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/a/, how do we fix harem anime?
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Female protagonists.

Sora no Method had the right idea, it just needed to be less subtle about it.
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Never make any more
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>>119859189
More dere girls, less romance drama.
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>>119859220
you mean reverse harems?
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Have the guy actually fug the girls
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>>119859189
Simple, by not doing love hina esque?
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>>119859272
>>119859253
these
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>>119859253
>most harems
>drama in any sense of the word

that's rich
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>>119859189
More dragons
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>>119859189
More lolis and good tsunderes

More yanderes too
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More focus on side characters/sunohara and their own romance.
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make it an actual harem

set in the middle east and everything
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>>119859189
Stop making the male a beta little bitch who gets embarrassed at everything like an autist.
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>>119859256
No. Female protagonists with harems full of cute girls.

It would save both harem AND yuri at the same time.
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Remove it all together
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>>119859289
From last season, Ushinawarete and Daitoshokan both had way too much drama in it.
Didn't even finish Vanadis.
I actually liked Trinity Seven's drama, since it wasn't focused on romance bullshit.
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>make all of them lolis
>make all of them traps
>make all of them reverse traps
>make all of them Christmas cakes
>yuri harem that's actually yuri and harem
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>>119859392
>Ushinawarete
>too much drama
You mean too much QUALITY and not enough Ken-sama.
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>>119859189
Add gay sex
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>>119859316

The first one, mostly
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>>119859272
>>119859423
add a male character into said harem and have the MC marry and fuck them all including the guy
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>>119859316
>>119859433
Make the loli the winner
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More cooperative harems where the girls are all actually friends, as opposed to focusing solely on their quest for the D. At least recently, Rokujouma did this really well.
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>>119859473
This was one of the parts that upset me in Inou battle.

No, you little autist, unpopular girl winning in a harem is nowhere near as unpredictable as an actual kid winning. God.
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>>119859505
Also the MC needs to be interesting or at least entertaining. Can say all you want about only watching harems for the girls, but the MC has far more screentime than any other character. Shit MCs bring the whole show down.
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>>119859707
I want more MCs like Arata.
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>>119859189
We don't, anime is perfect.
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>>119859657
But Tomoyo a best and a winner, she's popular.
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>>119859189
go back in time and kill akamatsu.
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>>119859189
>Love Hina started harems
>MC in love hina actually chooses a girl

why can't more harems do this?
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Stop watching it.
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Have a vote to decide to wins
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>>119859189
Just include full harem endings instead of picking a girl
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>>119859866
>Love hina started harem
This what normalfag actually believe
Please go back to >>>/v/ or >>>/anywherebuthere/
The answer is cringe worthy enough.
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No 1 dimensional characters.
Focus on all shown characters, no overbearing violent tsuneres, do them more like Tomoyo from Inou Battle.
1 yandere character but not 100% crazy just Ayase crazy.
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>>119860025
Love Hina didn't start harem
but a lot of harems do seem like clones of it (and didn't even get that right).

I say less LH-clones and more Tenchi-clones
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>>119860197
Ken akamatsu art style is good and he create ai ga tomaranai. Ai ga tomaranai ending is typical harem ending. That's why at first the Love hina is famous harem genre because ken akamatsu first works is harem. Honestly love hina is a clone of ranma. There is nothing special about it. Its just the hype/overrating and the art of negima is one of the top one in harem manga.
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Remove male protagonist.
Problem solved.
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Harem anime needs to learn to be funny and still do writing well.

Completely 1 dimensional characters are a crippling weakness. It worked out for a while and spawned some funny anime here and there but it just wont cut it forever. 'Dense MC' is a super common and super effective example of this shit being at it's worst.

For example Ichika from Infinite Stratos is, apparently, 90% fucking sexually and emotionally dead.

Yeah, he gets embarrassed and blushes and spills spaghetti. People aren't that simple though. It doesn't just work like that. It makes no sense that a guy his age surrounded by beautiful women who all want to support him wouldn't fall in love and have an interest in one himself. Ichika should have died of blue balls over all the abuse he's been put through at the very least. How he manages to dodge developing a romantic attachment is silly.

It also makes no sense that aside from humor it seems like his character has 0 leanings when it comes to what he likes from the girls. He's completely free of fetishes and desires of that nature whenever it's not a siscon joke it seems. Come the fuck on. At least make it an interesting one. Infinite Stratos would be more entertaining by far if Ichika had turned out to be a closet sadist.

