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Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?

It's always the same in reviews like this
>the anime is good because of X, Y and Z
>but uh, uh, uh, the devil of fanservice is there too
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>>119950026
>not freaking out
>not calling it disgusting or pathetic
>not complaining about otaku or pandering
That write-up is refreshingly reasonable to an absurd degree. You should be singing its praises, not whining about it.
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What's evil about incest?

I understand the pedophilia thing, but incest? Two adults able to give consent that happen to be brothers or cousins.
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>>119950026
Page views
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>>119950145
Just because it's not as bad as it could be doesn't mean it's good.
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>>119950257
Remember, gay is okay, but incest is not.
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>>119950026
Why should they? They have right to complain if they don't like something. It's not like all anime are about incest or fanservice.
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>>119950026
So you are saying criticism for your shit-tier shows isn't allowed?
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Why are you readng anime reviews on Kotaku?
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They've obviously watched Nisemonogatari, if they mark down "Incest Fanservice Humour" as a negative then I'm getting the slight feeling it might not be the show for them.

I get the feeling they might be a bit grossed out by Incest, just a feeling. I wonder what they feel about the rampant loli fanservice.
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>>119950289
It isn't bad, though. It addresses a perceived flaw, provides reasoning for that perception, and does so without passing judgment on the people who disagree.

There are probably thousands of anime reviews that actually support the OP's view, yet he chose one of the precious few that don't.
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>>119950145
I think you need to leave.
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In the west we teach classes on 'genderqueer', trannynomics and other deprave shit and they try to criticize a fictional bath scene between fictional 'siblings'
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>>119950372
this could go either way
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>>119950440
Not that anon but basically what you're saying is. "He's reached the basic standard of how a review should be written"

We should give someone a pat on the back every time they do what is to be expected of them?
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>>119950479
Sorry for not irrationally hating everything that disagrees with my opinions, newfriend.
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>>119950026
>Can't into words
The criticism is not badly written and is reasonable, even gives hints on how it would have been better if they changed a few things.
Just cause you love your incest it does not mean they should put all their efforts in incest scenes almost at the level of a porn when the message the author wants to give is different. It is almost hipocrisy.
Like Me!Me!Me! where you catch both types of idiots with a show, the 2deep4you loving ones and the PLOT loving ones.
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>>119950490
Featuring non sexual bathing between siblings
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>>119950372
Indeed, and similarly others too have the right to call them out on their stupidity. That's how freedom of speech works, something that many don't seem to get.
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>>119950508
No, but how about not complaining?
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>>119950522
>>119950514
>shittaku devs
>>>/v/
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>>119950404
Like this.
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>>119950514
You clearly don't belong here.
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>>yfw the bloggers that write these kinds of articles make over $75,000 per year while you are 24 years old and sitting at your mom's house with $400 in your bank account
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I always blame Americans and their mindest that the entire world must cater to their tastes.
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>>119950529
If it were an article criticizing queer shit it'd be considered a hate crime
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>>119950522
>Just cause you love your incest it does not mean they should put all their efforts in incest scenes almost at the level of a porn when the message the author wants to give is different.

The fuck you know what message author wants to give.

The Kotaku reviewer says that Monogatari points out the absurdity of incest fanservice, but comes off as hypocritical because of how much it indulges in it.

Personally I see that as the point of said fanservice. Nishio just winks at the audience, "we all know this is a stupid fantasy", but then goes with it happily. That's the opposite of hypocrisy, it's honesty.
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>>119950026
Plebs, anon. Plebs everywhere.
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>>119950567
no way some fucking dude writing anime reviews is making 150% of the average american yearly income from it
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>>119950026
You know you're reading the site that says that Yaoi/Yuri Fanservice is good because of "muh lgbtbbq", right?
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>>119950026
>Monogatari
He is probably right. What a worthless franchise.
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That's legit criticism though, it's common for anime to criticize or parody something but in the end it ends up being exact same thing as those series it's making fun of. Oregairu comes in my mind.
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Because most idiots are in fact idiots and don't understand that different cultures have different valuea and that what they might perceive as wrong and unjust is normal and acceptable in other places.

They're in fact blind towards people other than the ones within their own country and judge or criticize based on their own, little, experience of life.

In short: They're dumbfuck nerds.
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>>119950547
So we're not allowed to disagree with the review on which grounds? Just because it's written to standard doesn't suddenly mean it's immune to criticism.
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Cause accepting fanservice and sexuality is not hipster enough.
Usually the rare instances inwhich i look for reviews, when the writer or the tuber start talking about fanservice, grimdark, and shock factor, is when i stop read/watch and add another name to my black list and another title to my to watch/read list.
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>>119950522
You're a fucktard. Nisio Isin has been an incest fag since the beginning of his career.

He doesn't criticize incest at all.
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>>119950647
>watches shitgatari
>calls other plebs
lol
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>shitogatari
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>>119950508
Given how fucking atrocious the West's track record is with this sort of thing, the "basic standard" isn't expected at all.

Why would you not encourage people who choose to apply tact and effort in a vocation that thrives on being as lazy and sensationalist as possible?
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>>119950026
>still believing in the west
>still believing anime blogs have any worth
>still believing it's not all clickbait
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Because they want to sound intelligent for hating on everything that doesn't conform to your average society, i.e. they're shit.

Just enjoy your chinese cartoon and ignore reviews in the first place.
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>>119950690
>lol
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>>119950026
They cant accept it as their minds have been shaped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
This is now their mindset. They think their opinion is the only rightfull one.
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>>119950666
Or maybe it's because criticism doesn't mean the creator is negative of it. It could be because the creator actually does like it and hence willing to explore it further, which includes examining the flaws.

>Oregairu comes in my mind
I can agree with you on that example though.
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>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?
>Western anime fans
>Western
Well there's your fucking answer.
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>>119950440
The whole reasoning is "fanservice is bad because fanservice is bad"
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>>119950671
Except this is not a part of Japanese culture. It's common only in otaku culture, which is the equivalent of shitty 70s exploitation movies.
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>>119950522
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>>119950730
Lurk more newfag.

Genji wanted to fuck his mom and adopted daughter/lover.
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>>119950730
Same deal. An outsider commenting on something they have limited experience with. It doesn't just have to be country, it could extend to any community, sub-cultures etc.
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>>119950728
No, the reasoning is that the fanservice smothers everything else going on in the scene.
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>>119950757
You're talking about an ancient story, it has nothing to do with modern Japan.
Or if this is the case then why Europe isn't okay with incest if Greek gods fucked each other all the time?
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>>119950709
This. Everything we see on the media/blogs/reviews.
Everything is so politically correct its stopping evolution(thats not the right wording but bare with me as English it not my native language)

I've given up in the human race, we are absolute trash.
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>>119950671
>not hating every other culture except for your own
What the fuck man, did you forget about Pearl Harbor?
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>>119950730
Bullshit. All japanese media, even non otaku related and even way before the word otaku was used to define anime fans, never shyed away from some light nudity. Only recently they are americanizing.
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>>119950790
Only if the viewer is a retard. Like you, for example.
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>>119950790
how does fanservice smother lighthearted sibling banter and otaku-oriented humor
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>>119950703
The basic standard SHOULD be expected. It's the basic standard for a reason.
If someone doesn't meet the standard then you don't pay them any attention. If someone does meet it then do give them your clicks.

Just because Western Journalism is currently shit doesn't mean we should lower our expectations, we should keep them at the level where we need people to be and just ignore the stuff like clickbait articles.

Their reward is our continued support. The fact clickbait articles are a thing is what makes this entire situation a thing. Which is actually something I agree with you on.
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>>119950809
Before you reply to other idiots, make sure you're not writing like an idiot yourself.
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>>119950674
There is nothing wrong with criticism, but simply stating your disagreement with something is no criticism. It's basically whining that not everyone likes the same thing you do.
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>>119950567
Citation needed.
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>>119950817
>currently shit
>currently

Please. Journalism has ALWAYS been shit.
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I have to ask -- how many of the autists on this board who believe incest should be a normalized concept actually have siblings of the opposite sex?
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>stop talk shit about my shitty fanservice pandering, it's masterpiece. bla bla
You just asking for this, faggot
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>>119950862
I hate to ask - which board did you come from, and why?
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>>119950795
Europe is okay with bestiality though which is how the Minotaur was produced.

There are legal animal brothels in Europe where you can fuck animals.

So again, you should lurk more.
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>>119950145
Wrong. He's calling a scene from an LN adaption fanservice. Fuck that.
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>>119950800
>light nudity
This is not light nudity. And you're wrong. They started doing this in 60s because of the sexual and cultural revolution. You know, a Western revolution.
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>>119950862
Normalized concept doesn't mean a majority has to be up for it. Western countries think being gay should be considered normal despite gay people being a minority. Incest is no different, but Western leftists look at it differently.
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>>119950862
You might have problems if you cant divide real life from fantasy.
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>>119950891
>Europe is okay with bestiality
It isn't. It's illegal in most European countries.
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>>119950026
You just have to deal with it.
The western fandom only like stuff like Dandy, Death Parade and Lesbo Bears.
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This is cause amerifags and many westerners in generals have such a deep-rooted idea that everything related to sexual exploitation is the shit off the shit, and nothing in any circumstance or context can be good if is about sexuality, that their brain caannot even process the concept of "good but fanservicey" their ears would begin to bleed.
"Fanservice is the shit! Period! Shut up! And if you like it is cause you're a masturbation obsessed retard!"
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>>119950927
Unlike in murrica, you should have added.
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>>119950915
Incest is different. Especially if there is some age-gap.
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>>119950891
>There are legal animal brothels in Europe where you can fuck animals.
Did your redneck grandpa tell you this?
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>>119950825
I would like to receive more constructive feedback, please go into detail why you think I was " writing like an idiot".
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>>119950849
Lets take my main criticism as the point of reference here. It's going to make me sound a lot more Otaku than I intend to be but fuck it.

