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There are two boats, 300 people on one, 200 on the other.

Both boats are sinking and the one holding 200 people are forcing you to fix their boat before the other, what should you do?

Well the answer is easy!
Just kill all 200 to get back to saving the 300!
So long fuckers!
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>>119095476
Kerry a shit.
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>>119095502
Shirou is even worse
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>>119095502
>>119095520
They're both shit
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>>119095476
Kerry should just have run away with Illya and dropped everything else.
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>>119095639
Didn't he mention that in one of earlier episodes?
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>>119095520
At least Shirou solved problems himself instead of "muh grail"
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>>119095476
Exactly.

Kill 200 to save 300.

Theres a net positive there.
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>>119095639
He did.

In Prisma Illya.
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>>119095691
That's unfair though, Kerry didn't know the grail was evil until the grail told him. Shirou wanted to use the grail until he found it was evil too.
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>wasting time killing the 200 instead of letting drown while saving the 300

literal retard
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>>119095755
Shirou was never interested in the grail. The whole reason he entered the war was so no one could use it after Kotomine told him it was what cause the fire.
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Quiz thread ?
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>>119095735
And that turned out fucking great. His only mistakes in that timeline was to unwittingly seal away Kuro for ten years and adopt some ginger kid that the series would be better off without.
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>>119095841
C.
If he was white D would have called out already.
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>>119095841
A, there's a mirror on the wall.
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Fix both.

I don't care if you say it's impossible, I'll do it.
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>>119095907
Only if he knows someone's behind him. None of the information in the problem implies he could know that.
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>>119095907
gonna go with this
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How about fixing the bigger boat and tell everyone to get on there
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>>119096011
What if the boats are of equal size?
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>>119095841
The best chance is D knowing it has a a 50/50 outcome.
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>>119095735
Didn't he and Iris just annihilate the Einzbern family instead of simply legging it?
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>>119095476
Get the 200 on the fucking lifeboats that are obliged to have in ships this size and the rest that can't get in the lifeboats are transported to the other boat by rope bridges.
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>>119096011
Then fix the current one and get 100 more people to get on this one, and possibly more if you just take light people like kids, and possibly everyone if you just dump all the unnecessary shit off the boat, it's only another 200 persons worth of weight
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>>119096136
It's one nigger, do you even lift?
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Switch doors
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>>119095998
we can't assume the executioner didn't read the problem to them?
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>>119096158
Yup he and her killed every single one of them somehow. But what I don't understand is why that faggot Shirou is in the series yet Tohsoka Sakura isn't. By logic there should be no fire, Shirou should be with his real family and without a grail to fight over Tokiomi wouldn't be giving away Sakura to doctor worm rape thus she'd be allowed to say with her sister and have sexy black hair. Such shoddy writing.
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>>119096363
If he read the problem C would only know there were four of them, he wouldn't know whether the fourth was behind him or on the other side of the wall.
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>>119095998
it's a common induction puzzle and that's the answer for it.
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>>119095639
UBW Shirou is basically a perfected version of Kerry.
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Why is utilitarianism such a shit-tier philosophy?
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>>119096547
Obviously that particular version of the problem is poorly done, the problem should include an indication that they know the relative location of the other people.
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>>119095476
Well if the boat with 200 people on it are forcing you, that means you are already on it, correct?
To get to the boat with 300 people on it, it will take time. What if both boats sink by the time you get to the boat with more people?
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>>119096402
It feels like an editorial mandate. Shirou doesn't really add much to the series by being adopted into the same family again, and he goes ignored for the most part, but he's there just the same. As for Sakura's status, she may be studying overseas just like Rin for all I know. Or maybe she's with the Matou anyway – I'm not sure if she'd been given up for adoption by the point the timelines diverge.
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>>119096734
Sakura is there at the same school. As far as we know, Rin and Sakura aren't related in Prisma. Sakura is with Matou.
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>>119095476
Why was he captured by the 200 in the first place if he was strong enough to kill them all?
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Why are they asking me? i have no fucking idea how boats work.
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>>119096776
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>>119096630
Probably because it's simpleminded and boring. A subjectivistic worldview and value system is the only fun and sensible way to live.
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>>119095476
Sink both boats.
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>>119096776
Obviously pull the lever because 5 > 1.
That's all information given to us.
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>>119095841

