Is Japan's population crisis saved?

>>119500129
>smoking, alcoholic damaged goods degenerate wife
>retard, NEET otaku husband

ebin propaganda there, nips

>>119500175
It's like people aren't perfect

>>119500175
The message is "even you can get married as long as you use the internet"

>>119500188
Not being perfect is one thing, being a worthless pile of shit is another.

>population crisis
>implying that's anywhere near as bad as mudslime crisis

>>119500175
>damaged goods
How?

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I feel like the term "crisis" is given to the problem by the media, and not actually by anyone in tune with the situation over there. They live on a small island and, for the size of the landmass, they've been horribly densely populated for the past 30 years or so.

This "crisis", if anything, will help them out in the long run, assuming the government prepares adequately for the changing tax earnings, and support costs

>>119500275
>Meanwhile, Germany has an even lower birth rate and a severe immigration problem on top of it

>>119500275
Anime will die though, or at least the kind of anime /a/ likes the best

>>119500129
>Is Japan's population crisis saved?
What population crisis?

>>119500275
Come on anon, if the stupid jap goyim don't believe it's a crisis, how will they accept the diversity they so desperately need?

>>119500275
I think you're thinking too simply about this. A population crisis usually refers to the fact that a large portion of the population will be leaving the workforce (retiring/dying) without adequate replacement, and that the seniors and people past the working age aren't going to have as much support from the younger generation. So that's the same mentality as saying that we should withdraw all support from Africa so that their population can diminish to manageable levels. Which of course makes sense, but it's still an inhumane way of thinking.

>>119500354
Fuck dude, I'd be okay with it. I like moe, but Japan has been a moe firehose lately. It's just too much and it's time to stop.

>>119500318
But no one cares about the Nazi's

>>119500388
Whatever gets the job done.

>>119500318
This. Germany now and its inherent cultural clash is the very reason why Japanese will never import a large portion of immigrants into their country. They already hate their Korean and Chinese migrants, how much more other novelty immigrants with less East Asian cultural tendencies?

If I move to Nihon, can I expect to be hated forever? What do they think about westerners?

>>119500395
Nobody cares about the japs either, that's why nobody felt bad about nuking them at the time. The point is, if Japan's birth problem is gonna be shoved in my face, why not just go for the larger issue, which is Germany.

>>119500483
Dont move there unless you dont plan to work.

>>119500483
What color are you? How loud are you? How polite are you? How would you describe your table manners? Will you always put the company before yourself?

>>119500508
Whuh?

Why?

>>119500513
White, Very quiet, Pretty good(?), No

>>119500483
I taught English there for a few years. It's hard to tell what people really think of you because people are so ridiculously polite to each other in Japan.

I found it pretty easy to meet people and make friends though, but I am not a complete social trainwreck and I had a good job, so that's a big part of it. I do know that most Japanese hate otakus.

>>119500483
why the fuck would you want to move to nip land

>>119500552
>No
Oh well, you almost had a chance.

>>119500531
How new are you.
Japan working conditions are the worst by far of any first world country.
Enjoy your 15 hours a day 6 days a week 1 month of vacations a year of slavery.
Not to mention how much BS you have to go through basically needing to develop a new "at job" personality

>>119500238
They both work, for one, so they're not worthless.
They're both are lovingly married as well, so obviously they're not pieces of shit.

So, how's home anon?

>>119500565
Yurop is going to go to shit soon, you have to be retarded not to see it.

>>119500608
Not all of it.

>>119500633
Granted. A few parts are already shit.

>>119500608
Move to South America!

pls we need yuropoors

its not so bad

>>119500594
Eh, I dunno, I have some passive income opportunities coming up, just gotta play it right and I can have an easy minimalist lifestyle.

>>119500633
Nah, I dunno man. I just want to be far away from here when shit hits the fan.

>>119500719
>when shit hits the fan.
When shit hits the fan, it's going to be global.

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>>119500483
>moving to Japan
Enjoy being treatened like a dog.
Westerners to japanese people is the equivalent of mudslimes and other degenerate third world inhabitants to european nationalists.

>>119500388
Having a bunch of babies so you don't downsize your ponzi is hardly comparable to withdrawing support from a developing area of the world.

>>119500755
This is a myth. You've never been to Japan.

>>119500755
>Westerners to japanese people is the equivalent of mudslimes and other degenerate third world inhabitants to european nationalists.

I wonder how many of this is true and how many is bullshit.

I don't see a foreigner going to Japan to work there because he was called by a company/found work there previous to moving to be treated like shit.

>>119500755
I've actually been to Japan and everyone was super nice, to the point where they offered to take our photos, cheering when I was trying to get a fig on one of those UFO catchers in Akiba, etc.

>>119500838
It is about the same as any country. Most people don't care or don't say anything but a few people will outright say it to your face, a lot of Japanese people are passive aggressive so they may say things in passing that could be taken as offensive but they don't mean it.

>>119500838
It's partly true.
Modern anime uses modern, western characters to remove the xenophobia that infected most people after the wars.
Old people wont buy this, but young people do. That's why if you should ever move to Japan, you will be mostly treated nice by young people only.

>>119500891
If you're qualified for a job he's not then he is an idiot for calling you out and you should not care.

