People like to say that manga is better than western comics because

>>119102352
Sometimes it's the same person, sometimes it's not. It's more prevalent in LNs, but it happens in manga too.

What some western comics lack is a consistency of a creative team. Pretty much just cape comics have the problem of the writer, the artist, or both being taken off the book at any time. This dilutes any long term creative visions. Corporate meddling can also interrupt the flow of the story, such as the current Deadpool run. Comics with a consistent team, like most Image comics, or comics written and drawn by the same person, such as Bone, tend to be of a better overall quality.

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>>119103056
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>>119102352
The issue is more that a manga series tends to stay in the hands of a single person for the duration of its run while western cape comics tend to change writers, constantly reboot, etc.

>>119103272
This is a huge misconception

Unless the artist or writer are badly received ongoing series won't see changes in staff for years.

A big problem western comics do have though are house styles (that pretty much kill improvement in favour of similarity) and some individuals being kept on pretty much indefinitely because of who they know and seniority.

>>119103428
>Unless the artist or writer are badly received ongoing series won't see changes in staff for years.

Not necessarily. It depends on how long the team want to stay on the book. People jizzed their pants over Warren Ellis and Declan Shalvey's Moon Knight, but they only stayed on the book for six issues.

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>But doesn't it seem like the best manga artists are the ones that don't write?
No, not really. I'd say many of the best write their own stories. Daisuke Igarashi, Taiyou Matsumoto, Aki Irie, etc. Obata and Murata are good, but I don't think they're the best.

The Death Note guy isn't a shit artist, despite the fact that I kind of hate a lot of his design habits, but he's nowhere near "one of the best" either

>>119102352
Ever heard of Kentaro Miura?

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>>119102352
i think people get turned off by capeshit comics that dont stay in the hands of only one person or group.

>all western comics are capeshit

>>119105026
>all manga are shonen

>>119105026
A lot are, though.

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>>119105026
i miss them

>>119105217
>A lot are, though.

>>119105217
A lot of American comics are. The West is more than America.

>>119103197
i have always wanted to get in to hellboy where is a good place to start?

>>119106522
Volume 1 Seeds of Destruction. Probably the weakest part of the series. It gets a lot better. Though if you don't like episodic short stories the next couple of volumes won't be your scene either.

>>119102352
Western comics as an industry is inferior by default due to the limited market consumer groups.

Can you imagine Marvel, DC, or Darkhorse being able to release a serial about cooking, american football, becoming an astronaut, formula racing, or rising through the corporate ranks?

Let's face it, western comics = japanese anime. You can list all the western indie/alternative comics in existence, but we all know only one genre thrive.

>>119108146
>Can you imagine Marvel, DC, or Darkhorse being able to release a serial about cooking, american football, becoming an astronaut, formula racing, or rising through the corporate ranks?
Hell, I remember a manga series about a daily life of a dentist. Western comics don't really have that kind of variety, do they?

>>119108146
>>119108520
It depends on where you go to read comics. The direct market (i.e. a comic book shop) isn't going to have much in the way of genre diversity, at least not in the breadth and quantity you're talking about. But if you factor webcomics and OGNs from publishers like Scholastic and First Second into the equation, the diversity of content increases dramatically.

>>119108575
>oh my god johnny we fucking told you not to stand on top of the wave but NOOOOO you have to be all special and shit

>>119102352
Western comics would avoid it if they could, but it's easier to get the crappy artists who can shit out comics at light speed than paying the guys who have stuff worth of being framed.

>>119105001
I think that's less an art thing and more a story thing.

>>119103056
I actually think the Deadpool run is the best at keeping things flowing well even during the company-wide events, notably by putting elements that won't be used until much later.

>>119103197
Was that art done by ONE?

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>>119102352
I think they tend to be better artists because it's all they do, but that doesn't mean someone that does both story and art can't be a good artist.
I mean shit, the majority of mangaka you look at when it comes to great art do both jobs.

>>119117765
>I mean shit, the majority of mangaka you look at when it comes to great art do both jobs.
Makes sense, really. They get control over what they want to draw by having control over the writing. Not sure I've ever seen a writer who went into art and was good at it, it's always the other way around.

>>119106522
http://i.imgur.com/10Ypw.jpg

>>119122464
You do know this is an imageboard right?

>>119102352
>People like to say that manga is better than western comics because art and writing duties aren't divvied up between two people.

Literally no one says that.

On average, I agree with your assessment that on average manga with writers partnered with artists are better on average, on average.

Manga is better because the whole Japanese manga industry is closer to how indie comics work in the west: series and stories are not taken from their creators, but instead authors come up with new stuff (even if derivative) that they nurture by themselves. This has been mentioned already, but bears repeating.

Because a series is more creator-centric, that also means they tend to be finite. A story that ends, not a long-suffering soap opera universe.

>>119108146
>formula racing, or rising through the corporate ranks
Tell me the names of those mangas anon.

>>119122952
Why do cape comics still exist, anyway? Why are writers so afraid to just let Batman die?

>>119123156
Because it prints money. Are you mentally challenged?

>>119123223
Why can't they do something new?

>>119123277

Because Batman prints money.

>>119123277
Object A is guaranteed to make money. It's been making money for years and that trend isn't changing. It's also cheaper to produce because most characters, setting and overall plot has already been created.
Object B is completely new, it may do well but it'll most likely fail. It's expensive to write because everything's from scratch.

Welcome to the video game industry.

>>119123277
Can you not think by yourself?

>>119123363
>Welcome to every industry.

Fixed for you.

>>119123277
They can, but there's literally 0 need when Batman is a billion dollar franchise.

>>119123277

Do you want money? Or no money?

>>119123277
Because fellas like Batman print money while a new IP might actually lose them money, better stick with what you know works.

>>119123277
Why bother with something new when idiots will give you money to keep doing the same thing over and over and over?

>>119123977
Applies to anime and manga too.

>>119124840
This. How many permutations of Gundam, Dragon Ball, Evangelion, the Fate series, etc do we have to get before people realize that the shilling takes place on both sides of the ocean?

>>119125845
If I can play the Devil's advocate, only Dragon Ball has actually had a reboot (Kai), while Batman, Superman etc. have been rebooted too many times to count.

>>119127497
Did anyone pick up the new chapters yet?

>>119125845
>>119124840
Im sure batman alone has more different series then all thse combined. And there is still a ton more variety in anime/manga. Not saying it desn't happen. Just far less.

>>119127834
I translated the first one and posted it but noone did the rest

>>119127607
It wasn't even a reboot as much as a remaster. It's not there are any changes to the plot outside of filler being removed.

It's not like comics where sometimes the Flash just runs fast and others he's literally fast itself.

>But doesn't it seem like the best manga artists are the ones that don't write?

No. Not while Hirohiko Araki is still writing.

>>119123277
That applies to the japanese industry too. A lot of folks milking a formula with a slight different twist, one note hacks, people abusing character archetypes, lazy designers cloning characters. There's tons of generic shit to every decent anime/manga.

>>119124840
Anime seems to be affected by it more than manga. A lot of anime are adaptations of already existing properties and of the few anime original series many model themselves after a game winning formula, such high school slice of lifes.

>>119130526
But at least there's something that's slightly different about it.

>>119108575
>mangafox