Fuck, don't remind me. At least, it seems that if it's stated in somewhere that the minor-looking person is actually over 18, it's safe, so we can still import Shinobu doujins and some others... >>120248905 Everything under 18. And if it's not stated, then they'll suppose it's under 18.
>>120248869 I don't see how. If rape rates grow, they'll use it to show that not even forbidding it is enough. If they lower (as they usually do as time goes by), then they'll use it to show that they were right in doing so. It's also kinda bad that no one is talking about this, because from what I can gather, most people would be against forbidding drawings for moral reasons. >>120249044 Well, I'm not completely sure, but I guess. I mean, Aki Sora doesn't show any genitals or anything, right? But I don't think that makes it safe either. >>120249073 I hope you're right, although it would suck for those two guys. >>120249084 No, because it wont affect Japan whatsoever.
>>120249126 Well, this goes far and beyond the pedo bullshit. Spain is officially shit. And anyway a crime should be considered everything that damage people or things. Drawings and text cannot do any of that.
>>120249144 >implying people faping over drawings of little girls AREN'T pedophiles >gets butthurt ver being called pedophile and treated as such by the government >his answer is "why don't they go after teh pedophiles? Oh, irony
>>120249179 >Even if I was, doesn't change the fact that all south americans are subhuman apes that shouldn't be allowed to be on the internet or leave their shithole of a continent. >Says spain, the result of constant muslim rape and the shit of Europe That's hilarious.
>Says spain, the result of constant muslim rape and the shit of Europe
Yeah well, that may be true, but if Spain is shit (which it is, because not being a subhuman ape makes me able to be objective about my country and not think it's the best thing ever while being a shithole), you're the result of a shit Spain took 500 years ago, so it's not really helping your argument. >>120249232
Pedophilia is not the same as Pederasty anon, educate yourself, there's nothing wrong with drawn pedophilia. Pederasts are the ones who actually had sexual intercourse with kids, those should be arrested.
>>120249144 You're right. It happen often. Someone say "ban things that X, cause no one like it". And people go all "fuck yeah, only looser like this" but don't see all the implications, and the loose of freedom, and the tightening of the censor in their media. It starts with "lets ban pedos" and it ends "people was so happy we banned pedos we will do better and ban everything we (governement and shit) don't like".
>>120249174 It was 13, but, until 18 years (legal adult), it had a clause that the age difference couldn't be greater than some years (exact number not relevant here), meant for not sending to jail teenaged couples or young couples with a just few years of difference (two 14-olds could bang like rabbits, or you could be a 20-old with a 16-old GF without worry), and for cops still being able to go after middle-aged predators hitting on 13-old girls, you know. All in all it was quite a logical law.
That for "consent age".
As for working on a porn, nope, that required to be a legal adult (18 or more).
>>120249355 Well, the far right party, that rules the country with absolute majority, is doing anything they want and no one can stop them. Meanwhile they also pay the bail for their friends that stole millions, probably with stolen money.
Just because you're not on a Spanish place doesn't give you you the right to spout lies and try to convinze people of your shitty propaganda.
Government on Spain is shit, but don't believe this retard, it's not that bad, people are just butthurt that they spent too much money on shit and now the country is broke so we look for someone to take the blame.
>>120249291 Rather, only pedophiles can masturbate over drawn kids. It's the proof you are, not what turned you into one.
You remind me of those "good Republicans" who said "sucking a little cock won't make me gay". DIfference being, there's nothing wrong with being gay. As oppossed to being, you know, Republican. It's just an example of the same logical fallacy.
I suppose some of the caliphate raping rubbed off, the Muslims defaced all the statues of gods through India and what is now Pakistan and their descendants in Spain are doing the same to this day with loli.
>>120249510 Because no one is talking about it. The new penal code has a lot of shit in it, and some of it is worth making a coup d'état over it. If you check the news, you'll see them discussing some other major issues, or talking about Barcenas. >>120249545 >Just because you're not on a Spanish place Try to guess again. Also, the country is broke, and it's going worse at each passing year. Things are not getting better for almost anyone. And this is clearly not the people's fault (except because they voted PP just to punish PSOE without thinking of the consequences).