>>119500838
The xenophobia isn't rampant but it does exist. People are super polite to each other in Japan, and tourists too, because they pride themselves on their manners. But there is some latent racism there, a good deal of it. This will come into play if you're ever looking for a job, for example, or trying to get a promotion at a current job, or meeting the parents of a Japanese girl you're dating. But most of the time it does a good job of staying hidden.

>>119500558
>I do know that most Japanese hate otakus.
But why? And how many otakus are there anyways?
Do they differ between people watching anime / reading manga and real otakus?

>>119500253
No clue, not with that overprotective chef dad she is.

>>119500755
Being foreign in Japan is a huge advantage, you just need to properly learn to use the Gaijin Smash technique

>>119500852
Are you thin?

>>119501048
>reading manga
Completely normal.
But don't tell anybody you watch anime. If somebody asks, tell them you know about Ghibli.

>>119500999
The looking for a job would be kind of your fault.
No one moves a country before looking into jobs, unless you're desperate to move.
The promotion thing is probably true but it's like that everywhere (which doesn't make it better).
The last one is just normal. Imagine if Tyrone introduced himself as your daughter's boyfriend.

>>119501110
Yes. Actually, I'm fucking tall as shit as well.

>>119501119
This is why I never want to have a daughter.

>>119501139
I was just wondering. I've had good experiences in Japan too but I know some people who are overweight who were treated badly. I wonder if that's the real distinction.

>>119500816
>myth
Not him but don't try to back peddle, I've been to Japan and the xenophobia is real. They aren't in your face about it but if they're sure you don't know what they're saying they'll bitch about gajin.
Not saying they're all cunts, I'd hate the gajin as a collective too, plenty are nice on a personal level once you get to know them but there is a resistance to outsiders. Don't be a weeb and try to warp reality for glorious nippon.

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>>119500483
Unless you look like pic related, they will hate you.

>>119501114
>let's pretend this multibillion industry doesn't exist
Are they really that ashamed of anime?

>>119501258
Please try to lurk more.

>>119501114
Why do they hate anime?
In europe, it doesnt matter if you watch cartoons or read comics, most adults will think this is weird, even if there is no real reason to hate these things.

>>119501258
No, but the average Japanese person doesn't know anime beyond Ghibli and the popular jump series.

>>119501306
Because anime is for perverts and children. They aren't even wrong in this. You need to wade through lots of fetish fuel to find shows like Kino.

>>119501356
Seriously?

Jesus fuck.

>>119501170
Yeah me neither.

>>119501380
Again, try to lurk more.

>>119501211
I always wanted to be an epic meme like aniki.

>>119500755
Stop trying to afraids weebs with your blatant lies.

>>119501084
It's nice to see someone else who has read this site. Is that you, negro-senpai?

>>119501549
Ab pls

>>119500503
>not caring about japan
>still comes to /a/ to talk about anime

Excuse but last I checked we are getting our daily dose of Anime, VNs, and Manga from Japan, not the shitty Nazis up north. So I believe people does, and should care about Japan.

There was an article published somewhere saying birthrates are even lower than expected this year and are at the lowest they have ever been. Apparently more people are dying than being born at this point in Japan. Also apparently the elderly make up a majority of their population.

So yes, it's actually a 'problem'.

>>119502116
>Apparently more people are dying than being born at this point in Japan. Also apparently the elderly make up a majority of their population.
Sounds like Germany.

>>119500129
That's the job of the 2nd season.

>>119502151
And Russia.

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>>119501717
Anon delivers.

>>119501171
In Japan they don't like fat that much or overly loud people (although some of them like the friendly American stereotype)

Most people who complain about being treated rudely in Japan are bleached and makeup caked bimbos

>>119500318
Good thing Japan doesn't suffer from white guilt, and doesn't want to try and obliterate their own heritage in spite of having committed similar atrocities as Germany.

>>119500129
The population is going down, how is it a crisis?

>>119500483
You'll probably be okay if you stay on the straight and narrow and don't look like a target for petty criminals. Japan's police are both totally useless and will NOT help you if you're victimized, and extremely brutal if you're a convenient fall guy for some crime with enough evidence such that they can't ignore it.

>>119500388
Maybe an inhumane way of thinking is what Africa needs.

>>119500852
>cheering when I was trying to get a fig on one of those UFO catchers in Akiba

Thats adorable

>>119502275
And pretty much every first-world countries besides Ireland.

>>119502716
>first-world
>Ireland

>>119502716
>tfw potato nigs think they're people

>>119502862
>England still thinks it owns its own country

>>119502967
>shagshitters thinking they're any better than bongistans

>>119500755
>Westerners to japanese people is the equivalent of mudslimes and other degenerate third world inhabitants to european nationalists.
But in reality muslims are treated pretty well there.

>>119501705
No, I'm just a big fan of his, that site taught me how to intimidate the Japanese effectively which was a load of fun while I was staying there.

>>119503153
Plz no bully

>>119500594
>Enjoy your 15 hours a day 6 days a week 1 month of vacations a year of slavery.
>slavery
Nigger that's less work for more vacations than Poland.