My issue is that they marked down Incest Fanservice Humour as a negative.

Now this is applying a western viewpoint on a Japanese product written by a guy who is selling his entire series on Wordplay and Fanservice plus a company that is using that source material and combining it with slick visuals to make a high selling product.

Marking down a selling point as bad is just completely missing the point. It's like saying. "Oh there was too much talking" or "There were too many Japanese references."

Whether you enjoy Incest Fanservice Humour or not, it shows a complete lack of understanding in the show you are reviewing if you aren't at least understanding why people are watching it and the demographic it is trying to target.
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>>119950862
>I have to ask -- how many of the autists on this movie theater who believe murder should be a normalized concept actually kill people that wronged them?
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>>119950910
Yeah, the matherfucking 60s lots of time ago.
And why today the mentality is regressing to pre 60s like a fucking taliban invasion? What the hell our parents did wrong? We should have been the free sex while listening to metal generation.
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>>119950980
No capitalization or punctuation, but I see that you've fixed that. Good job.
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>>119950955
It's not different at all if all involved parties are above the age of consent. The fact that you think it's different itself shows how Westerners have been conditioned into thinking.
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>>119951003
faggot
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>>119950862
What's your problem with gay incest, bigot?
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>>119950860
I'll give you that.

However it's never been more prevalent than in this current times with the advent of the internet connecting the entire world with everyone suddenly thinking they can be journalists on their blog.
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>>119950982
Well, maybe they like the wordplay and dislike fanservice?
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>>119950026
>Incestuous Fanservice Humor
>Bad
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>>119951002
>We should have been the free sex while listening to metal generation.
Get back to the 90ies. Kids these days listen to niggerhop and wubstep.
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>>119950927
Germany was okay with animal fucking until last year so pretty much since Germany's conception as a nation, animal fucking wasn't banned until 2013.

So just because you banned animal fucking 2 years ago still doesn't change the fact that for hundreds of years, you allowed animal fucking.
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>>119951019
True, but they could pointed out what >>119950982 said about it being part of the selling point rather than shit on it just because.
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>>119950310
Fuck that shit.
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>>119950026
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?
Because they're mostly SJWs and normalfags - or rather, they'd like to be normalfags and yearn for acceptance. They're insecure people who are afraid of being judged, of being considered deviant - which is quite amusing, because these sorts of people usually pride themselves with being "different", "hipsters", etc.

On /a/, we're different. We've given up on society, we revel in being reviled.

I eagerly welcome any sort of fanservice, if only for the reason that it deters the insincere and makes them fell unwelcome.
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Real question is why OP reads shitty Kotaku articles?
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>>119950891
Yeah no. Finland and Denmark are apparently the only countries that don't actually care about it. Just can't sell any videos and what not.
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>>119951019
Then Monogatari still isn't the show for them. It's prided itself on being Fanservice. It's been a plot point multiple times.
To the extent their immaculately animated panty shot is the very first thing you see and is the very first event which sets of the entire series.
The second episode is 10 minutes of Senjougahara naked or changing clothes but even that is justified by the context in which she doing it.
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>>119951051
I would, i totally would.
No actually the '80s or even '70s.
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>>119951059
Why did they ban it?
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>>119950026
Next up on retarted complaints:
"Bad - Eroge has porn in it"

You know, if you are not ok with 80% of a medium, you could always not consume it...
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>>119950921
>>119950989
>>119950915
You're just the same normalfags as the cross-boarding faggots. I fapped with my little sister's panties and I'm not afraid to say it.
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>>119950862
Maybe you should realize some people only care about incest in anime/VNs etc.

Please don't criticize anime etc. with the reasoning of "it's gross IRL". Who the fuck cares?
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The West doesn't realize that fun things are fun anymore.
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>>119950817
>The basic standard SHOULD be expected.
Why would you expect something that is statistically improbable? That doesn't make sense.

Anyway, it was originally directed at people like the OP who are functionally illiterate and can't distinguish between "acceptable" and "burning bag of dogshit."
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>>119950955
How?
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>>119951143
Yes, see >>119950558
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Because americans.

>pokemon is satanic
>videogames turn you into a killer machine
>the queen is actually lizardpeople and she will attack us soon to claim what is hers
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>>119951146
Can you even read?
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>tfw there are literally no living anime reviewers who actually have good taste
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>>119951118
I think it's pretty clear that OP didn't read anything.
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>>119951146
Well, you're a creepy fuck and you're probably proud of it. See, this is what incest anime can do to a person. You don't even understand what is morally wrong and right.

Sorry, but otaku culture is creepy as fuck. Incest isn't treated as some kind of forbidden love, but a disturbing sexualization of little sisters (naive girls that will do everything to their brothers). And guess what? Family rape is the most common kind of rape.
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>>119951143
It happens!
In many boards i continuosly read about ECCHI manga or anime being shit cause they're ecchi!
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>muh christian values
>think of the children
That's why.
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>>119951175
>because protestants
FTFY
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>>119950982
In that case take the review for what it is:
A western viewpoint on a Japanese product

If you think that there review holds no meaning because the writer does not belong to the product's target group, then you are in no position to judge his review, because you obviously don't belong to his target group.

That logic holds no ground. Even people who do not belong to the product's audience should be free to review the product. You're essentially reviewing his review. If you only let people who admire your work review it, you'll never receive any worthy criticism.
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>>119951156
>Why would you expect something that is statistically improbable?

Because we need to keep this dream alive, anon. We need to believe there is a goal to reach so that we don't continue to fall into shit.
If we lower our standards then we will continue to lower them as the situation gets worse and worse.

If we're able to against all odds reach the fabled basic standard then we will have succeeded.

Or some equally uplifting speech preaching that humanity isn't completely shit and that we can make ourselves better
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>>119951212
Only retarded protestants.

We kicked them out of yurope for a reason.
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>>119951190
That is not t-tru.... why the fuck am I trying to argue back?

Fuck reviewers, especially those that think "This is shit because hur hur I'm a moralfag therefore I'm cool".
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>>119951205
>Family rape is the most common kind of rape.
If you were my family, I would rape you every day, fuccboi.
>>119951211
Is it time to tip?
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>>119951212
Aren't Murricans mostly Catholic?
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>>119950982
In that case i should like Oreimo because it makes of incest its main selling point? Fuck both of these shits.
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>>119951190
RIP jii-san
May your bones be bleached under the Arizona sun
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There's too much self-importance in reviews. "What will other people think about ME if I don't criticize fanservice as being the devil?"
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>>119950558
The funniest thing is that these people don't realise that they're the exact same thing as Muslims demanding bans of depictions of the prophet because it hurts their feelings. It's the exact same thing.
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>>119951205
That's fine, but if you engulf yourself in otaku culture and even write reviews about it, you're just retarded if you still stand to this mindset.
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>>119951247
Only murricans who are not from USA.
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>>119951247
>Yuropoor education

No
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>>119951253
Good point.
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>>119950390
fake ,right?
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>>119951293
No, it's not.
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>>119951262
I don't think they are really that interested in otaku culture. They just like "cool" stuff in anime. Not all shows are about fanservice, incest and similar crap.
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>>119950026
I actually won't watch anything with Fire Sisters having more than 5min of screentime thanks to Nise.

I won't touch Tsuki anyway.
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>>119951253
Kotaku writers (and most anime bloggers) have no shame. They just write about what panders to their demographic.
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>>119951310
Fag.
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>>119951205
>You don't even understand what is morally wrong and right.

How about you go fuck yourself and grow up. There is no right and wrong in terms of morals. The concept of morals itself is standing on thin fucking legs. If anon wants to fap with his imoutos pantsu he can fucking do that.
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>>119950026
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?

Why can't I have my own opinion?
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>>119951310
>I'm actually a faggot
Okay.
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>>119951253
An hero?
A worthy and open minded reviewer able to contextualize the events and the humor and not restricted by moral faggottry?
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>>119950310
Is gay incest okay?
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>>119951218
And if you only let pessimists review your work, you'll never get any praise. The person doing the reviewing should be a fan of the work. That means there actually is some credibility to their judgement. You're right in saying that it can lead to receiving no harsh criticism, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.

Let's go with a simpler example. If I want to buy the most efficient car available, I'll go to someone who actually knows the shit they're talking about. I wouldn't be asking a hobo which vehicle has the best fuel efficiency. I don't give a shit if he can speak like a lawyer, that'll just be plain stupidity.
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>>119951116
Not OP, but I agree with you. It seems like when it comes to being a deviant, say like watching anime, there's an "accepted" way of doing so and you have to watch the right series (eg. "Attack on Titan" for fuck's sake) and think the right opinions in order to be accepted.

Every time I hear someone say they've recently gotten into anime and they've started watching SnK or SAO, they think they're so different from everyone else. But at the same time they're still conforming to watch the same drivel like with Western TV shows.
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>>119951355
Between girls.
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>>119951334
Like I said, you're all morally bankrupt. Read more rape doujinshi. That will certainly help.
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>>119951310
This.
The quality of a Monogatari arc is directly proportional to the quality of the girl it pertains to.
This is why Crab's and Nadeko's arcs are the best, and why Hanekawa arcs are shit.
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>>119951218
I don't think it lacks meaning. I just think it should be taken with a grain of salt because he is going into a series he knows what to expect and then complains about what he's seeing even when he knew what to expect.

He's a western person looking at this thinking. "Hmm, it's got incest. Which is something I don't like." which is 99% sure a cultural opinion, hence why I stated western.

Then he's reviewing a show which sells itself on stuff like Incest Fanservice Humour.

It's like watching Yosuga no Sora and saying you didn't like the last arc because of the incest.

