both the 3D and 2D variety like how they use "anime" for both western and Japanese cartoons.

Kill yourself.

>>120400215
You're pretty weird (or from continental Europe). Daddy is a perfectly acceptable English word for a little kid to call their dad and it's only your perverted mind that makes it sound bad.

Papa sounds fucking weird in English.

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>>120400166
que?
BTW this is me irl.

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>i-it's not pedophilia it's lolicon!

It's always hilarious, especially consider the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well.

>b-but I'm not attracted to 3D!

Because "3DPD" isn't just butthurt virgins in a fox and the grapes scenario. Yeah, I'm sure you have no desire for actual children. Pay no attention to the fantasies pedophiles...I'm sorry, "lolicon", keep posting about being able to act out their fetish in real life.

Always worth a chuckle seeing one group of pedophiles try to appear morally superior by dissociating from "bad" pedophiles. Exactly like how feminists love to claim "radical" feminists are totally different.

>>120399934
So somebody share my concern.

>>120400298

It does not. Are the Berenstain bears from Continential Europe?

Daddy has sexual secondary connotations look it up. You are taking an ENGLISH word (aka Papa) with no sexual connotations and changing it to an English word with sexual connotations why? Its just gross.

>>120398886
>IT's okay your honor, I know she was six, but she was begging to suck it

>>120400363
Did you fail stats and logic?
>It's always hilarious, especially consider the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well.
The number of people busted in comparison to the number of people who view loli is incredibly small. Those busted are almost certainly not random sampling of loli viewer because authorities only go after those with actual CP.

>>120400363
>the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well
Maybe that's because they get busted for having real CP?

The loli porn is brought up because of the media circus.

>>120400363
>Exactly like how feminists love to claim "radical" feminists are totally different.

But there's nothing wrong with feminists

>>120399336
>>>>reported
>>>reported
>>reported
>reported

>>120400363
>especially consider the guys who get busted for having loli porn almost always have real CP as well.
Thad who is one humongous retard != Everyone else.
>...
Why am I responding.

>>120400324
I hope you keep proper hygiene for that chairs sake.

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>>120398639

>>120399336
>you will never frech kiss it

I regret this loli = pedo maymay.

I liked /a/ much better when it militant about distinguishing 2D and 3D. Must be the 3D pedos coming over from /b/.

>>120400441
You watch too much porn. Daddy only sound sexual if it's a teenage girl wearing skimpy clothes and sucking on her finger. A little kid saying daddy is completely normal.

>>120400582
It's the crossboarders due to moot's friendly speech.

>>120400441

If retard-tier anime subbers ever saw Berenstain bears, they would sub "Papa Bear" as "Daddy Bear"....sounds like some kind of gay porno thing. Gross.

>>120400587

But she's not saying Daddy. She's saying Papa. Why change it to the sexualized one?

>>120400441
Daddy is completely fine as an infantile expression of affection, same as Dad. Always has been.

Papa sounds as archaic as Father.

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>>120400499
You know you want that chair anon. You pervert you're just like onii-chan.
>tfw you will never operate with a loli taking down terrorists.

>>120400487
Heh.

>>120400441
>You are taking an ENGLISH word (aka Papa)
Not native English. Or atleast not common English. Like using "pepsi" when referring to soft drinks in general, technically correct, but still weird.

There's a large subset of English speakers who would never think of using papa as a word for their father.

Use "dad" is "daddy" bothers you.

>>120400672
Because papa sounds old. There is a big difference when "papa" is part of the name like "papa bear" or "papa smurf" etc.

>>120400676

Papa does not sound archaic. It sounds like a normal childish affectionate term for a papa. Daddy is porno-tier.

And here's the bottom line, we can argue about which one is better all day. But what English word are the characters using? PAPA. The end.

>>120400672
>Why change it to the sexualized one?
Because most kids don't call their father "papa," regardless of your own experience.

>>120399855
does it really look like that inside

>>120400487
There is something wrong with some of them, but that goes for most anything.

>>120400776
To me using "papa" would be like using "chum" to mean friend. It simply sounds odd and outdated(to my American ear).

P.S. nothing technically correct about calling sodas pepsi. That's blasphemy.

>>120400819
>But what English word are the characters using?
None. They're using a Japanese word that is burrowed from some other language, not necessarily English, because using papa as a way to refer to your father is much, much, much common in other languages that aren't English.

>>120400908
>P.S. nothing technically correct about calling sodas pepsi
Easter Europeans and other people from that region used to call all sodas "pepsi." It was also common a long time ago in the US. I know some old people who offer you a "pepsi" and pull out a 7up or something.