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>>119503302

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/22/japans-sexual-apathy-is-endangering-the-global-economy/

>>119501171
>>119501139
im also 6.5 medium build and generally normal looking i was treated just fine when i visited everyone was so nice
nips don't hate westerners or people with otaku intrests like /a/ will have you believe.
they just hate fat ugly sweaty nerds like the rest of the world. oh and people who are loud (rightfully so) be quiet when you are there for fuck sake.
so if you add all this up being a fat ugly sweaty nerd who is too loud you got yourself the average american weeb.

>>119500175

Is she really a smoker and drinker?

>>119503611
I wouldn't agree on drinker but it's pretty much the point of one episode that she's smoking A LOT.

>>119503611
She handles alcohol pretty bad iirc. Goes into full rape mode on the husband when she gets drunk

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You should never have to ask yourself
>how do I get young people to have sex

>>119503611
Just watch the fucking anime you pleb, it's like three minutes per episode

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>>119503763
>ok I got this genius idea
>ok listen to me
>our young adults don't want to breed because they have waifus and 3D women aren't perfect
>ok
>so we make more 2D waifus
>GENIUS

>>119503784

NOWAY, smokers are yucky.

>>119503763
He isn't. He'd like them to have less sex.

>>119503819
>>our young adults don't want to breed because they have waifus and 3D women aren't perfect
Retard. How large do you think is the percentage of Japanese that watch anime.

Have you ever even lurked the BD sales threads or the TV ratings threads?

Here's a hint: Studios have to pay the stations to broadcast anime.

>>119503862
>Have you ever even lurked the BD sales threads or the TV ratings threads?
Yes, moeshit pandering animes are always on top, what's your point?
>Studios have to pay the stations to broadcast anime.
And?

>>119503763
Sex isn't problem. Procreating is the real problem.

>>119503884
>Yes, moeshit pandering animes are always on top,
I'm talking about the numbers you braindead fuck. 20k sales is considered a bestseller in a country with more than 100 million inhabitants.

>>119503928
You do realize not everyone who watches anime buys shit? It's expensive as fuck and more for hobbyists.

>>119503991
>You do realize not everyone who watches anime buys shit?
See >>119503862
>Have you ever even lurked the BD sales threads or the TV ratings threads?

>>119503884
>And?
It means that they don't even attract enough of an audience to be paid for with ads. Normally you make money when your stuff is broadcasted. Anime doesn't (except kids' stuff).

>>119504029
>>Have you ever even lurked the BD sales threads or the TV ratings threads?
Misquoted. Meant to quote:
>How large do you think is the percentage of Japanese that watch anime.

>>119500275
>>119500381
>>119500354
>>119500318
I dont understand how you guys think this is so simple.

"Lol some people die who cares? Than there will just be less people living there, whatever."

No. The problem is that there are going to be a shitload of old people who retired from work and the young people who need to support them. In the next few decades there will be WAY too many old people who already retired for the younger, much smaller generation to sustain. Thus Japan will have a lot of financial problems.

>>119504646
Is there any other nation that has self-destroyed as much as Japan?
Really, I think Japan's case will be studied for centuries, how an entire society chose death

>>119504646
/a/ is filled with weeaboos that believe unironically that Japan is a paradise for moefags and nobody see nothing wrong with being attracted to a 13 years old girl.

>>119504943
Spain has been at war with itself for more than a century.

>>119503829
>this faggot here never picked up a cigarette

>>119505053
Spain has made retarded things in the past but Japan's retardness is unique. A nation that lost a global empire and became an extension of Africa until the late 20th century is still less retarded than Japan

>>119505405
If I'm going to slowly kill myself by doing unhealthy things, I'd rather be eating junk food

What if everyone's infertile after Fukushima?

And how can the country wait 20 years to fix its labour force?

Why don't they just import loads of mudskins like Bongland and France?

>>119504943
>Is there any other nation that has self-destroyed as much as Japan?
>self-destroyed
That's more descriptive of nations who choose mass-immigration as their "solution".

>>119500129
Japanese people aren't that stupid to listen to what their governments tell them to do.

They don't want to have immigrants to keep the population stable, which is reasonable.

The only way they have is to further apply automation and robots into their everyday life and at any field.

This is the real progress.
Anything else won't work.

>>119505460
you live once, might aswell try smoking atleast once.

>>119500594
>1 month of vacations a year

Shit, I get vacation time? That's way better than now.

>>119505682
How about people get Japs to stop being faggots, and actually reproduce?

>muh real progress.

Stop talking.

>>119500129
What? Because of one anime series? Are you drunk?

>>119503049

Much better than in the 90s anyway. It's because Japan has a sizable Iranian population (long story short, Japan in the late 80s needed a lot of cheap workers for their numerous construction projects, so because of some trade deal they had with Iran, workers could go there for construction work without a visa).

>>119505661
Immigration can work, its just how you approach it. You need to be strict and only take educated people instead of taking in every asylum seeker and allowing them to freely rape your countries girl as they please like Sweden does.

There are a lot of east Asians on my university and they are behaving just fine. If you only take in these kind of people and reject people from Somalia who just want the welfare then immigration can certainly benefit a country.

>>119505873
You should stop talking, little idiot.

Japan as it is now, is still overpopulated.
It's healthy that their population are shrinking.

Only Jew enterprises are concerned because the less people there are the less they can sell their consumer shitpig products.

