>>120019102 As a kid, I thought it was awesome, because it was a big gun in a big caliber, but I'm left kind of wondering how it actually works as an adult.
The barrel seems to be fixed, and it doesn't seem to tilt or recoil in any direction, making me wonder if the gun isn't a straight blowback, which would require an insane amount of weight to the slide to safely handle .454 (though then again, Alucard is a big and strong guy, supernaturally so).
>>120019361 >which would require an insane amount of weight to the slide to safely handle .454 There's no amount of weight that would make that thing function well as a blowback, there's a reason all big caliber self loading guns have some kind of delay mechanism before unlocking.
>>120019603 >there's a reason all big caliber self loading guns have some kind of delay mechanism before unlocking You can technically make larger cartridges work with a blowback system, it's just that it requires exponentially more weight. A .32 works fine with blowback, so does a .380, but a 9mm requires significantly more weight than a .380, and even more so for a .45
I'm picturing the .454 working with some sort of terrifying mastodont Hi-Point on steroids. Of course, the Joshua could be delayed.
>>120020333 >better yet, who the fuck puts rail accessories on a 1911? some kind of lab grown fudd/tacticool hybrid? the entire notion is absurd Putting accessories on a 1911 isn't absurd itself, but using a 1911 for anything that would require those accessories other than competition is.
>>120020213 Look up the book "The German Artillery in the Battles near Metz". Almost everyone completely denigrates the effect of mitrailleuse, but this book does not; the Prussian gunners hated being shot at by it
>>120020645 Oh yeah, if it was actually aimed at you, shit was terrible, lots of people were thouroughly whacked by full volleys from them, but aiming and aligning the things was a terrible chore, and the guns were actually too accurate for their own good
>>120020482 >using a 1911 for anything that would require those accessories
that's more of what I was getting at. a crimson trace on a bp revolver would arguably increase target acquisition time, but people don't do that (well, to the best of my knowledge they don't, I wouldn't be to incredibly surprised if it has been done before, but MOST people don't do that is what I'm trying to say)
>>120021142 Hyperbole about revolver reliability aside, that thing isn't a regular revolver, so it may very well jam. It could be an unreliable hunk of shit, I doubt anyone has ever done a high round count test of one.
>>120020779 You're being too harsh on the weapon; even the well-known Maxim gun was ordered by armies on classic artillery limbers until relevant war experience indicated that low-profile tripods were the most ideal mount
>>120021249 Tons of new Beretta shit coming out, I don't know if you heard about the new WC stuff but there are a bunch of drop in parts like low profile levers and short reach triggers they made in addition to more involved stuff like G conversions. SHOT starts this week too and Beretta has been teasing all kinds of awesome shit, like bringing back the 92G-SD. It's a good time to have or get a 92.
>>120021459 remember the laminate goes under the transparent grip, and if you cut it well enough; or I guess if you don't want to do the whole modular thing, or want to make 'permanent' set, you can glue the laminated vinyl to the grip.
the bottom line is either way; the laminate cutouts should be sized in such a way that even after the added size from the laminate border, the laminate border should not stick out from under the transparent grips.
>>120021507 Well really most if it would make it even more minimalist. The big thing though is if you don't like the decock/safety like so many people don't you can have it converted to a G decock only. Pretty expensive though.
>>120021570 Which isn't even hard, there's thousands and thousands of people making 1911 grip panels, just search around, I'm almost certain there's some where you live.
Otherwise you could commission a pair from America (if you're not an American), and have them sent to your country, they're literally a pair of carved wood bits with some screws, you should be able to get those through custom if you declare them.
>>120021633 Look at how he's holding it, the stock is over his shoulder, that's just weird as fuck, he wont see the rear sight at all, and the recoil would be awkward as fuck (not that he'd hit anything without using the sights).
>>120022133 God damn did he have the worst taste in guns or what? A fucking Contender for a combat gun, picking spent cases out of the chamber really facilitates fast reloads. If you want massive penetration in a small package he should have got a Smith x-frame or some other heavy revolver.
And a Calico, a shitty helical magazine SMG with holds the wonderful innovation of putting the rear sight on the detachable magazine.