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>knock on door
>trick or treat!
>she wants candy
wat do?

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>>120401009
Huh interesting. I hear coke a lot as I'm in the south but never pepsi, of course I don't talk to a lot of old people about soda nomenclature.

Pic related.

>>120400776

No, I use Papa. Much like any normal person. Or "Pa".

What annoys me is these anime subbers changing an innocent English word into a sexualized one. Gross. Subbers should keep it as Papa, which is the word actually being used and which is already universally understood to mean a childish term for your papa.

Now if the anime character said "Otosan" and the subber change it to "daddy" fine. Whatever. The subber has bad taste when it comes to fatherly terms, and likely watches creepy porno but whatever. But when an anime character says PAPA, then the subber needs to leave English words be.

Kids say "Papa" like they say "Mama" kids are good at making those babbling sounds when they are young. Its just almost a natural, near-universal and beloved timeless term that suggests a childs love. "Daddy" just sounds repulsive in comparison. The connotations are just plain ugly and cheap

>>120401021
Give her a treat she'll never forget.

Full-size Snickers bar.

>>120401099
this is a weird troll

>>120401099
>No, I use Papa
You're in the minority. Even "Pa" is more common, but still old fashioned and southern.

>the subber needs to leave English words be
They're not fucking English. It's Japanese, the characters are speaking Japanese and using Japanese words that are borrowed from some other language (most likely not even English).

>Kids say "Papa" like they say "Mama" kids
Kids say "dad" and kids say "mom." Smaller kids say "daddy" and "mommy" and there's nothing wrong with it if you're not a pervert (which you obviously are). Toddlers babble (like saying "dada"), but were not talking about toddlers here.

>>120400926
>>120400848

Its common in English too. Its a nearly universal term, because of the way we develop linguistically.

Do you think we should subtitle the Barenstein bears and have Papa bear renamed to Daddy Bear, because its "more common"? Hell, where does this end? Should we subtitle all the character names to more "common" English names like Britney and Jason? "Most people" don't name their kids Sakura, after all.

Who gives a shit about "common"? We want them to be understood, and Papa is well understood. Its understood better than Daddy. Everyone knows that Papa means a childish term for a father. Daddy CAN mean that--it can also mean a sexual male figure.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=daddy

You need to go down to definition 3 before you hit any fatherly understanding of the word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=papa

BOOM, Definition #1 is the fatherly meaning. Need to go down to 3 before you see anything sexual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daddy

Other uses? "a slang term meaning an older man sexually involved in a relationship or having a sexual interest in a younger man" and "a term for an age disparity in sexual relationships in which the older partner takes care of the younger, generally sexually"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa

No trace of sexual meanings anywhere.

>>120401346
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phaJXp_zMYM

check fuckin mate

>>120401237

>You're in the minority.

Maybe I am. But then, who cares? A guy named Keiichi would be in the minority in an English speaking country, should we subtitle his name to Kevin? Who do you think you are fooling? "Papa" is well understood in English even if it is a minority term, and (as I demonstrate in my last post), it is even better understood than "Daddy" which has obfuscating sexual connotations.

And its rich to call me the pervert when you are defending putting the word "daddy" into little kids mouths when they are clearly saying papa. Its just gross. What the hell are you afraid of?

>>120401346
>actually citing urbandictionary
Yeah, fuck off, mate.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa
If you actually bothered to look in the proper article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_and_papa), nowhere does it mention as "papa" being an acceptable English word.

Papa is not English.

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>And its rich to call me the pervert when you are defending putting the word "daddy" into little kids mouths when they are clearly saying papa. Its just gross
you for real right now?

>>120396621
isn't it pedophilia because it's real girls in his case?

>>120401397

>Poppa

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poppa

Once again the #1 definition is related to fatherhood even as it makes reference to the song. Everyone knows what Papa means.

Of course according to retard-tier anime subbers (and their defenders) this song is from "Continental Europe" or is "archaic" or some other crap.

>>120398970
小児愛者 (shouniaisha)

>>120401445
>"Daddy" which has obfuscating sexual connotations.
What? How much fucking porn do you watch? Do you think the pizza delivery occupation has sexual connotations too?

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>fucking a 16 year old girl is considered pedophilia in America
why this this place so ass backwards?

>>120401652
California is not the entirety of the US (regardless of what Hollywood would have you believe).

>>120401565
I know you're just rustling jimmies but just for the sake of fun

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=papa%2C+daddy&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cpapa%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cdaddy%3B%2Cc0

"Papa" been on a decline since 1870

>>120401485

Uh no, because that article does not bother listing what words Papa is acceptable in.

