If you are a student of Yale, Harvard, University of Michigan or University of California, Irvine, read this.
A crucial part of Japanese animation history is here, but the large majority of us can never see it, despite the majority of it being in the public domain.
Most of these films have no other domestic release and are impossible to see online. A few can be found on some video sites in low quality.
More information: http://nishikataeiga.blogspot.ca/2014/12/japanese-art-animation-film-collection.html
The goal is to rip and distribute it. Main options are splitting the cost of one copy (last resort), or ripping a copy available in a university library (Yale, Harvard, University of Michigan, University of California (Irvine)).
I will personally donate/pay anyone attending one of the universities listed above to rip the collection (after it's done of course), if that's the motivation you need.
>While some of these works appear on other compilations, the vast majority of the films on these discs had never been released before in 2004, and many continue to be difficult to find.
They won't enter the public domain in the U.S. until 70 years after the death of everyone involved in the DVD release.
Maybe someone will care for money. I don't mind paying a fraction of the cost of this piece of shit if that can motivate someone.
I won't give up, I want to see muh Wagoro Arai.
The majority of the films themselves are in the public domain. The price is driven up by the cost of research, purchase from collectors, restoration, and possibly licensing fees for the newer works.
I'll send them money on Paypal if they rip it, would be nice to give it a try.
>I will personally donate/pay anyone attending one of the universities listed above to rip the collection
Might as well just save a couple minimum-wage paychecks and buy it yourself. I'm interested, but I don't think you'll get a situation similar to JD Salinger's An Ocean Full of Bowlingballs (or whatever it was called) situation. That was great, though. A few legendary pieces of literature that weren't supposed to be released for like 50 years somehow gets leaked.
There are 12 DVDs, it takes a while to rip all that but it's not that many. The only issue is the time it takes to upload, and it's true people who don't care about this would probably not have the patience to do it.
(Hence offering money)
Why would I pay $3500+ (10%+ proxy fees) when I could send a hundred bucks or so to someone to rip it? Would be decent payment for the time it takes and save everyone trouble.
Try to expand your search options a little bit. Starting with their anime club is better than the rare chance of someone on /a/ attending any of those universities. Dig around for contact info on Facebook and such.
The low mainstream appeal probably drove them to hike the price in order to recoup costs. But it's wrong to assume that the only people who will want to see it will have access to it.
I doubt it's available for check-out, but if there is a viewing room, it could be possible to rip them with a laptop, for example.
I'm pretty sure /a/ is more likely to be interested in this than your typical "anime club", plus there's risk in contacting people directly, but maybe in a pinch.
I still recommend going the anime club route. Otherwise, try to prey on a University thread on /sci/ or /fit/. It's not a matter of being interested, it's a matter of being paid after all.
I'm not OP, but please also ask if it's possible for non-students to enter the library and handle materials. It probably isn't but please ask anyway. I'm headed somewhere around UCI on vacation soon and am willing to see if I can help.
Looks possible to view for anyone and possible to check out for students (with UCI card).
So if a student could help it would be really cool. If you want to make sure whether or not you can enter without being a student, you should probably call them, but it looks fine.
>bad idea, no one will want to pirate in front of everyone else, regardless of the nature of the collection.
They're afraid of CLASS WAR? I scan library books all the time in my uni and upload it free. Free as in Free-fucking-dom.
Jesus Christ Irvine.
One of you has to come up now.
Well, wouldn't you be a bit worried answering some stranger asking your group to pirate him some stuff for money?
They'd probably all refrain.
I'd rather message them individually honestly.
>they have a tinyboard
Well, if private Facebook PMs don't work out, you can always just post there I guess. Probably would have to leave out the money part, though, otherwise someone will get butthurt when someone steps up and claims the money.
OP on BBT forums I read once that seeders often organize money gathering for buying rare material, you might want to ask there as well, if I were you I'd try to buy those DVDs and rip it yourself, because not only there's no risk but most likely they're remastered in better quality.
Universities might be holding the TV broadcast version of some works, even on VHS or LaserDisc in the worst case, that's more complicated to rip and not the best of quality, I'm just speculating though, would be great if they actually had the DVDs.