He's going into a show he should understand he's not going to like and then marking it down negatively because he doesn't like it even though he knew exactly what he was getting in to. He watched Nisemonogatari, he knew better.
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>>119950026
Because there are westerners that want to push western "values" into anime, to the point that we will stop watching anime because it will become a copy-paste of western cartoons.

thank god the japs never listen too much to what the outside world tells them

I'm no weaboo, I don't want to be japanese but I admire them for that
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>>119950982
-monogatari might be full of gratuitous fanservice, but it's predominantly known for being banter: the anime.

It's not unreasonable for someone to really enjoy the banter and not the fanservice.

Or another way to look at it: you can find gratuitous fanservice anime anywhere, but well-executed banter anime is something unique to -monogatari.
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>>119951376
It will certainly help my cock. You want me to shove it up your ass as well so we can figure out whether or not your "morals" are backwards shit?
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>>119951253
This. All anime reviewers are self-important, pretentious retards. Maybe even all bloggers are.
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>>119951247
No, protestants. Like catholics from an old age. They still try to deny evolution and that earth is not the center of the universe. And then they review anime and manga.
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>>119951251
Did you go into Oreimo knowing it was incest? You don't have to like OreImo. I don't but I'm not going to mark down a show for incest when it's entire premise is "My Little Sister Cannot Be This Cute"

OreImo is just a terrible show in general. Even if you don't like Incest.
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There was a time when I complained about these things too (fanservice, loli, etc) but then /a/ made me realize that I actually love these things and I was just pretending to hate.
I'm sure those faggots feel the same way.
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>>119951324
>>119951336
Nah, even if I watch vietnam cartoons I still have some standards.
They're nothing but fanservice, fanservice, fanservice with a side dish of exposition, not to mention their characters are shit. I know Monogatari is not the pinacle of characterization and development, but when some girls have it good and other have it absolutely bad it hurts the experience.

>>119951383
Crab is a good character, Nadeko not so much but her arc is fun. Cat is too 3D for anons, that's why you hate her.
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>>119951233
It's the other way around, anon. If you set the bar too high, the writers down in Burning Dogshit Valley won't even be able to see it, and thus won't even try to strive for it. By setting the bar higher bit by bit, we may be able to finally reach the Steins;Article worldline.
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>>119950903
>He's calling a scene from an LN adaption fanservice. Fuck that.
Do you think LNs don't have fanservice or something?
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>>119951439
I will always laugh at people who are "surprised" at Oreimo's incestual ending. The show is called "My Little Sister cannot be this Cute!" Take a fucking hint.
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>>119950026
Like any medium/genre there's good and bad aspects. Stop being an autist and realize that your opinion isn't special. Your image is retarded too though, Monogatari is a bad series with or without fanservice.
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>>119951464
>I'm sure those faggots feel the same way.
No. Those faggots are concerned that their audience like, so they can get more hits. They also get hits by enraging retards like /a/nons, and getting them to spread their articles. Clickbait at work. This thread is part of it too, just that OP forgot to post the link.
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>Stop with the character-driven shows that are more about the lives of the characters than some grand plot with a big bad!
>Stop with the episodes that are just the characters screwing around!
>Stop with the drawn boobs that make me feel uncomfortable!
>Stop with the teenage protagonists!
>Stop with the shitty Japanese humor!
>WRITE YOUR JAPANESE SHOWS AROUND MY WESTERN TASTES

What I don't get is why these people are even watching anime to begin with.

There are thousands and thousands of shows out that do exactly what they're asking for. It's called western television.
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What does it matter? It's not like any of their reviews do anything.

Just ignore the idiotic fucks. Maybe one day they'll get that stick surgically removed out of their ass and finally have fun. Until then, just laugh at 'em. Their stupidity is frustrating? Don't read clickbait in the first place.
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>>119951438
>deny...earth is not the center of the universe

But anon, it's actually not.
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>>119951364
>If I want to buy the most efficient car available, I'll go to someone who actually knows the shit they're talking about. I wouldn't be asking a hobo which vehicle has the best fuel efficiency. I don't give a shit if he can speak like a lawyer, that'll just be plain stupidity.

That's a different topic, because a car will have it's up and down sides. Anime, or shows (or even entertainment in general) are a subjective matter, which is why there will be no objective opinion, unlike with cars. With cars it's closer to math.

>>119951384
Like I said, in that case take it for what you see it as:
A western viewpoint on a Japanese product
It will help the average american know wether he'll like the show or not.

The only way I can think of a compromise between you and the author would be, if the author mentioned that he obviously does not belong to the targeted audience. I think if that was the case, no one in this thread would complain.
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>>119951501
You're doubly clueless.
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>>119951501
I hate Monogatari. I usually don't hate anime, but Monogatari is insufferable.
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>>119951486
But Kuroneko is best girl.
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>>119951486
Wait you mean that there is some kind of connection?
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>>119951501
Your whatevergatari hating is not the point here genius.
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>>119951520
This. I doubt westerners even matter since majority doesn't even buy their show.
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>>119951538
What's insufferable about it?
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>>119951551
Why are you so upset?
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>>119951205
Aww, did someone touch you in some uncomfortable place when you were young? All that projection make it sound like you're speaking from experience.
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Who the fuck cares, anon?

Another Rapelay isn't going to happen any time soon. Well maybe until the Olympics but that's another can of worms to worry about later.
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>>119951399
>gratuitous fanservice

Whoa there, anon. Gratuitous implies its tacked on. That 10 second Panty Shot is the shining example of Monogatari's high standards for interweaving ecchi fanservice and plot together.

As for the banter part. I think that's why most people stay for Monogatari. I'm not going to deny that. It's probably the main selling point even over the fanservice but that doesn't make the fanservice less of a selling point.

My issue comes from saying the fanservice is a negative in a show that actively prides itself on having well done fanservice. You remove the Fanservice from Monogatari and it's no longer the same beast.

Other shows with actual gratuitous fanservice like generic harem #90012 where the girl falls and gives you a non-sequitor panty shot could have that scene removed and not lose anything.
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>>119951464
I think incest in real life is kinda fucked up. Dunno if it's because I have a oneesan, but it just don't work in my head.
But in anime, I'm like pic related
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>>119951563
Everything. It's pure otaku bait that pretends to be something more.
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>>119951547
She is and sadly we will only see her getting the tender loving she deserves in various doujins.
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>>119951607
So you're unhappy some people see something more in it?

If only everything was as stupid as you want it to be, eh?
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>>119951588
>Rapelay
Man, it's been a while since I heard that name again.
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>>119951588
>Well maybe until the Olympics but that's another can of worms to worry about later.
Are they still going to demolish Akihabara?
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>>119951600
>I think incest in real life is kinda fucked up.
If both parties are willing, I see no problem with it. I have a little sister and I would never touch her, though.
2d makes everything great, by the way.
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>>119951565
When people try to spout dumbassery while trying to be all "i'm better than you" like the reviewer in OP it always upset me. Fuck "is an opinion", if they are free to make shitty review, i'm free to complain about how shitty are their review.
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>>119951623
But it is. Everything about Monogatari is bad. From annoying characters to atrocious editing.
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>>119951632
LOL, if feminazis didn't go on rampage probably you would never heard of it.
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>>119951680
>LOL
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>>119951650
You've already made it very clear that you're able to make an idiot out of yourself, don't worry.
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>>119951597
It's a negative for the person who wrote the review, and he explains why.

Stop assuming that everything is coming from /a/'s "x is objectively SHIT because I say so" mindset.
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>>119951675
And what is good to you?
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When faggots bitch about incest in 2D, I immediately lose all respect for their opinion and condescendingly attack them as hard as possible. The words "retarded" and "pathetic" are my personal favorites.
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>>119951687
Your words make me proud, master.
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>>119951702
With similar style? Tatami Galaxy is good.
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>>119950257
Two siblings giving birth to a child raises the chances of retardation. Other than that I never understood why it is "wrong". Somehow the topic came up a few months ago with my father (we were watching the news or something) and the only reasoning he had against incest was that it's "wrong". Right.
A woman and a man loving each other is ok.
Two faggots loving each other is ok.
Two dykes loving each other is ok.
Two siblings loving each other is apparently wrong.

It's not like incest is my fetish but who am I (or who's anyone else for that matter) to tell two people that it's wrong to love each other?
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>>119951600
Who cares? You're not okay with it because you don't feel like fucking your sister? That's some fucked up shit right there. I like incest in 2D as well but I would never fuck my mom or non existing sister. But what is the fucking problem if you do actually feel like doing it and your significant other is all for it? There is no problem. It doesn't affect me. People can fuck dead cows for all I care. Just don't do it in front of me.
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>>119951528
My example definitely was a bit flawed, but my main point was simply to say a reviewer who is interested in the product has more credibility than someone who's reviewing just for the sake of it.

>The only way I can think of a compromise between you and the author would be, if the author mentioned that he obviously does not belong to the targeted audience.
That would be ideal scenario, except I can never recall such a case ever happening before.
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>>119950257
It's disdurbing for people who actually have silbings and aren't attracted to them.
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>>119951481
It's not too high. It's the lowest we can possibly put it before we start falling into shit. Also fuck I hate you so much right now. You're making me want to rewatch Steins; Gate. I haven't watch that in years.

>>119951486
You know, I think they were sidetracked by the fact Kirino was unlikable and just wished so hard that the title was a misnomer.

>>119951528
He could just not put under "Bad" and put it as its own thing. Maybe just explain that if you don't like Fanservice that you might not be the kind of show for you.
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>>119951721
As expected.
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>>119951650
>can't even type English
>criticizes other people's writing
Please find a website that actually uses your native language.
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>>119951680
Nah. I liked Battle Raper more anyway.
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>>119951373
Yuri incest is shit unless it's twincest. Prove me wrong.
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>>119950026

Because internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekr3n17iQSc
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>>119951559

Honestly, even if westerners were importing BDs by the shipload, the complainers still wouldn't get what they want.