Papa is an acceptable word in English by virtue of it being an English word you idiotic retard.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poppa
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/papa

ENGLISH. Boom. As if it even NEEDED to be said. And don't dare try to say "it says old-fashioned" because it says "familiar OR old-fashioned". And yes, "Papa" is a familiar term. It has connotations of closeness and love, much like a childs innocent love for their father.

And speaking of which you idiot person, since when does the ENGLISH wiki include terms for father from NON-ENGLISH languages? There's no English wiki page for "Otosan" because Otosan is not English. There's an English page for Papa because its fucking English you idiot. Your stupidity is stunning. Why am I even talking to these "Daddy defenders". Go back to jerking off to little anime kids and fantasizing that they are saying 'Daddy' instead.

>>120401731
new york is very strict about it too

>>120401741
You can see "daddy" increase faster in 1972. This is because the porn industry took off with the new technologies at the time.
Face you all are perverts and you want our nation's children to use your filthy words.

>>120401760
>since when does the ENGLISH wiki include terms for father from NON-ENGLISH languages
Since forever, when it's relevant somehow.

>http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/papa
>old-fashioned term of address to one’s father.
So yeah, if you enjoy your anime's sounding like they came from the 18th century, go right ahead.

>>120401651

Son, Urban dictionary and Wikipedia both agree that Daddy has sexual connotations. Urban dictionary even puts those sexual connotations before the fatherly ones. If you walk up to a man in public and call him daddy, people will think you are a pervert long before they think you are using a childish term of affection and love.

>>120401741

Who gives a shit. Seriously. I don't care if its "been on decline". The name "Agnes" has been on decline too, but if I saw a character named "Agnes" in a show does that mean I should change her name to "Amanda" in totally superfluous subtitles? No. That would be stupid. That would be full-retard almost as retard as the anime subber subbing "Papa" to "Daddy".

Papa is perfectly understandable English, now and always. The connotations are pure and beautiful. English terms that are less common are still very much English and it makes no sense to replace them with repulsive but more common terms. (Even assuming that anyone can call their fathers daddy without gagging).

>>120401939
Does daddy really sound that sexual to you?

>>120401875
>Since forever, when it's relevant somehow.

Find me 10 wikipedia pages on non-English terms. Not loan words, but bona-fide terms we would not use in English. Ideally father terms, like Otosan.

>So yeah, if you enjoy your anime's sounding like they came from the 18th century, go right ahead.

...............................................................................................Familiar. It says "FAMILIAR or old-fashioned". I even warned you about that to begin with. I said, "don't say it says old-fashioned, because it says familiar OR old-fashioned".


>>120401865

This. The porno connotations are undeniable. Its so so gross. Especially when listeners can hear the audio clearly saying "PAPA". A subtitler doesn't need to put down anything at all. The subber can just leave the "Papa" alone and let listeners marvel at a truly universal expression of a child's love for her father. We don't need subs. Nobody does. People know what that means because that is how children express their love for their father. Just like the term "Mama" for mothers.

But nope. They put down "Daddy" like they are spitting in our face. Like "heh I bet this little kid is sooo boning her dad lol". Just get that out of my face. Fuck the 70s and fuck the term "Daddy". Gross.

>>120401939
So, when are you starting your own 18th century fansub group?

I'd watch anime that was subbed in old-fashioned english.

I think you're onto something here.

>>120402106
>Not loan words
You mean like "papa." Because that's a straight up loan word from French. And it's one that's not even used that much anymore.

>>120402106
Sorry bro you're just a pedophile. You think a little girl calling her father daddy is sexual because you see little girls sexually.

>>120396621
To us there's a distinction between lolicon(2d) and Pedophile(3d). Its a bit different to the Japanese, is it not? So to match the context they changed it to pedophile.

If he were talking in terms of anime and manga I would agree with you.

>>120397268
>the correct term is ephebophiles
No one cares but pedophiles like you

>>120402106
Holy shit, tumblr go away. You fucking SJW freaks trying to make "daddy" a sexually charged word is pathetic. Funny how "Mommy" isn't getting the same treatment as Daddy.

Who the fuck cares about urbandictionary anyway? It's used by white trash, niggers and spics. If that is where you get your definitions, I feel bad for you.

>>120402071

Of course it does. Because it is. Like the dictionary (urban and real) and wikipedia both own up to it. Its just gross. Its not necessary or needed why insert it when they are already using a well-understood term?

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>>120399254
Every incarnation of these girls turns me on.

>>120398937
>manga's entire hook is "loli succubus that literally needs to drink semen to survive"
>never in the entire manga actually drinks semen

Fuck you Japan, fuck you.

