>>119781185 Evangelion isn't some fine art that only people who know the craft of the medium can appreciate; it's considered an anime you'd watch in highschool alongside Cowboy Bebop and FLCL for a reason. Besides, most people who claim Evangelion is the greatest thing ever haven't even seen Gunbuster.
>>119781576 ABSOLUTE KINOGRAPHY 1. Человек c киноаппаратом (1929, Dziga Vertov) 2. Суд народов or Sud narodov (1947, Yelizaveta Svilova) 3. Новоcти дня (1954, Dziga Vertov) 4. Berlin: Die Sinfonie der Großstadt (1927, Walter Ruttmann) 5. Symphonie diagonale (1924, Viking Eggeling)
CINEMA 1. Mulholland Dr. (2001, David Lynch) 2. Voskhozhdenie (1977, Larisa Shepitko) 3. Showgirls (1995, Verhoeven) 4. The Birth of a Nation (1915, D. W. Griffith) 5. Eyes Wide Shut (1999, Stanley Kubrick)
FILM 1. Bee Movie (2007, Steve Hickner, Simon J. Smith) 2. 黒い河 (1957, Masaki Kobayashi) 3. Höstsonaten (1978, Ingmar Bergman) 4. Dog Star Man: Part I (1962, Stan Brakhage) 5. À bout de souffle (1960, Jean-Luc Godard
MOVIES 1. Le voyage dans la lune (1902, Georges Méliès) 2. Yôjinbô (1961, Akira Kurosawa 3. Offret (1986, Andrei Tarkovsky) 4. Edge of Tomorrow (2014, Doug Liman) 5. Het Paard van Sinterklaas (2005, Mischa Kamp)
FLICKS 1. Een hagedis teveel (1960, Verhoeven) 2. 七人の侍 (1954, Akira Kurosawa) 3. Mean Girls (2004, Mark Waters) 4. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009, Michael Bay) 5. The Shawshank Redemption (1994, Frank Darabont)
That's where I disagree entirely; there's an entire academia around literature, completely unfounded in the media of anime. I'm someone who notices a direct correlation, however, that the more anime one watches, the more they recognize that Evangelion isn't that great, at least, not deserving of the iconic emblem of what Japanese animation is.
Not to mention, if we're talking about merits of the genre, Evangelion is by no means the first mecha anime to deconstruct or subvert typical mecha tropes; the only remarkable thing it did was to subvert otaku's fantasies.
>>119782734 I want you to give some time to think about why you're critically wrong.
>>119781576 >Hundred Years of Solitude >Low-tier >Gatsby >High-tier >The Sound and the Fury instead of Absalom, Absalom! >No mention of Moby Dick Maybe there is a theme that all these books follow that I'm not picking up, but at first glance it looks like absolute shit
>>119782812 My point was that just because highschoolers enjoy something doesn't mean that it's shit or that someone well-familiar with the medium can't appreciate the work on a deeper level than a highschooler.
You're the one comparing mediums to mediums you fucking hypocrite. Anime is pop culture, it's silly to judge it by the same standards as academic literature or art-house cinema.
>>119783157 >It's not Deep if every explanation by 'art lovers' are the same.
This is affectingly stupid. What constitutes as 'deep' is a highly subjective view placed on the media; not something that innately comes from the work itself.
>>119783204 >You're the one comparing mediums to mediums you fucking hypocrite. Anime is pop culture, it's silly to judge it by the same standards as academic literature or art-house cinema.
Can you explain when I did this?
To put it more into terms that you might understand, here's an analogy; not comparing mediums but to understand the strange phenomenon of how people react to a work: someone who doesn't watch a lot of films boldly claiming that Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction is one of the greatist films.
This is what Evangelion is in the animation medium. They do not know what they're saying. You're focused on the fact that I compared it to highschool, instead of the reality that there is a crafted opinion and there is a novice opinion. Evangelion is great for those who are relatively new to the field of anime because it's more of a popular icon than anything. Yes, Evangelion subverted tropes with its characters, but at the end of the day, it's not as complex or deep as a novice would think.
>>119783654 The point isn't in thinking Gunbuster is good or bad, you twit. It's in understanding how Anno writes his characters, his world and his universe. Evangelion is essentially a spiritual successor to Gunbuster.
>>119783613 >Can you explain when I did this? My bad, you're not comparing mediums to mediums. You're judging anime not as a product of pop culture but as a means of artistic expression and creativity. That is even dumber.
>You're focused on the fact that I compared it to highschool You said something dumb and I called you out on it, deal with it nerd.
*yawn*... Anyone else tired of this intellectually bankrupt board, and their childish drivel Perhaps we should start our own discussion general for discussing superior and stimulating anime *swishes ice cubes on merlot glass*
>>119783856 Gunbuster wasn't originally conceived or written by Anno. The story was first conceived by Okada, Yamaga wrote the screenplay, then Anno threw it out and in the end the storyboards were drawn without a screenplay. It was a huge mess and this kind of shit is why you can't judge anime as a single person's creative vision.
Serial Experiments Lain, Ghost In the Shell, Spirited Away, Akira, Cowboy Bebop, Wolf's Rain, Revolutionary Girl Utena... that's off the top of my head. The only NGE related thing that an "art lover" could even give two shits about if they weren't into anime in general is End of Evangelion, which there's a good chance of them just finding pretentious anyway.
Hahahahaha, oh god, that literature selection. If as if some guy just wanted to choice whatever seemed the most cultured with out actually reading anything. If a book more boring and repetitive than the Borthers Karamazov was ever made I must had missed it, If it hadn't been made by Dotoevsky people wouldn't have given it a second look.
Can't tell about the rest of the chart though, I don't I watch much tv or movies.
>>119783157 >>119782867 'Deep' is overrated. If it's interesting and convinces the spectator, it's good. It doesn't need twisted symbolism that you can only get after the 20th watch. That's part of the reason Fukumoto's mangas are great, he directly tells you interesting stuff.
For burgerland, anything a notch above of Hot dog eating competitions and Michael Bay is considered refined art So shitty shows like The wire are hailed as masterpieces over there, i'm yet to see a single thread where a burger doesn't uses it as example of quality TV shows
Their minds would probably get blown just from watching what yuros watch everyday in theaters
>>119785122 There's a difference, the same way comics or graphic novels, with that said I believe that yes you could call everything movie related a movie, and you could call anything related to comics a comic book. But It's also another way to call a movie, for example a summer blockbuster or a cash-grab movie it's a flick(the amazing spider-man 2), a normal criminal thriller it's a movie(Prisoners), a film it's a little higher(The deer hunter) and cinema (the sacrifice).
>>119782812 >the more anime one watches, the more they recognize that Evangelion isn't that great, at least, not deserving of the iconic emblem of what Japanese animation is.
>, if we're talking about merits of the genre, Evangelion is by no means the first mecha anime to deconstruct or subvert typical mecha tropes; the only remarkable thing it did was to subvert otaku's fantasies.
>>119785426 that's much better, could agree on that. It's still impossible though to draw a line between "cinema" and "film" it's much easier to just create a director tier list, if you believe in auteur theory, anyways
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