>>119503369
1. Population becomes wealthy enough such that struggle for food and safety is mostly mitigated.
2. Much like the rat experiment, birth rates decline and many members of the population devote themselves to asocial habits.
3. Population hits a critical point. In absence of external migrants providing aggression and competition, it sees a recession and returns to struggling for necessities.
4. Population recovers and the cycle repeats.

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>>119500129

>>119503369
>muhhh endless economical growth

I tell you, economists are so short-sighted it hurts.

>>119505969
Yes, now instead of being overpopulated with a lot of young people, it'll be full of old people who can't work, Imagine the boomer population going into retirement and its effect except WORSE, and with a smaller/weaker country.

>>119503862
>Here's a hint: Studios have to pay the stations to broadcast anime.

Yeah but that's always been the case, ever since the 70s.

>>119506219
It's not the case for stuff like Naruto which has an actual audience.

>>119506123
But economic growth can be endless.

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>>119506160
Well, what do you think is the purpose of TECHNOLOGY?

Japan is leading in the robotics departement.
If there is a nation that can handle the shift to aging population without relying on fucking immigrants, then it is Japan.

Let me say it again:

1.People are not that dumb to follow some shitty propaganda the economists and the government makes to get their population to breed like rabbits again. Especially with the extremly stressful average day for a citizen, where it is almost normal to work yourself to death.

2.Mass immigration is unreasonable

>>119505682
>Japanese people aren't that stupid to listen to what their governments tell them to do.

Aha. Ahahaha. Oh, you have no idea.

Ok, let me explain how government works in Japan: the government tells the people about something, the people say "oh, ok then", and once in a while a scandal happens and the people freak the fuck out. Want to know why? Because the majority of the people genuinely don't have any idea how their government works, and just live on the assumption that the Diet (parliament) just does what government is supposed to do. They don't have Freedom of Information in Japan, aka the people don't have the concept of "right to know" on what the govt is doing in its day-to-day work. The people vote uninformed, that's why PMs get voted out so quickly for not MAGICALLY turning around a recession they've been in for almost 30 years now.

>>119506419
Almost 20 years*, my bad

>>119506417
Who pays for retirement benefits and medical care?

>>119506530
The USA.

>>119506690
Japan owns American debt, not so much the other way around.

>>119506417
>Still talking about relying on immigrants.

How far do you think they'll get in the place of robotics in the next couple of years anyway, and do you think old people will still be in that field instead of retiring if they become apart of it?

/pol/ derail

>>119500221

They met because they worked at the same grocery store or whatever

>>119506419
Ofc people don't give a crap about their governments (it is likewise in any country) as long as it doesn't disturb their every day lives to a certain point.

Anyways, the pretense of this thread is retarded anyways.

And all I can say to all the normalfags here....GTFO you 3DPD lovers.

>>119506530
The gubermint through taxes. They will have to find some solutions.

The point is, as long as their productivity doesn't sufer, there shouldn't be a problem to allocate the amount of money needed.

>>119506911
>derail
Threads about this show were like this since forever.

>>119506417
There is no way to replace the vitality of a new generation with robotics. Japan might finally find an economic resurgence with the advent of advanced robotics, but they'll still be in cultural decline.

>>119507028
>(it is likewise in any country

In most countries when the government does something invasive, people lose their shit even if it's the most minor thing. In Japan they don't even know it happens.

I think most of this "population crisis" alert stuff is made by shilling Jews who see their money cows dwindling away.

How retarded can people be to believe people of certain nations should breed more, when e.g. Japan in this case has the biggest Freeter sector of the World, where young people struggle to find stable environment.

What crazy fuck thinks of starting a family under these conditions?

They can be shilling and crying all day long, but the development will continue as it is the natural flow of all summed up consequences.

The only way to adapt to this reasonably is with further employment of technology.

Unless they go full Hitler style and build breeding factories.

>>119507343
and then this thread went full /pol/.

>>119505969
>>119505873
>>119505682
It's amazing to watch a total retard argue with another total moron.

>How about people get Japs to stop being faggots, and actually reproduce?
>muh real progress.
>Stop talking.

>Only Jew enterprises are concerned because the less people there are the less they can sell their consumer shitpig products.

Are there really that many stupid people here?

>>119507091
What do you understand with vitality?

They pretty much live in little cages, space has always been a problem, they overwork, the young people struggle to find secure jobs.
What the heck is vital and healthy about that?
Don't you think an increasing population will make these problems even worse?

>>119507165
Well, people lose their shit and might go out onto the streets, but it has pretty much 0 effect as long as their living conditions don't get massively worse.

It works in Europe. The wealth has been distributed to the Top over the years with all the little financial crisis, people demonstrate and whatever, but still the course is set, so those demonstrations have 0 effects on it.
And even with knowing what is going on, the usual reigning parties get enough vote to remain the strongest force.
So, why should it even matter whether the citizens know what is going on exactly, when the result is the same?

日本の人口はちょうど1億くらいが良いんよ。 ちょっと減っても良い。

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>>119506911
>derail
Did you even read the OP?

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>>119507929
thanks doc

>>119508242
>.png

>>119508340
>single colored big areas and sharp contrasts at the borders
What else but png?

>>119508420
gif.

>>119503472
>people who are loud
ha, I was chatting with a friend of mine who lives in Kyoto, and we some how got onto the topic of Japan USA relations, and one of the things she pointed about what they dislike Americans doing when they visit, is being loud.