>>120396621
it's accurate because IN THEIR UNIVERSE he likes little girls on the same dimension as him. If he likes little girls show on the TV OF THEIR UNIVERSE then he's a lolicon. get rekt

>>120402434
you need help, you should go see a psychiatrist.
I also recommend staying away from tumblr, it makes mental illnesses worse.

>>120402616
Yeah lol.
In that universe the weebs on 4chan spend all day saying 2DPD and how 1D is best.

>>120402562
You're stupid.

Have the last chapters been translated yet?

>>120401865
>>120402106
Lol I just made up the porn explanation dude.
You're fucking nuts.

>>120398886
You never read Lolita, did you. Hint: the sexy and promiscuous part was pretty much entirely his delusion and invented excuse. The guy in the novel was a textbook pedo.

>>120402674
how does a 1D littlegirl even look like?

>>120402674
>>120402707
stop

>>120402677
I guess I am stupid for expecting something to actually happen in a loli harem manga.

>>120402174

Yes, Papa is a loan word, I am glad you admit it. Like much of English it is a word which is from somewhere else (in this case Latin) but which fits in with universal language development of children.

Idiots ITT are under the impression that it is non-English.

>>120402108

Never. Papa is not old fashioned at all and if you think it is well I guess Japanese kids are all old fashioned you idiot. When are you going to start subbing out their "uncommon" names?

>>120402417

Mommy is not a gross porno term that is why.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mommy

Once again, motherhood connotations are #1. Sexualized meanings I could not see til #32. And its downvoted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mommy_%28disambiguation%29

Lists no sexual connotations like it does with daddy. Is "Mama" by far a superior choice just based on its universal loving tone and simplicity? Yes. Would I be annoyed if a subber changed "Mama" to "Mommy" since it would be unnecessary and be a ugly choice? Yes. Would I be grossed out and want to go throw up? No, because there is no sexual meanings there. If a subber does that the subber is just a retard (like 90% of anime subbers), not a disgusting pervert.

Urban dictionary talks about English how its used by most people, since apparently that is of supreme importance to the "Daddy defenders". "Daddy" has been on the rise since the 70s alright, but for all the wrong reasons as we can see by urban dictionary. These sexual meanings are entrenched in the term, going back to the book 'Daddy Long Legs" in 1914 and possibly far earlier.

Fuck me, papa

>character says kimi
>subs say you
Fucking SERIOUSLY? Overlocalization is the cancer killing anime.

Well, technically speaking, lolicon is just the japanese word for pedophile, albeit gendered toward the female side. The translation is as good as it can be for viewers who have no idea what "lolicon" means.

Youjo doesn't translate to loli, fuck you Daiz.

>>120402785
Yes, you are. Did you forget the rules Ishithara put in place?

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I watch shit in MPCHC, but my online friend keeps telling me that there's nothing wrong to use up the free trial on CR if the other alternative is watching HS.
What do you think?

>>120402864

You should watch some of the KDrama subbers on viki they are really good at making things understandable.

They would put something like: "Pedophile (geared toward girls)". Simple and easy. They also leave in terms of affection in Korean culture without obnoxious clumsy attempts at translating them. Anime subbers could learn a thing or five from them.

>>120402890
If you're talking about the loli laws, there are plenty of loopholes.

>>120402794
>Japanese kids are all old fashioned
Japanese kids are speaking Japanese where it's perfectly common for them to call their father "papa."

Keeping "mama" in the subs is equally retarded since "mama" is also nowhere near as common in English as "mommy"

They should use dad instead of daddy or papa.

>>120402677
Nope, the group that's doing it is still slow as fuck they release a chapter about every 6 months.

>>120403000

.....again by your logic, we should sub out "Sakura" for "Sarah" because that is "nowhere near as common in English as Sarah".

Its fucking retarded. The point of subtitles is not to mangle out and destroy all character and culture and beauty within language and trying to make everything sound like its happening in Middle America with the most """"""common"""""" words from Middle America. The point is to make the characters understood, so we know what they are saying so we can follow the story.

And Mama is 100% understood. It doesn't even have any "old-fashioned" in its wiktionary entry.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mama

Its just a term you use for your mother. A childish and affectionate term.

You have to be an anime subber. There is no one on earth this retarded. By your logic, even English novels need someone like you to sub out all variances in language with more "common" equivalents. Retard. But if you don't defend "daddy" at least you aren't a pedo retard, so you have that going for you.

>>120402983
How not to translate professionally.

>character says anime
>subs say cartoon
COMMIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Reversing name order
>Sub in characters name who wasn't introduced yet when they referred to as "Senpai/Onee-chan/Nii-chan".