Good luck OP!
oh and make sure to say you are interested in it rather than you want to distribute it if you haven't done so already since it's more legit to be a student trying to access a very expensive and rare collection for their own benefit than to upload it everywhere.
DVDs are very easy to decrypt, you just need to get the right programs and get the basic configuration down. If anybody is able to rip it, just post here or send an email to the address posted earlier and I will send details on how to rip properly.
What I'm most worried about personally is that people won't feel like uploading 12 whole DVD images or won't be able to due to bandwidth caps or living on campus (network restrictions).
But think about how fucking tedious it is, for both parties.
Of course if someone is willing to go through that I have no problem with it, but I imagine issues like that would turn a lot of people off.
Yes, because I don't want to make new threads just in case something comes up. But if you have a lead or something like that, please let me know in the thread, and keep me updated if there's any progress (thread/email) so I can keep track of what's going on and whether or not I should try to contact other people. I don't want to start messaging individuals or other groups before I know for sure that we're out of options here.
I was under the assumption that this was a Japanese box set, which explains the outrageous price a bit. And it's been pointed out this is likely the first time most of the shorts have seen a home video release.
If they have been officially released then somebody surely already ripped them. If you knew Japanese you could ask on 2ch? Not that I know whether that would be successful at all.
It seems that some people don't understand what this really is about. I thought it was clear from the links I posted, but I will explain anyway.
This is a compilation of films ranging from the 1920s to the 1960s, which are especially hard to find due to the war, fires, quakes, poor maintenance, and so on, that have resulted in the loss of many films. There's also not a whole lot of interest in making these films available domestically in general.
Kinokuniya gathered, restored, bought from collectors, many films, and put them on DVD, in 2004. 95% of the films had never seen a domestic release before. Even today, the majority is only available on this collection. Some films that are available outside of this collection include Oofuji and Masaoka films (save for a couple exclusive to this set), Mitsuyo Seo's Momotarou no Umiwashi, and the Kawamoto and Okamoto films. Most other films that you can see on the Nishikata blog link that I posted in the OP are available in low quality on streaming sites (Niconico), or not at all (most of them).
Some of the most important films here in my opinion are the Animation San-nin no Kai ones, which include otherwise unreleased Kuri Youji films, as well as some films by Yanagihara Ryouhei and Manabe Hiroshi who haven't had any of their work released domestically as far as I know, despite being very important to the development of independent animation with Kuri in the 60s. Aihara Nobuhiro films are also quite rare, some of them are available on collections of Tanaami Keiichi films, but apparently the licensing of Aihara's films is expensive (according to Catherine Munroe, blog's author).
Also very very important are the Toei films, including Koneko no Rakugaki which is available online but in low quality, as well as one of each of Murata, Oofuji and Masaoka films that are nowhere to be found elsewhere, as well as Wagoro Arai's Madame Butterfly Fantasy, Oishi's Ugokie Tori no Tatehiki (though you can find it online at a surprisingly decent quality from TV stream), and finally Mitsuyo Seo works which have never had a good compilation release despite him being a huge influence in animation (and direct influence for Tezuka Osamu among others).
On top of that there are tons of names in there I don't recognize, which is exciting to see when you think you've explored pre-60s Japanese animation as much as possible. It shows there's so much more out there that has become obscure due to a lack of availability. So, I don't want to let this opportunity slip by.
It may be hard to really understand the appeal of such a collection if you aren't interested in and/or don't know anything about Japanese animation history from the very beginning, but hopefully this makes you understand what it is and why people want it.
It is like being taunted with films of your favourite filmmaker, books of your favourite author, or albums of your favourite musician, that were never previously released, and that cost $3000+ to purchase. They might never be released again, and they are only available in some libraries on the other side of the world.
I'm not sure if that was a good explanation at all and it turned out longer than I wanted, but at least I can copy-paste it later.
>which are especially hard to find due to the war, fires, quakes, poor maintenance, and so on, that have resulted in the loss of many films
Small correction, this is mostly an issue for pre-war films, by the 60s obviously they stopped screwing around, but the issue with the 60s films is licensing fees since those aren't public domain. Plus a lot of very old films (mostly pre-war) are kept by collectors, so not only do they have to search for them, but they have to buy the films off the collectors and then possibly restore them. I'm not sure about the whole process they went through for this set, but I think there are more details in this press release:
I actually go to the University of Michigan and would more than likely be able to help out with this project; ripping the discs wouldn't be an issues as such, but uploading the files might prove a bit of an issue seeing as my only internet connection is through the university and monitored. I could put the files on an external HDD and mail them to someone who would actually be able to upload them, if that's a route that could be taken.
