It all comes tumbling down.
The new fluffy girl is almost as cute as this miracle of the universe.
Heard you talking shit.
>Anon's face when
She's so adorable.
I like this guy more and more every episode
I wonder what his real life equivalent, Mizushima Seiji, who directed Fullmetal Alchemist (as referenced in Shirobako) as well as Eva episode 9 (also referenced in Shirobako), among other things, thinks about all this.
>episode delivered 10 minutes before airing
How the fuck?
When do we get more focus on the coloring process? We saw a little bit today but it was mostly a "make it less saturated" kind of deal. I want them to go from the beginning of the process to the end. Don't a lot of people work on coloring too? I want to see what their work conditions are like.
So guys, funny story, apparently the author didn't like character designs you guys made. Now, I know I said that you could go ahead, but funny story, we need you to stop production and redo them if you want to continue this show.
How can this show keep being so good so consistently? There have been absolutely zero drops in quality in any aspect of the show and I watch it as soon as I get home from work every single thursday. No melodrama shit, characters act mostly professional with just the right amount of whimsy so that you get attached to them, and the direction is absolutely inspired sometimes.
The show is literally training its audience on how to pick out flaws in anime (what rushed key frames, bad inbetweens, crappy CG, etc. look like). Of course they're going to be on their best behavior.
I thought it was a nice touch that they put in that little scene of her spilling the tea.
It's pretty obvious that the stress of her job is getting worse, and that they're going somewhere with this.
She's going to quit and find a new job before the end of the series, isn't she?
Sorry but funny story, it's the authors orders. Thanks for being understanding. Now funny story, I actually scheduled another meeting right now so I'll get back to when those redos are done. Thanks bye.
He'll save Musashino animation.
That's true, but it could very easily have been very bland. Instead they're perfectly juggling the conflict of the studio with several character arcs at the same time, and also like I said before the direction is stupidly good at certain points. Pic related, little shit like this really grabs people's attention.
Why is Tarou suddenly so terrified of Yano?
Oi-chan is gonna lose it soon, I can't wait.
her keikaku is going to be doori soon
>a wild semen demon appears
Glasses was kinda cute on how she didn't understand jack shit about everything. Also I can't decide the new fluffy hair animator girl is cute or annoying.
Also, is it summer in the Shirobako universe? Will next episode Aoi and co wear short sleeves(I notice Aoi was wearing one in when Yano called) or even sleeveless? (like Midori in the preview) Oh God my dick will never be ready.
A miracle of the USSR.
I wish to understand the language of fluster as well.
Here are the best girls all in one scene
How was she even hired?
Nostalgia. Best bad guys, best modern geopolitical times.
She doesn't spend much time outdoors?
I'm pretty sure she's like that ALL the time, because even talking to Ema the most she could get out was "Director... sleeve... bug..." Which is not a sentence. Not even trying to be a sentence.
I want to observe the awkwardness in the room first hand.
How is Diesel so perfect?
I enjoyed how she became the Director's left hand woman so quickly while working part-time. Give her a year and she'll have the whole place around her little fingers.
Reminder that being a VA requires many sacrifices.
Diesel does whatever the fuck she wants
You sleep with one of the guys that's going to be in the meeting deciding casting, so that he'll stubbornly push you as 'the only acceptable choice'.
Usually there's a dude with seniority who basically makes all the decisions. Fuck him and you;re gold.
I think the show has one big flaw:
CG girl. She shouldn't have left a job after only working there six months and shouldn't have found a job again so easily. That's unrealistic in the extreme especially when the show prides itself on showing a grounded account of the industry.
It sticks out really badly.
I don't think it's completely unrealistic as you make it sound. The fact that she found a job again so easily is more to the unrealistic side, even though she did have a connection, but the fact that she left her job after working there for 6 months is quite realistic if you know exactly what you want to do. It just takes guts to do.
Nepotism isn't the word I would use in that situation. It has the connotation that the person hired does not have the appropriate qualifications for the job.
Diesel-chan is good at what she does. The writer and the director were both happy with the work and they insisted on bringing her on-board. Would Diesel-chan have gotten the opportunity to do research without her connections to Oi-chan? No, but that's why it's called connections, and not network. It's how the world works, you don't make professional and personal connections, you don't get shit.
Getting it with connections I can buy, but they didn't even bring up the fact she'd quit a job after half a year at a good company. There was no job interview or anything.
I just can't believe you'd throw away a good job like that in this economy when you're new to the industry and need a good track record on your CV. And it's not like she was overworked, couldn't they have possible done something with doing something she loves more as a part-time thing?
I don't know but it really really stands out as a stupid choice for a show like this.
I think you overestimate the difficulty it is to get a job in animation over there. It typically is 'if you can do it, then you can do it' sort of deal, just that your wages are shit starting because you are not experienced. She got a job at a good company too, so it isn't hard to believe she'd get in a group that appears to be a very small staff.
>couldn't they have possible done something with doing something she loves more as a part-time thing?
doing something you hate just to survive isn't any way to live OP. it's the reality for most people, but there's no denying, it's a shitty way to live.