D has the best shot as he has the abillity to deduct a pattern of white black white black.
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>>119096630
But it isn't.
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>>119095476
why not just abandon both ? fuck em
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>>119096847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86PUB4u2s2A#t=27
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>>119096890
So you are a murderer. You are directly responsible for that individuals death. The correct answer is to do nothing unless if you are a sociopath and enjoy killing people.
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>>119095841
Consider the problem of the two famous Carpathian army generals, Prince Vlad and Prince Nicolae, who must simultaneously attack the Ruthenian army on two different flanks to have any chance of success. If either attacks alone, then the Ruthenian forces will defeat them easily, so it is highly important for the princes to coordinate their strike. But on the day of the attack, the two princes have positioned their armies on different hills, miles apart. They can only communicate by sending messengers, who take half an hour to cross the difficult and perilous terrain between the hills, which the princes suspect has been penetrated by Ruthenian advance scouts.

In the morning, Vlad, the senior of the two, sends a messenger to Nicolae with the instruction to attack at noon, and a request to send an acknowledgement. Since he cannot be sure that the messenger will get there, his message makes clear that the attack will only go ahead if the acknowledgement is received. Luckily, his messenger completes the journey and delivers the message to Nicolae. Nicolae sends him back with a message of acknowledgement, but also a request to acknowledge his acknowledgement, since he cannot be sure that Vlad knows he received the original message unless his acknowledgement is also acknowledged...

How many messengers sending acknowledgements are required for both generals to be logically 100% sure that both sides will in fact attack at noon?
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>>119095476
What if your family is included among the 200 people?
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>>119095841
C, he knows there are two white and two black, and he sees two white.
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>>119097061

C can only see B.
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>>119096980
I'd rather see only one person die in front of me than seeing 5 dying in front of me while regretting that I could have done something.

Also, there is no complete correct answer to this. This is a commonly known dilemma everybody gotta answer for himself. You might as well be a "murderer" because you didn't do anything. "Not my fault" doesn't apply here because you know you could have saved them.
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>>119097009
You use the bitcoin protocol to send a message through the blockchain.#solved
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>>119096402
>Yup he and her killed every single one of them somehow.
There weren't that many of them anyway, right? Not true Einzberns anyway, just a bunch of homunculi. Because they specialized in alchemy, they were always considered to be among the weaker magi in terms of individual combat ability.
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>>119095841
Why don't the just look up to see the brim of the hat?
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>>119095998
He'll hear the guy breathing of course.
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>>119095841
C would call it out. He knows that B is white and and hes black because if he was white, D would call out and says hes black.
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>>119097086
c will go by this logic

he sees b wearing a white hat.

if the person behind him sees that he (c) is also wearing a white hat, the person behind hi, would have shouted black already. Since d will see two white hats already.

so c will conclude that d is not responding so that means that he (c) is wearing a black hat.
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>>119097009
Nicolae's request is stupid, he should start the attack half an hour after sending his acknowlegdment
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>>119096776
If they're all strangers I'll kill the one. If the one person is my wife, brother, etc and the others are strangers I'll do nothing. I would have a dilemma if it was headed towards my loved one and I had to move it to kill five people though.
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>>119097010
You can't let emotions get in the way of a life-and-death situation.
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>>119097341
Says who?
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Philosophical problems are morally wrong because they waste valuable human intellectual effort, which is a finite and scarce quantity, and worse, cause a person, especially under the age of ~25-27, neuropathways to adapt towards worrying about meaningless philosophical problems, instead of using said energy towards solving actual problems and human suffering.
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>>119095841
C
Because it's an adaptation by SHAFT.
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>>119097009
There is no logical answer, since it would just continue until way past noon delivering acknowledgements. After the first 3 they probably got the message to attack at noon,
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2 people are about to kill you. You see Kiritsugu and yell at him to save you.

