>Literally never has a plan, even yells that at Kotomine in their fight during Fate
>Poor combat sense most of the time
>Inherently rash as a person
>Fights like a really weak Berserker
>Grows up, develops a highly methodical fighting style that emphasizes technique and strategy, plus a set of super powers that require strategy and skill to be useful
You lost me. That is not how a person's skills would develop.
I used to focus on offense. Then I realized I'm better at controlling space and have high defense. Now instead of throwing myself at someone constantly I just sit back and defend their attacks until they leave huge openings and punish them accordingly
Actually his combat sense is rather sharp. Plus EMIYA and Shirou are not from the same timeline. The Shirou that turned into Archer probably had a different route of getting the experience and fighting style, then taught it to Shirou by mistake cause lolmagics.
>tfw the joke dojo scenes were actually foreshadowing for Sparks Liner High
Sorry Saber, what's that about no such thing as special attacks?
Well he went from not knowing what a Grail War is to being on the front lines of one within a few days, it's not that surprising he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Given his personality on other situations it's not odd that he'd be more methodical when he has the chance.
>Landed the final blow in the duel which completely disabled his opponent
Meh, he did win, Saber was just being a sore loser. I always registered Shirou as the winner of that duel, I thought it was pretty stupid when Alter figured she won because he didn't land a permanent killing blow. She didn't land one either. And he out-skilled her.
Alter is just a sore loser.
I thought saber is supposed to be one of if not the most skilled swords man
How is an archer able to match her? And if he is so good then why is he always an archer and not a saber?>>119987462
Well he did have an eternity to improve his skills. Just because you only see the retard and the end result doesn't mean that there wasn't anything in between.
>>Literally never has a plan, even yells that at Kotomine in their fight during Fate
Strategy? Maybe not. Tactics? Yes. Heck the first encounter with Lancer, Shirou shows use of a few tecniques and forethought during the encounter.
>Poor combat sense most of the time
That's blatantly false.
>Inherently rash as a person
Nope. He knows the consequences of his actions, he's just hard headed and sticks with his decisions.
because a big part of determining the class of a Servant is if they can fit the body that is just a container for their soul.
a Saber needs a sword attached to their identity, but they must also be renowned as a spirit of the sword, so even Gil with Ea can't be Saber, since the idea of using Ea as a regular sword is stupid
EMIYA is not someone associated with any particular weapon of his own, but can use his projections as disposable projecticles, so he qualifies as an Archer, just like Gil who uses his weapons like projectiles.
in theory he could also qualify as Caster since he is a magus, but Caster was already summoned at that time and he might not even have good compability with the class
Literally any Asian Saber exceed Arthuria in skill alone. Saying that Saber is one of the best in skill is stupid. I'm not saying she doesn't have any but she's far from the best.
This is the soul reason why EMIYA become an Archer class servant.
What fighting games do you play and who are your mains?
Shirou has an extremely strong base for combat.
First of all, his eyesight is incredible. Go rewatch the scenes in the prologue episode and episode 1 where Rin and Shirou stare at either other when she's on top of the building. The fact that when Shirou is looking at her, he can see her clearly, while she can barely see him isn't accidental, it's actually the first hint that he is the Red Man.
Secondly, he spent most of his childhood sparring with Taiga, who is a fifth-dan Kendo champion.
Third, he's extremely /fit/.
It's not surprising at all he could develop to Archers level.
And there is your answer if you are lost. He grew up. People change when they grow up and see the world for themselves. Shirou saw a lot of crazy shit after the holy grail war. Which is why he is a lot different than his younger self when he finally became a Heoric Spirit. Not to mention that when he is younger he was just thrown into the Holy Grail War without enough knowledge and training.
Did you actually pay attention to him fighting? He uses his magic in the most strategic way he can, but the issue is that his only magic is strengthening, which can only be used in a pretty basic offensive way. Archer's fighting style only works because he has a repertoire of nearly infinite weapons to use. Once Shirou actually gets to fight someone with magic that isn't Gil (Sparks Liner High) you can see his actions have a lot of depth and thought behind them.
Archer would be such a pain in the ass for a Saber class servant to fight 1v1. Imagine trying to parry or block blows from someone who can dematerialize and rematerialize their weapons nearly instantly at will.
Ah a fellow fighter. I've played a few and own a couple more.
I only fell in love with sf4 though. I main boxer. Sure he can rush down and has great frame traps and tick throws but I think he is better on defense. There are some bad matches where he has to play more aggressive to establish a life lead though.