Misa was really brave to gamble like that and pursue her passion. Shows you can't get anywhere in life without having direction and guts to follow it.
right i remember that now. she was the one who didn't like commuting. i thought her remark about ghilbi was to show that she didn't really have any interest in anime outside of the mainstream. how do people like that get hired?
Because the companies need production assistants badly, as it's a stressful job which probably has a ton of turnover. If they can find someone who looks to be competent they will hire them. Besides, they hired the otaku girl too. I'm trying to remember the other people interviewed...
Basically, they need people to do the work and they try to hire competent people. Being an otaku can be a bonus for the company (certainly otaku fit into the culture better), but they'd rather have someone who does the work well than, well, Tarou.
How can one show make so many Best girls?
Like holy shit every girl is just great
Not even the main girls but everyone they introduce
The characters dont even feel too far fetched, as artsy people like fluffy-chan are usually autistic
Show of the year
My heart everytime
That fucking sound director translating the director.
that one wasn't mine but this one is
I was surprised they hired her as well. But more-so because of the commuting vs. her having no anime knowledge.
She was basically only quitting her old job/applying for this because she hated the commute.
It gave the impression she'd instantly quit this production assistant job as well if something even closer to her home came up.
Why is Christmas Cake Ghibli so delicious? How old is she? Late 20s? Early 30s?
I think he meant that commuting itself isn't bad for her, but how long the commute was. The person he was replying to was referring to the long commute so it was just a misunderstanding.
What the fuck did I just
Seiji Mizushima may look like the director in Shirobako but his affect is completely different. Seiichi Kinoshita has this butterball-deer-in-the-headlights look, but Mizushima always seems to be a beaming, self-confident Buddha. He's had some huge successes and even some of his badly selling titles (Oh Edo Rocket) are actually really good. My guess is, he's flattered.
Any .webms of these stooges?
Man, I regret dropping this show now. I forgot how much I love PA Works. Well I'll have fun catching back up tomorrow.
A couple questions
-What's the deal with the pirate hallucination those girls had at the diner?
-What's the deal with the producer's therapist? What does he do? Why don't they just fire Big Guy and make him the producer?
-Any big changes between cour 1 and cour 2 besides a new anime?
I think she's probably an analogue of some of the creepy autistic fucks who do animation for the cute girls.
She shows how pathetic they are, whilst not insulting otaku who give them money.
There is a loud thump after the director lets go of disel-san's hand
1: It's a short anime they all made together in school and are they're planning on making it a full show somewhere down the line.
3: A load of new characters and best girls and they've all become more competent at their jobs, except maybe for Tarou. Yano is still MIA.
The guy who came in to fix his show for him
Having had an hour plus commute before, I will say that a 2 hour commute is a perfectly good reason to quit a job. It's soul sucking and terrible. Long hours is a separate issue.
>Gothloli-sama has lines
How does she compare to Yurika?
i agree. but the point of her bringing it up in her interview was to show how unqualified she was. i mean if your an interviewer and you ask your applicant what they like about your company and they only manage to answer 'you're close to where i live', then that would be pretty good reason to toss their application there and then. on the other hand musani hired the likes of tarou, so those rejects getting hired shouldn't come as a shock really
Best girl right there. I fucking knew she would be the first time I saw her.
>not wanting fluid animation
It used to be the main reason I started watching anime. But then my standards got lower as time went on. Also, it's been a while since I've seen a sakuga thread. The last one I saw one was when Yozakura Quartet was airing.
>Why are you guys sitting in the back?
He actually seemed to be a decent job of teaching them during that bit. I gained a bit of respect for him, but it doesn't make up for the arc where his inability to communicate got them in shit.
>Why do I always get stuck with the batshit crazy ones?
>Wasn't Oi-chan enough?
>dat Diesel-chan during preview
I know I have to prepare a defib for next week.
But they won't, anon. Things will never be okay for Zuka-chan.
I was rewatching an old episode and this scene is just funny to me now. "Oh, look at little Zuka-chan, pretending she's a voice actress. How cute!"
See this, next course of action?
Funny story, Zuka might be getting the role of Catherine thanks to the delays. She lost to these two, and I can totally see neither of them being available in the end.
jesus. they must have been at least 2-3 months into production at that point. how fucked up is that? fucking useless manga-ka. musani really should have pushed harder to get 100% OK from the author himself before moving onto the next milestone of their project
They were so excited when she got a random voice over work for a TV show too
Sometimes kindness is the worst form of bullying.
How does the author has anything to say at this point. Is he paying for making the anime from his own pocket? Don't they also have any contracts that say he or his editor agreed on character designs?
>musani really should have pushed harder to get 100% OK from the author himself
Funny story actually, they DID seek approval from the mangaka('s agents) at every possible point.
Ghibli is a normalfag in her late 20s, it would be weirder if she was a virgin.
Her nape is great. I finally get that fetish now
Watch the OP. It pretty obviously hints at it.
the agent was a disinterested, slimeball. they should have insisted on a face-to-face. and as >>120247696 pointed out require contractual binding agreement at each major milestone
Maybe she should have followed her own advice.