So, what would he do?
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>>119097389
>Philosophical problems are morally wrong because they waste valuable human intellectual effort
That means that /a/ is worse than like ten Hitlers given how much stupid shit we waste our time on here
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>>119095476
I would fix them both, even if it kills me
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>>119097341
Except if blind idealism compels you to try and save everyone.
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>>119095476
What happens if the boat carrying 200 people comprised of doctors, nurses and various other medical professionals, while the boat carrying 300 people composed of criminals who are rapists, murderers and child molesters? Surely you don't believe quantity is the sole determinate factor of who gets to live. This is why Kerry's beliefs are terrible. He believes saving the most lives matter more than the quality of the lives he's judging.
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>>119097373
You're free to think otherwise, but in any kind of emergency, keeping your cool and remaining in control is something taught in every survival class.
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>>119097442

Would those people kill more people after you?

This is important.
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>>119096402
>Tokiomi wouldn't be giving away Sakura to doctor worm rape
This had nothing to do with the grail, Tokiomi would had given Sakura away anyway, he had two mage daughters and only one crest, meanwhile his neighbor had a crest but no mage. The real question is why on earth are the Matous living in Fuyuki.
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>>119097442
Nothing. Killing two people to save one is just ridiculous.
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Obviously, but you can keep your cool at the same time as you decide to put your family above others.
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>>119097484
You can't predict that so you just have to work with what you have. Even serial killers might just stop with it.
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>>119097404
Ah, now that's something that makes sense.
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>>119097494
>this is what Kerry actually believes
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>>119097086

a can't see shit
b can't see shit
c can see b's hat
d can see b and c's hat.

from d's perspective he'll either see
two black
two white
or mixed

if two black or two white, d would have already figured out the color of his hat and shouted the correct answer. since he hasn't answered then b and c have different colored hats.

because c see's b having a white colored hat he will correctly conclude that he is wearing a black hat since d has not given an answer.
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>>119097481
>saving people who I don't know

Are you dumb?

Between saving my waifu and saving 1 billion people on earth, I'd save my waifu.
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>>119097505
meant to quote >>119097481
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>>119097472
Well the problem presumes that you're not given that information or don't have time to gather it.
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>>119097442
I would tell him that they're after two of my friends as well.
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>>119097341
Fuck that, I'm saving my family. If that means 300 die instead of 200, that's too bad but something I'll have to live with.
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>>119095781
What part of "forcing" don't you understand?
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>>119096776
Don't touch the lever, you'll get negligent homicide at worst.

Pulling the lever would be a conscious act of murder
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>>119097589
You can just ask some guy on one of the boats. It should take a minute to clear it up if both of you act calm.
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/a/. In youth you must have wanted to become a hero. You desired it more than anything else.

Am I wrong?
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500 people and I'm the only one who can fix a boat? No lifeboats either? Why were two boats sailing that close together anyways? Wouldn't it be better to put 500 on a bigger boat?
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>>119095476
>Utiliariannism
top kek
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>>119097442
In this situation, I would imagine Kiritsugu would take down your attackers without killing them.

taiga said kiritsugu tried to do his best for people in the time she knew him.
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>>119097720
No, I wanted to be the very best. Like no one ever was.
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>>119097225
Which begs the question of exactly where Sella and Leysritt came from.

In the original timeline they were created by Illya and were only two years old.

Obviously that would be impossible in Prisma Illya.

If they were created by Acht in Prisma Illya and were part of the regular Einzbern maid force how the hell did they escape Kiritsugu's slaughter? You'd figure Kiritsugu would have to fight through the homunculi before he got to the real Einzberns (... was Acht the only remaining non-homunculus?) Were they Iri's maids in this continuity and sided with her in the ensuing conflict against the rest of the Einzberns?
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>>119097720
I don't recognize this character. who is she?
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>>119095841
This is actually impossible with only the granted information. They need to know their pattern or how many people are behind them, which isn't granted.
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I get the people to stop splitting up into boats that keep breaking
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>>119097720
Dead wrong. I was one of the edgy kids who admired the villains more than the heroes.
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>>119097834
It is a mystery
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>>119097788
>taiga said kiritsugu tried to do his best for people in the time she knew him.

