>>119583528 I dropped it after 8 episodes after I realized that the homo bit was the most interesting thing that had happened. The direction and production values are terrible but if you're able to look past that you might be able to like it since apparently a lot of people do.
>>119585244 >Homolust was actually relevant to the plot and worldbuilding.
It didn't really go anywhere though, and just served to make what romance there was more unfocused. I get the whole bonobos thing, but they could have conveyed without it being so overt and in your face. It scared a lot of people away. I don't have a problem with it's presence, just that it was very jarring and took up a lot of screentime only to do nothing for the plot or characters.
Wait, you said "My friend recommended this to me" and posted an accompanying picture. Were you so concerned that you weren't getting your point across that you felt it necessary to remind us that the picture might be related to what you were initially babbling about?
>>119585357 It was the source of a lot of the character drama and conflict among the main group, are you joking? The one faggot who loved Maria felt alienated and even more left out because he was the only straight guy, pushing him further toward running away. It was pretty much the reason behind ALL of Saki's early distress, because she was fawning over Shun who was busy with his husbando instead of being in a relationship with her. I don't think the whole bonobos thing could have possibly been done more effectively. They could have told us that everyone is encouraged to be bisexual and that they're only supposed to get in relationships with the same sex to prevent sexual problems like teen pregnancy and whatnot, but that would be telling instead of showing, which is a VERY BAD storytelling technique. And if they did tell us instead of show it to us, we'd be left wondering why none of the main cast is even slightly involved in any of it.
Who the fuck cares if people were driven off by it? I'm actually happy the fanbase isn't infested with sexually insecure faggots who are repulsed by a gay kiss.
>>119585505 >>119585554 Yeah it was definitely up there but that's very narrow-minded to call it the best written anime in the medium. Especially when the last stretch of the story involves a dues ex machina in the form of some bioweapon that was never mentioned before.
Shin Sekai Yori was not flawless, but was certainly a diamond in the rough.
>>119586035 >people reply with "troll" >gets butthurt and defensive >insults are flung
Why do you do this? Why do you post such ignorant messages in order to incite reactions?
It was obviously not the most ovverated shit in existance when stuff like Bakemonogatari, Sword Art Online, Naruto, etc exist. If it's worth a watch it's nothing close to the most overrated shit, considering that SSY isn't even that well known. I'd even say Madoka is more overrated simply because of the MASSIVE hype train surrounding it filled with morons who will diffend every aspect of it. Pay attention you moron, then maybe you'd see overrated shit, it's all around us.
>>119585888 Fair enough, I just think they spent a lot of screentime on establishing a rather inconsequential (in the grand scheme of what the story was conveying) aspect of the world building. It worked with the characters too like you said, but the conflict or distress between the characters didn't seem to tie into the main theme or plot very much, so it felt like an annoying digression to me.
I don't know, it'd probably improve for me on a rewatch.
>>119585979 >a dues ex machina in the form of some bioweapon that was never mentioned before.
I thought that too when it was first revealed, but then thought it was at least logical that the ancient civilizations had developed bio-weapons against Fiends, so it made sense. And it wasn't used in the end, so it's fine.
>>119586221 To be honest, I would have loved if Saki was written to be a neutral character, and at the end, after all she's seen, she decides not to stop Squealer, since humanity had reached a point where they could not justify their existence.
Except the weapon wasn't specifically designed to fight the psychics nor the fiends. It was simply anthrax, which has been around as a weapon at least since the beginning of the 20th century. The reason that the humans used it was because it was about the only effective weapon they had against the psychics. They eventually lost anyway.
>>119587066 Nigga, what? Squealer ONLY failed because of Kiroumaru's interference. If he didn't come up with the plan to kill the girl, Saki would've gotten exploded and Squealer would've got what he wanted, and thus their race would prosper.
The queerats were FUCKED just because Kiroumaru wanted revenge against Squealer for outsmarting him before.