Aside from being loud, she also said that the biggest offender is people who come over and are rude about traditions and customs. Also, the constant comparisons between 'Well in America we do this and this'. Now, I don't know if this is much, but she also pointed out that when an American is asked where they are from, they typically say 'America', but should have said 'USA'. Seems like a really futile thing to worry about but oh well.

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>>119508340
This better?

>>119508547
Thanks Doc, I like this dose better.

>>119508451
>proprietary formats
>2015

I'm pretty sure most people with JAPAN SUCKS horror stories are weaboos who went over there as full blown weebs and came back jaded as hell.

Though, i've been there for a week and it was just for hotels and meetings, hardly any free time at all, and everyone spoke english aside from a couple of the older guys who obviously understood english but liked having a translator there as some kind of power thing.

So i've not really seen the REAL japan i guess.

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>>119508652
>week and it was just for hotels and meeting
>hardly and free time
>REAL Japan

Sure brah, sure. And it is HUGE surprise that people doing business or work in related fields with international affairs understand English.

The 11th episode was excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH-kNnq7mFM

If you tell people your related to Curtis LeMay in Japan, what will they do?

>>119509830
>Curtis LeMay
Who?

>>119500275
>I don't understand demography: the post

>>119508509
yeah the whole "we do this where im from" thing is a given aswell wherever you go. when in Rome and such.
its like if some Japanese people came over to your house for dinner and you had laid out knives and forks for them but they asked for chopsticks instead. its just rude (not like that's an issue over there they understand westerners are dyslexic retards who cant use them half the time)

>>119506123
As opposed to socialist states just as dependent on inflation and population growth paying for everything?
There is no system on the planet not dependent on perpetual growth.

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>it's a good thing that Japan is depopulating
>they're a tiny island etc.

But that's wrong. Who's going to pay grandpa's pension?

>>119509916
Your literally on the internet asking me who someone is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay

>>119509830
Better question, what happens if you say you're related to Commodore Perry?

>>119510150
Grandpa is going to save for retirement or be sheltered by his clan like the last 10,000 years of human civilization.
The welfare state is a fiction based on industrialization scale growth continuing for all eternity. muh inovashun

>>119504646

Add to that the gazillions of dead japanese old people for which the retirement checks still are being collected. I think i read about a case where the mayor turned up to congratulate a woman for her 100th birthday and it turned out the woman had be dead for ~20 years and the children did not report it to continue collecting.

>>119510111
>its just rude
No, it isn't.
If you aren't used to a particular tool, using one that you are familiar with is an insult to nobody.

Visiting Japan this year for a few weeks. I'll make it my mission to do something against the dying out of japan by trying to create filthy halfbreeds i guess?

>>119510216
>welfare state is a fiction

W-what?

>>119510257
they use them all the time over there. its just an example

>>119510162
Or McArthur
Or Chesty Puller.

>>119510216
>The welfare state is a fiction based on industrialization scale growth continuing for all eternity.
Not really.
The reason it isn't currently working in Germany at satisfying levels is that they've excepted everybody who earns a bit better than the average.

>>119500388
Maybe if people retired earlier and stopped holding onto jobs, young people would actually fill the positions

Neckbeards are projecting really hard into Japan's declining birth rate

>T-there's nothing wrong with be a forever alone. Just see muh glorious nippon.

>>119510216
That's funny, last time I checked pensions were one of the biggest spending holes in most nations budgets.

>>119507819
Any new generation has an energy that can't be matched by anything within that culture. It might not match up to the youth of other cultures or the past youths of the the same self culture, but at that point in time the youth is unmatched in energy and vitality. No amount of robots can supplant that.

>>119507343
You, sir, know nothing of economy. Kindly leave and get education.

>>119510373

Good idea. Maybe we should tell Japanese people to breed so there will be young people to hire!

>>119510134
Which is why this system is short sighted.

I hope people in the far future will hate the people of nowadays who only lived for the interest of economical growth.

>>119510216
So we'll be back to feudalism then?

>>119510540
Or force the elderly out of those jobs now so the current generation of young adults actually have stable income and the opportunity to raise a family instead of having to get by on freeter jobs and buying consumer shit

>>119510239
Yeah. I read some stuff about this too. It's because of the family registers or something. Korea did away with them recently.

>>119510540
What's the point when the Gen Xers will just take the spot of the baby boomers, retire even later, and my potential offspring won't be able to get on the property ladder or into middle management until age 70

Every generation is awful, and once they've lived through their golden years, they desperately cling onto whatever they can and screw over the next generation even harder.

>>119510373
Or if more jobs were artificially created as is the case in many a first world country. Alternatively, they could go to war. It boosts GDP as hell as long as you conduct it away from your shores.

>>119510436
I don't even understand what you want to tell me.

What is that energy you are talking about when society works you to death or makes you commit suicide and get whatever mental/physical diseases?

I really do wonder.

>>119510517
I only know that economists are stupid and short sighted and if you let economical interests control your government, the average citizen will suffer.

>>119510614

So you'd rather be living in a cave or moving to some African shithole where the economic growth doesn't matter neither for the ruling caste nor the populace? Get real.