This was also after he dropped his ideals. At that point he was just trying to help people when he could, there was no idealistic backing behind it.
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>>119097815
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>>119097492
They lived there for a while
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>>119097962
It's ilya from the future
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>>119095676
"Kotomine Kirei is after me."
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>>119097833
The timeline of Prisma Illya is very inconsistent with the FSN one. For one, Illya is just 10 despite being older than Shirou in FSN. As for Sella and Leysritt, if you really need an explanation, just say that the two were created by Iris with the same templates Illya used in FSN.
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>>119097492
Why didn't Tokiomi wear a condom?
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>>119097962
Is the UTW font standard for anything Type-Moon now?
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Just save the one with more qts.
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>>119098057
It's almost like UTW is the only sub group that named themselves after something from Type-Moon.
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>>119097389
According to the philosophical docrines of Nihilism, philosophy can't truly be morally wrong at all! How convenient!
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>>119097962
Liz or another homoculus that looks like her.
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>>119098057
>now
>is Unlimited Translation Works, a fansub group that came about specifically for Type-Moon, tandard
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>>119098140
She doesn't sound like Liz
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>>119098116
It seems wrong if that font isn't being used when watching anything Type-Moon. It might just be the font I like.
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>>119098012
Can't be, Illya in the main timeline can't grow breasts.
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>>119098043
Hes too old fashioned for condoms.
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>>119097472
This. If Kerry was tasked with the decision of sparing Africa or Europe, he would probably select Africa based solely on population. However, everyone knows Europe contributes far more to the world in terms of technological development, scientific research, charities and medical breakthroughs.

Meanwhile, Africa commonly suffers from overpopulation, severe wars, harsh famines and extreme poverty, issues rarely seen in Europe. You would have to be blind to spare Africa over Europe, but Kerry’s irrational morality forces him to choose the unworthy continent over the more valuable one.

If Kerry desires to play God, he should know that not all lives are equal in value and some are more worthy of saving than others.
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>>119097892
Who is this mysterious heroine?
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>>119098057
You watched Fate/Zero and now associate it with it.
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>>119098116
Don't be ridiculous. Commie named themselves after the Red Man.
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>>119098043
Why would he? He didn't lose anything from giving up Sakura.
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The worst thing that TM have ever done is confirm that Shiki survives Akiha's true ending. I'm quoting from the wiki here, but if you don't believe me then read it yourself.

'In "A Story for the Evening", a 'sequel' scenario to Akiha's True Ending from Kagetsu Tohya, at the end of the scenario Akiha receives a letter from Ciel that reveals that Shiki did infact survive.'

The ending was ambiguous and romantic and beautiful and Nasu took that beauty and raped it.
I don't even fucking understand how he could have survived, and it doesn't even tell you the details.
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Does anyone else get sad whenever they mention Kerry in the UBW anime? It was so hard watching that scene with Taiga visiting his grave.
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So why the FUCK does Irisviel have working reproductive organs anyways? Never in a million years would Acht have thought of her getting married to the magus killer they hired and popping out a kid.

Even if Acht wanted to whore her out for various reasons he could've just installed a fleshlight in her and called it a day rather than going through the whole trouble of giving her a working womb.
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>>119097720
not only in the youth, since i was born and even right now
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>>119098339
>not wanting Akiha to be with her nii-san
Terrible.
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>>119098231
Kerry probably would choose Africa, given his overly simplistic and childish mindset.

Archer's more forward-thinking though. He understands the value of human advancement, whereas Kerry's ideals are even more flawed than the Harweys'.
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>>119098339
No, the worst thing TM has ever done is have Akiha survive Kohaku True.