The Japanese have always had a very hard time understanding foreign thought processes. Attempts to cater to foreigners usually don't turn out well, and they tend to see them as one united entity with a single set of opinions. Which is why they're surprised when they find out that there are westerners who want stuff like Senran Kagura, Neptunia, etc.

Also, unless the fanbase is overwhelmingly western (i.e. Zelda or MGS), the Japanese will gear their works towards Japanese audiences and just let the westerners respond as they will. That's really for the best, given the above.
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>>119950624
>"we all know this is a stupid fantasy"
He said that Monogatari was originally masturbatory piece of writing he did for himself but ended up published, that's why is actually good and why it has incest.
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>>119951723
Because one party almost always is in the position of authority. An older brother can literally groom his younger sister into his sexual partner. This is not okay.
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>>119951743
You and me both.
I've wrote anything about grammarnazism.
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>>119950026
To be honest, fanservice gets stale after awhile and is almost always subpar to what you can get on sadpanda. I kind of wish they stop doing it altogether, as less fanservice almost always equates to more and better doujinshi. Also, 90% of the time it feels forced and juvenile, which makes it far less likely to excite and far more likely to get an eyeroll. Again, the superior product is on sadpanda.
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>>119951479
If you're not an /a/non, then I have no idea what you're still doing here.
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>>119951757
Yes, very honest of him.
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>>119951738
We've been mired in this turdsea for ages, anon. It is clearly too high.

>You're making me want to rewatch Steins; Gate.
Do it, faggot. I just rewatched it a couple weeks ago and it's still amazing.

The movie had its ups and downs.
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>>119951754
It's amazing how the Japanese not giving a shit in this case is a good thing. Normally, I'll be crying for the opposite.
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>>119951754
>implying Nintendo is not trying to appeal to the japanese audience with every new Zelda that is not TP
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>>119950026

western anime fans need to understand that their opinion on anime doesn't matter now and wont mater for a long time. its like somebody in russias opinon on the next US election. what do people hate fanservice so much? its literally a service to them. anime is visual entertainment so why would you want to watch still shots of the background or just two characters standing next to each other talking when you could have cool stylized shots of legs/ass/tits or anything to keep your eyes on screen?
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>>119951721
Tatami Galaxy is nothing like Bakemonogatari in terms of anything.
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>>119951486
Hindsightfags are hilarious. You can search in some database how many titles have imouto in the title, and how many of them actually have a full-blown incest ending. And no, not related doesn't count.
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>>119950891
Just because there are some pervs doesn't mean the general population doesn't look down on them or aren't disgusted by it.
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>>119951807
Yet the "I'm too good for Monogatari" people always name it as their go-to anime.
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>>119951806
>anime is visual entertainment so why would you want to watch still shots of the background or just two characters standing next to each other talking when you could have cool stylized shots of legs/ass/tits or anything to keep your eyes on screen?
I'd rather have not boring shots.
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>>119951723
>Two dykes loving each other is okay

Nothing wrong with cute, lewd 2D lillies. Just their hideous buzzcut 3Dshit world counterparts. And the only thing against incest is retarded moralfaggot stigma perpetuated since who knows when even though the most kind and noble men in the Old Testament were spreading pure love left and right and having actually happy harems.
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>>119951754
Just few westerners import anime BDs and most of them aren't normalfaggots, this means that western audinece and opinions are WORTHLESS for anime as whole.
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>>119950891
>bestiality
This reminds me that xxzero just explained why Faithful Tepig 2 was so shit.
Gotta love that guy.
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>>119951765
Sure that is possible (and not okay) but I was talking about what >>119950257 mentioned.
>Two adults able to give consent that happen to be brothers or cousins.
The emphasis is on adults who are able to give consent.
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>>119951355
I wish we'd get more incest between shota twins.
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>>119951765
Full hikaru genji
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>>119951694
He's disliking a show based on it's selling point. He's not even uninformed either, he watched Nisemonogatari, he knew exactly what he was getting in for.

He's denying the show's other core concept. I don't think going into something you know you're not going to like is going to be fair to the show you're reviewing.
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>>119951528
I think the different is point there is incest and "wholly shit there is incest and messing up the show"
I mean if the incest is is ruining the show they might have a point.

That is why I hate western anime fan base for bring their expectation in anime.
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>>119951723

I don't understand why there's a higher chance of retardation. Aren't we all related by blood in some way, shape or form?
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>>119951785
It had a movie?! Oh sweet lord just how long has it been since I watched it. All I can remember from it now is that Suzuha, Masta Hakka, Tuturu, Kurisu...actually, I remember a fair bit. Though that movie is definitely on my list now.
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>>119951867
My nigga

http://exhentai.org/g/626186/19af44363e/
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>>119951607
>It's pure otaku bait that pretends to be something more.
I don't think the show pretends to be something more.

Monogatari is a peculiar example because it's one of the few shows that are actually very much otaku oriented but appeal to a wide audience. Mostly because of the somewhat unusual art direction and how the first season started off more of a romance story (featuring vampires nonetheless) rather than the harem anime that it actually is. This gave normalfags a wrong impression of what they're getting into. Now they're confronted with this show they've liked and they're trying to make sense of it. Rather than admitting to themselves that they've enjoyed a silly, otaku oriented harem show with plenty of fanservice, they're trying to attribute deeper meaning to it than it has. Some are denying the harem aspects - claiming it were nothing more than a regular romance story, some are attempting to find allegories within the fanservice, others are blowing Araragi's character out of proportion, claiming he was such an usual and deep character never found before in harem anime. The whole show is surrounded by this huge bubble of fanwankery coming from a part of its fanbase that is simply in denial about what type of show it is. Monogatari isn't a bad show, it's technically reasonably well made, or rather they made a lot out of very little given its slideshow character - but it certainly doesn't pretend to be more than it is. It's the fanbase who does.

This also tells you a lot about these sorts of mature people who watch mature shows - they care more about the reputation of a show than its actual content. They're not the discerning viewers they claim to be, but they're sheep who watch what others claim to be good and regurgitate those opinions rather than being able to make up their own mind. And this shouldn't come as a surprise: they only watch a fraction of the shows available after all because everything else is "beneath" them. They lack experience.
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>>119951873
Murasaki wasn't his sister.
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>>119950390
This shit was painful.
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>>119951918
Yes and the movie was pretty good. Kurisu a cute.
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Fanservice is ok, so long as its kept to the point where one can easily ignore it. It does become annoying when a good chunk of a 20 minute episode is spent forcing characters into scenarios that don't even resonate with their characters. And honestly, if you want to see porn of the characters, there are ways to do that without ruining the show in the progress.

I wish anime had more geniune sex scenes that are in compliance with character rather than a male protagonist accidently rubbing the female's tits and awkward moment ensues as the female slaps the guy and drops her towel in the process. Just let them fuck instead. Atleast you'll skip the pandering criticism that way. But I guess otaku would be too frightened of two characters actually bonding in a sexual manner.
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>>119951898
Have you passed your high school biology class yet?
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>>119950490
Ah, so if it is something you agree with it is not depraved and if it isn't then it must be depraved? Why not be non-critical of both?
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>>119951752
That faggot actually put Onee-chan ga Kita that low? Holy fuck this is some true moralfag shit. Did he even watch past the first episode?
:<
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>>119951335
Because your kind of opinion is obnoxious moralfaggotry and shit.
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>>119950440
>>119950508
>>119950703
>>119950817
>>119951156
>>119951233
>>119951481
>>119951738
>>119951785
>>119951918
What a beautiful discussion without resorting to ad hominem.
I'm being serious. You guys >>> 99% of /a/
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>>119951205
Man-on-woman rape is the most common kind of rape. Ban heterosexual sex.
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>>119950026
It's because of autists like this that we end up with 500 post threads of people who can't tell the difference between the atmosphere and context in the "walk me home gently" scene and the toothbrush scene in Nise.
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>>119951752
>check AgK and TG instead

Made me laugh harder than I should have.
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>>119951918
An OVA episode and a movie, in that order.

My only real complain with them is that the original ending was too good, so if you weren't crazy about the ending then you should enjoy it.
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>>119951960
You mean the part where they teach you about recessive genes? For example blond hair or different shape of face? There's a reason why human-grown fauna and flora are often of the same lines. You can get desired results more easily.
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>>119951898
Higher chance of rare recessive genetic traits because very similar genetics are crossing each other. Although actually only one generation of incest between brother and sister is not significantly higher than a normal non incest pairing.
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>>119951547
What the fuck does that kind of shit have to do with anything, you stupid faggot? How does that makes Oreimo's ending any less fitting regardless of the actual quality of the characters themselves?
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>>119951925
We need more like this and a PA Works anime adaptation.
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>>119951953
Is the movie like a sequel or something. Or is it just like a retelling like Madoka had going for it for the first two movies?
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>>119950257
Pic related is your typical normalfag.
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>>119950026
Why even give a damn about people with below shit-tier opinions.
Just let them rot on fuckbook or whatever in obscurity surrounded by their own retarded kind.
Meanwhile I'll keep on enjoying the good stuff instead of reading things sure to further degrade my faith in humanity.
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>>119952083
It's a sequel.
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>>119952006
Don't like people attacking you while they shit on your opinion?
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>>119952006
Such is the will of Steins Gate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTn_nz1I9_Y
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>>119951765
I like older brothers that groom their younger brothers into cock suckers.
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>>119952092
What does ohb mean?
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>>119950257
It's bad example for the kids.
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>>119952024
I think from memory (don't use it as a reliable source. It's been a while) I liked the ending. If I recall HOUOUIN KYOUMA actually manages to get shit done like a boss.

