Let's discuss even more of this most subtle of subtle Ikuhara shows you guys.
Waifu Slaughter: Yuri Bears Edition
Shit for those with shit taste. Enjoy your suffering.
Reminder that she is the enforcer of the silent masses. Bringing justice upon evil. A hero.
It is supposed to represent her thoughts. She is nervous and doesn't have the balls to kill Mitsuko, but in the end she finds it inside of her. Not too different from most climatic fights in these shows.
>"Give yourself to the bears and you love will be approved".
I guess somehow for some reason Kureha needs to get eaten by Ginko and Lulu in order for her love to grow stronger.
The other bears are instead getting in the way of her love somehow.
I was a bit disappointed with just so seemingly and narrowly obvious it's seemed to have become with this episode, actually. I mean, there's little imagination left for the "Invisible Storm," now, it seems.
Is the the Invisible Storm just the student body-led process of ostracization for the time being?
Yeah , i'm getting really tired of this show's shit. You don't have to do extensive plot exposition, but this show makes no fucking sense. I mean , stuff like this >>120078888
can be understood but pretty much everything else is a dumb surreal mess. I was waiting to see if i could understand it but i think i'm finally realizing that there's nothing to understand, the show is just bad.
Kureha's classroom is the only one that matters.
Kureha is the only one who matters. (Anyone not her, or Ginko or Lulu, are likely to get Kuma Shocked and offed.)
We never saw the classrooms that Utena wasn't in herself, right?
Seems like it is a form of organized ostracization and bullying.
In episode1 someone decapitated all the lilies and it was said it was the work of the "invisible storm". I suppose it's called "invisible" because the hostile actions are not done openly but behind the back of the victims.
Yes, one is to assume everybody in class knew what the invisible storm was and that Kureha and Sumika were very well aware they were being ostracized and at the risk of becoming officially excluded in an Exclusion Ritual or whatever the fuck that was called.
It's really not that hard to understand.
Yuri Kuma Arashi (ユリ熊嵐, "Yuri Bear Storm") is an allegory for the plight faced by homosexuals in contemporary Japanese society. Despite a kind and loving composure, society still doesn't believe homosexual love is "real", consequently the girl's love constantly needs to be tested.
The Invisible Storm refers to being ostracized by the group.
The phantasmagorical fantasy sequences are symbolic of how fantasy is always great than reality, and how the romance Kureha felt for Sumika will always be more limpid and sonorous in her mind, where it will now forever remain. It is true that the people concerned in anime are not what we would call 'real people.' But none of the feelings which the joys or misfortunes of a 'real' person awaken in us can be awakened except through a mental picture of those joys or misfortunes; and the ingenuity of the first writer or director lay in his understanding that, as the picture was the one essential element in the complicated structure of our emotions, so that simplification of it which consisted in the suppression, pure and simple, of 'real' people would be a decided improvement.
>it's just a show that expresses many of its themes using symbols instead of explicit narrative
There's no reason to act as if using symbols is a bad thing. It sounds like you're just angry because you expected something incredibly deep and got a show with simple themes.
Maybe not necessarily-- they could have vague notions of it, by happening to not have been around for repeated instances of the "voting," or maybe they fear something even more sinister and less transparent is at work.
I mean, surely there's more to the Invisible Storm than just student-body-led ostracization right?
(Geez, this show's been wearing its thematic points so heavily on its sleeves.)
>The story is fucking confusing, fuck this show!!!
>The story is too easy to understand, fuck this show!
Being an anime director is suffering...
Well it's obviously something about yuri. Is it so simple that the theme is be true to your desires? Are some girls bears and others not, showing that you are predestined to your fate of being an open or closet lesbian? Are men actually lesbians (that guy made me laugh)? The overall idea of the theme might be simple, but until the show is over these multiple interpretations can all exist.
THOS LEGS. They look so ready to step on people.
Good points! Though you lost-
>But none of the feelings which the joys or misfortunes of a 'real' person awaken in us can be awakened except through a mental picture of those joys or misfortunes; and the ingenuity of the first writer or director lay in his understanding that, as the picture was the one essential element in the complicated structure of our emotions, so that simplification of it which consisted in the suppression, pure and simple, of 'real' people would be a decided improvement.