>>120249557 >Rather, only pedophiles can masturbate over drawn kids. It's the proof you are, not what turned you into one. >Implying you haven't masturbated to a 3dpd grill of the same grade back in your elementary and junior high days
>>120249355 The new Penal Code that was just aproved (but still needs Senate ratification) includes that depictions of minors having sex, even if those are drawings, will be considered CP.
The new code also includes other nice things such Nonviolent resistance or passice resistance will be also a crime as well as sharing links to download copyrighted material or having your console modified.
>>120249678 But that guy was an actual pedo, and asked for girls to work with him through the internet, the loli material was used as evidence, was not the crime itself, the crime was to ask for real girls go work for him
>>120249756 You're stupid, aren't you? I don't move millions of € each day. I can't generate employment or money in any way. The laws are making it easier to fire people (someone please explain me how this helps raising employment instead of decrreasing it), and people get less and less money as time goes by. So explain to me how we could reactivate economy without any money to spend on things. Oh, and I must start looking for that money you say I'm stealing, because I don't know where it may be. >>120249781 Now this is something that I really expect to backfire on them.
Surprisingly it's still legal in Germany. They recently amended the law to prohibit posing and dubious stuff like uploading nude images of children to image sharing sites but it only applies to real and realistic (wirklichkeitsnah) stuff.
>>120249904 >Now this is something that I really expect to backfire on them. It already backfired, Google closed their news portal service for spain, they said the fuck are they going to pay just for giving link to newspaper pages.
You know why the reinforce the firing laws? because 10 years ago we had people feigning "depression" and stuff to be at home while getting paid, that created the need for stronger firing laws so those lazy fucks can be fired at will, so that's another one that's our fault.
And people, don't misunderstand me, I'm not from the right or like PP or anything, I think this goverment sucks as much as you do, but I'm not stupid enough to let propaganda convince me that I've done nothing wrong and we're just ruled by thieves, because, that being true, they're thieves just because society itself allows them to be.
I don't know how old you're and if you eve worked, but somehow I think I'm older than you, and trust me, people at their job and in their lives, when they have an economy, try to save as much as possible ilegaly, avoiding taxes, getting paid unoficially, etc.
Have you ever had a bussiness going? do you know how hard is to hire competent people? do you know how much it fucks you up to hire someone who is a retard and then you can't fire them or you have to pay them a shit load of money?
Yes, big companies abuse this law, but the law is necessary on the first place because we're uneducated fucks and finding decent people for a job is a pain in the ass.
Leave your home, stop watching TV or whatever and form your own opinion. You'll see that things aren't always white or black, and no one's in the right here.
>>120249934 Well, that's what happens with most laws of this kind. >>120250010 Yeah, but they knew that when they chose to pass that law. What I mean is that newspapers' webs get significantly less clicks.
Are you mentally disabled? the law is against explicit sexual content, can't we stop with the "A CHILD APPEARS THIS ONCE NUDE IN A NON SEXUAL WAY ON A 600 CHAPTERS SHOW NOT ABOUT CHILDS, WILL IT GET BANNED THEN?"
>>120250055 >feigning "depression" So we need to make the diagnosis procedure better so these people can't feign in front of a doctor. Why does that make me, that go every day to work and do as much as I can, easier and cheaper to fire? >Have you ever had a bussiness going? No, but I can see how most are closing around me. It doesn't have anything to do with people being incompetent in their work, but with clients not having money to spend anymore. And new business? A joke with banks not giving any credit to anyone even though they still have millions in profits each month. >it fucks you up to hire someone who is a retard and then you can't fire them There's a difference between firing someone that doesn't do his/her job (failing to comply to the contract), and someone that does. It's the second one that became cheaper. Absurdly cheaper. Anyway, what I'm talking about here, is that the situation we're in is not even Spain's fault in the first place. There was a global economic crisis that was born in the private sector, and the governments decided to buy private debt in order to save the banks. Those banks that still profited in the millions, and gave black cards to politicians. Now, the country is bankrupt, but not a single € of those we're missing was actually spend on people.