So I should prepare myself and/or my anus for some mild disappointment about the movie/OVA or should I be alright?
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>>119952092
Where's OHB gone to?
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>>119952154
It means that you're a newfag who doen't know oral hygiene bro.
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>>119952154
And this is why we're doomed.
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>>119951146
Fucking epic, I really look up to you and the fact you can really say this.
Have you told your parents about this while laughing because, you know, you're fucking epic?
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>>119950953
>Undetermined in Texas
What a surprise.
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why do people hate fanservice? if I had to guess most people watch anime alone so its not like people are going judge you for a 3 second flash of drawn boobs. western movies/shows almost always have nudity or sex or bikinis etc and everyone gathers together to go see those and no one says anything. the problem is that normal Western people see anime as 100% hentai loli tentacle porn so theses fags want ANYTHING remotely sexual removed so they can say "I like anime but I dont like that weird gross drawn fetish stuff. im not like them!"
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>>119950257
Nothing. Just retarded moralfaggots who don't even know their own shit. Christfags are worse than Narutards and worship even shittier writing and retcons.
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>>119951806
>what do people hate fanservice so much?
In some shows it's intrusive. It really isn't the case in Bakemono though.
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>>119951898
A lot of hereditary diseases are recessive, i.e. they're only physically (phenotypically) exhibited on your body if they're present on both chromosomes. If one of your parents is a carrier of such a disease, both you and your sister could have inherited it and be perfectly healthy individuals. If you had children however, they could inherit the disease from both you and your sister and thus end ill.

Still, there's no guarantee for this to happen. Incest might as well result in completely healthy children. However, if done throughout generations, the chance for something nasty to happen is obviously larger, which is why it should be avoided.
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>>119952006
Not sure if genuine about your opinion or trying to get me to lower my guard with a masterful bluff leading into a crushing critique about the structure of my arguments.
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All this fanservice is DISGUSTING.

Japanese animes don't ever represent the true social trends, where are the transgender people being referred to by their chosen pronouns where are the feminsts actually making the world a better and more equal place.

this is DISGUSTING, you're all SICK.
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>>119952220
Maybe you should read the Bible, fedora friend.
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>>119952154
Lurk more or fuck off
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>>119951211
>muh christian values
But anon I'm christain and I fap to incest like no tomorrow.
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>>119950026
I agree. We should be rid of fanservice in anime as a whole so that it will truly be something worth praising by both yourself and your peers.

I mean, come on. Why would anybody want the fans of a series be serviced. That sounds stupid and does not only offend me but the integrity of the content itself as well as its creator. Servicing fans? Simply baffling. It does not coincide with my and, most likely, other people's tastes and is nothing more than disservice to every involved in its production.

Fanservice. Service for fans. Psh. How inane and immature.
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>>119952187
Mild disappointment, but also enjoyment and appreciation. It's really just that the OVA and movie take a step back before taking a step forward.

Just watch them, baka.
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>>119951752
>Hoozuki
How can someone be so wrong.
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It's a boring and overused scenario, but it's by no means proplematic.

Fanservice is just fine as long as it doesnt result in shit like mandatory swimsuit episodes in every manga/anime ever, complete with by the books interaction

"I'm so jealous of your enormous boobs"
"Hey, lets peek on the girls"
>peekers get caught
"HENTAI"
>girls throw random shit

every fucking time
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>there will be a day when incest in anime is banned
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>>119952288
>Tokyo olympics soon.
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>>119952113
Oh sweet. I'm getting pretty hype for it to be honest.
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>>119952270
>How can someone be so wrong.
When that someone is shit.
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>>119952092

You can get the death penalty for fucking your family? Is this in saudi arabia or something?
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>>119951779
>I have to eat crap everyday to enjoy anime

Fuck off, /a/ is my home board since 2009.
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>>119952288
Time to cry.
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>>119952243
>saying anything bad about Christfags is fedorashit

I'll call whoever the fuck I want retarded.
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>>119952255
>>119952235
What's depressing is someone is actually writing something in the same vein as these posts.

And they're serious about it.
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Unisex bathing is not a big deal though. Some people even do so even after being teenaged or even older.

Westerners have this extreme view that any sexual imagery automatically equals extreme raunchiness. Even at Monogatari's raunchiest, it's pretty damn vanilla.
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>>119950026

It's really hard for anyone who seriously likes anime to not wish for the industry to move past some of the things that weigh it down.

The little sister love interests are becoming this awful stock thing where they are in shows because that is now the norm. Incest love interests were not always as prevalent as they are now.

Obnoxious "cute" animal mascots for nearly every show also used to be a thing. There were times where like 80% of shows had these. They were awful and it made sense to criticize it.

There are fads in anime that don't actually touch on the core of "what anime is" they are just bad trends that ruin shows. They were usually done right somewhere, but come off as stupid when used for no real reason.

While Araragi's little sisters actually add something to the series and are there for a purpose, there are like a billion shows where they don't.
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>>119951486
i thought its going to be family friendly comedy about brother and sister overcoming family issues and work together, not this bloody soap opera

am i supposed to expect bestiality when watching how to train your dragon?
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>>119952340
>Cat is too 3D for anons, that's why you hate her
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>>119952194
>>119952193
>>119952248
The fuck did all of you say about me, I've been browsing 4chan since 2007, so how dare you call me a newfag. Kids like you don't even know what /a/ was like in it's good years or seen classics like Eva, and lotgh. I bet all of you aren't true Japanese connoisseur s like me.
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>>119952354
And otaku who don't give a fuck about stupid shit are the ones who control the industry.
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>>119952261
I'm going to have to leave it for tomorrow. I think I know what I've got planned for tommorow though. Gonna rewatch me some Steins; Gate and then the OVA then the Movie.

Maybe get some food and make a day of it.
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>>119952357
I think it's up to the point where murder is less shocking than consenting incest.
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>>119950026
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?
Tell them they're racists and ethnocentrists for forcing their ethnocentric and racial "superior" views on the Japanese and their culture.

Besides, the Germans are thinking about legalizing incest anyway.
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>>119952309
>>119952288

>yfw japan doesn't give a fuck and just goes full otaku. miku in the opening ceremony, 2D art everywhere and catgirls with seifuku as far as the eye can see.
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>>119952354
Thank god superior nippon isolationism.
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>>119951731
I like incest in media but I am in no way attracted to my sister.
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>>119952340
>since 2009
This counts as having been here for a long time these days.
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>>119952365
>"what anime is"
Elaborate
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>>119951752
why even put yourself on the internet with such a face
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>>119952332
No, its just paranoid faggots in certain parts of the world who think fucking your family members will result in the end of human society and as such must be killed for it.
I can understand killing off the dog fuckers, they're just wasting precious space but c'mon, if a brother and sister love each let em and live.
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>>119951842
>And the only thing against incest is retarded moralfaggot stigma
Actually the main thing against it is inbreeding depression and recessive genetic problems. Pakistanis, for example, have been following the tradition of marrying their first cousins for centuries and as a result they have a huge problem with fuck ugly deformed mutant children. If people were fucking their sisters it would be even worse. If inbreeding depression wasn't a real thing, people would have probably embraced incest long before homosexuality. But nature likes to remind the human race that it is objectively wrong by giving you retard babies for doing it.

>even though the most kind and noble men in the Old Testament were spreading pure love left and right and having actually happy harems.

This actually made me laugh. What are you referring to? This is like the Judeo-Christian equivalent of saying Muhammad fucked an 11-year old girl so everyone should do it.
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>>119952388
Ganbatte, reasonable-kun. You should post a thread with your impressions after you finish it.
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>>119952404
I'm sure we can say the same for the rest of us.
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>>119952404
Because your sister is ugly and doesn't dress sexy once in a while.
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>>119952357
Nope, me and my brother bath with my older cousins(3 females and 1 male) all the time in summer since we live in the same house but there is nothing sexual about it(except the time they commented on my brother's butt but let's leave it at that)
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Moralfags would start wars.
Fanservicefags would not.
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>>119952399
>Besides, the Germans are thinking about legalizing incest anyways

If this goes through, the bitching from retarded screaming faggot muricunts will be delicious.
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>>119950730
Otaku culture IS a part of Japanese culture. You idiot. That's like saying gun culture is not a part of American culture because not all Americans take part in ownership of firearms.
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>>119952231
Nah, I was serious. I'm sorry if my post seemed sarcastic m8.
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>>119950026
It's like they don't understand post-irony.
It's all about blending and oscillating between sincerity and irony in a ridiculous way that gives the impression that you're both completely sincere and also completely ironic about whatever you're doing.
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>>119952365
I bet you also think H scenes hold visual novels back.

Fuck off.
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>>119952413
Because doing it IRL is just a big no-no.
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>>119952433
Did they comment on your brother's butt before or after you started touching it?
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>>119950026
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?

Why can't you accept the review for what it is?
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>>119952288
They already banned sexual acts between two sibling in my animu. What more do they want?
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>>119952399
And these same westerners will bash on Muslims for Wanting the Shariah law in Western Places they settle in
How Ironic
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>>119952357
>*Americans have this extreme view that any sexual imagery automatically equals extreme raunchiness. Even at Monogatari's raunchiest, it's pretty damn vanilla.

ftfy
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>>119952399
>Tell them they're racists and ethnocentrists for forcing their ethnocentric and racial "superior" views on the Japanese and their culture.
This.