>>119510762
>It boosts GDP as hell
Not really.
It's a short-term stimulus but a long-term loss.

>>119510654

1) Simply in terms of numbers and qualifications, there are likely not enough young people to fill every job that would be opened up by forcing geezers to retire
2) An influx of retirees would place an even more enormous burden on the government pension system; taxes would have to be raised
3)There's no guarantee or evidence that this would have any effect on birthrate

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>>119510795
>I only know that economists are stupid and short sighted
Opinion discarded. At least you could have finished high school.

>>119510762
>Artificial jobs
Terrible idea. It's what led to the 2008 recession. Lots of non-jobs, people buying houses and things they couldn't afford, suddenly everyone realizes that they don't actually have any money and their job is easily cut or replaced, and unemployment rises.

I guess it will give people 'experience' to work a real profession.

What would be better is if we had a new technology or industry and companies were willing to give jobs to the people in their own countries instead of third world peasants. Or if governments didn't nationalize them or tax them. Or set up a police state, seize the assets of the wealthiest, nationalize the companies and provide lots of work for people. And then try not to go to war or commit purges.

>>119510890
Please explain how it is a long-term loss.

>>119510968
The fairy tale of the lucrative war came up during the world wars in which the US were mostly uninvolved but in which they sold lots of weapons and stuff to those parties that were involved.
The US got a lot of money (and gold) out of the deal.

Normally war starts a war bubble in which a lot of money is spent but in the end reality catches up and you run into a net-loss.

>>119511094
>you run into a net-loss.
Because you don't actually earn anything. All you're doing is spending money.
If that's what you want you can skip the war and just create artificial jobs.

>>119510827
Nope, I want some genius to introduce a new system and redefine what one should understand under growth.

Nowadays system is nothing but based on greed and the ignorance to adapt other obvious factors like the environment into their little scheming.

>>119511267
>Because you don't actually earn anything
Your technology advances.

There's really no difference between a war and state-sponsored workplace creation in terms of the impact on the GDP.

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>>119510930
Come up with something better.

>>119511514
>here's really no difference between a war and state-sponsored workplace creation in terms of the impact on the GDP.
That's what I just said. See:
>If that's what you want you can skip the war and just create artificial jobs.
If that's your goal, I suggest spending the money on education and science instead of war.
That's way more effective and has great benefits.

>>119510624
Only if you think taking care of your own parents is feudalism, rather than land owners paying tribute to their masters.

>>119505623
Did you see the news yesterday? That's why.

>>119511619
Yeah. States could hire more teachers or give more grants to researchers and get the GDP boost that way. The difference is in the beneficiaries. Playing the devil's advocate, in the first place you'd be nurturing the populace which is already in the high income range. Consider the effects on income equality and social structure as a whole.

>>119511677
Both time and energy are limited resources in a human lifetime. It's either you taking care of your parents and maintaining a decent quality of life or you taking care of both your parents and your kids and living a shit quality of life. So it's either assisted suicide for the old, population crash or back to the lifestyle of medieval peasants.

>>119511879
>Playing the devil's advocate, in the first place you'd be nurturing the populace which is already in the high income range.
It's the opposite. You can bring education to the poor if you actually care enough to do so. Most countries don't, so they cut education short and only deliver to the high income range.

And with war, half the money you don't have is going to Jewish arms producers, so you have to squeeze it back out of your poor population with taxes.

>>119509367
That's really fucked up living condition.

If economists are so smart, why do the problems keep getting bigger?

Why do the rich ones have become more wealthy while the average citizen have become more poor?

When do we have a real capitalistic system instead of a Corporatocracy mixed with Plutocracy?

Ofc you retards don't have the answer to that and keep on discussing circular symptoms and don't tackle the roots of the evil.

>>119512088
>If economists are so smart, why do the problems keep getting bigger?
>Why do the rich ones have become more wealthy
Successful economists are rich.
Does that answer your questions?

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>>119512086
It will get better when there is more competition with a greater population, like everything.

The root of the all the problems is the decline of birthrates and the aging population.

t.Economist

>>119512052
>not living in a country where research and production of arms is state-owned

>You can bring education to the poor if you actually care enough to do so.
That's a good point. However, the quality of education is a fundamental issue. That would be a system which provides everyone with opportunities and incentives to attain an education which guarantees high-earning jobs, provided it's not fucked up somewhere along the way.

>>119512088
>If economists are so smart, why do the problems keep getting bigger?
Just stop posting. It's embarrassing to read what you write. It's not economists who are in charge of running countries, lowly /pol/ abomination.

>>119512088
>Why do the rich ones have become more wealthy while the average citizen have become more poor?
In the case of UK it's not true. The richer got richer, but the average citizen (the medium income group) got richer too.

>>119512128
And almost all political members serve for their own career and fortune and not its general populace.

Democracy is the modern opium for Plebs.

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>>119512678
>Democracy is the modern opium for Plebs.

Change your dealer. Or stop drinking.

>>119512434
>guarantees high-earning jobs,
>guarantee
>high paying
That's mutually exclusive, in capitalism.

>>119512088
In my country, the minister of finance was recently very proud to finally present a plan that would not result in further debts - he did this by cutting just about every cost imaginable. In a few years every single road in the country will need to be remade and most public offices will be closed because there's nobody working there, but at least he had his one moment of glory.