What do you expect them to do, hire a PI to hunt down the author and kidnap him or something? It's not as if they weren't already on a schedule tighter than what they would have liked.
Did they hire Ema to draw the LN illustrations?
everyone answers to somebody. and when it comes to $$$ (man-hours) and reputation, somebody ends up paying the price of failure. it's unrealistic that they would NEVER be granted face-to-face with the author. the fact they would need to twist somebody's arm, more realistic, but still musani dropped the ball by not pushing the matter.
God I love the ed
Those process + catchy song
really gets me
And how much "arm-twisting" do you think Musani needs to do before the publisher thinks GI Staff may be more "cooperative" and actually getting production work done instead of bugging them day in and day out? You speak as though Musani has made zero reasonable effort to ensure that they were meeting the author's intentions.
Ema is the cutest.
3, director, Satou and Tsubaki said so.
I bet Zuka was so jealous of the other four getting to work together that she fucked the author so he'd reject the character designs.
What are 'contracts'? You don't undertake a year long project without first getting certain guarantees in writing. They weren't a position where the project sponsor could all of a sudden change contractors on a whim. Besides which, entering into an agreement like this requires good faith from both sides. The publisher as the project sponsor would have been responsible for ensuring Musani had all the resources at their disposal to ensure the project moved ahead: that includes the power to prod the author to work with Musani when needed.
>ou speak as though Musani has made zero reasonable effort to ensure that they were meeting the author's intentions.
that's just it. they made ZERO effort. they took zero initiative, and simply trusted the slimey agents words at face value. they were obviously having trouble getting face-to-face time with the author. a phone call to the big-wigs at the publisher (who have a clear stake in the anime's success/failure) is all it would have taken to make that happen.
They were speaking with the agent, who is meant to act as a representative. They had no way of knowing that the author wasn't getting the information, although we as the audience could see it getting set up to go that way.
I don't understand why you're being autistic about this.
that much is obvious. and look where it got them. they should have pushed harder to avoid this very situation.
>hurr ur autistic
hey i'm not the one who's failing to understand a basic argument.
>IB4 hurrr 'they didn't know' as a retort
Going outside the established lines of communication could potentially get them a reputation for being difficult to work with. They're not exactly a company with a reputation that will allow them to pick and choose clients. They're in a position where they need to both put out good quality work, and bend over backwards for their clients to get more opportunities to put out good quality work.
Actually, animators are selected by several tests consisting of making animations out of various scenarios. They are given a piece of paper with a drawing on it and they have to animate it as instructed with a limited amount of paper.
milestones require sign-off. you don't move to phase 2 of a project without knowing your client is satisfied with the deliverables of phase 1. it's in everyone's best interest. musani should have either pushed the agent to either cough up the author or to sign off on phase 1 in his stead. you had better fucking believe the agent would have coughed up the author if he was pressed.
Where is my hero, Sugie-San?
>Draws horses in the last minute without breaking a sweat
>goth loli gets Bbown the fuck out
Of course, I don't hate goth loli, it's just that the old guy is a veteran. He's to classy.
I think you overestimate their position. Seems like their options were to sit on their hands refusing to work beyond demanding to see the author or to just start production and hope that what just happened doesn't.
They were approved to begin work by their designated line of communication to both the client company and the author.
It's pretty clear that this whole arc is about dealing with unreasonable clients, in the same way that the first arc was about internal complications.
Is she autistic? Looks like autism to me.
She was a decently strong candidate for the part in the meeting.
I don't really think it qualifies as an asspull if that's how she gets the part, the first casting choice being unavailable to take the part for whatever reason is a pretty common way that inexperienced actors land their first major part. I'd prefer it if she wasn't the immediate second choice either, but if the first choice were to get sick and the second choice had already committed to another project that's a perfectly realistic way for her to get the role.
Some of them are, but it's more that they're completely socially inappropriate. The ones who are shy are mostly trying to cope with their inability to read the rules of normal social interaction, rather than being driven by massive anxiety.
Also she's an animator and autistic spectrum people are generally not very creative.
She's so beautiful it hurts
It's always been that color?
I don't know. This doesn't seem like the kind of show to have natural pink/orange/whatever hair, but the alternative is Ema, Aoi, Erika, and a shitload of other people dying their hair.
Highlight-chan obviously did though, either way.
>dying her hair
This is something unrealistic in the anime actually, as in reality in Japan dying hair in bright colors is unacceptable in the corporate setting. Not that I'm complaining though.
>dying hair in bright colors is unacceptable in the corporate setting
I think it's unrealistic to expect small animations companies to all have the strict corporate culture you're describing. In general smaller companies and creative companies both tend to have less strict corporate cultures. Not to mention that the president of the company is portrayed as being particularly laid back.
in the first cour we saw all the "beginner level" stuff and now that Aoi is at the production desk we see all the big-guy talk and whatnot, there's not really anywhere we could go from here other than maybe grand-scale industry politics with big shots playing mahjong
For the employees who just work in the office, that'd be fine, but for the people who regularly face clients it wouldn't be. Of course the anime isn't real life though, so this is a meaningless topic.