It would BTFO their bullshit.
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>>119950795
"Japanese Culture" died with the second world war.
It's just been constant idolization of western values from there on.
I suggest you read some late Japanese modernists sometime, especially The Setting Sun.
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>>119952465
I am accepting it exactly for what it is. That's why I can ask why Western anime fans can't accept anime for what it is
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>>119952473
>yfw "they aren't blood related, one was adopted at a young age" excuse
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>>119952357
>pornographic toothbrushing
>vanilla
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>>119952461
Did not touch my brother butt, but did try to touch my cousin breast though.
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>>119952465
You're right. This review is shit and let's leave it at that.
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>>119950310
That's probably because gay won't produce kids, so not little degenerates to worry about.
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>>119952433
>>119952506
>nothing sexual about it
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>>119952288
>>119952473

It's okay.

Incest stories will evolve to transcend that which is taboo and bloom into a whole new brand of miracle so it can truly be fit to be called the purest form of love.
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>drawings are literally just thoughts expressed on a digital or paper canvases

>there are people in this thread who are pro-thought policing
>believe that it should be punishable by law if you express thoughts that they don't like on paper
>have probably accused someone of "abusing free speech" at some point in their lives, completely failing to see that stopping the tyranny that people who use such phrases would impose on society is one of the wisdoms behind the concept

Welcome to 1984.
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Let's talk about anime
http://youtu.be/-2lVi-SeIx0
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>>119952506
Did you suceed? Did you get kicked across the room while she screams "Hentai!".
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>>119952402
well some of the peepz in the Parliament are trying to go against that.

They want to show to the people in the west that japan is a "normal" country and not some creepy stereotype.

However i don't think they will be very successful in doing so.


also when is some one going to kill that bitch that wants to ban loli
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>>119952499
Yeah, it was probably mint or something.
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>>119952478
>And these same westerners
That's just the conservative westerners.
The liberal westerners basically do the same thing, except what they do is "you're all racists for trying to enforce your white culture on all these foreigners, but feminism is okay to enforce on the foreigners even though it's a completely western-made philosophy."
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>>119952518
They can adopt kids and make them into degenerates.
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>>119952496
I think it happened in the games.
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>>119952422
>That is like the Judeo-Christian equivalent of saying Muhammad fucked an 11-year old girl so everyone should do it.

They're being filthy hypocrites who just look over the parts they don't agree with yet worship these men all the same. David and his own son had multiple wives and everyone knows about and respects them. No one even flinched at the idea of marrying a cousin then and it's not even painted in a bad light yet these same retards will call incest "evil".
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>>119950026
Im pretty sure most people agree that Nisenmonogatari had a bit too much fan service. Normally they do a lot of teasing but Nisen had too many panty shots in between the normal teasing and they didnt feel self aware.
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>>119952530
>there are people in this thread who support banning incest in anime
Literally who
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>>119952425
Man, I don't make threads. I just post in them.

Also totally not smart enough to understand a show within one sitting. If I were to post my impressions, it would be during a random S;G thread after I've watched it multiple times to make sure I understand.

Monogatari has forced me many a time to rewatch arcs when someone mentions something like. "Kaiki uses the Car Crash as his excuse for deaths because of it's impersonal nature and yet because it was how Tooe died" and then I have to go back to Nise and see that he did indeed use that excuse, then go to Hitagi End and see he uses it there as well and then go back to arc in which Kanbaru mentions her parents died in a car crash to check.
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>>119952548
Less easy for them to adopt a kid than for some incest couple to make one.
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>>119952566
If there are, they're faggots baiting.
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>>119952539
No you fool! Japanese toothpaste is wasabi flavored toothpaste folded over 1000 times!
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>>119952446
No, it didn't seem sarcastic at all and that's what threw me off. If you were being sarcastic then I would expect that but someone actually being sincere is off-putting for /a/.
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>>119952562
>Nisenmonogatari had a bit too much fan service
Nah. Just not enough Kaiki.
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>>119952530
>abusing free speech
I don't understand this bull.
Free speech is supposed to be offensive. Why would you need protection of free speech if you're not offending anyone?

Even a fucking pornography magazine owner gets this.
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>>119951778
I hate that the term fanservice is always associated with nudity nowadays. Originally fanservice was every additional information that was of interest to the viewer. Of course seeing your favourite characters naked is part of that, but let's take for example those scenes in SNK between the commercial breaks, where a lot of stuff is explained, like how their weaponry works, etc. That's fanservice too, in my opinion.
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>>119952583
Wrong, since one side actually tries for it while the other can use protection. I don't even know why we're discussing 3D.
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>>119952511
Why does it have to be shit? It's a valid viewpoint from someone with a different mindset. At least OP is not a shitposter
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>>119952522
Well, i did that when i was 8 years old. Did not try again after that. We basically grew up together almost as if we were brother and sister.
>>119952536
Nope did get kicked. She just called my name a little angry and then stopped.
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>>119952566
Mayumifags.
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>>119950558
Why is 16 or 17 year olds "children" and "pedophilia"? That's fucking age of consent in most places. Fucking murrifats and their pedo boogeyman.
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>>119952611
Dem tits
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>>119952478
Moral relativism and values pluralism is the rhetoric by which the PC liberals are destroying the EU and US.

Canada already has legalized Sharia law. The world has gone crazy.

Western values are superior and the world would be a better place if we stomped out inferior belief systems.
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I have an imouto who is basically Kirino with shorter hair. I wouldn't fuck her because eww, but I don't have anything against other people doing incest.
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>>119952634
*did not get kicked
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>>119952550
not in the LN's
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>>119952562
The problem wasn't too much fanservice, the problem is that it's boring for about 5 episodes.
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>>119952638
I wish this country would get nuked by the rest of the world already.I'd gladly take on for the team and especially pure love.
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>>119952654
Wait until she starts acting like Bridget. Wrong thoughts will swarm your head.
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>>119952638
17 I can understand but 16 year olds are still fucking idiots you can easily squeeze sex out of.
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>>119952422
>This actually made me laugh. What are you referring to?
"And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.

And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."
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>>119951731
No it isn't faggot.

I'm convinced everyone who is "disturbed" by incest and gives this reason only doesn't like it because it brings up uncomfortable feelings of latent attraction to their own sibling that they don't want to face.
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>>119952654
>I wouldn't fuck her because eww
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>>119951261
>It's the exact same thing.
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>>119952677
They didn't have kids in the LN.
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>>119952607
>>119952678
Yeah they were also pretty boring.
Im pretty sure they realized the criticism since they toned it down in the further seasons
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>>119952654
>I don't have anything against other people doing incest
Then what is "ewww"?
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>>119952562

>Im pretty sure most westerners agree that Nisenmonogatari had a bit too much fan service

FTFY

I'm always happy that westerners are completely irrelevant to the decisions made by anime studios and Japanese game studios.
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>>119952709
Hypocritical bigots in media.
So what else is new?
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>>119950026
His problem shouldn't be with incest, but rather with Monogatari being shit.
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>>119952717
And they were also actually fucking related in the LN. You're point?
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>Not wanting to ravage her loins
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>>119952684
16 year olds are perfectly legal in most of Europe. Also, if they're so easy, how come most of /a/ are still virgins?

In any case, this is a non-issue because being attracted to girls who exhibit traits of sexual maturity, as is the case with most 16 year olds, is completely normal. There's nothing pedophilic about it.
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>>119952717
in the LN's it was implied they fucked while actually being brother and sister so.

haven't played the games so i dont know about that
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>>119952653
>Canada already has legalized Sharia law
Needs Source


Shit's actually rejected in Quebec.
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>>119952732
His sister is obviously a shit. People don't want to fuck shit, anon.
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>>119952785
>Quebec
>part of Canada
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>>119952795
It's the better part.
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>>119952788
But she's Kirino. Kirino isn't a shit. She's a 2ndbest.
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>>119952709
RADICAL FEMINISM IS THE NEW RADICAL JIHADISM
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>>119952788
He said like Kirino. That means not shit.
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>>119952810
>better part
>people think they're the French of Canada
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>>119952684
Some 20 year olds are fucking idiots, too.
Plus a large percentage of teenagers start having sex at like 13 and 14 but nobody wants to admit their pure children are already fucking.

And in fiction why does it matter?
We can have killing prostitutes and all sorts of murder and violence in media and nobody gives a shit, but even insinuate that teenagers might be fucking and suddenly you're a child molester.
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>>119950026
>Why can't Western anime fans accept anime for what it is?

Because sjw hate it. Anime has gotten too popular and mainstream. Sjw hates anything more "cool" and popular than themselves. Thus they want to CONTROL what's cool and popular. Just like how they are trying to control video games right now.
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>>119952815
>>119952821
We're talking about a 3D sister who acts like anime Kirino. "Ewww" indeed.
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wow, what a shit thread

I dont know if I should hide it or ban it....
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>>119952872
You can eat my dick cheese.
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>>119952562
I had no problem with the amount of fanservice in Nise.
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>>119952872
How about you.... take one step back... and literally fuck your own face.....


......
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>>119952872
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>>119952773
>how come most of /a/ are still virgins
Because we're a bunch of cowards, duh. You want to roll up next to a young girl in my brothers mini van saying ay gurl, wanna party? I don't fucking think so.
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>>119952872
Maybe you should ignore it instead of being a fucking faggot.
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>>119952773
>how come most of /a/ are still virgins?
How rude. My right hand takes offense to that.
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>>119952936
>implying it's not because we are not slaves to 3D
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>>119952948
:3
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>>119952847
SJWs aren't remotely relevant in the western anime fanbase. Stop trying to fit everything into your stupid /v/ narrative.
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>>119952910
This made me laugh far more than it should.
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>>119952936
>Because we're a bunch of cowards
Nah.
I'm not a coward, just completely unaware of what sort of behavior is expected of me.
My constant use of irony isn't helping either.
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>>119952709

It's not hypocrisy if it's associated with feminism!