>>120403256
>character says manga
>subs says comic

>character says comic
>subs says comic

>>120402794
Japanese kids use "papa" because it's a trendy foreign word. Only small children and spoilt rich kids use it anyway because it is the modern equivalent of "Daddy". Them moving onto Otou-san/Oyaji is the equivalent of a white kid moving on to calling their father "Dad'. Get out of the house and talk to some white kids if you think only porn stars use "Daddy" you degenerate. Also fuck you I used Daddy back in the day.

>>120403245

Viki are professionals though. Unlike 99% of anime fansubbers.

They just don't think their viewers are stupid. They aren't afraid to use parentheses to capture deeper meanings for the viewers (like letting their viewers know if a character is speaking in a dialect or formally if its relevant to the story). They aren't afraid of the characters being Korean and using Korean terms like Oppa rather than trying to squeeze in some non-existent English equivalent which sounds clumsy.

I've been watching KDramas with my middle aged mother, neither of us are Korean or have Korean background, and its been immensely enjoyable when compared to the mess that is Anime subbers. They just do a better job of conveying the story.

>>120403379
You can never win against commie.

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>>120402735
Here.

>>120403256
"Anime" in English means "Japanese cartoon".

"Anime" in Japanese means "cartoon".

Same for manga & comics. Anime & manga mean slightly different things in the two languages, and it's perfectly legitimate to reflect this in the translation.

>>120403431
Illegal in Britain.

>>120403533
Poor Uk fags.

>>120403294
Reversing name order for western languages is standard Japanese practice. Informed foreigners may use Japanese order for any number of reasons, but there's no obligation to do so.

>>120403401
>my middle aged mother
should be middle aged mama

>>120403526

"Papa" in English means "A childish affectionate term for father, possibly a bit old-fashioned but not really".

"Papa" in Japanese means " a childish and affectionate term for father".

"Daddy" in English means "a childish term for father or an older man who takes care of his younger lover in a sexual manner".

Anime subbers cannot reflect for shit.

>>120403431
lewd.

>>120401939
>Urban dictionary and Wikipedia
7/10
Smirked

>>120403431
>500x967x1
that's 2d

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>load up firefox, go to /a/
>first two posts

>>120403759
I had to project the 1D loli into 2D space so 4chan would let me upload it.

>>120403663
>"Daddy" in English means "a childish term for father or an older man who takes care of his younger lover in a sexual manner".
Where on earth do you live that the word daddy has such a connotation? Is this another one of your zany American jokes?

>>120403815
>still responding to bait that isn't even particularly entertaining
Just go to bed.

>>120403643

I meant to quote a guy, but it's mainly for when a character says [Last First] but then they sub it as [First Last]. It's even worst when they pull this shit in manga because how the fuck am I suppose to know which part of their name is first or last? Are they on first name terms?

>>120403815

....are you new?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daddy (see "other uses")
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=daddy (see definition 1)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/daddy (see definition 2)

>>120402864
No it isn't. Japs have two words for pedophile. Lolicon can be used to mean the same thing but it also has other connotations.

>>120398639
I think of him as my pedophile daddy.

>>120402735
Does not exist.

You can isolate a single dimension, but without at least one additional dimension you can not create a space to attribute any characteristics to.

You know what I really fucking hate? When a word has an honorific attached to it, and the word is translated but the honorific is left in. Class Rep-chan for example.

>>120403947

Anime translators think their viewers are stupid. KDrama subbers have so much more respect for their viewers ability to understand "these people are Korean". I never see them try to Americanize the name order.

>>120403961
I'm saying that such connotation isn't the default usage.

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Why are loli's so cute.

>>120403947
I think they were attempting to reduce this confusion by making it standard. In everyday situations a Japanese name will often have Western order in written form even if they're also saying it in Japanese order.
In practice I don't really think this works, for the reason you describe. They should have just done like China and mostly left it in Chinese order for everybody. People end up having to guess based on whether they think one name sounds more like a surname.

>>120404002

This makes sense to me. Better than trying to translate both (I have never seen an English translation of -chan that wasn't stupid as hell), or failing to translate "class rep".

>>120404002
I think that leaving the honorific is the right thing to do, because it tell us about the relationship between the characters

>>120403995
What are you saying? I see no reason you couldn't have 1D little girls.

wait, what's the difference between a lolicon and a pedophile?

>>120404016
Not good enough for me. I can't bother with the culture of some fucking foreign country (which may or may not exist).
Commie subbing KDrama when?