… me a bit with the point in that extra long sentence. Maybe more than a bit.
>Is it so simple that the theme is be true to your desires?
Desires is a complicated word. Depending on how you interpret it, the ones who are true to their desires are flesh eating bears.
That could be a funeral for virginity and the parts not eaten of Akae could have been stuff she wore like her headband
They could go either way.
Maybe bears are just people that have been eaten? In other words non-virgins? That seems to go against the initial story of magic space rock but perhaps bears are people that have had sex. Because perverts are condemned and monstrosized and yuri love is often seen in Japan as a pure and sexless love at times which enables those in the school to remain humans and non-bears
I'll have to rewatch the episodes though as I've already forgotten stuff.
Only the tomboy left. Then the Killer-Three and the three judges are left.
I don't think you need to interpret it that hard- you pretty much hit it. Another part of it may be whether you indiscriminately desire others or only go for one person.
Then there's the weird part where bears must eat to survive, but won't necessarily eat indiscriminately. Is the Invisible Storm to protect them against bears, or is it designed to make an easy target for the bears? What if everyone decides to be invisible- will the hidden bears force someone out? There's still a lot to think about.
However, they stick together and get eaten, at least since Ginko and Lulu transferred in.
Hopefully the deaths amongst themselves will cause panic and intrigue and split them apart.
>He thinks Student Prez is dead
>HE ACTUALLY THINKS STUDENT PREZ IS DEAD
is the fanbase of this show so dumb that they can't see that the president didn't fucking die?
>thinking they'd kill off a star like Y.Aoi after 3 episodes
Might the Invisible Storm try to exclude people based on something else, though, or other things? Maybe not (just) homophobia? Though it seems fairly obvious, they've not made deliberate mention of what they're excluding Sumika *for*, or how she's so much *different* (and therefore "evil") that she needs to be excluded for it.
He means that even if a you feel real love or hate or something towards a person or thing, you don't need a real person or thing to trigger that love or hate, a mere picture, or simplification is enough, and that's where the ingenuity of the creator of a piece of art lies.
It doesn't show butterfly-chan either. I guess she dies irrelevant and off screen too.
They already killed off top class senyuu in first episode anon.
It's saying that when you see somebody and feel any emotion, those emotions are awakened solely through the mental picture your brain is constructing of them.
Because of that, those same emotions can be awakened through constructing the mental picture by any means, you don't need a real person in front of you to do it. If an artists or a writer or whatever does it, it's exactly the same in terms of what your brain is experiencing than if you're seeing a real person in front of you.
It was only her arm that was hit, right? Combine that with no death confirmed onscreen and it seems that she's survived
to rape another day
>Then there's the weird part where bears must eat to survive, but won't necessarily eat indiscriminately.
It's impossible to completely repress sexual desire without expecting any sort of consequence, but people are repressing their sexual impulses every day in every corner. It's a part of being in a civilized society.
The thing I notice is that when Sumika and Kureha talk about their relationship they always use the word "好き" "suki". Which can mean "love" but it can also be used as "love" in a purely friendly sense.
They don't use the word "愛" "ai", love in a clearly romantic sense. or "恋" "koi", love in a more sexual sense.
Are they saying "delicious meal" and not "delicious smell"
They haven't really done anything to smell Kureha yet, they just want to eat her so meal would make more sense.
Pretty sure this a bout to become a corpse?
Ginko is definitely saying "delicious smell".
Bears have a very developed sense of smell, they were able to smell every single girl in the classroom simply from their position when they were introduced.
Kureha represents persistence in the face of great adversity. Because Kureha will "never give up on love", he ass represents doubt and turning her ass around represents her slaying her own doubt. It is then that love guides her bullet (hints the title, Yuri Love Bullet), and strikes all those that oppose her love.
That isn't Sumika, and here is why: Mitsuko would've recognized who they were eating here. She knows Sumika very well and knew she was missing. She would've known her instantly. She didn't. It will turn out that was some nameless, faceless member of the Invisible Storm.