I'm sure that the western academic and political communities will begin openly scrutinizing this shit eventually, but who knows when that might be, and it's a little scary to think of what they might get away with while they're seen as a group that are above analysis and criticism.
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>>119952555
Just because Bible thumpers are stupid hypocrites doesn't make incest right, it just makes them equally wrong. This is a great example of why all religions should be disrespected for the stupidity they promote, not just islam.
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>>119952974
That too.
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>>119950026
Because Americans are fucking retarded and I hope they all die in a fire.
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>>119953019
>>>/r/atheism
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>>119953019

Atheism too, fuck those pseudointellectual retards
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>>119952936
I don't think it's just that. It's also that 16 year old girls don't like us any better than older ones.

>>119952974
It's not just that - even if we were slaves to 3D, we'd probably still be virgins. We'd be the "nice guys" from /r9k/ listening to their problems, fixing their computers, etc. - however, we're smart enough to realise that it's not worth the effort.
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>>119953013

It'll happen before the Olympics. Sadly I fear that retarded article is the tip of the iceberg.
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>>119953041

You mean the British.

Whenever you hear a man spouting feminist bullshit, there's almost always a British accent coming out of his mouth.
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>>119953019
There's nothing inherently "right" or "wrong" about incest. You probably shouldn't have kids if you're going to do it, but beyond that why the fuck does anyone care if two people want to fuck?
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>>119953077
Whether you like atheists is a different issue, but atheism itself is a reasonable position.
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>>119953077
I love this maymay.
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>>119953090
British and Americans both jerk each others' dicks all day long anyway while they slowly turn into shithole police states.
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>>119953080
>It's also that 16 year old girls don't like us any better than older ones
But the younger ones are easily tricked with lower income. 20$ is alot to them and you get more out of it than you would a hooker.
Talking like this I'm starting to scare myself.
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>>119953114

It's a meme for a good reason
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>>119953103
>denying something without any knowledge is a reasonable position
Okay, hypocrite.
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>But it's disgusting

Disgust is just an opinion. Muslims might find it disgusting that you eat bacon, but that doesn't mean you're in the wrong for eating bacon. Some people view homosexuals as disgusting, some view sex without a marriage as disgusting, some view sex as disgusting, some view all humans per se as disgusting. It is not a logical argument

>But it's not normal

Many things are abnormal and yet accepted. Homosexuals are abnormal, yet most of the west accepts them, same for transsexuals, same for a lot of sexual deviants. Even lefthanded people are technically abnormal but no sane person would argue for banning lefthandedness

>But the children might be genetically defect

That is only an argument against incest with impregnation. And then only if you argue against other things that can cause genetical defects. With every year of the mother's age, the risk severly increases, thus we'd have to establish an age limit on pregnancies, if you're over 20, you're too old and must not get a child. If you have defect genes, or are even just related to people that have, you must not reproduce.

>But [Religion] says it must be banned

Then we have to follow all religious rules. Which is not only impossible, due to contradicting rules, but goes against the secular principles most of the west has been built upon. Go to a middle eastern muslim shithole if you desire religious rule.

Have I missed any arguments people make against incest?
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>>119953143
>expecting someone to be able to prove the nonexistence of something
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>>119953149
I remember lefthandfags being banned during communism. Good times.
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>>119953138
A meme is everything that gets spammed for no reason nowadays.
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>>119952910
Bu that would be selfcest.
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>>119952788
This.

Also, most people don't want to have sex with people they grew up with because http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect

That doesn't stop me from having a fetish for other people being incestuous though.
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>>119953175
Repelling invading redditfags is a pretty good reason.
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>>119953149
Underrated post.
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>>119953143
You're just flaunting your own ignorance in people's faces. Atheism has always been about scepticism more than denial.

I question the existence of a god and won't live my life based on his rules without given evidence for his existence.

I don't rule out that he exists, just like I don't rule out that the tooth fairy, vampires or santa claus exists, but I consider the likelihood slim enough to not bother.
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>>119950026
I know, right? Why can't they just accept that the whole monogatari series is nothing but a big wank festival for forever alones who dream of doinking their sisters or catgirls or a myriad of other women.
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>>119953219
I guess ignorance goes hand in hand with retardation. What you described is agnosticism.
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>>119953219
Everybody knows god is a cute loli anyway.
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>>119953215
Fedorafaggotry is a redditmeme though.

Outside of 4chan people think 4channers are fedora hackers.

Posting fedorashit means you are okay with the Reddit invasion.
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>>119953143

Your mother has murdered 50 people.

Sure, all of the evidence that you have on hand makes this seem like a pretty ridiculous notion, but you can't deny it, since you don't have knowledge of what your mom does when you're not around.
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>>119952709
I'm pretty sure Charlie Hebdo comics don't equate to pedophile drawings. Charlie Hebdo draws offensive satires of Islam, for example, in order to provoke thoughtful reflection and point out hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance in the people who take things for granted without thinking about it.

If Charlie Hebdo published a comic about lolicon, it wouldn't be to encourage it, but to point out how fucked up it is. That's not the same as posting lolicon on the internet for people to fap to. The latter is openly encouraging the sexualization (and therefore harm) of children, which is wrong and contributes nothing to the marketplace of ideas. Hence it doesn't get protection under free speech and gets outlawed under obscenity laws.

Sickos are always trying to compare two completely different things and convince people they are the same, in order to justify their warped beliefs about what they should be allowed to get away with.
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>>119953215
Cool epic reddit maymay faggot.

If people put 1/10 of the effort they spend redirecting anyone they disagree with to /v/ or reddit or wherever into their posts this place would suck a lot less.
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>>119952034
Not really. Show dogs were inbred for a long time to select desired traits and ended up with a ton of unexpected side problems. The problem is that gene expression is still not completely understood. There isn't always a one-to-one correspondence between genes and traits, in most cases it is one-to-many or many-to-one. In some cases, expression only happens due to factors during pregnancy or due to factors during early childhood. Also, there is a certain degree of entropy built into the system that requires "refreshing" from non-similar sources. The whole reason we die "naturally" is because our cells can only divide a finite number of times before copying DNA fails to produce viable cells.

I don't think incestuous relationships are bad any more then I think gay relationships are bad. They have a role to play in preservation of the human race. But those in incestuous relationships should seek to have children alternating between using donor eggs or donor sperm to reduce the risk of problems with inbred children. That's how pack animals do it.
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>>119953281
>>>/v/
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>>119953215
Something tells me that you don't know that the fedora meme was forced on 4chan to get the >>>/reddit/ crowd bootyblasted.
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>>119952992
>SJWs aren't remotely relevant in the western anime fanbase
What is the furor over Cross Ange's first episode for 1200?
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>>119953280
>The latter is openly encouraging the sexualization (and therefore harm) of children, which is wrong and contributes nothing to the marketplace of ideas

Charlie Hebdo's drawings encourage persecution of religious minorites, as found in the third reich or soviet russia, which is wrong and contributes nothing to the marketplace of idea.
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>>119953280
Oh boy here we go again.
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>>119953175

Internet atheists being obnoxious fucks is a good reason why it became a meme, no sane person admits to be an atheist in public anymore
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Fedora spamming is from Reddit.
It comes from /r/cringepics and its mocking r/atheism

Its Redditfaggotry for Redditfags and has no place here at all. It gets banned for a reason.
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>>119953280
>The latter is openly encouraging the sexualization (and therefore harm) of children
>and therefore harm

Get your head out of your ass.
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>>119953281
>>119953314
>>>/v/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/wherever/
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>>119953280
The west wants to Japan to ban loli because it's offensive to them.
The Islamic states want the west to ban Mohammed cartoons because it's offensive to them.
Fuck you, moralfags.
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>>119953314
>posting forced memes
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>>119953244
No, that is atheism.

You're completely misunderstanding what agnosticism is. Agnosticism is a philosophical attitude which denies the ability to know things with certainty. You can be both an atheist agnostic or a theist agnostic.

If you're asked "Do you believe in god?", then you don't answer the question with "I don't know" - this is a yes or no question. If you answer with "No" then you're an atheist.
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>>119953219
I wouldn't care if Christfags are right. I won't respect a faggot like God and I'd gladly burn in hell for it with the rest of my fellow champions of pure love.

I believe in a higher power that helped build the universe, but I'm not religious. This can instantly shut down an argument with a retarded Christfag or the bad kind of atheists.
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>>119953385
Stop trying to deflect how new you are. You obviously haven't been here before /q/ was even a thing.
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>>119953367
You're talking as if atheist is something you choose to be. It just means that you stopped believing in magical space dudes who are all-powerful but hate pork and porking.
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>>119953280
>The latter is openly encouraging the sexualization
That is very dangerous.

Because this can apply to just about every form of entertainment or philosophy.

>action movies are openly encouraging the commission of violence against others, which is wrong and contributes nothing to the marketplace of ideas. Hence it doesn't get protection under free speech and gets outlawed under censorship laws.
>atheist literature are openly encouraging the commission of offensive acts to religious symbols and holy places, which is wrong and contributes nothing to the marketplace of ideas. Hence it doesn't get protection under free speech and gets outlawed under censorship laws.
>drugs in video games are openly encouraging the use of drugs, which is wrong and contributes nothing to the marketplace of ideas. Hence it doesn't get protection under free speech and gets outlawed under censorship laws.
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>>119952255
This post reeks of reddit.
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>>119953391
Right, that's why I'm telling that guy he's a retard for being okay with it. It pulls in that kind of behavior, not repels it.
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>>119953219
If god came down from the sky and shit on my face to prove himself I still wouldn't live by his rules because he's a fucking faggot by his own holy book.
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>>119953280
Charlie Hebdo comics depict something some people find deeply offensive and revolting. They have to tolerate it however because freedom of speech is about tolerating the expression of others even if it hurts your feelings.