Some times I like to practice combos with Filia and Parasol in SG, and soul fist loops with moridoom/amy but I don't really play those games. And I use Charlie/Ryu/juggernaut when I play against friends in marvel 2 but that is pretty rare. And I like Talim in sc3
He doesn't really "dematerialize and rematerialize" his weapons during a fight as a strategy (like avoiding a parry by making the weapon disapper for a split second), he just pulls out shit from the RM if his weapons get broken/gets disarmed. He's pretty much your regular swordsman with the exception that he will always have a weapon in hand.
It's not as useful as you'd think. If you dematerialize your weapon to make a swing past an opponent's weapon, you'd just be opening yourself up for an attack from them, and they'd have the initiative because you still have to re-Trace your sword before you can even wound them, whereas their weapon is already there and moving towards you. A Servant would easily punish such a rookie move, which is probably why Archer never even bothers trying it.
I'm pretty sure it's said that attack is effective even with out the element of surprise.
Even if you know it's coming, it's still very difficult if not almost impossible to block the entire thing.
Shirou is actually really good at archery. Like, the best his Archery club ever had. He only missed one shot ever, and it was because he missed it on purpose. Also Archer was really the only class left to be summoned into when Rin summons him, since Saber effectively had that slot reserved.
Couldn't you use movement and de-materialization to throw your opponent off their balance? Like going for a sword clash then dodging to the side and causing them to follow throw thin air?
No, it's explicitly stated to be an attack that is only effective with the element of surprise, because it's a series of surprise attacks used to open up an opponent's guard long enough to get in a single killing blow. It's reliant on the opponent not expecting the swords to come from four different angles at once, but if they know about it they can take measures to counter the move, or prevent it from being set up in the first place. It's not like Tsubame Gaeshi that is always effective because of Fake Assassin's skill that prevents his techniques from becoming less effective.
he probably could not use his bow really good, might have better MAG, but not as good in melee, so his main thing would have to be using weapons as projecticles like he did to kill Caster.
So basically he would be a lesser Gil, besides the Reality Marble
How would that be any different than dodging to the side though? It might confuse them for a moment the first time it happens, but I don't think it would be a serious detriment in any other way.
You can't make effective swings with a weapon while you're defending with another. This is all pointless anyways, because Archer never does anything like what you describe.
Yes, Kuzuki's fighting skills are reliant on surprise as well. That's a good example. Saber was caught off-guard in their first meeting, but if they fought again, Kuzuki wouldn't last more than a few seconds because she knows what to expect and there's no way he can match the skill of a Servant in a duel head-on.
He can even use his bow in fate against Basakah
It just shows that he had potential which is why I like Shirou as a character and makes Archer also more appealing.
Also, for clarification, Shirou was granted the use of a reality marble when his orgin and element were changed to sword because of Avalon right? That's why he's allowed to summon UBW if he's connected to a prana reactor right? Or is it just cause he could read the aria and understand them on a mental level while Archer had to go through years of training to learn the magic of his reality marble?
When the fuck are we going to get an F/SN Archer origin/ UBW sequel god damnnit.
I want to see Shirou become the Red Man.
EMIYA as Caster would have no sword skills and even worse stats than he has as Archer barring MAG. And with his magecraft at C- rank, he'd have nothing to supplement his reality marble, which means he's shit even as far as Casters go.
Broken Phantasms are Archer's trump card. Losing that would be devastating to his abilities.
I wonder how Lancelot kept it in his pants around the cute little blond-haired waifu king.
>Shirou was granted the use of a reality marble when his orgin and element were changed to sword because of Avalon right?
No, not really. That's where "unlimited blade works" comes from, though.
His body is already a magic circuit specialized in overwriting the world. That's why he can use a RM, do tracing, and do strengthening in the first place, and why he's so shit at other magic.
Having an inner world of nothing but swords just made it really easy to make a RM.
Kinda this. Since they don't know if you're going to dematerialize or not you can quickly feint it. Retracting a hand with a sword and without a sword is probably a high difference in speed. Couple that with having another sword to followup with any attack whilst moving and re-tracing a new weapon to continue your assault. It seems like it could be an effective way of fighting someone with one weapon. Or atleast not use to having to fight against the feints of a boxer.
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Actually, EMIYA is an Archer class servant because everything he does, from his magecraft to his swordfighting, is based on Japanese archery. There are eight steps to performing a single shot with a bow in Japanese archery, which he outlines in the VN. There are also eight steps to tracing a sword in UBW, and eight lines to the verse to manifest UBW properly. You could say that everything Archer does is just taking the tenets of Japanese archery and applying them to magecraft.
>Shirou is the Crysis Man.
Now if only Shirou had Kerry's arsenal.
Blocks of cocaine man.