>>120022071 >it's discreet; ATF won't label you a subversive spending hundreds of dollars on custom chinese cartoon assault weapon accessories >being worried about watchlists You're probably on some watchlist for going to 4chan and owning a gun already, it's pitifully easy to get on watchlists today, especially with the NSA in full stride.
As long as they don't think you're stockpiling fertilizer or something they'll probably not make a move.
That's not to say they might not get the idea anyway, regardless of what the truth of the situation is, the Feds aren't exactly concerned about doing a clean or efficient job. They've raided farmers for having fertilizer before, though I don't think they manage to get charges to stick.
>>120022483 Doesn't he get fucked up the longer he uses that time magic? If that's the case I think I would want to spend the least amount of time picking stuck cases out of chambers as possible. Besides a heavy revolver would have more penetrating power than a .30-06 anyway and it would be lighter and handier than a contender. >>120022484 By that logic you might as well not have sights at all.
>>120022314 The Contender was in some magical wildcat cartridge, if I recall right. I would have personally rebuilt an old K98k and made it in "Pirate Pistol" size or something for my unique magical cartridge, seems like it'd be more practical in the long run.
As for the Calico, the sights being fixed to the magazine isn't exactly the best kind of design, but given how the standard capacity for the guns are 50 and 100, and that it's largely used at the 100yd range at most, it's not nearly as important, given how it's basically made for rapid fire.
Also, the magazines will work if you know how to treat them, they're basically like old drum magazines, they need to be wound right, not too little, but not too much.
>>120022656 >Also, the magazines will work if you know how to treat them, they're basically like old drum magazines, they need to be wound right, not too little, but not too much. You not exactly inspiring confidence here, drum mags are notoriously unreliable.
And that's just a drum mag, helical mags are an entirely different animal which are far shittier than drum mags.
>>120022314 single shot hunting pistols aren't bad for bear defense guns.
I've been looking at getting one for a while, not a 5.56 or whatever necked cartridge it looked like kerry was using, but I'm thinking a 45_70. first off, a breech hunting pistol is light, small, and maneuverable enough to be a "sidearm", and frankly (I've never "tested" this, but I feel like I feel more confidence in a single well placed 45_70 with a longer barrel downing a bear than a panicked 8-round10mm magdump (my current hunting sidearm) from a 5 inch
It looks like in theory it tries to use the expanding gas in the barrel the cyclinder which is somehow fed in by a magazine which can also be done by pulling that lever. It probably wont work very since it is a revolver and most of the gas will escape in the gap between the barrel and cylinder, though.
>>120022756 I'm assuming he uses the thing for more than just hosing targets 10ft away in a well lit room, if that's the case you're going to want your sights to not have a different point of impact every time you reload.
>>120022865 AK drum mags work like shit, in my experience they aren't worth their weight in scrap. Helical mags are a nightmare which is why basically no one uses them ever.
>>120022897 Why not just get an X-frame? A .500 ro .460 S&W can be loaded to meet or exceed 12ga slug horsepower, with better constructed projectiles to boot. To beat either of those by ,much with a .45-70 you'd have to load it hot as hell which a contender might nmot even be able to take and even if it can it would recoil like a motherfucker with no brake. An X-frame is just lighter and handier in general as well, the only downside is cost.
>>120022961 The Desert Eagle isn't a blowback gun, it is a direct gas impingement pistol with a rotating bolt, it's almost like a rifle in terms of operation.
Blowback just means the breech is held closed safely for long enough by the virtue of the slide/bolt being heavy enough. This wouldn't be the least bit practical for .50AE as it would require an absurd amount of mass.
>>120023212 .44 mag is not enough for brown bear, the Alaska game department themselves state that. Their minimum benchmark is a 12ga slug, which the only practical handguns that can meet that are .454, .460 and .500. The .500 and .460 S&Ws have huge ass brakes on them which makes the recoil managable. Go watch some youtube videos, it's not as wrist-shattering as some believe, just don't use those goofy ass 700gr bullets.