However, I'm looking through the Mirlyn catalog right now and I'm not getting any matches in the system for this. I can certainly try to look or make an inquiry with a librarian, but it'd likely be easier to have someone at a different university get a copy.
Can you please send an email to email@example.com ? This way we can coordinate.
I will look for it on their online directories and see if I can find it. Otherwise, please let me know the results of your inquiries.
Also, the World Catalog link is no longer valid. UM may no longer have them.
Yeah, that works, I'd pay for shipping and all in that case.
Would be good to ask a librarian as they should have records of this if they ever had it.
It would be unfortunate if they lost it.
I don't know how inter-library loans work with US universities, so please let me know if that is possible and how it's done.
UM's ILL system is pretty robust from what I understand, so I believe I should be able to get hold of the collection. I can submit the request right away if you like and let you know via email whether or not it goes through as soon as I find out.
Yes, I would appreciate it if you could give it a shot, thank you very much.
At the same time, the Ask a Librarian feature seems to be offline now, but if you get the chance, please ask them if they have any records on the collection, and what happened to it, if anything. It was most likely broken or lost, but you never know.
Here's hoping it works out.
Hmm. So looking into the system a bit more, I don't think I'd be able to get all 12 discs in any reasonably timely manner; each disk in the collection has its own listing, so I'd have to submit 12 separate ILL requests and hope that the disks would all come at some point. To be perfectly frank, this semester is shaping up to be quite busy for me, and though I'd really love to help out with this project, I'm afraid I can't justify getting involved in this knowing that I may not be able to see the project through to completion. I hope that you're able to find someone at a college that actually has the collection on site in order to expedite the whole process.
I get it, but how much work does it represent to make those requests and deal with them? How long does the process take?
Considering the lack of success so far in finding someone available, I wouldn't mind if you took it slow. And after getting a disc, ripping it takes about 10-30 minutes. And I'll pay whoever helps with it. Please just take that into consideration unless there is a bigger issue that I'm not seeing.
But I understand if you don't want to deal with it. Thanks for trying anyway.
>Momotarou no Umiwashi
Huh, I hadn't realized how rare it was. I actually saw this in an anime class I took for my last semester of college. Maybe I'll ask my professor if he can go make a copy for me or something. I'm not sure if it's the same compilation as the one OP is talking about, but it had a bunch of very old early Japanese animation including some that were literally just drawn on chalkboards.
Sounds "easier" to donate money to some trustworthy guy to buy and rip it.
If retards can give a shitload of dough to UTW and Commie for virtually nothing, maybe we'll get somewhere. That's a lot of money though.
>that are available outside of this collection
It's available on a fairly cheap NA old anime compilation, the stuff that's actually exclusive to it is listed a bit later.
I doubt many people would actually donate significant amounts of money, of course there's also the issue of trust, etc.
But you're right, if it gets to that point that's what I'll try to do. I just don't think it would succeed without a few people making significant contributions. There isn't nearly the same level of demand for stuff like this than for mainstream airing anime.
Not if it's out of copyright, it's not.
There's case law to the effect that a copy with the intention of being as authentic a reproduction as possible, no matter how much effort or skill is required, is still just a copy.
There's no new work created, so if copyright no longer subsists in the original, neither does it in the copy.
You can copy the copy without any form of infringement.
Just upload them using SCP, HTTPS, SFTP, etc.
The university, unless it's solved a millennium prize and hasn't told anybody, can only tell that you sent data to somewhere. It can no more break the encryption and see what the data was than it can fly.
It looks like he just pulled out and left for some reason...
Then we're still looking for someone in UoC, Harvard or Yale, or able to get DVDs from one of those universities.
I'm still here, just waiting to see if anyone else pops up who would be able to do this easier. If not, I'm still able to get the discs off ILL, though it'll be a slower process.
Even if you can only get a part of it, or if it takes longer than a semester to go through it all, it's better than nothing. It's hard to find the right person at the right time.