>>119587531 Not really. After the surprise attack, the humans have been deciminating his army left and right. The moment he took the child with him is the moment he lost the war. Even he managed to eliminate the trio, he will only end up seeing an army that has lost everything except for a last line of defense that is doomed to turn into an Akuma someday
>>119587531 Well not only that, we saw characters get too tired and worn out to focus and use their psychokinetic powers. With only one human under his command for the next 10 years, the other humans would have had attrition on their side. Once the girl passes out from exhaustion its over.
>>119588133 Hyouka has the most stunning visuals ever aired in the last 5 years. Plus, it sacked bags of Yen. Shinsekai Yori is a masterpiece that fell flat because of the boring pacing and QUALITY. It's a hipster show overall.
So no, your plan is flawed from the start. And this is from a guy who dropped Hyouka
Excellent world building. One of my favorite worlds in anime ever. Does anyone know if the BDs substantially fixed the animation woes that turned a lot of people like me off when the show was originally airing?
>>119588309 I doubt it. Kioumaru's colony had a strong and long alliance with the humans. Plus, they remained loyal to them right up to the end. Now way would the humans eliminate their only weapon against an Akuma
>>119588755 Yeah the minoshiro part is just pic related very suddenly, which was great. I liked that since it was when the story started to emerge, and for the first 3 episodes you're kind of wondering where they're going to go with it.
>>119588755 >>119588808 Plus the fact that there is this infodump is part of the whole situation, its not just a narrative shortcut convenience, the hammer falling on them this sudden revelation of brutal truth is a major part of the plot itself, and not just a hand-waving excuse to tell the audience about things they need.
>>119588943 Yeah, in that case it's good. But other times in the show there are info dumps that are the only source of information, like with Tomiko just telling Saki about the villages' history rather than the characters discovering that information as it becomes relevant. Don't get me wrong, it's not really that big of a deal, but it would have been nice if the exposition came a bit more naturally.
That Kiroumaru had to beg Saki to try her best to get the humans to spare his colony is all you really need to know. The humans were done with the bakenezumi after that, and Kiroumaru knew it. His decisions to side with the humans were as complicated as the bakenezumi themselves, but it was all related to colony survival.
Squealer was cheating his own neighbors and bullied the weaker colonies into submission while leaching off on the humans. He even sees himself as a god. Kioumaru on the other hand valued unity with every species and actually gave Squealer a large part of the war loot as a token of alliance, which proves his humility
>>119589115 But the ending of the episode showed that the humans spared other colonies other than Kioumaru's. It is forbidden for the humans to be violent and unrighteous (meer cheating in a game can result in an execution) so I doubt that they did not gave those colonies a proper trial
That's silly. Kiroumaru was, at the end, a second wake up call for Saki regarding the bakenezumi. That he admitted openly that his clan had contemplated acquiring the anthrax weapon for themselves reveals everything. His clan, and other bakenezumi clans, knew that they only existed at the good graces of the Gods. It would be inevitable, then, that if the Gods ever turned on his clan, without a way to fight them, his clan would die. What they were doing was logical. Kiroumaru was not a unitarian anymore than he was a loyalist. He was simply pragmatic and knew that the best bet for survival was to continue to be in the good graces of the Gods.
I wont say that he didn't have other motives. I think that his clan was prideful in their place as humanity's favored clan. I think they were also slightly more adherent to traditionalism and detested Squeeler's progressivism.
Like I said, it's complex, and brilliantly done from the standpoint of the audience, who only get snippets into the bakenezumi culture, but it is enough to piece together the larger puzzle.
>>119589280 >And yet they tortured Squealer for absolutely no reason other than blatant racism and sadism Squealer betrayed them and gave their species a bad name. I agree that they went overboard but I won't say that he is innocent either.
The humans treated the bakenezumi as useful fodder. They don't see the bakenezumi as human, and routinely you see humans killing them without any mercy whatsoever. The anti-violence conditioning does effect them (as it did that monk guy), but they can still do it.
As for sparing the colonies, I imagine Kiroumaru's sacrifice had something to do with that. He proved that the bakenezumi weren't all Squeeler's puppets and could be redeemed. Certainly, though, all of Squeeler's followers were annihilated.