>>120022987 had a fairly long discussion about this on /k/
i'm aware of that problem; I think i remember hearing something about aftermarket contender 45_70 barrels longer than the standard 14, as well as the necessity of getting a muzzle break
my "second" idea is actually an honest to goodness desert eagle. probably in 44, but MAYBE 50, it's
A. something that would be kind of fun/cool to own in general
B. actually practical as a bear defense gun
C. continuation of C; mag fed means faster reload more follow up shots
At this point my bear plan is to basically get to cover (narrow rocks (relatively hilly/mountainous regions) / heavy brush and magdump if chased since I guess I do carry 2 spare handgun mags when I go hunting; so slightly less than ~30 10mm rounds, which has a fair chance of a kill if I can cycle and line up follow up shots. My big concern is if I'm like "in the open" and there is nowhere I can run, I can't out run the bear, and In that time I can maybe magdump one at high speed which is no guarantee of a kill.
If I have a deagle or whatever, I still plan to run if possible (same with contender). But a magful or a single well placed shot of higher caliber I think has a much better kill or debilitation (which gives me time to run/reload) chance.
I'm not too big on revolvers for THIS in particular (love revolvers in general, even collect BP ones), because I'm not very good with moon clips, can switch pistol mags MUCH MUCH faster without having to pay major attention to it (I can swap a mag while multitasking, not the case with a moonclip)
If you are inexperienced with a firearm, it can be difficult to successfully deploy in emergency situations. Additionally, a wounded bear can be a greater threat to human safety. A .300-Magnum rifle or a 12-gauge shotgun with rifled slugs are appropriate weapons if you have to shoot a bear. Heavy handguns such as a .44-Magnum may be inadequate in emergency situations, especially in untrained hands.
i was going to make a witty remark about the "large number of guns", but considering the rarity of the mateba, you also need to consider the quantity and type of the other guns
100 raven or jiminez 25s a a large number of guns. (100*$50)=5k
The last mateba I saw on gunbroker was a few years ago and like 5 grand iirc
at this very point in time, seeing as the value of the mateba has gone up, and the value of shitty saturday night specials has not; the mateba would in fact be the more economical choice
but really? if someone offered me a hundred jiminezes or one mateba for free, I'd totaly take the jiminezes, The mateba would probably sit on my shelf all day, could have a LOT of fun with a hundred shitty little pistols: bicycle wheel .25acp minigun
>>120023501 Then I should probably mention some things to consider.
These things will cause mischief: >Teacupping The Desert Eagle, absolutely, positively HATES to be held in a teacup grip, the magazine hangs onto the magazine release, and is meant to hang from this freely, if you teacup the gun, you push the magazine up into the well and this drastically reduces reliability. The Deagle is heavy, yes, but never teacup it, even if that feels natural, besides, teacup grip does not help you tame recoil at all, so it is a waste.
>Unjacketed ammunition Do not shoot bullets with less than 3/4 jacketing, lead will shear off and clog the gasport, not only is this something that can't be fixed in the field (it's a job for a gunsmith), but it'll completely shut off gas to the action, turning your gun into a straightpull repeater.
Also, regarding .44 or .50, they both use the same bolt-face, all you need to do to make a .44 Deagle shoot .50 is to replace the barrel and insert a loaded .50 magazine, the Deagle is quite nifty in that regard.
Now, this is not a super practical weapon, it's heavy, it's clunky, it's high maintenance (always make sure to have cleaned it thoroughly before going into the wilds), but it has advantages:
The Deagle is actually a very accurate weapon if you can manage the thing, first, it's a DI weapon, like the AR-15, inherently very accurate, the barrel is completely fixed, and it's very thick and rigid, it will absolutely not flex or whip in any manner. For recoil, the gun is heavy, but again, it's gas operated, and has a rotating bolt, this makes the recoil of magnum cartridges very mild.
A lot of people don't consider that the Deagle is sealed, unlike a revolver, which blows out a lot of gas at the cylinder gap, so a .357 or .44 out of a Deagle has considerably more power, it uses basically of the gas, and not to talk about the .50, there's even the extended barrels for truly obscene velocities. Imagine .50AE out of a 10" barrel.
>>120024250 That website is saying that it's harder to hit a bear with a pistol than a shotgun which is true, but a .44 magnum will penetrate the flesh and skull. If AP rounds were available there, you could kill them with small caliber handgun rounds. A glock 20 would be more ideal than a big ass revolver for bears because 10mm will penetrate their flesh and you would have 2.5 times the capacity.
