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Is there ANY anime that explores themes as good as Planetes? Is there any moment more amazing than pic related?

Planetes explores the most unique themes I have ever seen in anime, and there's so much to think about once it's over. I know I'm dickriding it pretty hard, but can this show even be objectively criticized?
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>>119736937
>Is there ANY anime that explores themes as good as Planetes?
You're going to have to be more specific here
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Kodomo no Jikan explores themes as good if not better than Planetes, the moment with the cranes is better than that.
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Its really a DEEP show
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>>119737144
Okay, I guess deep and unique themes, 'deep' as it explores the implications of stuff we take for granted, eg. space exploration causing poverty and suffering, eventually being the catalyst for terrorism. Also explores the implications of life in space, eg. that 12 year old girl who looks like an adult. Generally, shit that isn't simple and obvious and has great emotional impact.
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It's pretty deep too.
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moot pls go
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>>119737333
>space exploration causing poverty and suffering
>space exploration being the catalyst for terrorism

You fucked up really hard if that's all you got from Planetes. Space is just a setting. A convenient setting due to the technological/logistical difficulties of life there, but merely a setting nonetheless.

That said, another title that has similar vibes in many ways (including the "feel") is Wings of Honneamise. I suggest you take a look.

>>119737166
>moment with cranes better than the Tanakan space suit passing the requirements list only to be shut down for political reasons

Sorry bro, you're wrong. Add in the Planetes ascended-ones-tier OST and it blows away KnJ in every way.
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>>119736937
>can the show objectively be criticized?

Of course. Every show has faults. Personally, I feel like they went a little bit overboard in establishing Tanabe as a "naively believes in love" archetype because she was extremely annoying for the first half-dozen episodes until they dialed it back a little bit.

The entire moon ninjas episode was superfluous and arguably added nothing of value to the show except a "breather" period of humor between serious shit going down, but I would have preferred to ride the srsbsns train the entire way through.

Additionally, their hamfisted attempts at forcing INTO as the "evil we can't live without" role and constant harping about how shitty 1st world countries treated the poor 3rd world countries who "just needed a fair chance" was mildly annoying.

Those issues, as a whole, are very minor compared to the spectacular job they did with hard sci-fi realism. When was the last time you saw an anime (or movie for that matter) set in space where external shots are actually SILENT (because vacuum)?

Well done hard sci-fi gets my dick harder than diamond ore, and Planetes provided that in spades.

Sorry for rambling, it's one of my favorite shows and one of the few I own multiple physical copies of.

>yuu copi?
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>>119738461
I'll also add that the Anime end was actually better than the Manga end, imo. In the anime they hooked up for clear reasons. In the manga, they hooked up for no real reason (nothing better to do?) and it felt like there was much less closure.

Aight, I'm done now. Enjoy Honneamise, OP.

If you're willing to put up with more "fiction" elements in your sci-fi, Starship Operators is another excellent show from the standpoint of having highly realistic depictions of space combat.
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>>119738607
Good comments, anon. I'll be watching it Honneamise, you seem like an intelligent guy with great tastes.
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>>119736937
>What is Legend of the Galactic Heroes?
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>>119739135
I must admit, I haven't finished LoGH yet.
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>>119739135
OP here, yeah, I haven't seen that yet. But from my understanding, isn't that a bit more on the political side? Or it is similar to Planetes?
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>planetesuckers
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>>119739213
Much more political.

>>119739285
Moot agreed Planetes is best, don't bother him about it.
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>>119739213

LoGH isn't anything like Planetes. It's a mediocre political thriller set in space.

It's the most overrated piece of media I've ever consumed. Good, but overrated beyond belief. I suspect it's a result of the babbies watching it having next to no experience with anything outside of anime or video games.
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>>119736937
mushishi?
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>>119736937
Kino no Tabi.
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>>119738064
I'm a little sad that we never got to see the anime's version of your image, but I can understand why they dropped the scene. Unlike most people I liked most of the changes, such as Hachi's violent rejection of Tanabe and other people in general being directly to her face rather than aimed at his shadow.
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FMA:B for sure
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Part of that is because Tanabe got about four scenes (not counting the flashback) of development in the manga before they got together, the first two of which being a sudden jump from their first meeting to what we're told is the height of sexual tension. She was essentially a side character until the fourth volume, which was produced after the show had aired and integrated an element or two.
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>>119739679
Yeah, I think the anime did a much better job of telling "their" story.
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>>119736937
I feel like Planetes is the show that deserves the reputation that NGE has for depth. Every time I watch it I come away with something a little different.
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>>119739777
Well that's the thing, the manga was very much his story but somewhere early in development the director and writers decided the show needed to be their story, if not even having a little more focus on Tanabe.
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>>119739897
Yeah, and I think that helped quite a bit from the standpoint of expanding the available situations and interactions with other characters.
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Utena for one. It's a completely different kind of series though.
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I'd say 'Knights of Sidonia', the representation of space is very realistic and while some may dislike the full CG drawstyle I really couldn't care less. It's licensed by Netflix so you can find it there but if not I'm sure it's available as torrent somewhere as well.
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>>119739996
Not to mention that it's the reason the show has the incredible emotional depth it has. We aren't just watching the self-destructive cycle of a man mistaking isolation for strength and dedication, we're seeing the considerable emotional toll it takes on the girl who's gone and fallen in love with him. Hachi's struggle is still more or less at the core of it, but the perspectives we're given are wildly different.
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>>119740281
Mate, where the show is going if it's following the manga at all is straight out of pseudo-realistif sci-fi into sci-fi land, with some worrying dips into super robots in a few places. Still, read the manga.
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>>119736937
Planetes manga and anime are worth all the praise they have received.

The real clincher is how the series in particular builds its scenes. The Tanabe in space with Claire sequence is arguably one of the most emotionally affecting scenes drawn. Everything in that sequence just fits right. Even the dramatic purpose (Tanabe, who doesn't change at all in the show. She's the same person she was the moment she joined debris section) which has Tanabe confront everything central to her person about "love" for others, and have her remain unshaken by the experience.

Sure, Hachi definitely has an arc that the audience follows, but Tanabe in the Anime creates like an arc for the audience.
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>>119740576
Well, Tanabe learnt what it means to hate somebody. Remember her reaction to Hachi mentioning that he decked his friend after finding out about that sightly rape-y outburst?
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>>119740576
She was certainly shaken by the experience, she just managed to stick to her ideals.
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>>119738461
Not just that, but things like the Toybox being backwards when it's approaching the Moon. They don't explain that it's doing a burn to slow itself and get into orbit, but they show it anyway.
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Favorite OST tracks, go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9_GvGYtiuc
I like this one because it's a great combination of all the other aspects of the soundtrack I adore. It has a melancholic serious undertone with a bit of bounce/hope thrown in to represent the adventure that is life in space. It feels like a slice of the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5Q5JbjwW4
No reason needed. Still causes a bit of a choking effect and some eye moisture.

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>>119742014
Poor ninjas...
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>>119742114
That smoking episode was so great
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>>119742142
it really was
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>>119741857
Why is Hitomi Kuroishi so good at milking my tears? First Geass, now this...
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