If you want to prioritize by volume:
11 > 4 > 3 > 7 > 9 > 5 > 6 > 8 > 10 > 2 > (1 > 12) (parenthesis = all films on those discs are available on other releases though for consistency it'd be nice to have those ripped too)
I'm in university too with courses I really suck at this semester, so I get it if it takes you a while to get around to it. I'll pay you per disc if you want, for postage if you want to send it physically, and a bit more if you can do it all.
Alright, I'll keep that prioritization in mind. I think I'll go ahead and submit the request for disc 11 right away to see if it'll even be possible to get it through ILL. It should be pretty manageable now that I think about it; the library is quite central to campus and seeing as I'm on campus every weekday it should be quite easy to pick up and drop off the discs.
In that case, let me know if it goes through, and if it works I'll send you instructions on how to rip it in case it's encrypted (unless you already know how to use DVDDecrypter and RipIt4Me)
Yeah, I'll add it to my email client and keep an eye on it. Anyone else who can help can reach me there after the thread dies, would probably easier to split the load even if the IIL request is approved.
Do you attend there? Think you can help? It would be cool if you have direct access to it.
I think it's a Yale professor who showed it to Catherine Munroe (writer of the blog linked in the OP) and she linked it in her post.
Just emailed California's library. It seems that you have to watch the DVDs in the viewing room, so you can't check them out. Maybe you can bring a laptop and just insist that you watch it on your superior laptop
Are you a student there or just an outsider? Because their site stated that students (with a UCI card) could check these out.
If you can try and get them (or at least a few according to >>119674348 this priority list) please let me know, I'll compensate you for it if you can pull through. I'd appreciate if you could send an email now to firstname.lastname@example.org so I can reach you.
Hmm, maybe I can bike there today when it stops raining instead of going there tomorrow when I am on campus. Don't want to commit too hard to this until I know for sure I can borrow them, rip them, and transfer them cleanly so I'll get back to you in a bit.
Do your best anons!
This is actually a really worthwhile and amazing project. Unlike a lot of piracy already committed which involves companies losing sales (according to them, I actually think it helps spread notoriety and bring in money in some ways), this project is completely about making old forgotten anime available to the public. It's actually in the interests of the Japanese public and anime studios, since they would actually find access to content that's been hidden and forgotten. Students in Japanese universities who study animation would actually find a way to look at older animation and possibly improve their knowledge and techniques.
Why let some American hipsters who study Fourth Year foreign media watch one movie from 1932 that's irrelevant to to their course, when it's potentially one of the most important historical artifacts in Japanese animation out there?
Get this project under way anons! Best of luck to you!
This isn't piracy. This is literally in the interests of education and history.
That would be really nice of you to look into it today, if it's at biking distance. If the thread doesn't die by the time you confirm it, we can all be on the same page.
Whatever you end up doing, just shoot me an email to confirm whether or not you were able to get it, otherwise I'll keep looking for people.
Another option is you can't find anyone at the four school you identified is an inter-university loan. Most universities have an online system set up to let you request materials that your university's library system is missing.
One person here said he would try it, I'm not sure if he put in the request yet, but I think he might be too busy to do it all.
I'm not in the US, and my university doesn't seem to do ILLs, but if nothing comes out of the nice UCI anon, I might make another thread and see if we can get 12 people to each loan one disc.
Ah, this would be nice.
Good luck, OP, and involved anons.
Perhaps if you got enough support from the university animation clubs, you could just have them ask the university department heads about negotiating these releases, as well. Just a thought.
It's not pirating if they upload them as an online resource or something. From there it's just asking anyone who is a student at a given institution and tech-savvy to download it and share it.
Most of them are, but a good portion (the later/independent films) aren't and have high licensing fees.
The animators no longer profit from their work, and I believe most (if not all) of them are dead, but they are still under copyright restrictions.
Or at least, it looks enough like piracy such that there is no way university staff would both with something like this (disregarding the fact that they have no reason to care even if it were all public domain, and it be a poor encode).
What I mean is that the library could digitise some of them and make them accessible online to students, just like lecture notes or theses are. I don't see any copyright violation in that.
Sure, that would be possible, but it's irrelevant to the large majority of students, so why would they care?