>>120404125
> [Underwater] Laughing_Daiz (BD 1080p 10bit) [0ABE52F8].mkv

>>120404023

I didn't say it was, I said it was a childish term for father OR an older man who takes care of his younger lover in a sexual manner. Which is true.

\

>>120404159
ロリコン can refer to attraction to 2D and/or 3D girls. ペドフィリア is purely referring to attraction to real girls.

>>120404159
lolicon isn't frustrated because he gets off to legal drawings.

>>120404094
You don't actually need the -chan at all in that situation. It's just ritual noise that communicates no real information beyond 'they aren't using unusually respectful or derogatory language', which you can convey in English by also not using such language.

>>120404094
>>120404125
I understand why they do it but Jesus Christ it's so fucking jarring.

>>120398918
>Small Child Love Person
I love how literal the kanji they use are

>>120404179

If you hate foreign culture do you realize that 'Murrica actually makes cartoons too? And TV shows? Why you watch Japanese or Korean shows and then try desperately to imagine that they must be Americans?

>>120404235
You've got a strange way of expressing that then, you closet pedo.

>>120404215
Thanks for the second subtitle track, Daiz-sama.

>>120404243
No it's not ritual noise fucktard. It implies several things like the relationship of the two people and the personality of the person using it.

>>120404236
so lolicons are pretty much pedos then? since they get off to small girls

>>120404236
>2d characters can't be pedophiles
kek

Guyst post yfw ShizuoxNamie gets fucking confirmed.

>>120404323
Filtered

>>120404243

You don't NEED anything, but you should leave it in, it conveys, you know, what the character is actually known as. Same as any other term of address.

Retard fansubbers be like "Lil' Class Rep".

>>120404339
>no face because that will never happen

>>120404323
Lolicon can be pedophiles but not all are.

>>120404326
Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to prepubescent children NOT to prepubescent fictional characters.

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>>120404243
Someone's getting upset about animes.

>>120404313
>relationships
The point is that that information is not needed in English because it's easy to make implicit in the rest of the text. You only need to draw attention to that sort of thing when the point of the original usage is to subvert understood meaning, and then you calibrate your translated words accordingly.
How do you think Japanese handles translating all those superfluous pronouns English is always using? You think they leave them in because they tell you untranslatable things about the grammar of the sentence?
>>120404386
This is an acceptable reason. Honorifics as flavor language are fine if you're consistent about them, especially in situations where the story at some point turns on changing usage for whatever reason, though it is sometimes possible to write around this as well. It's not like the translator's job is to actually make foreign characters non-foreign.

>>120404277
I only watch カートゥーン subbed by Asian-based fansubbing groups to level the playing field of my viewing experiences across different countries media.

>>120404678
>because it's easy to make implicit in the rest of the text.
If it was really so easy then everyone would do it.

>>120404407
for a fictional character, another fictional character is as real as you are to me, therefore a fictional character having sexual attraction to prepubescent fictional children is the same as you having sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
In short, every anime lolicon is a pedophile. Lolicon and pedophile are synonyms.

>>120404753
If everyone did it there would be threads like this complaining about everyone.

>>120404783
You are misreading my post as I was never talking about anime characters.

>>120404243
>It's just ritual noise that communicates no real information beyond 'they aren't using unusually respectful or derogatory language'
What? Isn't referring to someone as Class Rep-chan more unusual than with no honorific at all?

>>120404753
Admittedly lots of people aren't great at writing clear dialogue, but a lot of weebs also refuse to acknowledge that interpersonal relations are expressed differently in languages where politeness is communicated more through noun and verb choice than grammar particles.

>>120404843
Maybe because it doesn't work

>>120404783
>for a fictional character, another fictional character is as real as you are to me
Not if they're a character from fiction within the fiction, you fucking dunce.

>>120404851
If you mean literally 'Class Rep-chan' and not the original Japanese, then yes that would be pretty weird. But there's nothing unusual about a female class rep getting a -chan from her peers. That doesn't tell you anything noteworthy about the speaker or their relationship. If they were -kun or -sama or -dono or something silly like that, you'd have to either leave it in and assume your readers know the differences or make sure the word choice reflected the attitude.

Lolicon is the new Anime.

Lolicon in Japan means pedophilia.
Anime in Japan means cartoon.


Lolicon outside Japan means attraction towards 2D.
Anime outside Japan means animation from Japan.

In japan, they don't distinguish 2d/3d nor western/japanese cartoon.

>Translate moe as cute
>Be confused as to why the word cute be related to an otaku

>>120404990
When saying class rep-chan I mean when they're referring her specifically by the title, not by name.