It is the exact same thing.
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>>119953418
This is another meme I don't get. Newfags who accuse others of "obviously" being new.
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>>119953149
>>But it's disgusting
Disgust exists for a reason. It serves the purpose of keeping people away from unhealthy things. People just ignore their innate disgust simply for the sake of seeming enlightened and above such things.
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>>119952353
Since you are very retarded, I'll help you out. >>119952243 is saying that you should read the Bible because it's full of incest.
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>>119953371
>raping children isn't harming them

Get your head out of your ass.
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>>119953435

That's not even the point, i'm saying there's a very good reason behind the backlash against atheism in recent years
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>>119952255
>Psh
Nothing personnel kid.
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>>119950026
>incestuous sexual tension

So the writer popped a boner watching siblings innocently take a bath and blames the show for being a perverted bastard?
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>>119953491
Wow faglord, nice jump from "drawings of fictional children" to "child rape."

I guess next time I play a violent video game you should be afraid I'm going to come murder you in your sleep, too.
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>>119952478
Sharia law is batshit crazy and needs to be illegal in every part of the world. I am from middle east, btw.
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>>119953462
This.
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>>119953367
>no sane person admits to be an atheist in public anymore
I do.

>>119953494
>backlash against atheism
I don't really see it. You have a few reactionaries who feel bullied by people on the internet writing mean things about them, but in general there isn't really a backlash.

This might be different in the US though, in Europe there certainly isn't. Being atheist is considered normal here. Religion is something you keep to yourself.
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>>119950026
>kotaku
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>>119953491

OH THINK OF THE FICTIONAL CHILDREN

OH LORD
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>>119953478
Disgust doesn't always indicate unhealthiness. People find pineapple on pizza disgusting, that doesn't mean that pineapple is unhealthy in itself or in combination with pizza. Should their personal taste be forced on others?
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>>119953462
>>119953547
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>>119953544
Try clicking a loli thread sometime. They always admit it's not just a fantasy to them, and they would fuck real little girls if they could. It's only a matter of time until they rape. 2D corrodes the mind
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>>119950026
I don't really care for fanservice to be honest. It doesn't bother me that much but I would prefer it without.

I usually find shows that don't sexualize characters too much to be more enjoyable. The characters tend to need more substance than just relying on making them look just barely naked for the viewer.
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>Richard Eisenbeis
>Eisenbeis
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>>119953491
I tried raping a 2D little girl but got papercuts on my dick, did I do something wrong?
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>>119953491
>murdering people isn't harming them
We have to ban all media portraying people getting killed. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF ALL OF HUMANITY?
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>>119953440
Really it's problem of trying to fight any type of freedom of expression. People often fail to realize that in order to protect the freedom to express yourself in the manner you choose, you have to protect that right for other as well even if disagree with what they're expressing or find it morally reprehensible. I think it Neil Gaiman says it best here http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html , and I'd encourage anyone who considers themselves a defender of freedom of expression, but considers things like lolicon, or incest, not worth defending.
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>>119953494
What backlash? Other than faggots from /pol/ forcing how religious they are because "muh degeneracy"?

Yeah, maybe people are a little more aware that there are atheists that are fucking annoying faggots. Just like there are plenty of religious people who are just as bad or worse with their zealotry.
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>>119953605
[citation needed]
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>>119953605
Would if they could

Just like you would do a celebrity if you could
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>>119953280

>We need to ban violent media, because it makes you violent!
>That's ridiculous! I've never known a real life murderer!

>We need to ban satire of Islam, because it encourages bigotry against religious minorities!
>That's ridiculous! I judge people on a case by case basis!

>Oh yeah, same guy from the latter two opinions here. We need to stop lolicon, because it turns you into a real life pedophile.

Double standards are completely okay when feminism and taboos are involved.

I swear, people's brains just shut down when it comes to criticizing ideas that are associated with any sort of civil movement. There's an old saying: "You're only as strong as your weakest link." As an egalitarian myself, there's nothing more dangerous than letting hypocrisy and ideals that don't match what they claim to represent run unchecked.
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>>119953605
Have you ever been to /k/ or /v/ for general violent thoughts? 4chan is the most politically incorrect place on earth. People talk shit because they know they won't do shit.
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>>119953605
This makes me wonder how common pedophilia is in Japan and how much of it goes unreported due to Japan's hierarchy system. Fuck, apparently it's very common for women in subways to get molested by men wanting a quick squeeze.
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>>119953605
Good job going off the deep end by assuming I've never been in a loli thread and making shit up.
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>>119953605
Well fuck. Thank you for opening my eyes.
The effects of media on human behavior is truly shocking.

We should ban everything shouldn't we? Ban games. Ban TV shows. Ban movies. Ban comics. Ban cartoons. Ban everything.
Shit. We should ban 4chan as well. /a/ in particular.
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>>119953605
The fact that some paedophiles use lolicon as a substitute does not mean everyone with a lolicon fetish cares about 3DPD kids.
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>>119953617
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>>119950862
LMAO not even this guy but 6 replies and none of them of people with siblings

TOPKEKM8
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>>119953605
You see this fucking shit? This is exactly why faggots who actually want to fuck 3D little shits should be forced out. I told you this is exactly what kind of shit those shit taste subhumans would result in.
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>more guns give rise to more murder
Here's a healthy dose of NRA

>violent films give rise to violent actions
Here's a healthy dose of Hollywood and FREEDOM

>2D cartoons will give rise to child rape
HOLY HELL WHY DIDN'T I REALIZE THIS SOONER. BAN THAT PIECE OF SHIT
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Does it really matter in the end? The reviewer liked Tsuki
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>>119953672
>The effects of media on human behavior is truly shocking.
>implying that media does not affect human behavior
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>>119953657
>because it turns you into a real life pedophile.

The worst part of this statement is that you said "pedophile" but this is already equated to "child rapist" in most peoples' minds, whether they act on it or not.

All hail the thought police.
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>>119951355
Everyone who has a little brother would strongly disagree and beat up the mangaka.
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>>119950026
Western community is kind of hanged up onto an non-existing ideal of "clever viewer". I mean, if you watch show with fanservice and complain about fanservice then you are retarded. Generally, you ought merit a show on a basis of what it's actually trying to accomplish. Wanting philosophical overflowing from comedy is stupid. Also, open-minded people can enjoy many different things for what they are worth it.

> daily reminder that Yukimura Makoto loves moe anime and manga
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>Should You Watch It? Yes.
>The Gundam SEED universe takes all the best from the U.C. Gundams and updates them for a modern audience. It is the perfect Gundam gateway drug and what you like or dislike in the C.E. timeline can be used to gauge which other Gundam series you will enjoy.
>It's a story with no dull moments and is perfectly paced from beginning to end. The characters are interesting, realistic, and will have earned a place in your heart long before the final credits roll.
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>>119953720
Who cares it's from a shit review on a shit site.
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>>119953667
Okay, this is politically incorrect as fuck, but some women do get off on rape fantasies, and chikan is the closest reasonably safe thing there is to it. Some women /do/ want it. I'd also want it.
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>>119953724
Human beings are impressionable as fuck. We are constantly molded by our environment. That's why cultures can differ so greatly and why human history is so vivid and varied. The belief that human beings have a set of core values within is bullshit. We're just glorified holes for information to mold us. We are bred to adapt, and in order to adapt, we must absorb all information there is.
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>>119953735
I'll remove my limbs and have my brother carry me around 24/7. It won't matter if I say I fap to loli. Now it's literally impossible for me to be a danger to anyone's children.
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>>119953491
I tried raping a 2D loli, but I got papercut.
I tried raping a lolicon, but I realized I don't like anal sex with men.
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western fans are dumb and mostly casuals
that's why japan doesn't give a fuck about your opinions
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>>119953789
But you're RAPING THEM WITH YOUR MIND
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>>119953749
I have a little brother and a little sister. I masturbate to shota incest. I guess I have the rare talent of separating fiction from reality.
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>>119952847
>Y-you just hate it because it's cooler than you! Y-you just hate it because you're not popular!
>Implying you are popular.
>Implying you're in the majority and SJWs are the minority.
>Implying anime is popular and mainstream to begin with.
>Angry that videogames are becoming extremely mainstream and popular and misogyny is headed out the door.
>ERHMEGERD IS HAPPENING TO ANIMU NOW

A classic libtard mentality. Instead of focusing on actually substantive issues, lets talk about the fantasy of your little group being persecuted by prejudiced SJWs. Please go back to reddit.
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Fanservice is shit and I would prefer it didn't exist, incest or no.
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>>119953765
The point is that it invalidates what the OP is trying to say.
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>>119953770
>Okay, this is politically incorrect as fuck
noone cares.
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>>119953789
Will you also have your brother fap you? pls it's important
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>>119953807
This made me laugh harder than it should have.
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>>119953801
All hail otaku. They eternally have shit taste, but they keep their shit the way they want it.
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>>119952016
Don't give anyone ideas.
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>>119953605

>Source: My ass
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>>119953801
But japs are full of shit taste so your comment is invalid.
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Why is everyone in this thread talking as if they aren't Westerners?
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>>119953839
Actually, plenty of people in 2D loli threads will admit to being pedophiles but will distinctly separate being pedophile and being child rapist.
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>>119953779
>The belief that human beings have a set of core values within is bullshit.
Valuing the young, telling the truth, etc.. All societies do this in some regard.
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>>119953838
Even just that face makes we want to kill it.
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>last name is Eisenbeis
>also SJW
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>>119953811
>implying vidya and animu becoming mainstream is a good thing
>implying there was an issue with misogny in both to begin with
You are a faggot.
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>>119953756
Most manga authors are moefags.
Miura is one of the most well known and he is slowly turning it into moeserk. The punpun's guy love K-on and abe is a kancollefag.

Baka gaijins just cant appreciate art.
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>>119953870
Jokes on you. I'm a filthy SEA monkey.
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Isn't Kotaku a website about video games?

Why are they talking about anime?
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