Besides, it doesn't really solve the issue, the encode would be crap and it would have to exclude a significant portion of post-War works, maybe half of it.
Would be easier to just ask random students to rip it and pay a decent amount than to try to convince university staff that the American youth must have online access to 1920s Japanese films... and not just any of them, but THESE ONES! Too complicated to explain, nothing to gain on their end, not much to gain on ours, and all in all just not realistic.
Yeah, probably AVI, and all interlaced and blocked. Can't expect anything from someone with nothing to gain from it and no interest whatsoever.
She just posted about it in mid-December.
So is there any progress on this?
If someone gets the discs ripped I can provide FTP access to my server for distribution. I don't have the storage to hold them all at once but we could work something out once I get them all saved locally.
Or if OP was willing to donate for or buy a VPS I could set it for for ongoing seeding or DDL/FTP access easily enough. It would be in the $10-25/mo range for a server with the requisite specs.
She posted about a few of the films found on the collection for a while before that big post, I don't remember for how long though.
Can just use MEGA, someone with good upload speed and no transfer cap or a good VPS can then upload it to ADC.
Haven't gotten any email. Maybe the UCI guy is going to look for it tomorrow, but he didn't give me an email so I can't request followup.
Why would you use Mega or anything similar for something halfway important.
I already offered use of my unmetered VPS or configuration of one with more storage.
Once the ISOs are on there it's just a matter of making a torrent and maybe a quick page of download links if you want DDL as an option too.
The only hard part of this quest is finding someone who can and will rip and upload the discs.
What's bad about Mega? The point is for it to be convenient for those people to upload it, not to be a permanent DDL location. I want to be able to access it ASAP once uploaded to validate it and send payment. After that if you want I can send the link to you and you can host it, but it looks like it's gonna be one disc at a time rather than the whole thing.
Anyway, nothing is set, it depends on the person.
Do you know how horribly unreliable it is for uploads over 1GB? Unless it's been seriously overhauled in the last couple years I would never trust it for large files. (Which is likely going to be the case because it's easier for someone to just rip to ISO instead of encoding each video too.)
With a VPS properly configured, whoever finds them could upload directly there through FTP, then you could immediately download them at greater speeds than you'd ever get from Mega.
Once you download them you could set up some other means of distribution but the server would already be able to do all of that, just like mine does with some files I share with /a/.
The hardest part of the whole process is sending the guy a few sentences explaining how to connect to a server via FTP.
Do whatever you want, but this is by far the fastest, most reliable, and most convenient (for you and the downloaders) option given the circumstance.
The only real downside to that is the slight ongoing cost to keep the server running. (I could use mine to get the files to you but I wouldn't host them indefinitely because I need the space.)
True, if the connection is interrupted there can be issues.
I have a server, so I can always make that available if they want it.
Anyway, that's not really the problem, but there's nothing to do now except wait a few days to see if the people who got involved will come back to me.
Oh not at all, it's not too late here and anyway your health (sleep) is more important. I just hope you can check them out as needed and that they all work without issue, so I can plan for any alternatives if something goes wrong.
Harvardalumfag checking in. If Michigan doesn't follow through I can get access to Widener to do this.
I also have a seedbox that I'm willing to donate to this project.
Throwaway contact info: harvardanon369 [at] gmail.com
(Shit, when did 4chan lose the email field? However shall I sage now?)
You can still sage, you just type it in "options". And it doesn't change name color either, to stop people from using it as a downvote. Which is fine for me since I automatically sage every post I make as force of habit.
Sage works fine, else no need for options field. It just became invisible because literally 85%+ of sages were newfags using it as downvote equivalent instead of its real purpose.
Already offered my VPS but apparently the guy has his own server but wants to go with something ass backwards instead.
Apparently plotting to raid a library for old public domain animation and actually making it public.
Used to post from the back seat in lecture halls back in 05-06 over on /b/, I swing by occasionally to check out what people are saying about animes that I happen to be watching.
And I haven't, what the fuck moot.
Not saying that it's fine because it's public domain, just that it's ridiculous that all these public domain films are nowhere to be found but on a 350,000JPY DVD set.
Please send me an email with how much space you have available on your server and I'll let you know
Man I was trying to get a job in your university, I fucking hate Mass so much. Should have told your IT department to hire me.