>>119589268 uhh...All that Kiomaru's doing was for the sake of protection. Saying that his actions is bad is like saying that you should not look left and right whenever you cross the street. Heck, that is also no different from saying that one should not learn self-defense at all because the nation has a police force
>>119589348 Nobody is innocent. But at that point human society was so evil and had commited so many atrocities for the greater good that I think their genocide would have been just. As long Cantus existed, there would never be peace and there would always be bloodshed despite how hard they try to control or regulate it. Squealer's rebellion was an invetability and a side effect of their society's wrongdoings, maybe even a punishment.
>>119589467 Forgot to add that the funny thing is that it's probably not the last time it will happen. There will be another Squealer at some point. They'll have to eradice the Queerat race if they want to avoid war, because they're sure as fuck too egotistical to stop oppressing them.
>>119589467 What are you talking about? The Humans have been resting in their houses watching over the peace of the world. They even ensured that the war between Kioumaryu and Squealer will be proper. The reason for their attempt for eliminating Squealers colony was because they found out that he was hiding a minoshiro. It was a case similar to having a nuclear warhead locked on your nation and naturally, the humans responded before they could be attacked
The only reason why Squealer started the rebellion was simply because he is blinded by his arrogance and belief that he is a god.
>>119589562 There may be another squealer, but will there be another a human baby to be stolen unnoticed? Will the arrogance of humanity sit idly by and ignore the next squealers consolidation of power?
>>119589758 >They did that, too, through the Impure Cats, but they can kill the rats themselves. It happens several times in the series. uhh...if I remember it correctly, the cats were used only 4 times in the series 1. The cheating kid 2. Shoe 3. Mamoru 4. Mamoru and Redhead's child Never on the rats
You're not understanding something. The humans had to use the Impure Cats to kill off humans, because they couldn't do it themselves as part of the mental conditioning. They didn't need them to kill bakenezumi, as they could just do that themselves. Usually, though, they used loyal bakenezumi clans like The Great Hornets to do that, but they could do it if they had to.
The Cats get used a lot more than 4 times in the series, we just don't see most of them.
Can someone explain to me how cantus users turned all of the regular humans into Queerrats and the like? I remember how that plot point really stuck with me with understanding how their society worked. This anime was actually one of the more interesting distopian societies in fiction that I've come across. Made me reread the Chrysalids.
>there are literally people on /a/ right now that side with an all powerful government in a cautionary tale about the negative effects of shedding humanity >there are literally people on /a/ right now too dense to get an allegory with the fucking proclamation "I am human" to slap them in the face
It is sort of confusing in the anime, because most of the humans don't actually know the real history of it either, and we're told things from the perspective of Saki, who knows jack snot most of the time.
The implication is that the bakenezumi were humans from an age before the current one, and they were turned into the rats either intentionally by previous cruel psychic masterlords (they show several of them throughout the series) or unintentionally thanks to the subconscious power leak that all psychics have. This is what happened to Shun and why everything around him became disturbingly warped. He basically lost control of his powers.
>>119590332 No. My point is that the humans NEVER mistreated the rats. Not even a single hint of cruelty was done unto them. The humans even allow the rats to freely roam in their borders for the sake of trade and communication. And during a war, they watch over them just like a UN except they are actually useful
The psychic users of 1000 years ago did. But not the generation that Squealer live with
Never? I'm not sure the rats would agree. Both Kiroumaru and Squeeler had the same paranoia about the humans, and it wasn't unwarranted. Humans routinely wiped out "wild" bakenezumi clans in order to keep them under control. Bakenezumi also were forced to do menial chores for the humans as slave labor. They weren't even treated as second class citizens, as they had no say in what happened to them. The only way they could survive was to not piss off the Gods, and that's nothing but tyranny and oppression. From Squeeler's perspective, what he was doing was not only trying to ensure his species' survival, but liberation. His conclusion is what was heinous, not his ideals.