I think it's interesting that the bears were nice to kureha yet they went and ate the other girls right after.
I wonder if it's supposed to be an aesop about punishing wrongdoers or something.
Better question is what does the student-body being behind the Invisible Storm have to do with the men from the Wall of Severence asking the bears if they want to be Invisible?
What happens if the bears choose to be invisible?
If the bears choose to be invisible, they accept that they will never be allowed to openly express their homosexuality and instead choose to live a life without ridicule and sacrifice, but without love.
There is no reason to think it's definitely so. And even if it is another corpse it could be anyone's corpse. The point that we have never seen for certain Sumika's corpse still stands
Actually, her arm band seemed like it was bloodied. Kureha's wouldn't be that good/bad to get such a clean shot and just knock off the headband.*
well, that seemed to work out for Utena and the roses she knocked off with her sword but even so.
Wrong. Akae was eaten by then and at least one more, when they where discovered by Mitsuko.
Okay so basically
The school is a safe place for delicate young girls to be "friends", but if you cross that line you get eaten by Bears. However the Bears only go after people who are alone, and the student body chooses who to ostracize. This means they're essentially pushing people into being eaten by Bears.
What this actually means is that anyone who tries to be gay is isolated and forced out, socially excluded and ignored by the conservative culture. I guess you could extrapolate this to argue that nobody's actually been killed by Bears, they're just being ignored by everyone and left the school to go have wild lesbian sex at bars or forced to transfer by their parents or something else.
>It is then that love guides her bullet (hints the title, Yuri Love Bullet), and strikes all those that oppose her love.
Sounded like it could be straight out of a Mahou Shoujo.
To be honest I wouldn't put too much emphasis on their choice here.
Suki is very much your standard way of making your affections known regardless of it being an exclamation of philia, sorge or eros.
Especially early on in a relationship, going all aishiteru on your partner would feel rather overbearing and artificial.
Although I'm not sure how long those two had been dating at this point. Teenagers throwing around ai and koi would still feel like Romeo and Juliet levels of foolishness and impulsiveness. If they want to showcase Kureha's love as the real deal and not just a phase it feels more natural not to go overboard with the wording here.
So can we all agree that the two bears seen in episode 1 were Mitsuko and Konomi?
At the very least one of them must be Mitsuko, since those are Sumika's glasses and Mitsuko has them in Ep3
Score is back to even. They both don't deserve the Kureha.
This all sounds very pretty but doesn't really make any of the (what looks like) symbolism in the show consistent or clear or even appropriate, not in your explanation on its own anyhow.
Some folks will rage over it being obscure regardless but the point is that despite that overarching theme of conformity, denial and sexual "deviance", the more important metaphors and symbols are still pretty vague so far, frustratingly so sometimes. Kind of like your explanation.
Holy shit, I just noticed this. HachiOuji and Tekina//Something produced the ED? I knew I liked this song for a good reason.
So piecing everything together.
>Mitsuko has a preference for girls that are not "invisible". To her they taste a lot better.
>Mitsuko finds out that Kureha and Sumika are in a forbidden relationship, they are not invisible! Suddenly she feel the urge to eat them.
>The invisible storm happens, someone decapitates all the lilies that Sumika and Kureha were growing. We know that Mitsuko wants the invisible storm to happen. She might have sent someone to do the dirty job, or maybe she did it herself.
>Mitsuko uses that chance to befriend Sumika and Kureha, she shows herself as someone that understand them and support them, while in reality she is probably the one behind the invisible storm.
>Mitsuko eats Sumika. As she later said, she enjoyed her meal very much, however it seems that she is looking mostly forward to eat Kureha. Kureha must really be a very delicious treat for bears. Most likely Mitsuko wants Kureha to offer herself to her.
>Now that Sumika is taken off of the picture Mitsuko proceeds with her plan to ensnare Kureha in her web even more.
>With the help of Konomi she stages a bear assault against Kureha. Kureha faints and then Mitsuko brings them to the infirmary.
