>Yukino in that shot aside
Looks similar enough to me.
Even worse is the 8man is a gary stu ones
So uhh...I've actually avoided a lot of /a/ recently with a lot of the changing going on and the post quality going down the shitter and what not. Why is there all of a sudden an abundance of Yahari fans on /a/? I'm taking the LNs are part of it, but it doesn't fully add up.
I knew that they were always popular, but the threads barely reached 500 within a day or two when the show aired. The increase in popularity has spiked a bit since I guess. I don't browse often enough anymore to tell.
You can't shitpost your way out of this. Idiots like >>119881629 worship Hachiman and think he's a good character, despite the fact that he's a dime-a-dozen wish-fulfillment Gary Stu.
I really hope that I'll finally understand something when the anime will air because, honestly speaking, I didn't get most of the main plot points and main interactions of volumes 7, 8 and 9. Particularly when Yukino was involved. And waiting for the manga translations takes too much time.
How don't you see it?
Hachiman is a loser outcast, so the audience can identify, yet he's
minds his own business
not anxious for approval
maintains his dignity
always says the right thing
reactive as opposed to proactive
straight man to others' funny man
He's basically Super Nerd. He's the hero that all loser otaku fantasize about being. An otaku doesn't walk home after school everyday fantasizing about being Don Juan; an otaku walks home everyday fantasizing about being this super cool loner who's always in control, isn't weighed down by crushing loneliness, and isn't falling on his spaghetti all day.
A Gary Stu is a fan-fiction term that describes an original character that suddenly becomes the best at everything in the new world he is in. This new character is so good, the whole world basically bends to his will.
>Not liking gary's
i bet you self insert as the girl too you fag
Both normal traits for a loser nerd.
Both normal traits for a loser nerd. Note however, the reasoning does not extend in feelings for other people, which 8man is fucked on like any other loser outcast would be.
>Mind his own business
Sounds like a loser outcast to me
>Not anxious for approval
>Maintains his dignity
Have you ever actually had to deal with a bunch of people who don't like you? Life isn't like some Chinese cartoon, not everybody secretly wants to be loved. If those people don't like you then you usually say "fuck them" if you are anything but a faggot. Not wanting approval from ANYBODY is lying to yourself though, which is part of the plot of Yahari.
>Always says the right thing
>Reactive as opposed to proactive
I feel as if you are trolling with some of these responses. This is not even a positive thing.
>Straight man to others funny man
How do things like this have anything to do with being a Gary Stu?
In his school mandated school uniform.
Anime said he was plain so we assume he is. It's hard to make Chinese cartoon drawings ugly and also marketable.
Nothing you described is particularly an amazing person or some "Gary Stu." Perhaps you should learn what a Mary Sue actually is.
The biggest thing is that he doesn't make a fool out of himself for his own purposes. If he comes off looking bad, it's to help someone else out. That alone is the most unrealistic fantasy in the world.
The reason loser otaku are loser otaku is that they're socially awkward. They want to socialize, but they don't know how to speak without making a fool of themselves. Everything they say and do is creepy, weird, or pathetic.
Characters like Hachiman are a cookie cutter fantasy. They're unpopular guys who are capable of not making themselves look like fools.
So yeah, I know you're going to say, "Well, deep down he really wants human contact", but that's the absolute least of the issue. The big picture is that, if Hachiman were real, he wouldn't be an outcast. He's far too cool for that. He'd have a huge group of friends and a girlfriend.
And he is slowly getting all that because he was introduced to the club, what forced him to act like he did in order to help people, and others noticed that. Without the club he would just sit in the class and imagine himself being a bear.
>muh i'm right
>muh social life
He does make a fool of himself most of the time, remember that most of his classmates don't even remember his name. And the "popular" guys made fun of him several times. He is described as creepy and everytime he smiles someone ends up grossed out
>Both normal traits for a loser nerd.
No, you give too much credit to loser nerds. Loser nerds may not sperg out 24/7, but when engaged, they lose their shit. They can't hold a normal conversation.
>Both normal traits for a loser nerd.
Loser nerds are not passive, nor are most humans in general. A loser nerd will try to make friends and hold conversations, but end up failing and looking like a fool.
>Sounds like a loser outcast to me
It's what loser nerds fantasize about themselves being. In reality, loser nerds always try to talk to other people, then end up being found creepy.
>not everybody secretly wants to be loved
Uh, everyone does want to be loved. As in, 100% of people. Even Hachiman does, but he's not desperate about it, which is what separates him from otaku.
>I feel as if you are trolling with some of these responses. This is not even a positive thing.
Being a straight man is a sign of maturity. In comedies, the funny man is the guy who does wacky and outlandish thing, while the straight man is the mature guy who's always at wit's end.
Everyone fantasizes about being the straight man, especially otaku.
>How do things like this have anything to do with being a Gary Stu?
In real life, you're the one making a fool of yourself. In your fantasy world, you're sighing as other people around you make fools of themselves.
Quite a nice fantasy, no?
>In his school mandated school uniform.
At least his doesn't have yakisoba stains on them.
>Anime said he was plain so we assume he is.
He's attractive enough to have pretty girls want him.
Ayy, m8, no need to be upset. I'll just say this
its an very emotional chapter
What bothers me isn't that he's unrealistic. What bothers me is that faggots like you and >>119881629 think he's some great original character.
Admit that he's a generic character.
Admit that he's a Gary Stu.