>>120024761 oh, I've fired them before (had a friend who owned a 357 and 50, but we live in different states now), I'm familiar with the GOOD handling despite the large loads due to the heavy gun.
I don't teacup in general, OR with particularly large pistols (heavy magnum revolvers). I've seen the funny barrel ones; would you say it makes a SIGNIFICANT difference though? it looks wonky, so if it just adds like ~20% more muzzle energy and improves accuracy at mid and long range, I'm not really interested. yeah, my reason is aesthetic which is kind of dumb. But the purpose of the deagle is not really utilitarianism or practicality
I appreciate the jacketing tip! I take it this is more of a reloading concern? that most "in box" ammo should have decent QC? Or is this something I should be looking through every box rounds before I buy it like a box of eggs?
>>120024814 The website is saying it's not adequate, plain and simple. It does not have the penetrating power to reliably reach vital organs in a wide variety of situations. The same reason why anything that does not meet FBI standard 12-18" is not suitable for personal defense from humans.
>if you aren't a shit shot. lol, go ahead and pray for a headshot then when a bear is running right at you, I'm sure you have enough skill to nail a flailing bear head that is running at you at 30 MPH when you have a gallon of adrenaline in your blood. Go ahead and pray that your .44 has enough power to penetrate hide, flesh and bone from whatever angle you are standing deep enough to reach significant blood vessels.
>10mm >Bear >10mm >anything
literally a meme cartridge
>Did they hurt your feelings? They hurt my head with their stupidity
>>120025206 >Fired from a standard six-inch Desert Eagle barrel, Speer's 300-grain load produces a muzzle velocity of over 1,500 ft/s, giving a muzzle energy of over 1,500 ft·lb (2,000 J). Fired from a 10-inch barrel, the same load produces a muzzle velocity of over 1,600 ft/s, giving a muzzle energy of nearly 1,800 ft·lb (2,400 J). That's what Wikipedia had to say about the .50AE, make of it what you will, the shorter length might be worth it to you.
>I take it this is more of a reloading concern? that most "in box" ammo should have decent QC? This is more of a concern for .357 and .44, as those are made for guns in general, most which aren't gas operated, when selecting ammo for those, don't shoot anything that doesn't have at least 3/4 jacket, preferably full metal jacket or a hollowpoint with a jacket on the outside.
>Or is this something I should be looking through every box rounds before I buy it like a box of eggs? No, it's a question of the type of projectile used in a cartridge, there's nothing wrong with Hollowpoints, Half-Jackets, or unjacketed bullets in and of themselves, they just aren't fit for use in a Deagle.
>DocGKR >There are few places in the lower 48 states, even in Sierra wilderness areas, where I would feel under-armed with a 9 mm. Places with Brown bears, then I want a 12 ga with effective slugs or a .45-70......
>There is a reason Alaskan guides carry shotguns or large caliber rifles. You need something like a 12 gauge shotgun with deep penetrating slugs, a .45-70 with quality bullets, a .338 or .375 Mag.
>>120025640 >Who the fuck is talking about 10mm for anything but Black Bear? In fact, who's talking 10mm at all? The other guy I was replying to
>The question is .44 Magnum for Brown Bear, which is certainly possible, just like .223 is for Deer see >>120025649 Deer hunting isn't the same as defending your life, if your round is slightly underpowered in deer hunting your aren't going to get turned into a pile of red goop.
And 10mm is a meme cartridge, there is zero reason to use it for anything. No dedicated bullets are made for it, so it's performance is nearly identical to a .40, just with more recoil and parts wear. The only reason people use it is because of idiots like /k/tards perpetuating the meme that it is a plasma cannon.
>>120025775 >And 10mm is a meme cartridge >/k/tards perpetuating the meme that it is a plasma cannon.
please don't be retarded.
yes this is the internet, people exaggerate, they make jokes, etc...
consider that everything isn't an explicit reversal.