Ruined the entire route. It was a much bigger asspull than Shirou surviving HF True yet people complain about that one way more. What makes it even worse is how Hisui True/Good are pretty melancholic and bittersweet, so Kohaku True just looks so fucking fake in comparison.
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>>119098402
She was considered a failure and was left to die. Kerry saved her. They fell in love. Acht felt generous and gave her a womb.
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>>119098402
Part of the point of Kerry was to make a stronger heir for the Einzbern's. Also, it was accomplished not with ordinary reproductive organs but with magic.
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>>119098339
Nasu couldn't stand such a sad ending with no happy counterpart so he changed it. Thanks Nasu.
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Do people in real life think in ideals? I can't really tell. Or, better yet, do they *act* on ideals? Politicians, military generals/etc don't count.
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Why don't the Einzberns just ship a dozen homunculi operators to Fuyuki when the Grailbowl is about to go down?
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>>119098402
Drama CD has her explain that she is a complete homunculus, ergo she has a womb like any normal person.
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>>119098579
I do.

For example I value the ideal of purity and would never have sex with a degenerate woman.
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>>119098611
Because having more than 1 host for the grail makes it weaker.
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>>119098579
Some people have principles that they try to abide by, yes. Only deluded people are as inflexible about it as Kerry, though.
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>>119098402
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>>119098651
Then don't use them as hosts, just use them as combat support.
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>>119098579
I just think what is the ideal way to do something, and try my best to do that way. Of course nothing will come close to that, but just trying is worth a shot
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>>119098725
Acht isn't the most intelligent fellow
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>>119095520
Shirou learned to live with an amoral but justifiable self righteousness over an impossible ideal.
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>>119097472
get out of here joker
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>>119097009
Isn't this the 3-Way-Handshake?
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>>119098579
I think most people wouldn't consciously think about "ideals" when making choices the way fictional characters do, or spend time thinking about ideals in and of themselves. But most people still have principles of some sort.
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>>119095476
Sink both boats.
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>>119098611
Too high-profile or something? Who knows.
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>>119098826
see >>119098651, Do you not understand how the whole Host system works?
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>>119098876
I mean using them as fighters. Same reason the other Masters generally don't bring an army with them.
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>>119098876
Then why not just make 7 homunculi to all fight in the grail war?
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>>119098611
It just gives everyone else a reason to target them specifically.
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>>119095520
I don't understand something, if Archer was giving that whole speech of not living by an ideal of justice which goes against what Kerry viewed,
why did he let Caster live with her absorbing the mana of so many people.
It seems hypocritical
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>>119095502
Thats my fucking husbando you're talking about there
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>>119098981
Your husbando is shit
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>>119099000
YOU'RE SHIT!
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>>119098919
Well a certain Master used Nazi support in the 3rd war. It didn't work well
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>>119098611
They may be the best family, but they are not the brightest family.
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>>119098774
>we need a Master for the 5th grail war
>lets send in the lesser grail herself
>surely we'll be able to win the grail war after she keels over and turns into the grail at the final stages of the war
>fucking genius
Am I misunderstanding this or is Acht actually this retarded? Who was going to regain the Third Magic after Illya dies?
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If God exists, why does anyone need the Root?

Exodus 20:5
>Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me

Glorifying anything that's not God is a sin.
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>>119098951
>why did he let Caster live with her absorbing the mana of so many people.
She wasn't killing anyone by doing so.
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>>119099053
>If God exists, why does anyone need the Root?

Because God literally does not give a shit about anybody else other than itself because it is complete by itself.

>>119099040
He must be senile.
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>>119099040
>Am I misunderstanding this or is Acht actually this retarded? Who was going to regain the Third Magic after Illya dies?

Sella. That's what the maids were there for.

According to CM3, Ilya was expected to stop functioning as a person after the 4th or 5th Servant croaked and the maids would handle shit from there on out.
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>>119099053
Because IF the God of Abraham exists in the Nasuverse, and we don't know that for sure (though it is likely), then he is not the god that created the world, and thus is a pretender and a usurper.

The ACTUAL creator god in the Nasuverse doesn't give a shit about his creation, because he is perfect and thus has no desires. He's like Azathoth, just less destructive.
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>>119097688
Im truly curious. Can someone get sent to prison for pulling the lever?
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>>119099193
Most likely, but i don't think any court would convict you for it. Unless foul play of course
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>>119096776
I throw myself in front of the train while yelling "SEIBAH!"

My body is torn to shreds and my insides spill across the track.