Neither of those things means you can't like him, but if you can't see that Hachiman is the same type of character as dozens and dozens of other cool blooded straight man schoolboys, then you're new to anime.
>Loser nerds are not passive, nor are most humans in general. A loser nerd will try to make friends and hold conversations, but end up failing and looking like a fool.
And then not try anymore, like 8man.
>It's what loser nerds fantasize about themselves being. In reality, loser nerds always try to talk to other people, then end up being found creepy.
False, some people just give up and stop caring. Caring about trying, that is. It's really common.
>Uh, everyone does want to be loved. As in, 100% of people. Even Hachiman does, but he's not desperate about it, which is what separates him from otaku.
100% of people do not secretly want to be loved by people that don't like them and treat them like shit.
>Being a straight man is a sign of maturity. In comedies, the funny man is the guy who does wacky and outlandish thing, while the straight man is the mature guy who's always at wit's end.
I grew up wanting to be like Onizuka and super robot pilots. Not everybody wants to be the straight man. It's not a sign of maturity to not be able to make others laugh and to take thigns too seriously.
>In real life, you're the one making a fool of yourself. In your fantasy world, you're sighing as other people around you make fools of themselves.
You sound like a burnt out chuuni nerd.
>He's attractive enough to have pretty girls want him.
Welcome to anime enjoy your stay.
>No really guys, 8man is the most original character Japan's ever made! You'd know that if you read the LNs. See, he's this school boy, but he's not boisterous or outgoing. In fact, he's totally passive and reactive! Isn't that so original? And he always squints his eyes and has this exasperated look on his face. Have you ever even heard of a character doing that? And get this, get this! All these wacky characters are always trying to get him to do stuff, but he'd rather just float through life and act like an old man, rather than a normal teenager! That's just so original and unique, the fact that a main character could be such a straight man like that!
>when engaged they lose their shit
no, they usually stay quiet because they don't know how to hold a conversation
>loser nerd will try to make friends and hold conversations
no, they'll usually stay to themselves because they've tried that, failed, and know better
not in my experience
>everyone wants to be loved
some people just want to be left alone, mostly people who are spurned their entire lives, like loser nerds
speak for yourself, and stop generalizing
>a nice fantasy
nigger, hachiman goes out of his way to make people hate him so he can fix problems faster, because that's the only way he knows how, he doesn't "sigh as other people around him make fools of themselves"
>have pretty girls want him
wow it's like appearance isn't the only thing affection takes into consideration
It's more likely that it's one guy posting from his computer and his cellphone. The same guy who's been doing this shit in these threads for the last few months.
It's still nothing compared to the shit some of the generals on /vg/ get with their dedicated retards.
>What bothers me is that faggots like you and >>119881629 think he's some great original character
Are you an autist or something?
Why the fuck would you care about what people on an anonymous imageboard think about a fictional character? Does it keep you up at night, knowing that there are people who disagree with you?
>nigger, hachiman goes out of his way to make people hate him so he can fix problems faster
For the sake of others. It's a fantasy.
>Otaku try to fix their own problems and end up looking like a fool and being hated.
Gary Stu fantasy:
>Gary Stu fixes other people's problems by making himself look like a fool and get hated.
How is any of this hard to understand?
I like the "Zaimokuza is the only good person"fag a lot more than this guy. At first, I thought he was autistic; but, then I realized he was the Zaimokuza.
>replying to anyone but Zaimokuzafag
>In fan fiction, a Mary Sue or, in case of a male character, Gary Stu is an idealized character, often but not necessarily an author insert and/or wish-fullfillment.
Fits the the bill to a T.
>Does it keep you up at night, knowing that there are people who disagree with you?
Yes, it does.
A non-trivial number of /a/nons are taking one of the most generic wish-fulfillment characters in anime and raising him up as an original character.
What is wrong with all of you?
Haven't you ever read a story where a hero sacrifices himself for others?
No one actually wants to do that, but they fantasize about being that type of hero nonetheless.
>A non-trivial number of /a/nons are taking one of the most generic wish-fulfillment characters in anime and raising him up as an original character.
There has been only one person who said that
And it's you
I'm just saying that real life can give us information on why a fictional character exists.
Characters like Hachiman were not written in a vacuum. They were written to play to a specific audience.
It's a common fantasy for outcasts to be an outcast, but somehow smarter, better, and more dignified than anyone else.
A nerd doesn't fantasize about being captain of the football team. A nerd fantasizes about be secret agent, code name N.E.R.D.
He's wish-fulfillment because he's a loser who isn't falling on himself all day, like losers in real life do.
I'm not bothered that he's a wish-fulfillment character. I'm bothered that you can't see that he is.
Seriously, I started this thread just because of the comparison with the other show and I get Gary Stu bullshit on my thread?
You reap what you sow
and it's in Summer
I don't think of it as wish fulfillment because it's something anyone can do.
Anyone can point out the all walk no talk bitch. Anyone can make the entire class hate them. Anyone can read books every break and pretend to be a genius that's misunderstood. There's a "wish" part of wish fulfillment you're missing, and that's the part where it's near unachievable.
he's not even a loser nerd though, he's just an unlucky mild misanthrope
it's not like he has some social disease, he just picked the wrong cards at the wrong time
and stop projecting, not every loser nerd needs to be exactly like you
So I watched the show a few months ago but never bothered with the threads, are they always full of shitposting? I don't see how could people be dense about this show.
I guess that makes sense, thanks.