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but japs are mostly really ugly, they don't look anything like those anime characters.

>>119512661
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8068926.stm

Hm, give me some data that supports your claim.
Ofc it must be inflation adjusted

>>119502550
old people don't die fast enough. in fact they live even longer. that's the problem

>>119512804
>guarantee
>high paying
Gosh, you really want precision in terminology.
>Increases the likelihood of getting.
Now, is it better?

>>119512805
Screwed up your image because I'm a sucker for transparency.

>>119513425
And now I see it's been a really shoddy job. I need to put in more effort.

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>>119512661
How comes the income inequality has been stagnant or slighty rising?

I am sorry, but there are enough articles and data out there that says otherwise, which should be true for most 1st World countries.

With all the recent "crisis" the only people who profited from it had been wealthy even before, while your average citizen has to pay for all of it through increase of taxes and whatever instruments there are like lowering the key interest rate which hurts the people who have a savings running in banks.
The interest rates got so low that they can't outweigh the inflation rate anymore, which means they are losing wealth.

Just as planned

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>>119513425

>thread still up
this belongs to /jp/ or /pol/, jesus

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>>119512753
>stupid idiot who eats whatever he is fed with by the government without a single doubt and believes that he can make a difference by voting

QED

>>119513856
He's saying your opium sucks.

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>>119513508
I urge you to use this website www.ifs.org.uk

/a/ is not your teacher. Regret your ignorance and despair.

pic source: http://www.ifs.org.uk/comms/comm118.pdf

>>119513954
>UK is falsifying its statistics
Good to know.

>>119500129

This is Satan, it wants to make you fuck a 3DPD.

>>119513790
/pol/ derailed it. it cannot be helped etc.

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>>119513985
Give me the real ones. If you have them that is. You should blame yourself for occupying the bottom ten anyway.

i wish they invited me

id solve their population crisis

>>119514141
>id solve their population crisis
What with? Imaginary friends?

>>119514141
So how would you convince your wife to have more babies? Are you an oil tycoon or something?

>>119514141
sorry, no niggers allowed

>>119510339
They wouldn't recognize any of those names except Perry. Japs in generally know about as much about WW2 as your average American elementary student. They might recognize MacArthur since he, you know, ruled their country for about a decade, but I wouldn't count on it.

>>119514288

By means of being a 6'3" tall blonde guy i suppose.

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>>119513954
>Incomes have been measured before housing costs have been deducted

My Engrish is not good enough to understand the meaning behind this sentence. So all this means those figures don't adjust housing costs?

Also

>Were it not for the strong income growth among the very rich, income inequality would have fallen between 2008–09 and 2009–10. Growth in incomes at the top of the distribution has often been an important driver of increased inequality in recent years, and we consider the issue of top-income growth later in this section.

And for your little chart.

>One likely driving factor behind the strong income growth amongst those with lower incomes
between 2007–08 and 2009–10 was higher income from benefits and tax credits.

>tax CREDITS

Nice way to cover things up.
Governments always find instruments to cover up their failures and tweak their stats.

>>119514703
So? Would being a 6'3" tall blonde guy help you to get shitloads and shitloads of bucks to raise the family?

>>119514823
Yes.

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>>119513954
I HOPE YOU HAVE READ THE FUCKING REPORT YOURSELF BEFORE POSTING THAT SHIT BECAUSE IT ALL IN ALL BASICALLY SUPPORTS WHAT I HAVE SAID THAT THE INCOME OF THE MOST WEALTHY ONES GREW UNPROPORTIONALLY WHILE THE OTHER ONES SUFFERED OR STAYED PRETTY MUCH STAGNANT.

Here, the GINI coefficient right from your source.

>>119514804
Enroll yourself in some classes or something. There is a clear distinction between wages/salaries and income. I hope your hands-off-the-economy-no-benefits-allowed mentality comprehends such things as governmental hand-outs.

>So all this means those figures don't adjust housing costs?
Bravo, Sherlock.

>>119500175
Isn't being an alcoholic a requirement for employment in Japan?

>>119515200
I wonder if you could order milk instead.
Would your boss mind? You can toast with milk just as well as with alcoholic drinks.

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>>119514948
No. See >>119512661
Reading comprehension.

And don't foreget that other coefficients exist too. Explain them all!
http://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/docs/Accounting_for_changes_in_inequality.pdf

>>119515250
I actually would want to see a salaryman trying that.

I want to go to japan and kiss a japanese girl!

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Holy shit, this thread.

>nippon having a decreasing population is a bad thing because economics says so
No, Japan is an overpopulated nation especially Tokyo and endlessly increasing population will do more harm than good in the long run. Only bankers and short-sighted economics would think that an ever-increasing population is ever a good thing, especially for a 1st world country with very limited land which have dozens of active volcanoes and earthquakes.

>but who'll pay for Grandpa
Old man doesn't retire from a company even if they are useless and/or senile because resigning/quitting a job is disgraceful. There are companies that still pays senile grandpas to sit in a room and do virtually nothing to not get in the way of others' works. They'll pay for themselves until at least 10 years from their deathbed.

>who'll replace those old people from working?
This would be an issue if getting a job is easy in the current situation, less population makes easier job hunting and that means less unemployed and unwilling NEETs.