>Mitsuko realizes that there are two other bears feasting in her territory and she isn't pleased. The two bears are also evidently after the same delicious treat she is after (Kureha) so she tries to drive them away with a gun.
>Mitsuko in order to make Kureha fall for her even more doesn't stop in front of anything and mercilessly kills Konomi while she was assaulting Kureha out of Jealousy. Mitsuko thinks of nothing of friendship, Konomi served her better by dying by her hands at that point.
>Mitsuko wants to weaken Kureha even more and she makes it so she gets selected during the exclusion ceremony. The real "invisible storm" happens. Now Mitsuko is officially ostracized.
>Mitsuko finally decides it's time to reveal her true colors to Kureha and openly attacks her.
The honey is her emotions flowing over, they're feeding on them which, in turn, calmed her down enough to shoot. People have been saying that they feed on emotions since day one.
I was going to say that her socks were wrong type to be the victim but now that I rewatched the first episode I noticed that we never see her socs. I guess it really was her.
It would be a massive waste of talent and a missed opportunity if predatory lesbian Aoi Yuuki dies early on.
If the spiral leaves do not depict the invisible storm, what else could they be?
What do you mean by body shot? If you mean a shot of her as a corpse, nope. We have never really seen any identifiable corpse.
If you mean a shot where her full body is visible, see picture, although it's very small.
I was about to comment on that. In a couple of shots it's like her socks were purposely and conveniently covered to throw us off.
So the invisible storm isn't just to be completely homophobic because they're going too far over the line, but some kind of misguided attempt to keep everyone at their school from standing out so as to not attract bears?
Here's another one. Also this one >>120083595
Meant a shot where you can see her whole body close up, socks included.
It seems such a shot/angle was avoided as seen in >>120083705 >>120083602
However, from your pick it seems like she wears low or ankle socks.
>If they want to showcase Kureha's love as the real deal and not just a phase it feels more natural not to go overboard with the wording here.
>overboard with the wording here.
Dunno, I think there have been enough repeated "skis" to fill a ski resort
A resort prone to wild bear attacks, naturally.
So far the only character who is listed and/or credited on the main site who hasn't made her debut is Kaoru. To put things into perspective, Eriko (side-tail), Katyusha and butterfly-chan aren't even listed, but Konomi is.
It is overflowing, how should it be put into a chart?
>However, from your pick it seems like she wears low or ankle socks.
Yep, and that is consistent with what we have seen of Ginko and Lulu's victim.
>mourning death of her friend causes Kureha to stand out and be marked as evil.
Good lord. Guess even "true" friendships, and ones not necessarily(!?) romantic, can't thrive at this school.
A school of corpses it is.
I have no clue what's going on in this show. It's like Ikuhara is just throwing shit together this time. Why is there a trial every episode? What are the two bears transforming into (during the transforming sequence)?
Kaoru does defy the girl at the head of the class by standing out when the virtue of not standing out is preached, after all.
Maybe Kaoru will defy the stereotype.
Or maybe not. Ikuni won't let non-yurifags have a waifu to call their own.
We all know you probably watched Utena and/or Penguindrum in a few sittings, but you might have forgotten that there weren't a lot of concrete answers in those 3 episodes in either, or even 1/4 of the way in. If it's going to bother you that much, stop watching and marathon it when it's over and then you can just have everyone else who was able to follow it spoonfeed you what you missed.
This show has really lost me in this episode.
Student Prez says she killed Sakura. She even had proof.
Problem is, she walked in into Ginko and Lulu eating someone behind the flowerbed. Also, we had almost certainty that that corpse was Sumika because she had the same socks.
Also, what does eating Tsubaki have to do about Ginko's love? And what's the point of the trial?
It's really quite simple, anon. Yuri Kuma is (trying) to show that the self-interested and self-sufficient individual remains the ideal, in which the centering of rational choice and a capacity of transcendence both occludes group-based harms of systemic oppression and conceals the complicity of individuals in the perpetuation of systemic injustices.