Oh also, GET HYPE. Gonna try to pull this off sometime this week.
Great thread. Can you keep us up to date on the status of this somehow OP? Maybe just a blogspot page with the Vol numbers and status, so it's inconspicuous. I'll volunteer to do an interlibrary loan with my university if there's no progress after a while.
There's 12 discs in all though, can you only get one at a time or something?
Just send an email at nihonartanimation at gmail and I'll let you know if we need anyone to do ILLs. I think we're fine for now, but anything can happen.
Here, I'll just update this, since I'll encode it anyway.
Let's say at 50% someone has the disc, and at 75% it's ripped, and at 100% I got it and I know it's complete. I don't want to be too explicit over there.
Eh, I dunno man. Like yeah it's good, but it's not 14-dollars-for-a-Reuben good, at least not for me. They've got some damn good breads, though.
>doing anything useful on /a/
This really is a neat thread though. Who would've thought that we'd get students at UCI and Michigan along with a Harvard alum collaborating to rip and upload a rare collection of old Mongolian motion pictures?
About to head into the library at UCI. Checked my phone and it seems ther is someone also working on it. Which ones should I look for so I can still contribute assuming that I am able to upload cleanly.
Try going from the last volume down to the first so you guys don't get the same one. I think that should do it. But if you can only get one at a time get 11 first since 12 has no exclusive content.
Michiganfag here; I submitted an ILL request for disc 11 and am still waiting to get word on whether it's gone through. OP put a priority list up earlier in the thread and I think disc 4 was next on the list after 11, so that's a starting point.
I'll change the order for sure since they have direct access, I'll let you know by email.
Oh, I thought you had it reserved or something ("7 day loan") and wasn't sure if you knew.
Ah, alright then. Can I recontact you for backup if something goes wrong and we need people to do ILLs? Not very likely, but just for safety.
If you see this before checking things out, you can get vol. 11 too.
Here's the list of priorities:
>implying rich kids will care about your money
find a nignog who has a sports scholarship or a whore who has one for sucking dicks, they always money, the other harvard boys won't even care this
ive seen some pretty old shit
Okay so apparently from the UCI library you need to be a grad student to actually take the disc with you out of the library so I am fucked. They do have all 12 volumes available though.
Maybe I can bring in my laptop and image the disk or bring in an external later. Not sure how the library staff will react to that however. Too autistic to directly and confidently ask about their policy or "Can I watch this on my laptop instead?" since the entire media library has TVs and DVD players specifically set up for watching things there. Might be overthinking things though.
I'll go back again tomorrow. I'll keep this thread open and check the catalogue for a new one tomorrow as well if this one does die.
That is dumb as hell.
Give it a try for sure tomorrow, but please, send me an email. I'm not going to make more threads unless there is a real need for it, and it's probably going to die some time during the night.
Portable DVD drive and a mobile device with USB OTG might work. An 8" Windows 8 tablet would work (and is pretty cheap), most have microSD slots so you'll be able to get enough storage too.
Are there private rooms for viewing or not? If not, maybe you can use the excuse that you need to be in a space where there's more privacy or something, and to use your laptop to view it. Otherwise, you can just bring it in.
Hope you can make this work either way, you're close, just one stupid obstacle in the way.
How much time will you have to do it? It can take a while to rip DVDs, depending on how they were pressed. Although I guess for starters it would be good just to ensure it's doable.
Would be hard to find someone willing to translate all this shit.
I answered your email, you can upload rips on my server by FTP, but if you prefer something else like MEGA it's not a big deal, just send me links over email in that case.
Is that what you mean? Or do you want to send them DVD copies?
Thanks for reminding me that Jollyroger is gone. They were a group that would take on something unique like this.
My only suggestion is Live Evil. Though they probably have a load of work, they kind of fit the bill, and I would suggest direct email.
Yeah, Filezilla is good. Just keep files on your PC, I'll set it up tomorrow and when you confirm that you got some volumes ripped I'll send you the username and password.
Alright then, >>119697308 can you take on this endeavor? I'll be way too busy this week between classes and managing rips (+encoding). If you want to be involved then email them and CC me (nihonartanimation @ gmail).
>/a/ being productive and useful
Even if it's not 100%, it's still important and akin to pic related.