>>120249892 >I don't have the slightest idea about Spanish politic >>120249487 here The TL:DR of it is, that Anon is parrotting the words of Mariano (Rajoy), current President of Government of Spain. Hence the "Mariano, pls".
Also, what (the real) Mariano says (and Anon parrots) is nonsense: he accuses the former government (leftist) of being the direct responsibles of the whole world-wide economical crisis that struck Spain in 2007 -one that every economist can tell you was gestated at the other side of the Pond (not the place nor time to discuss it in detail, google "ninja crisis" if you wish - just the name already makes it worthy!). Now, NOBODY (not even leftists) says the previous government did it well, but saying THEY were the responsibles of the worldwide crisis is giving them just a wee bit too much credit. So, again, "Mariano, pls".
TL;DR: not even Spanish sensible conservatives would agree with that Anon.
He didn't say anything about leftist being responsible of anything tho, you just made up that part, in fact he said.
>And people, don't misunderstand me, I'm not from the right or like PP or anything, I think this goverment sucks as much as you do, but I'm not stupid enough to let propaganda convince me that I've done nothing wrong and we're just ruled by thieves, because, that being true, they're thieves just because society itself allows them to be.
And anon, you don't have to convince me of anything, you won't, but you really sound like a retard and the other guy doesn't
Still cheering for him, also your way of writing reminds me of reddit.
>>120250770 It's funny how you've been unable to do anything but praise that other guy and insult anyone that talks against him. You remind me of Mariano when he was in the opposing party... no, wait, he's still doing the same.
>>120250106 >Are you mentally disabled? the law is against explicit sexual content, can't we stop...
Now you'll tell me that the part of the law that says "any comment that could someway induce other people to perform terrorism acts directly or INDERICTLY" is stupid too?
If you think the ambiguous redaction of laws is not a problem...I guess I can't say anything to convince you otherwise.
And BTW, the text of the laws talks also about genitalia in its own paragraph. So Dragon Ball could fir in there even if is an image on a 600 chapter series. That's the problem with ambiguous redactions.
You're clinging to that "mariano, please" thing when I think Rajoy should be fucking executed and his a subhuman piece of trash.
You guys all resort to the same, when someone doesn't agree with you you just call them fascists and call it a day, because, like everyone know, people in the left are ALWAYS RIGHT and have the ABSOLUTE TRUTH, so everyone that doesn't agree is obviously stupid.
The only point I'm trying to make here is that we're also at fault, 10 years ago the goverment also stole like madmans but we didn't care because we were ok, now that we're in need of money we suddenly care a lot about corruption and shit.
Let me tell you something, Aznar was shit, Zapatero was shit and Rajoy is the shittiest, there's no good guy in this, much less Pablo Iglesias (My money is on you'll vote him).
I hope in the future you'll realize how naive you were, because, not only left, but aligning with a political ideology and following it without questioning it is a thing only ignorants do, doesn't matter if you're from the right or the left.
No I'm actually not praising him, it's just that you're so retarded that it makes me want to praise him, just because of how stupid you look, not because of him, couldn't give less shits about what he's saying, it's just that he's behaving like a normal human being and not like an autist redditor.
Also I'm not insulting anyone who's against him, learn to read and don't try to be a victim, I'm just insulting you, he's having a normal conversationg with other guys without any problem, it's just you.
>>120250998 >people in the left are ALWAYS RIGHT This made me laugh. >10 years ago the goverment also stole like madmans but we didn't care because we were ok, now that we're in need of money we suddenly care a lot about corruption and shit. This is something I can completely agree with. People is stupid, and did a lot of stupid shit. They should have cared about corruption back in the day, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't care right now. The fact that they care right now is good, even if it's only because they have no money. Also, more and more serious cases are coming to light right now than back then, so it's to be expected for awareness to increase. >but I gotta make lunch, if you're around later I'll respond you. I should do that too, but sure, I'll be here (if the thread is, of course).