Pretty sure everyone on /a/ watched Utena in a few sittings since it came out, you know back in the 90s. As for Pingudrum, I watched that while it was airing with /a/, and it was a lot more coherent than YKA is so far. I'm liking YKA so far, but honestly it doesn't make sense (yet at least)
Really, faggot? Can you not read the thread? Your exact questions are answered in multiple posts and screenshots.
>Also, what does eating Tsubaki have to do about Ginko's love?
Probably has something to do with her wearing her mother's necklace and "I won't forgive those that destroy love"
Butterfly and Katyusha don't have Yuri in their name, but pretty much every single girl has some flower name. Even after this episode only those with yuri in their name have been bears.
The court scenes are really fucking confusing me now. I thought I understood at first but now they make no sense to me. Why is it always Ginko and Lulu that appear and none of the other bears? It's like the same trial every time regardless of the situation or whether they're even around Kureha or not at the time it happens. Is the trial actually for Kureha and she's like secretly into Ginko and Lulu or something? I really don't follow why it's not changing up any ever.
A fourth of the way into Penguindrum, we had no clue what seizon senryaku was about, what the penguindrum was, why the sister survived with a hat, who the red haired bitch with her own penguin was, why it was all about helping that one chick bang her sister's exboyfriend. There were pretty much about the same amount of unanswered questions at this point in Penguindrum as there are now in YKA, and I'm probably even forgetting some.
I don't know how 大木 is pronounced, I'm going to guess Ooki. 蝶子 is pronounced Chouko. So Ooki Chouko. Alternatives include
Anyway, no yuri.
So Shabadadu = Shibireru, right?
Ikuhara loves to self-insert as a cool adult man who is pulling all the strings.
The trial has something to do with Kureha's love. The big mystery is trying to understand what is the special connection between Kureha, Lulu and Ginko.
So far Lulu and Ginko don't seem to have done anything hostile towards either Kureha nor Sumika. Their only confirmed victims are Katyusha and side-tail.
>A fourth of the way into Penguindrum, we had no clue what seizon senryaku was about, what the penguindrum was
People guessed that the penguindrum was the apple that she pulled out in episode/the brothers' shared destiny. And while we didn't know exactly what seizon senryaku was, we could ascertain that she was taking something from Kanba and it was a method for the Princess to communicate with the brothers.
>who the red haired bitch with her own penguin was
We knew that she was some former relation of Kanba, and that's not the same as not knowing what's going on with this show. You could ascertain after the first episode what the brothers' end game was that the PotC was trying to use the brothers to change destiny. Characters had a clear motivation and the over arching plot of both Utena and Penguindrum was clear from the beginning. With this one, I don't get the bears motivation. The only one that has any clear motivation so far is Kureha, but even hers is muddled so far.
There's nothing to understand.
It's the kind of shit anime that people are going to make up bullshit explanations to explain otherwise bad storylines and fool themselves into thinking how deep it is.
>It's not confirmed
They explicitly say they ate her, and the class prez explicitly says she ate glasses, what do you mean it's not confirmed?
The only other possibility is that that corpse is of some other never mentioned victim that happens to also have short socks.
But yeah, Occam's razor dictates that that's Katyusha.
We also have never seen Katyusha alive after ep1.
She said that you need to become part of the group first, then you can join the ritual and storm. Also, there was a Location sign that said "Invisible Storm" during the meeting. The Storm likely refers both to the group and the actions of it.
Ginko has been shown to be associated with Kureha's mother, and the mention of "friend" without any specific name points clearly to a twist where Sumika wasn't the friend from Kureha's past. The story is about the two of them (plus Lulu), with themes of bullying and sexuality on the side.
Why does Kureha's line here feel like something I'd see out of an R-18 doujinshi, especially in the context of the first two episodes' lily-licking scenes' apparent metaphors for forced cunnilingus? It feels like a line of thinking not far removed from "No, really, it wasn't rape because she started enjoying it"
>Lulu and Ginko don't seem to have done anything hostile towards either Kureha nor Sumika.
Can't at least the first two transformation+yuri-tastic sequences be construed to be rapey? Heck, even the latest one still has its nonconsensual elements, though it seems to have started sliding into a more 'consensual' arena.