For instance in the example provided by >>120404002. It's actually very unusual to use the honorific -chan in this case.

I'd translate lolicon with pedo and shouniaisha with pedophile. Lolicon is not the word that would be read in a newspaper. The difference between the two is like the difference between the word gay and the word homosexual.

>>120405288
Oh that. Well, what special information do you think that conveys that can't be expressed in word choice from the person giving her a superfluous title? There are instances where that kind of thing is just done to be playful or cute, but that's hardly impossible to convey through other means.

So what's wrong with "What, are you all into little girls?"

>>120404155
Not him, but you can't have any attributes (like "little girl"for example) in 1D. 1D means you can have a line with some lenght and nothing else.

>>120405494
>not being the little line

>>120405224
Otaku are cute.
Easy.

I've always taken 'lolicon' to mean an intense form of adoration, but it does make sense to also use paedophile, too. The way I see it, a lolicon is a thing that derives quite a bit of emotional comfort or a positive feeling from pre-teenage persons. It sounds pretty suspicious when it's worded this way, but if you think of it as a similar expression to what we show kittens, puppies, and actual (non-fictional) children, you'll get what I mean. It does, however, become messy when eroticism entres the picture.

When the presentation of that of a pre-teenage person begins to feature visual cues that are typically reserved for those who are in post-puberty, there's this sort of tension between the feeling of adoration that we would typically have and that of what we're supposed to be aroused by. In this respect, I'm tempted to go the way of traps to call it a sort of perspectival distortion: the visual cues say fap, while the other cues are there for our inclination to nurture or adore. Because of that, it's not really clear whether to use paedophile or to call it a 'mistake' from the different parts of the brain.

I suppose I'll leave it at this. A fixation, endorsement, or comfort from young children does not constitute paedophile; a strong sexual preference or pretext constitutes paedophile.

Anyone have any other thoughts?

>>120396621
pedo- youth/child
phile- lover

loli- child
con- lover

>>120405560
You should just go to prison already you filthy pedo.

>>120405377
It's entirely based on situation. It can show a close or informal relationship, or it can be creepy otaku referring to other people by archetype. Language isn't binary, subbers wouldn't fuck up honorifics on every possible occasion if it were.

>>120405612
Anonymous- unable to stop
No.120405612- sucking on cocks

>>120405612
Not really. Loli is short for Lolita, and con is short for complex. On the other hand, 小児性愛者.
小 - little
児 - child
性愛 - sexual love
者 - -er(the suffix)

>>120405612

So if I call someone a loli, I'm also calling her a pedo?

>>120405758
what's the difference between 子 and 児?

>>120405758
loli - lolita - child (leniently, youth)
con - "complex" - lover/appreciator
lolicon - child/youth lover/appreciator

>>120405687

I always wondered what the hell is up with age system and discrimination on prison, sex, drinking, marriage etc.

Is this some kind of illuminatee bullshit? Or just some successful shilling?

>>120405717
I certainly agree that subbers are often shit. If they aren't going to write to capture that meaning, they should leave it alone.

>>120405870
cockcon

>>120405822
pedo- is a prefix meaning youth or child
the colloquialism "pedo" is a back-clipping/truncation of the word "pedophile"

?Between the age limit of nine and fourteen there occurs maidens who, to certain bewitched travelers, twice or many times older than they, reveal their true nature which is not human but loli (that is demonaic); and these chosen creatures I propose to designate as "lolis."

>>120405910
you're learning! you get a gold star

>>120405936

That's the terrible joke.

>>120405973
sorry, im a complete autist

>>120405854
http://okwave.jp/qa/q4432157.html

If you can't read Japanese, then they say 子 is meant to be understand as "child" from the parent-child point of view, even technically unrelated to age, since everyone has or had parents, right? And 児 is meant to be understood as "child" from the young age point of view.

Btw this is a pretty pointless thread.

>>120405886
If by leave it alone you mean leaving in honorifics, I agree.

It baffles me how people can complain about loanwords in a language that utilizes loanwords extremely freely.

>>120405854
子 refers to children in relation to their parents. It has the connotation of a child. Whereas 児 has the connotation of a biologically young thing.

>>120405854
Different connotations. 児 is essentially "juvenile" and is applied to very young animals as well; 子 can mean "child" or a zodiac sign. The two characters also have completely different pronunciations in original Chinese.

>>120405965
Humbert pls go.

>>120396897
>HS
>sun group
I hate them too but newfags like you should fuck off or lurk more before posting.

>>120406321
>hate HS

But where will you get your English undertexts for your Chinese cartoons without HS?

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>>120406321

>>120406162
Humbert does as Humbert pleases.