There is plenty wrong with how typical harem tropes go for the girls too but if the MC is bad than the girls being shit just makes sense.
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>>119860197
Rarely anybody replicating typical random comedy like love hina. Lot of typical harem involve drama. Love hina typical harem rooted from lum and ranma both of rumiko takahashi famous harem manga. That's nothing new or just recycle old idea,though.
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No betas, more Alphas. Less Self-Inserting in the process
Stop the first girl introduction by introducing ALL the girls in a single scene and then introduce more characters if need be
More focus on side characters such as best friends getting with one of the girls in the harem
More true harem endings
If a character is going to be tsundere, there needs to be a valid reason as to why she's being tsun. Most authors decide to give them the "anti-social, putting up walls excuse", this is fine but other things can be used.
Remove deredere entirely
Give the loli a chance to be the love interest
Give the cake/milf a chance to be the love interest
Stop making Japan the only setting
Stop making adaptations if you're not going to follow them fully
Stop authors from pandering to otakus who want a certain character to win
Add a chubby girl in the mix
Add more traps
Less drama, more fun. Save the drama for the ending
Add a yuri couple in the background
Give MC a unique trait that makes him special
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>>119860197
of course normalfag wouldn't understand and just keep repeating the buzzwords and that's nothing new.
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>>119859461
This.
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>>119860669
>Remove deredere entirely
Stopped reading there.
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>>119859189
- remove stupid romance stereotypes
- give a good characterization to every girls
- show how their lives don't revolve/aren't turned upside-down by the MC because he's so awesome
- give closure and show how the other girls go on in their life
- don't throw supernatural elements in it because it's cool

You know what almost looks like a harem and is done right? Hourou Musuko.
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>>119860734
Enjoy your single dimensional characters
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>>119860473
>the art of ken akamatsu is one of the top harem manga at that time.
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>>119860734
>He likes deredere
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More fanservice
Make more shows omnibus
More lolis
Less nudity
Smarter MCs
Ara ara milfs only
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>>119859866
>MC has actual growth
>His harem is interesting
>They force him to do weird appropriate stuff depending on their archtype
>The gags are well written
>It pans out well

verus modern harem
>MC is dense as fuck
>Sheenigans are shitty
>Make cool girls, but do nothing to make their interaction good
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>>119861062
You should read Umi no Misaki for good romance harem,m8.
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>>119859220
>Female protagonists.

Iono the Fanatics anime when?
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>>119861062
>Negima
> Good
If negima was good. The fanbase would not full of normalfag that know too little.
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>>119860954
>Make more shows omnibus
There's not really point in a harem then to be honest
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>>119860669
These are all really bad suggestions. You should feel really bad.
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>>119862116
Please do explain as to why these are bad, if you got nothing then I'm not going to take you seriously.
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Make all harem MCs Muslim. All the girls are dere. If they get out of line they're beheaded.
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>>119859189
Make him pick a girl at the end of the series.
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>>119861366
Negima isn't even harem. Its shounen with harem somewhere in the background.
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>>119859272
Fugging isn't allowed in Japan. That's why they're dying off.
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>>119859189
Make the MC interesting and unique instead of an self insert doormat. But then you'll make the average harem fan feel threatened and they won't watch it. So you can't.
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>>119860954
>more fanservice
>less nudity
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>>119859189
Can it even be fixed? When something like School days stands out in it's genre you know the genre has to be shit.

I can't even watch Love Hina anymore because it reminds of how identical and boring all other harems are.
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I havent watched a harem anime in awhile, but i always disliked certain harems that have that one main girl everyone knows will win but they throw in the other girls just to make the confession take lomger amd longer to happen. If its harem, let it be ambigious who is gonna win from the beginning.
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>mc can't be "ordinary high school student who just wants to live simple life"
>mc can't be dense
>his harem is male
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Of all the love interests, one is a trap. You don't find out until the end which.
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first person harem
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WE don't do anything. There's nothing WE can do.
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>>119859189
Monogatari has managed to fix every problem they have, effectively transcending the genre
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>>119862777
I like this idea

>>119862442
Yes?
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Make the relationships actually progress.
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>>119859189
Everyone wins.
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>>119862308
The ancestor of harem is typical battle shounen harem. Negima is typical battle shounen, it was harem because adopted that. True romance harem was rare except that bring a lot of drama.
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>>119859256
No, futa obviously.
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>>119860669
>>119862116
Actually every single one of those was great minus the traps, unless we talking reverse traps.
But especially the focus of side characters, i always want that bro to get a hook up.