But that's fucking wrong. The rats had to live their lives under the shadow of the humans, knowing that if they even blinked wrong their entire colony would be wiped out. The humans thought of them as animals despite them being as intelligent as humans, and considered them only good enough for slave labor. They would have not hesitated to wipe out the entire queerat race if they had any reason to. The whole point was that they were considered below humans, and if Squealer's treatment is any indication, even below animals.
>>119590685 Yes, but you forgot that the humans never acted out of ill will. Every action they took was decided carefully by the council. Kioumaru and Squealers fear came from their awareness that they are helpless against humans but at the same time, they are aware that the humans have a strict sense of justice.
This is not even tyranny. This is just an ordinary case of law and order, just like a government to its people.
>Bakenezumi also were forced to do menial chores for the humans as slave labor What? A single human can do the entire job of an entire colony in a single hour. They never had the need for rats as a labor force. The only time that humans employed the rats was after they were done eliminating the Akuma. And that only lasted till they were able to breed the Cats.
Pacing was really bad. Anyone ever translate the novel? I guess it wasn't more than 500 pages so maybe the adaption is true to how fast it is, but I felt it was missing some lax period between each time skip and the event in each.
Need more monolog from Saki and other characters as well.
>>119591069 It's not, because citizens have rights, and we don't get our towns or counties nuked the moment we acquire any kind of power. In SSY, the rats have no rights, and are regularly slaughtered for the sake of keeping the power balance in check.
>>119591211 >wiping out colonies is the only punishment dealt for any crime IIRC, The only crime worthy of genocide is keeping a false minoshiro
>eradicate colonies if they pose any possible threat Just like how any nation would.
>general racism and considering the rats less than valuable as life forms Nigga, you are looking down upon tumblrs and normalfags despite being a fellow human because you know that have a higher intelligence than them. Whatmore to humans with superpowers?
>>119591296 Nay. The Humans have a strict code never to act outside of self-defense. The Rats have no rights but the humans are bounded by their own powers. Anyone who shows any sign of agression is eliminated quickly. Even Saki's team had their memories wiped out simply because they were exposed to a war by accident.
>>119591364 Squealer betrayed not only the humans, but also his own people. I agree that they went overboard but that's the most righteous thing taht they can do, I guess
>>119591460 This show wasn't aimed at otaku though. Not one bit. It didn't even have a OP to sell itself. Though I wonder if they cut it to allow more budget for the rest, since they really had little of it.
>>119591364 Yes, that was the point. These humans were no better than the animals they controlled or the cruel psychic lords who came before them. No matter how orderly or justified they thought they were, no matter how enlightened, they were still human beings, hostile and ugly.
I just can't resist to check back. One last reply then I am out
>>119591548 If you look at it, Squealer and Kiomaru HAD a technologies that are good enough to pose a threat. But the humans did not act. What made them respond are on the clues that Squealer was hiding a minoshiro
>>119591676 >Sure, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't hesitate about killing one or destroying a city full of normalfags. The Humans ARE hesistating to kill the rats. They never acted when it is not right
>Which they violated frequently. From their perspective, extreme paranoia about their neighbors constitutes self defense That's you being biased. The colonies are way too spread apart that the humans never found out about the foreign invaders until Saki came back to their homes. This proves that they never cared about the Rats
>Nope, they should have just killed him. Leaders get a special treatment, anon. You cannot just kill a leader. It has to be done publicly
>>119592078 >What made them respond are on the clues that Squealer was hiding a minoshiro
I believe it's stated that they had wiped out colonies in the past when they became technologically sufficient.
>The Humans ARE hesistating to kill the rats. They never acted when it is not right
Not as much as they would to kill another human, which is the point.
>This proves that they never cared about the Rats
They didn't care about the rat's daily lives and such, yeah. The point was that the rats were being forced to live an existence where the humans could and did wipe them out. They were only allowed to exist under the absolute tyranny of the humans. They had no rights or freedom as sentient beings.
>It has to be done publicly
There's a difference between public execution and eternal torture. If we had used black magic to keep Hitler eternal life and set his body on fire, and then displayed his pitiful existence of endless pain and suffering in Times Square for all to see, I'm pretty sure people would take issue with it.
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