I really enjoyed Utena and it had a lot going for it. However, I didn't think it was better than Madoka.
So you made a thread to show off your shit tastes?
Good job, I guess.
Maybe it has to do to with the well executed themes?
Or maybe the developed cast and their interactions?
Though it could also be the fantastic visual direction.
Not to mention the outstanding atmosphere and soundtrack.
Congrats, you aren't an elitist hipster. Now you just have to watch Princess Tutu to double check.
I liked both of them. Still prefer Utena a little, though.
I agree with the visual direction, as well as the atmosphere and soundtrack(when it was repeating a song every episode). The themes it presented were interesting enough, but not as well executed as I was hoping for. If Utena was suppose to be an indomitable female spirit why was she easily seduced by Cadillac Onii-san? And the ending seemed to contradict those themes as well, she couldn't save her friend because she wasn't a guy?
I enjoyed the peripheral cast a lot more than Utena, Anthy and Akio. Characters like Juri and Miki were what made the stagnant main characters digestible.
Also surfing elephants?
The point of the show is that the kind of infallible prince Utena was trying to be doesn't exist, it's just a fantasy that Utena was trying to cling to. Upon realizing that, Utena matured and became an adult, graduating the academy. However, even though she failed at saving Anthy herself, how she acted to save her was enough to free Anthy from her past and also achieved adulthood.
Utena, Anthy, and Akio are all fascinating characters if you take the time to examine them.
I would give Utena the better cast interactions and possibly the better atmosphere. The better execution of themes, creative visual direction, and soundtrack I would give to Madoka.
>not liking shows that have literary, artistic, and cinematographic depth
But really, everyone is free to like what they like. I'll still call you a faggot for not liking what I like, though.
Anthy is one of the most interesting characters ever portrayed in anime.
But she did save Anthy, just not in the romanticized way the beginning of the show sells, because that's just reality. There are no such things as princes ready to save defenseless princesses, just as there are no teenage girls who won't go through sexual awakening, no matter how much they want to pretend they are a fairy-tale prince.
From the beginning anyway, Utena was never the prince she was pretending to be, as it was just something she was holding on from her childhood, a memory she couldn't even recall properly.
What sort of themes would you say Madoka conveys that exceed Utena's supreme coming of age story?
Also, the only thing I would call especially more interesting in terms of directing for Madoka would be the Inu Curry segments.
>If Utena was suppose to be an indomitable female spirit why was she easily seduced by Cadillac Onii-san?
Because she wasn't?
She was 13yo, pretty much a child. Though she had a strong mind, she was still rather immature and inexperienced, especially when she confused the whole prince deal, and ended up making up many mistakes as a result.
You don't understand shit. Utena was caught between 2 social scripts, attempting to be the prince to Anthy and the princess to Akio. She couldn't 'save' Anthy because the ideal of a prince is an inherently flawed concept that places girls as damsels in distress while the series encourages saving yourself and actually understanding the problems of others. As Utena understands that Anthy was a flawed human being, one who has endured suffering to the extent she couldn't possibly imagine, she attempts to help her take the first step out of her cycle of self-loathing on a selfless level and not for her own ego. Utena helps her take the first step but it is Anthy who makes the choice to leave the academy, to come out of her coffin and face the real world. Utena left the academy because she had matured after abandoning these scripts that bind her and chose to forge her own identity with her own morals.
As much as I love Madoka, I'd say Utena beats Madoka in all of those aspects.
That explanation does give the ending more meaning than the nihilistic impression I got when I first saw it. I guess I was too focused on seeing it as gender issues that I ignored adolescent idealism as the theme stressed.
I'd say Utena is better than Madoka in terms of everything here. I cannot bring myself to like Madoka, the characters don't seem well fleshed out to me, it seems to rely on shocking twists and the direction is obnoxious.
Just popping in to say that
I had never watched anything Madoka or related to it anywhere
but once I heard a short clip from a PV I could tell it was Kajiura
like holy fuck, I thought the stuff about her music sounding the same everywhere was just a joke but holy shit, it literally is
Fine then, be that way. I don't even care that you're missing out on one of the best and most important anime in anime history.
Friendly reminder that Utena is one of a kind and you'll never see anything like it ever again, not in anime or any other kind of media.
>mfw I realized that the World Revolution and the Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse were referring to Utena growing up
As I'm sure there is bias on my part, the theme of how Homura copes with the demands and lack of empathy from the universe and how that reflects ideas of existentialism and the absurd. I'm not a huge philosophy buff, but those kinds of ideas really intrigue me.
Also had badly rushed is the movie?
This is fair, it's hard to compare the two in that aspect, since Utena doesn't really deal with the absurd at all. It just depends on what interests you on that level.
The film is excellent, though it's far more abstract than the series.
Seems like some of the PVs used audio other than the OP and ED, but I'm not sure if its Kajiura. Either way it isn't one of the soundtracks that stood out in the series, if it was even in the series.
It wasn't better than Madoka. The ending of Utena was more satisfying than Madoka (at least where it is now. Also the scenes just before the very end, Homura killing Homura, those were very good), but everything else with Madoka is better.
Both are interesting and have nice ideas going for them, but Utena drags itself out and many times doesn't seem to know what to do next or what kind of show it wants to be. Also it is very nonsensical just to be sensational, the nonsense aspect of Utena does little to nothing for the substance of the story.
Madoka on the other hand doesn't waste itself, but as of now, it also doesn't know how to end itself unlike Utena.
Both are very nice.