My slippery entrails cause the trolley to derail and careen off to the side, saving all six people.

I wake up perfectly fine the next day to Saber's incessant callings of "SHIROU!"

Tohsaka comments how nobody should've been able to survive that.
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>>119099040
Sella/Liz are there for Ilya in the 5th war
Kiritsugu for Irisviel in the 4th war
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>>119096776
I leave and murder whoever tied these people down to train tracks
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>>119099387
Liz is the Dress of Heaven, she isn't really going to be around once Ilya is no longer capable of functioning as a human.
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>>119097720
I WANT TO BE KAMEN RIDER!
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>>119099441
I thought so, couldn't remember which one ended up as the dress so I just put both
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>>119099474
If it helps, Liz is the dumb one because she's the Dress.
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>>119099441
>>119099387
>>119099040
Wait, was the plan for Liz to become the dress of heaven and Sella to wear it?

Because Illya becoming the grail would sort of prevent her from doing it. It was only because of a set of highly unlikely coincidences involving another fucking grail in HF that she was able to do so.
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>>119098231
>>119098449
See, this is why I don't advocate utilitarianism. The inevitable result is that any person following such views will end up being a racist.
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>>119097720
I still want and will become an hero.
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>>119095502
That's the whole point. It's to carry his ideal and actually make it realistic with the Ginger kid.
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>>119098061
This the only right answer.
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Fuck you, these puzzles will never, ever happen in real life

Fuck you Layton
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>>119099549
Ilya wears it, because even though by that point she can no longer function as a human being her soul is still in control of manifesting the Grail.
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>>119099690
see >>119097730
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>>119098693
100/10
Iri is perfection.
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>>119098693
If Fate is truly popular again someone would finally get around to translating the second Drama CD.
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>>119098693
Based Butcher.
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>>119100032
Bandai Entertainment was the shit. If they were still around and had gotten fate they would've dubbed the drama cds. I still have my LE Geass boxes with the drama cds dubbed. Shit's based.
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>>119096959
that was pretty damn funny.
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>>119100436
Weren't they the guys who dubbed Code Geass and everything in it?

I wish we had someone like that for Type-Moon.
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>>119098537
>Nasu couldn't stand such a sad ending with no happy counterpart so he changed it. Thanks Nasu.

what if Kouki wrote a type-moon?
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>>119097962
The Einzebern have hundreds of Homunculus that look about the same and wear the same costume. The ones Ilya left to the grail war with aren't anything special, aside from having battle capability to stand up to weak servants.

When Iriesviel went to the grail war, she took about ten sameish looking Homuncules as helpers.

The lesser models don't show as much personality generally, but it's still there. All the Einzebern does all day is sit around making fake people to do everything for him all day.
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>>119098339
>. I'm quoting from the wiki here, but if you don't believe me then read it yourself.
>"I haven't read Kagetsu and none of you have either because you're just as secondary as me, but this is something I just read and am offended. How could this happen in this story that I didn't even read properly, and it was shown that Shiki was still alive in that ending when Akiha picked up the knife rather than it being a retcon at all, not that I'll ever acknowledge this because I wanted to see it in a different way when i read it and that different way has to be 100% right".
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>>119101665
>The ones Ilya left to the grail war with aren't anything special
That's extremely untrue.

Liz was a substandard potential Grail vessel who got repurposed into the Dress of Heaven. She's also a halfway decent combatant.

Sella's a normal Einzbern homunculus, though. Albeit an extremely efficient one.
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>>119097720
I wanted to, but then I realized that individual standout heroes probably aren't the way to go about it.

Don't get me wrong, they're great but in the long run what would really make a difference is everyone acting in tandem to make the world a better place.
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>>119099082
Didn't she kill a few buildingfuls of people before figuring out the optimal drain rate? And the latest episode said she was draining souls rather than mana from nonmages.

>>119099343
I chuckled.
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>>119101984
>And the latest episode said she was draining souls rather than mana from nonmages.
Nonmages don't HAVE magical energy beyond their lifeforce, Od. And if memory serves, that's kinda sorta the same thing as your soul.

And I don't think she killed them, just drained them into a coma.
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