Too bad this will NEVER happen
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>>119864155
I did mean traps, with boypussies of course.
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>>119862848
Which monogatari?
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hardcore pornagraphy
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pair everyone up at the end. Or at least, all the important people.

this solution solves the problem of the MC being awful and dragging the show down, because it demands other male characters to be created.

it also lets more girls "win", as they discover their true love was not the MC, just because he saved her from a car that one time, but rather the other dude who is actually interested in her and not tied up in some bullshit childhood-friend-promise like the MC is.

you ever seen a musical? everybody gets married at the end. sometimes even the male and female choruses are implied to be getting married. pairing up is wonderful.

one girl winning and the rest just "being happy for her" is awful
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more dinosaurs
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you cant
it will always be the same shit
always the same archetypes
always the same beta fuck MC who somehow gets every girl to love him
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>>119859327
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>>119860954
>More fanservice
you have me

>less nudity
then you lost me
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>>119859189
It doesn't need fixing. Just more lolis and fun with a cool premise.
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>>119859189
Loli or old woman win.
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Far too often the MC is the worst part of the show and is asexual.
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Archetypes and cliche's are fine, but the problem is that they can become really bogged down by key elements in a show. Take a page from Tenchi Muyo. Tenchi is the densest mother fucker to ever exist, he's so dense he's a literal singularity wrought out of sheer improbability that has three conceptual deities on his dick. That is dense. But you don't really feel it watching Tenchi Muyo, because for the most part the harem aspect of the harem series focuses on the harem itself, rather than male protagonist. Tenchi and his status as some combination of Luke Skywalker, King Arthur and Neo combined don't really have much baring on the harem or the show itself. If you have cute girls that play well with one another you can shove the plot and MC-kun to the side and still have an enjoyable series.
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Stop making it a light magic fantasy school battle setting every god damn time
jesus christ don't the nips ever get sick of this shit
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>>119859343
You should read more VNs. They actually got a reason why grills fall in love with them.
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>>119870369
Tenchi isn't dence, he's either
1) Worried about other shit
2) In the middle of trying not to get mixed up in shit
3) Doesn't give a fuck

Tenchi's pretty aware of Ryoko's advances, but they usually come in the middle of moments like
1) After fighting her and his school being blown up
2) Being trapped on Ayeka's ship
3) He's trying to change his clothes.
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>>119870645
That doesn't change the fact that he is dense. He has more than enough downtime with a house full of waifus across multiple continuities to either fug or say "no, I don't wanna fug". That is dense.
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There's no fixing it.
Or at least not in the sense of trying to pretend like you've got a running plot going on, because everything about the harem is the anti-thesis of development.

I'm sick of seeing these bitches at each others throat for the cock of some jackass and then pretending like they're all actually friends. Enough of that horseshit, just have them tolerate each other's company for whatever reason.

ACTUALLY bother having a relationship form at the end, and for good reason too. None of this open end coward horseshit, you make something happen, damnit.

Don't make a "main" girl, or "first girl", because then it jut becomes obvious who the winner is, and then you quickly realize that everything else is fucking pointless foreplay.

Fuck, I hate harem series.
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its simple make more anime like school days so the shit genre dies
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>>119859189
We adapt Monster Musume to anime, OP.

/thread
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Actual harem series with development into happy family type harems. Fuck bowls.
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>>119860669
>More focus on side characters
>More true harem endings
>More valid reasons to be tsundere
>Give the cake a chance to be the love interest
>Less drama, more fun
>Add a yuri couple in the background

>>119862116
Nothing wrong with any of these things. Now watch you fucking retards call me a yurifag just because I said one little thing positive about yuri even though it's explicitly in the background where it can't bother any self-insertfags and means more cute girls in a show.

And saying more harem ends are a bad idea in a genre literally fucking named HAREM? Kill yourself.
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>>119859220
>>119859366
Making the MC a girl replaces the stupid male protagonist with a stupid female protagonist. The only difference cute girls. Yuri should die as anime anyways if it's not going to fucking innovate to entertain audiences and just limit itself to stupid fucking SoL subtext drama in the same piece of shit 3Dshit world highschool setting.
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>>119859189
>barely anyone mentions actual harems or properly developed harem end

You misguided faggots should be ashamed. All of you.
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Kill the idea of "main girl". I cannot fucking stress this enough.
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>>119860669
>Remove deredere entirely
And you were doing so decently too.
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>>119875312
Derederes are worse than bipolar tsunderes, they don't deserve love.
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Immediately begin euthanizing anyone who starts their story with "here I am at the magical academy". This shit seriously needs to end.
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>>119859189
Was love hina harem?

Keitaro had his eyes on Naru from the start

That said, this is the case with many "harems"
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>>119875382
Tsunderes are the absolute worst archetype unless you're a masochist, they really shouldn't exist.
Derederes are pure love, and they deserve all the love they give.
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>>119875176
that, waifuism, subtext, and shipping all have nothing to do with the actual series and more about fans gonna fan

Only way the series can do their part in stopping "best girl" wars is by making all girls so perfect arguing about whose the most perfect is a waste of time.