>>120406381

Learn moon and never have to deal with retarded shit ever again and be able to access any Japanese media. You also get the added bonus of laughing at the plebs.

>>120396621
>character says Hai
>subs say yes
>character says keikaku
>subs say plan
>character says something in japanese
>subs are in english
Really?

>>120398209
your average horriblesubs user.

>>120406429
I already did that. Did you? My post was mostly meant as mockery of you.

>>120406464
>you say anime
>not cartoon
>speaks english
>uses not english words
>not even japs use your funny word
Really?

>character says something in japanese
>subs say something in english

Really?

>>120406498
"anime" is not used in English the same way it is in Japanese. It might have originated from there but now it's an English word for chinise cartoons.

>uses not english words
En route to tell you you're a cratin.

>>120406494

I was a different anon responding to you.

I'm learning moon though. Being able to access all the untranslated manga with dropped translations one day is going to be great.

>>120406600
*cretin

>>120406600
>complains about loanwords
>uses french english

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>>120406671
I think you have me confused with someone else. I was explaining to someone that they are retarded to think that loanwords can't be part of English

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Think of a dirtier word than daddy.

Protip: You Can't

>>120406858
cunny bunny

>>120406858
Rubbish, slime, sludge, sewage, you.

>>120406714
So you're saying that >>120406464 is retarded?

>>120401098
Should have been crystal pepsi.

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>>120406920
Lolicon is not a loanword. It doesn't exist in English.

>>120400908
>>120401009
It's called "pop" you disgusting faggots.

>>120406858

Daisuki

>>120406897
Fuck off to /TV/

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>>120406978
You mean like anime, manga, or literally any loanword at first?

>>120407004
I only answered his question, uncle.

>>120407019
Oh you mean all those words that didn't already have an english word for them?

Also they entered the language trough everyday use, not by being put in subtitles before they are even widespread

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>>120407074
>anime
>manga
>didn't already have an english word for them

>lolicon
>not in everyday use

>>120407074
You know, sombrero in Spanish only means hat, while in English it has a specific meaning of a certain type of Mexicain hat. I fail to see how this is any different with manga or anime.

>>120407107
They didn't. They are subcategories of things that already have words, so you can get them by combining an adjective and a noun, but they didn't already have existing equivalents.

>lolicon in everyday use
So do you ever communicate outside /a/?

>Singer says Blow up louder
>Subs say Roar out louder

Seriously?

>>120407143
It isn't. Then what do you want to use lolicon for?

It's not pedophilia because loli proportions are nothing like that of a real life child. Hips as wide or wider than the shoulders, that ain't a childs body. Lolis are basically midgets.

>>120407199
I was responding to >>120407074.
> all those words that didn't already have an english word for them?

>>120407230
And that has what to do with the fact that "lolicon" in Japanese is used in the same context as pedophilia in English?

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>>120407154
>They are subcategories of things that already have words, so you can get them by combining an adjective and a noun, but they didn't already have existing equivalents.
So what you're saying is they're exactly the same as "lolicon".

>So do you ever communicate outside /a/?
Do you? Lolicon sees everyday use in literally every anime community on the internet.

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>watching my american anime

>>120407260
Same way liking petite women makes you a pedophile in Australia.

>>120407235
I saw that, and I still don't see your point. The japanese "anime" which means cartoon was loaned to mean "japanese cartoon" and that's how it had new meaning that is actually useful because it's not already covered by something else

>>120407261
>So what you're saying is they're exactly the same as "lolicon".
Wait, how do you want to use "lolicon" in english?

>>120407292
How do you want to use "anime" and "manga"?

>>120407291
>liking women who look like children makes you a pedophile
More news at 11

>>120407292
Then why are you disagreeing with me if you're agreeing with me?

>>120407316
They are currently used for "japanese cartoons" and "japanese comics" respectively. Well, that's pretty rough, go check the anidb definition for more precise
>>120407323
I didn't disagree. I began my post with "it is"

>>120407260
the thread has already derailed a fair bit from that

>>120407359
It seems the issue here is that you want "anime" and "manga" to refer specifically to subcategories of cartoons, yet for no explainable reason you think "lolicon" must refer directly to pedophilia rather than a subcategory of pedophilia.

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>>120407318
#checkmate #checkyourprivilege #checkmyadultdiaper

>>120407424
So do tell me what subcategory you want "lolicon" to refer to

>>120407433
Fuck off /v/.

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>>120407448
YOU TELL HIM, SISTER

"dick" in japanese means "big penis", because in every american video where that word is used, the penis is really big.

>>120407448
>defending moralfags
What happened to you, anon?