And there's also this to consider:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

If anything, nations with large population will all have labor problems and unemployment in the years to come, workers strike every other day and rising crime rate because jobs will be replaced by cheaper and more efficient automatons.
Decreasing one's population is just a way to prepare for the next inevitable technology revolution for Japan, which is also one of the leading nations in said technology advancements.

>>119515593
>wanting to kiss 3DPD
How about you make the world a favor and kill yourself nigger

>>119515790
>There are companies that still pays senile grandpas to sit in a room and do virtually nothing to not get in the way of others' works.
Source needed.

>>119509367
Just watched that whole thing. Shit was heavy.

>>119515887
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/17/business/global/layoffs-illegal-japan-workers-are-sent-to-the-boredom-room.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
This is posted a lot of time last year, how could you missed it.

>>119515947
Maybe because mods deleted the threads?

The practice you mentioned is surely not universal. Of course big companies like Sony can afford it, but small-time employers cannot.

>>119512018
>medieval peasants
Utterly laughable for a world that escaped those conditions literally hundreds of years before the welfare state.
The income you were paying as a tax is now directed to your parents. Your parents that have their savings nest egg. Your parents that have the best income bracket and the ability to live and work healthily more than ever before.
And you're going to return to serfdom?

The idiocy of the socialization is the imagination that you're the beneficiary rather than the subsidizer. Only the truly destitute benefit from the system as it is now, everyone else is dragged down by it.

>>119515290
Topkek

>posting a picture that actually contradict with your claims

Retarded much?

>>119516151
>The idiocy of the socialization is the imagination that you're the beneficiary rather than the subsidizer. Only the truly destitute benefit from the system as it is now, everyone else is dragged down by it.
Not really.
There's more poor people than rich people. Therefore, the majority benefits.

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>>119516308
/pol/ can teach you better. Why won't you ask them? It all makes perfect sense if you bother to read the damn analyses. Enjoy yourself.

>>119516347
Your idea of poor is heavily skewed.
Their aren't moor poor people than anyone. They are a fringe minority. Very few people are making less that 10,000 USD a year.

>>119516554
>Their aren't moor poor people than anyone.
*There aren't more poor people than people in other wage categories.
Not the point. Even if you aren't in the lowest group, you can still benefit from the system. The fact that most people aren't benefiting (very much) has less to do with the idea of socialization and more with the half-assed way it's done.

>>119516112
>The practice you mentioned is surely not universal. Of course big companies like Sony can afford it, but small-time employers cannot.
Obviously, but that still doesn't mean that the seniors are not taken care of. They'll be dead weight, but larger population doesn't mean that they won't be.
In fact, I'll argue that a smaller population will benefit more old timers in Japan's case.

In a overpopulated nation like Japan, there are far more workers/people than there are demand for them.
http://www.businessinsider.com/japans-unemployment-rate-hits-a-16-year-low-2014-6?IR=T&

A larger population only lowers the income of the average worker and therefore the amount of money they can spend for their elders.
Japan needs to lower their population to increase their employment rate, and subsequently their workers average income.
This is why the crazy work ethics in japan is a thing. And the reactionary NEETs that believes that working means losing in life.

And this doesn't considers the possibility of the automation revolution that is inevitable to happen sooner or latter.
Also, the current trend of decreasing population in Japan will only take real effect in the next 15-20 years for better or worse. And by then it's not far-fetched to assume the need of human workers will be at an all time low as technology advances.

>>119515790
>>119517093
Robots of japans will be similar to immigrants of Europes.
They'll take the jobs no one wants, except robots doesn't make social troubles and riots when they don't want to conform to the local cultures.

>The MC is an otaku.

Into the garbage it goes.

>>119517835
>>The MC is an otaku.
But that's wrong.
>Into the garbage it goes.
Ah, another retarded meme spouter.

>>119517917
>Everything is a meme
Whatever floats your boat

>>119515200
Pretty much this. If you don't imbibe, you might as well just kill yourself, because your colleagues will start shunning you. This is why Japan is #1 in suicides. Frankly, it's a shithole, I really feel sorry for people who live there, I really do. Living in that fucking backwards country, damn.

>>119500129
Even if their underpopulation problem is solved, they still have an overpopulation problem.

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>Instincts urge me to have kids
>Never will cause 3D a shit
A fate worst than death

>>119519555
>>Instincts urge me to have kids
It was pretty wild when that started to kick in. It's surprisingly powerful. Clearly evolution has done its job.

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>>119519555
Fuck that shit nigga. If I can't find a suitable bitch to bear my children then I'll just find a surrogate and raise em' myself.

I fucking love kids and can't wait to reproduce.

>>119500395
>But no one cares about the Nazi's
Well the entire Eurozone does because they're the one functional economy that's carrying the rest of Europe's ass.

>>119519555

>tfw it's starting to get me too

Thought it's nowhere as bad as the teen hormones outta control years were. My future wizardry is perfectly safe.

>>119500129

Lel no

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>>119519555
>3D a shit

sure, that's the reason i'm not gonna have kids... totally... right?

right?

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>>119520928
I genuinely feel bad for people who want to have a girlfriend/wife and are unable to get one due to whatever flaws they may have.

I also thank god every day I choice to avoid bitches and whores and I'm never stressed out about my sexual experiences