In other words, remove tsunderes
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>>119875547
Felt like the author was trying to copy both Maison Ikkoku and Ranma/Tenchi and merge them but the result was mediocre.
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>>119875708
Really Love Hina isn't much like either of them.

I mean I guess LH and MI have an apartment setting, but otherwise they really have not much alike.
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>>119875795
Yeah, I kinda did only mean the apartment setting in regards to Maison Ikkoku.
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Either make the series so ambiguous on who the MC is going to hook up with in the end yet make the final result understandable in the context of their development.

Or have a harem end with the MC fucking all of them

or a yuri harem
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>>119875931
Harem end is only good if it makes sense and has buildup. I say this as a passionate lover of it.
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>>119875601
>Derederes are pure love, and they deserve all the love they give.
Not if you see how one dimensional they are, they are nothing but waifubait. Whenever they appear in any harem, their love for the MC is often shallow. They are a waste of time and are not interesting in the slightest.

>>119875702
Tsunderes are not always the main girl
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A harem but each member is actually a reincarnation of a god who the MC has to wake up and guide them back to their status so that the world can be saved from some other bullshit gods trying to claim a stake in the forgotten territory. Each god is a super obscure one from the real world like ishtar or something.

A harem but all of the members are tomboys representing a different sport in the school and the MC is a natural athletic prodigy who is desired by each of the girls for their own clubs. He eventually sees them for the lying bitches they are and goes full /fit/.

A harem where all the haremettes are yanderes who have simultaneously fallen in love with MC. One is a childhood friend, the other is an oujo-sama, third is the russian transfer student weightlifter, fourth is his CC brown teacher. He has to find a way to balance their affections with their tendency to violently lash out against being ignored.

A harem where all the members are actually the MC who he projects onto the world from his own mental issues. Each one represents another one of his facets and as the series goes on he slowly grows more and more insane which is reflected in each of the members becoming more obssessive and violent towards him and others.

An intergalactic harem where each member is actually an alien representing their species on a quest to acquire a human specimen for experimenting. MC is singled out because he's special and some shit and has to fight each of the harem members to keep his freedom. They die on the way back to their home planets.

A wacky scientist decides to create his perfect robot waifu and does so by creating an entire group of them and programming them to compete for his virginity. Whoever manages to win gets to stay alive and becomes the perfect waifubot. The true protagonists are the robots who want to keep living but need his approval to do so.

Monstergirl harem but not shit.
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You don't. Harem is nothing but a self-insert "every girl wants me!" fantasy

It's fucking terrible from the start. Maybe make it better by not having the harem shit being the main plot and it just going along with a proper story. Most plots in harem are fairly fucking terrible though, so it's not much help.

I don't know. Make it funnier?? Most people enjoy comedy shows. But if you do this, do it without using the same generic jokes and humor. There's just a lack of originality in harem.

Also, destroy the ambiguous end. I honestly would prefer to have just one chosen than a bullshit "nothing fucking happened" ending. Literally nothing is accomplished

Harem end I think is the terrible end that the terrible harem concept deserves. It's a fantasy right? Why push monogamous tendencies in HAREMS? It's a fucking terrible idea, so give it the proper ending. The inconsistency annoys me.
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People keep dissing LH but at least LH had character development, something that most harem series don't have.

That and the harem weren't after his cock from the word go. Even with harems before LH that was kinda the case.
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>>119875996
>Tsunderes are not always the main girl
Yeah but they're almost always the worst girl.
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Make every girl the best girl.
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>>119875991
Though the whole point of a harem is to experience the wish-fulfillment of being surrounded by hot people of the opposite sex.

so might as well don't hold back on that.
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>all these people that don't want betas
Fuck you alphas go watch some hollywood action flick if you want to see your precious Tom Cruise acting all alpha. Thank god it's Otakus who decide what's made and not you guys or else anime would just be Western TV and movies, but animated.
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>>119876199
Hollywood doesn't have harems dipshit

and even if it did the harem wouldn't be attractive at all what with the whole 3D thing.
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>>119876199
>wanting betas
Faggot self inserter detected. You're pathetic you know
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>>119876106
I disagree because the fun part about tsunderes is the fact that you have to figure out what makes them "tick". While trying to figure them out, you find yourself getting attached to them. They often have the best facial expressions and they are helpless when it comes to love. It makes bullying them seem appealing.
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>>119876339
It also makes them cute

People overreact to "abuse"
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>>119876258
So what?
If you don't like it then don't watch, it's obviously not made for you.
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>>119876367
From what I've seen, people that bitch about abuse of any kind are or were abused themselves. They project their inner feelings and it makes me giggle.

I like you anon
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