/k/ shits all over EVERY SINGLE big round out there
But that doesn't mean that 9mm can actually shoot down planes or you can deflect 10mm with thick clothing
10mm is unpopular (in terms of proliferation) because it's recoil is high, and it's expensive. And the superior penetration/wound cavitation stuff is too niche to justify wide use. It's like dedicated12ga slug guns. There are very very few things you can kill with a 12ga slug that you can't with 20s
>>120025775 >so it's performance is nearly identical to a .40 Different guy, but only if you go by the FBI loads, which were basically almost .40, they watered down the 10mm a fair bit after adopting it.
Do I think the 10mm really makes an appreciable difference for defense against humans? Not particularly, it's like comparing .45 to 9mm, there's a difference, but for all practical purposes, they perform about the same in terms of terminal ballistics.
Now, the 10mm can be loaded pretty hot, to .357 tier loadings, which would make it adequate for black bear (but not brown bear), and this is somewhat attractive in a package like a Glock 20. The Glock 20 largely remains a thing due to this reason I'm almost certain. The fact that Glock is coming out with a longslide 10mm for hunting enforces this notion, at least for me.
>>120026140 >Now, the 10mm can be loaded pretty hot, to .357 tier loadings, which would make it adequate for black bear 9mm is enough for black bear. Glock is making 10mm hunting models for the same reason they make .270s or whatever other niche hunting cartridge, slightly better trajectory and lower recoil to make hunting more convenient and enjoyable.
>True, but it gives a rough ballpark. No it doesn't, 99% of the time they just list advertised speeds from the manufacturer which depending on the manufacturer can be flat out lies. >Different guy, but only if you go by the FBI loads, which were basically almost .40, they watered down the 10mm a fair bit after adopting it. No, I'm talking about modern 10mm. No one makes bullets designed to take 10mm velocities in that caliber so every load just uses .40 bullets. Those bullets are designed to work in .40s so they either work exactly like a .40 or fail from too much velocity.
>>120026133 If you want something "better" than a 9 then by all means go ahead and get a .40 or a .45, but don't waste time on a 10mm when zero ammo companies support it and zero loads for it are even tested and approved for LE/self defense use.
>>120026380 I'm not telling everyone to carry 10mm brah
I edc an practice with 45. My 10mm is solely for hunting sidearm because only one store in about a 2 hr range from where I live carries it; and it's (surprise surprise) expensive to practice with, and my 10mm is one I've had for a while when I lived where 10mm was plentiful (had an lgs that you could order custom reloads from), and I'm not going to sell my only 10mm, it's a colt delta elite and those are kind of hard to find (in stores anyways, I see one at like 80% of the gun shows I go to, and I know there are plenty online) and I like 1911s
>>120026600 Using hard cast 10mm loads is fine for hunting, since the projectile is just solid there's no chance to fail so more speed just = more penetration. Using an amped up autoloader round as mentioned above gives you advantages in trajectory among other things that are beneficial for hunting. Using it for self defense from humans or bears are completely separate matters though.
For humans it is inadequate because of a total lack of good expanding projectiles for it and lack of loads using those projectiles.
And for brown bear defense it simply does not have anywhere near enough horsepower to penetrate deep enough even with hard cast. Saying you have more capacity is not good enough. Having a shitload of .22lr mags on hand to reload your MkIII does not mean it is a good SD load for humans because it cannot reach 12-18" penetration reliably. The same goes for 10mm and brown bear.
>>120026932 It's just a showpiece walther made, they're in every movie and game because they're cool looking, just like a deagle. For all we know it could be a total piece of shit. I doubt anyone shoots the thing enough to prove it reliable.
>>120027212 but I mean there are expensive things that are rare that are cool.
like the gyrojet stuff, or automags, girandoni air rifle.
There are tons of things on my "dream" wish list guns-wise that I'll almost certainly never be able to afford,or justify spending that kind of money on; but plenty of things that AREN'T on that list that are stupidly expensive; previously mentioned; things like the famas
>>120027973 Actually, the Automag did not use conventional .44 Magnum cartridges, it used a special rimless cartridge called .44AMP, intended to mirror it's ballistics while providing reliable feeding (there was also a .357AMP).