Luckily in the U.S., normalfags don't really care and the scientific method pull some weight
"Despite these social constraints, many men find young, sexually developing adolescent girls attractive and may respond to them as a gestalt “female” rather than two separate stimuli components involving age and gender (Blanchard et al., 2012). Lykins et al. (2010), for example, found that plethysmographic measures of arousal indicated that men who reported themselves to be attracted to adult women evidenced some degree of erotic arousal while viewing images of pubescent females they were told were aged between 11 and 13 years. This arousal was less than for adults, but greater than that associated with pre-pubescent girls, men, and neutral stimuli. This attraction should not be surprising and evolutionary theory suggests that it may be, at least in part, biologically determined (Kendrick & Keefe, 1992; Thornhill & Gangestad, 1996)."
>>120251444 "These data suggest that both explicit ratings of attractiveness and the process by which such ratings are made are influenced by sociocultural or legal normative influences. Apparently, younger age girls, labeled as below the age of sexual consent, were rated less attractive than apparently older girls and much less attractive than women. In addition, when they were rated as highly attractive, these decisions took longer to make than decisions rating them as relatively unattractive. Together, these data suggest a conflict between the actual perceptions of attractiveness and those that could be legitimately expressed. Thus, there appears to be a conflict between evolutionary processes that drive attraction towards sexually developed girls and societal pressures against explicit behaviors expressing this attraction. Men may not engage in sexual relationships with girls, not because they do not find them attractive, but (at least in part) because they are conforming to strong internalized societal and legal norms.The core findings of the present study (longer reaction times and lower attractiveness ratings attributed to sexually developed girls) were found in both studies reported here. They therefore must be considered robust and meaningful."
--Archives of Sexual Behavior. Feb2014, Vol. 43 Issue 2, p267-271. 5p. O'Donnell, Muireann Lowe, Rob Brotherton, Hannah Davies, Hannah Panou, Anna Bennett, Paul
What we lack most is education, and we vote for the one who sells himself better, then we regret and whine, then we do it with the next, rinse and repeat. If we had proper education, we could learn not to get tricked by the first smartass who comes and says what the people want to hear so we'll have better goverment.
It all starts from the bottom anon, whining and complaining will never make us improve.
>>120251380 Because there's the undeniable fact that there's some pedophiles that are atracted to 3D kids that use 2D lolis to release some steam, so they must generalize and think everyone that likes 2D lolis is like that (as if that was such a bad thing in the first place). People love generalizing.
>>120251380 Anime and things around it are still a huge social stigma and only perverts and losers watch it (unless SnK, which is hip & cool) When some fag who doesn't know how things work here sees a bunch loli threads he is "ohmigosh a child! I bet they hunt children at night.
>>120251610 >the worriying about the effect that 2D could have in 3D is exactly why all these law are being sanctioned. Nah, it's all just propaganda. If there was some worrying, there would be some studies and investigations. The few that were done show that these laws do more harm than good too.
>the worriying about the votes from certain colectives and parties worried about the effect that 2D could have in 3D (or everything remotely related with sexuality and violence in works of fiction) is exactly why all these law are being sanctioned.
>>120249487 It's like that in a lot of places. In the part of burgerland I'm in, it's something like 14-18 isn't statutory rape if the age difference is <2-4 years (don't remember the exact details, since they aren't really relevant to me anymore).
Well, duh, congratulations Cpt. Obvious! They needed a study to confirm that until a century ago "She's bleeding each month/He can get it up? Old enough!" was the norm about everywhere, and only modern society changed that?
>>120252099 Obviously. The point is that there's now leverage for the lolilobby. Sexual Behavior is a good journal and they do their peer review well; people can't just throw this kind of research to the side, it's profound.
>>120248680 There's still a chance, if Pablemos wins there's a chance they'll take down the whole penal code change >>120251380 Isn't that the whole point of this thread? Retards thinking 2D has something to do with 3D
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