The girl from Kureha's class who is mentioned in episode 2 to have disappeared is Katyusha.
I thought it was the invisible girl who was eaten by Mitsuko at first, but it can't be. There's no girl missing from their class. Whoever Mitsuko ate, it was a girl from some other class. We're being mislead all of the fucking time here.
Notice that Katyusha is missing in the episode 1 picture because she's out retrieving the REMOVE KUMA banners, but she must have sat besides Ginko and Ruru, making her a strong candidate for being the first to stir up their appetite.
BTW if someone didn't know already this person name's here since it's "ユリーカ" and not the Japanese "ゆりか" suggests it's actually a transliteration of "Eureka".
For comparison check the katakana of the movie Eureka:
>Can't at least the first two transformation+yuri-tastic sequences be construed to be rapey?
Depends on how "real" you want to consider those scenes. This isn't as Murakami as MPD was, doesn't have the same "you should feel guilty as fuck about imaginary sex" strings attached.
>mfw the courtroom scene every episode
At least zettai unmei mokushiroku and rock over japan were exciting and pretty hype to watch no matter how repetitive they got. The judges are just annoying and it feels shoe-horned and too jarring unlike the other ones which actually flowed with their respective episodes.
I know what you mean. No zany musical segment, just some notes here but no lyrics. I was hoping that it would be YURI CHANGE THE TELOS like in the manga
Am I the only one completely unsurprised that Lulu and Ginko turned out to be benevolent characters who only eat Invisible Storm fascists? Come on, there was no way they'd have been able to win the Kurehabowl otherwise.
I know they ate her. I just thought it was relevant to point out that they were already talking about her disappearance in episode 2. If it weren't for that classroom shot, we'd have no way of knowing whether they were talking about Katyusha or the other invisible girl.
It also proves that girls from other classes get eaten too, which might seem obvious using common sense, but from a story telling point of view not so much. I was assuming up till now that all of the bear action would stay confined to their class.
Not that relevant, but we've pretty much run out of things to talk about, so might as well start picking on details.
Nigga I am pretty sure these girls are really getting fucking eaten by bears, metaphors my ass
No, I don't think many people are surprised. I actually originally thought they ate Sumiko because she was somehow lying to Kureha or using her or something, hence Ginko's line about destroying love. I feel like I almost would have preferred that to be the case if not only for the fact Sumiko is progressively becoming a worse character with each episode.
Any idea on this case? Besides she being an unimportant offscreen character, only being there to point out how Sumika and Kureha differ from invisible girls?
I was so glad they changed up the sequence this time. I was just about ready to give up on trying to understand the court shit until this episode
I think that it is kind of obvious that the court scene in this episode symbolized her finally getting the balls to shoot that /u/rsine cunt, with the gun coming out between her legs.
Point is...you are alive, when they start to eat you...
>that experience of watching Seizon Senryaku for the first time
God dammit, I still get goosebumps. That shit was so fantastic I have no words to describe it.
There is some music!
But it's after the court scene. And it's Gounod's Ave Maria, for crying out loud-- something so beautiful and soulful for me that I find it saddening to see it incorporated in such a scene.
>Rock over Japan
Holy fuck I haven't heard this in years.
MOKUSHI KUSHIMO SHIMOKU KUMOSHI MOSHIKU SHIKUMO
I have no idea what the fuck I'm even watching, but I'm enjoying it so far.
Will it make more sense if I watch Utena or Penguin Drum?
>Will it make more sense if I watch Utena or Penguin Drum?
They were both sort of the greek chorus of their show, comically commenting on what was happening while still being removed from the characters and actual events. Well, at least until HHH visited Himiwari.
You probably wouldn't be feeling even slightly disoriented if you had watched Utena and Penguindrum. That is to say that you'd recognize every one of Ikuhara's tricks and not let yourself be unsettled when, for example, Kureha falls through the roof and you're transported to a magic courtroom that approves a transformation scene and softcore symbolistic porn to the sound of a song praising the virgin mary.
It wouldn't necessarily help you understand what any of that means though.
Tossing out one-line retorts to their antics can't really be called "interacting".