As with any gun trying to launch with a proprietary cartridge, it met a rocky start, fine cartridge, sure, but it was expensive to make and shoot, these days, unopened boxes of .44AMP have collectible value, the most common trick for people who want to shoot their .44 Automag is to make their own cartridges, by shorting down .308 brass, which if done right, happens to give you the same diameter as a .44AMP casing, and bam, now you can load yourself some .44 automatics
If the Automag had shot regular .44 Magnum revolver cartridges, it would probably have fared way better (though the question is if the gun could be made to be reliable with a rimmed cartridge)
>>120028657 Currently no-guns (planned on getting one for durr but that's another blogshit entirely) but my stepdad is hasguns. Chrome .454, 30/30, and .22. Had an SKS but got rid of it because his friend apparently bought it off some nigs who used it in armed robbery, made me pretty disappointed when I heard about that.
>mfw >also mfw none of the shops nearby have nuggets >trading shop that I went to had AKs with shit wood furniture on them
back on the topic of bear defense; has any research been done on the effects of fire against bears?
I don't suppose it'll KILL them in their tracks; but will setting one on fire maybe stun it or make it retreat?
I know they make those novelty .410 dragonbreath rounds. So in theory, if you had a supersoaker filled with gasoline or rubbing alcohol, or some other flammable liquid, and sprayed the bear, then shot it with a judge loaded with novelty shells or a flare gun, that SHOULD set the bear on fire right?
My question is; is setting the bear on fire in any way useful? Or is that probably going to end with being mauled by a bear that's on fire
>>120031400 Too long to set up, if you are dealing with a charging bear you have only a couple seconds to put it down. If you are attacking a bear that is not charging you then you are asking for trouble.
>>120031400 You are going to get mauled by a bear that's on fire. By the time you've got .410 dragonsbreath, you could have just shot the damn thing with .410 slugs, semi-automatically at that, with a Saiga.
>>120031505 bear mace is pretty flammable I think; so if you have a holstered pistol with incendiaries (btw, the make almost all common pistol rounds in novelty incendiary that you can buy online), and a can of bear mace lanyarded to your belt you COULD in theory quickdraw two handed, spray with your left (those have 20-30ft range iirc, and SHOULD have some effect on the bear in terms of slowing it) and one closrange shot with right to set it on fire
>>120031400 > My question is; is setting the bear on fire in any way useful?
That question is irrelevant, look anon only two things can happen here. Either you get to tell everyone about that time you set Smokey on fire, or you get to die in the most metal way possible short of having Ozzy bite your head off. This is a win-win scenario. Now get out there and burn down a forest!
you just point it at a charging bear, and let the bear's momentum pierce it on the pitchfork. the springs compress, the lever moves, and the shotgun shell sets off the dynamite
I guess a better version would have some kind of blast shield to protect the user
and if one stick isn't enough, it's fairly scalable; ultimately it's "how much dynamite can you tie to a pitchfork head", and then a question of some kind of blast shielding for the user so the explosion doesn't end up killing them too
if the shielding/knockback logistics are too crazy impractical or if it'll still end with getting crushed by a bear carcass, the blast shield can be done away with entirely and you just throw the thing like a javelin at attacking bears
the big downside is it's a "one time" use thing, and reloading if at all possible (might destroy pitchfork head) is time consuming, so not too practical against multiple bears.
On the other hand; it think it's pretty "foolproof" simple; it's basically a spear, anyone should be able to use one, and with enough explosives, the bear kill should be guaranteed
>>120033653 thanks for the input. but would you mind expanding on those acronyms? ive been out of the /a/ game for a while, but i just got a kindle so ive decided to start reading more manga. problem is i have no idea whats good anymore.
>shit results for reference image from Google Image search >screencap my own image from shit YouTube quality video
Cowboy Bebop may have left an impression on me with Spike's Jericho 941, but the movie really got me with Vincent's SVI 1911; Extended 6-inch barrel, double-stack 20-something round mag...huge and and impractical, but holy shit, did it look badass with it's simple profile and large amount of suppressive fire to lay down. I've always wanted an airsoft replica of one, but fuck if I ever was able to find one in stock anywhere that wasn't a buttfucking high price, and I don't even know if SVI frames are even worth the real life investment.
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